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Post by preeths » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:56 pm

As to a CBL/WBA merger, the two leagues were walking down that road prior to last season, I'm told, when the WBA pulled out of the deal. Depending upon whom you believe, the WBA then tried to steal or allowed the Birmingham CBL team to join its league at the last minute, a move that blew up in the WBA's face when the Birmingham owner proved unable to put a team on the court. The WBA has had years to correct its mistakes. I'm anxious to see what the CBL can do.

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Post by The Magician » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:17 pm

[quote=""Love Pro Hoops""]Does anyone of the leagues develop players and move them up???[/quote]

Any minor league out there can say that they are currently developing players and list on their website that, this player or that player, has gone on to play in the NBA, NBDL or Internationally … but very few leagues have an accurate historical database of players that have entered and exited the league and who have cont. to monitor those players beyond their time with those individual teams/league affiliations.

The WBA has a WBA Alum page http://www.wbaball.net/wba_alum.php
... and state on their website that over 300 former WBA players are playing professionally worldwide.

The CBL does not appear to be tracking players at this time?
http://www.cblhoopsonline.com/

The only minor league that has an comprehensive history is the CBA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continenta ... ssociation

And you could even go to a team’s website, find a seasonal roster, and then look to USBASKET http://www.usbasket.com/ and track players careers …

But the real question, IMO, is you really need to take a hard look at what the reality of what current player ‘development' and ’exposure’ is, in today’s sports world.

Where are the majority of AMERICAN basketball players today? I’d say, playing street basketball, playing on amateur/recreational city league teams, or playing in one of various minor league organizations around the country.

Where is the minority of players trading their skills? There are playing in College, the NBDL, the NBA and Internationally.

And why is that? I’ll use just one example.

It’s a #’s game. There’s a huge pool of basketball players out there, but the DEMAND is for only a few players, who are the most talented. And the way that these players make it to the highest levels of competition (NBA & FIBA) are through the normal channels (AAU, Being a High School Phenom, College, NBDL)

So what happens to all the rest of those players out there in the pool, who have 'potential' but need the development and exposure to make it to the next level?

We hope, that there is a (semi-pro/amateur) minor league sports system in place, created for that very purpose. Right now, the system, as a whole, is very underachieving of that purpose.

You have to go deeper, you really have to understand what it means to have a platform to develop and expose players.

Ask some of the following questions?

What are the mission statements of these minor league b’ball leagues, independently, and for the collective good of the game? What types of executives are being hired by these leagues and what experience (leadership) do they bring? What types of individuals are being solicited and who are stepping to the forefront, to establish ownership and operate b’ball organizations? What are the ‘roots’ within those resumes, of these coaching staffs who are being hired by these owner/operators? Do they have a professional player development aptitude and a model to work from? Do they have the personal and professional contacts? What types of players are recruited to perform on and off the court, to represent your organization? And let’s not forget the communities. They are an integral part of the entire process. Can, or will, these communities support the endeavor?

I also believe the goal of ‘moving a player up’ … does not necessarily mean that a players moves up to the ‘next’ level of competition. In my opinion, an organization’s goal is help a player develop into the most complete player possible while performing at level of competition that maximizes his abilities and desires. Many players are very suited to playing internationally, or playing for a minor league organization (home town hero), without feeling unfulfilled, because they did not make it to the NBA. These players feel they are competitive, making a comfortable $ living thru basketball, supplementing their off the court income, or just playing for the fun of it, due their passion for the game.

You could have a star player, on a team, that plays in a league, where the competition is not very equal, and they make a move to another league, which has a competitively higher standard … though the player ends up not performing as well. Instead of making that move to the new league, he could of been traded, let’s say to a better performing team within the initial league, where the players and team environment were more suitable to his level of play. And then the player may have performed just as well, if not better. From there, the player could have participated in a development structure, where that player would be exposed to an increased level of opportunity to help boost that player to an even higher level of performance and even the chance to achieve promotion to that ‘next level’ … which could even lead that player back to the very same league they had been promoted to, but had difficulty performing at the level of competition required to be successful as a player in the league.

The important thing is, that every organization should make it their goal to be 100% involved, in doing everything they can to give exposure to and develop every player possible, from the starting 5, to the next 5, to the 2 players working extra-hard in practice break into the game day line-up and get some quality playing time. It’s got be --- “All-in” --- for everybody.



[quote=""Love Pro Hoops""]At this point which league is better???[/quote]

Aside from just outside observations and the recent birth of the CBL, I don’t think one can say, that one league outshines the other. Both have some work to do ...
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Post by nksports » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:18 am

To answer Magician:
We could go European. Eliminate high school ball, scholarship junior college ball and scholarship college ball from the developmental system. Make every town have a club team, put these club teams on a pyramid. Make the clubs start youth teams and youth academy teams.
The top, say 32 teams, would be the NBA Premier League. The next 32 would be the NBA Champions League. The next 32 would be the NBA (insert sponor's name here) Third Division. Then have three levels of the D-League. After the D League, have several levels of regional leagues.
It would go a long way to eliminating the rampant corruption in the college game today. High school sports would be closer to the educational tool they were meant to be.
Pay at the lower divisions would still be low, but would go up as players moved up the ladder.
The reasons why this would never happen are obvious. College coaches and administrators love the big $$$ and would fight it tooth and nail to keep the status quo.

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Post by The Magician » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:36 pm

[quote=""nksports""]To answer Magician: We could go European.[/quote]

Makes me want to put my football (soccer) boots on! :-D

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Post by Love Pro Hoops » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:19 am

[quote=""The Magician""]Any minor league out there can say that they are currently developing players and list on their website that, this player or that player, has gone on to play in the NBA, NBDL or Internationally … but very few leagues have an accurate historical database of players that have entered and exited the league and who have cont. to monitor those players beyond their time with those individual teams/league affiliations.

The WBA has a WBA Alum page http://www.wbaball.net/wba_alum.php
... and state on their website that over 300 former WBA players are playing professionally worldwide.

The CBL does not appear to be tracking players at this time?
http://www.cblhoopsonline.com/

The only minor league that has an comprehensive history is the CBA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continenta ... ssociation

And you could even go to a team’s website, find a seasonal roster, and then look to USBASKET http://www.usbasket.com/ and track players careers …

But the real question, IMO, is you really need to take a hard look at what the reality of what current player ‘development' and ’exposure’ is, in today’s sports world.

Where are the majority of AMERICAN basketball players today? I’d say, playing street basketball, playing on amateur/recreational city league teams, or playing in one of various minor league organizations around the country.

Where is the minority of players trading their skills? There are playing in College, the NBDL, the NBA and Internationally.

And why is that? I’ll use just one example.

It’s a #’s game. There’s a huge pool of basketball players out there, but the DEMAND is for only a few players, who are the most talented. And the way that these players make it to the highest levels of competition (NBA & FIBA) are through the normal channels (AAU, Being a High School Phenom, College, NBDL)

So what happens to all the rest of those players out there in the pool, who have 'potential' but need the development and exposure to make it to the next level?

We hope, that there is a (semi-pro/amateur) minor league sports system in place, created for that very purpose. Right now, the system, as a whole, is very underachieving of that purpose.

You have to go deeper, you really have to understand what it means to have a platform to develop and expose players.

Ask some of the following questions?

What are the mission statements of these minor league b’ball leagues, independently, and for the collective good of the game? What types of executives are being hired by these leagues and what experience (leadership) do they bring? What types of individuals are being solicited and who are stepping to the forefront, to establish ownership and operate b’ball organizations? What are the ‘roots’ within those resumes, of these coaching staffs who are being hired by these owner/operators? Do they have a professional player development aptitude and a model to work from? Do they have the personal and professional contacts? What types of players are recruited to perform on and off the court, to represent your organization? And let’s not forget the communities. They are an integral part of the entire process. Can, or will, these communities support the endeavor?

I also believe the goal of ‘moving a player up’ … does not necessarily mean that a players moves up to the ‘next’ level of competition. In my opinion, an organization’s goal is help a player develop into the most complete player possible while performing at level of competition that maximizes his abilities and desires. Many players are very suited to playing internationally, or playing for a minor league organization (home town hero), without feeling unfulfilled, because they did not make it to the NBA. These players feel they are competitive, making a comfortable $ living thru basketball, supplementing their off the court income, or just playing for the fun of it, due their passion for the game.

You could have a star player, on a team, that plays in a league, where the competition is not very equal, and they make a move to another league, which has a competitively higher standard … though the player ends up not performing as well. Instead of making that move to the new league, he could of been traded, let’s say to a better performing team within the initial league, where the players and team environment were more suitable to his level of play. And then the player may have performed just as well, if not better. From there, the player could have participated in a development structure, where that player would be exposed to an increased level of opportunity to help boost that player to an even higher level of performance and even the chance to achieve promotion to that ‘next level’ … which could even lead that player back to the very same league they had been promoted to, but had difficulty performing at the level of competition required to be successful as a player in the league.

The important thing is, that every organization should make it their goal to be 100% involved, in doing everything they can to give exposure to and develop every player possible, from the starting 5, to the next 5, to the 2 players working extra-hard in practice break into the game day line-up and get some quality playing time. It’s got be --- “All-in” --- for everybody.





Aside from just outside observations and the recent birth of the CBL, I don’t think one can say, that one league outshines the other. Both have some work to do ...[/quote]

Great Points

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Congrats to the 2011 Saber Girls Dance Team who were selected this past Saturday!

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Post by zeke41 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:15 am

Good stuff Magician! Good stuff Birmingham! I'm liking how teams are starting to get (and stay) pretty active. It's important!

Any word on the fee for their basketball team and dance tryouts?
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AND1 to Birmingham

Post by The Magician » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:40 pm

Continental Basketball League Announces AND1 LIVE TOUR
January 14, 2011
http://www.cblhoopsonline.com/news/170-an1livetour

Hopefully Birmingham will be one of the stops on the tour!

http://www.and1.com/

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Post by formerlyknownasfells » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:40 am

[quote=""The Magician""]Continental Basketball League Announces AND1 LIVE TOUR
January 14, 2011
http://www.cblhoopsonline.com/news/170-an1livetour

Hopefully Birmingham will be one of the stops on the tour!

http://www.and1.com/[/quote]

It will be and you had better be there!!
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