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Aifl to sue?

Post by BarbaraPatterson » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:51 pm

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/08 ... 4456.shtml

League readies lawsuit
By Steve Sanders| Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 The Augusta Spartans and the indoor football league to which they belonged in their first year of play appear headed for a legal battle, after American Indoor Football League President Andrew Haines said Monday that he's planning to file a lawsuit against the Spartans and owner Jimmy Young.

Young, who announced last month that the Spartans would play in a new league next year, said he is confident a lawsuit against him would have no merit.

"We're in the process (of filing the suit) right now, and it should be done fairly shortly," Haines said. Haines claims Young has not stuck to the terms of the AIFL's contract with the Spartans, most significantly by moving the team into a competing league. He also claims Young and the Spartans still owe the AIFL thousands of dollars.

Young claims Haines and the AIFL breached the contract on several occasions and that he has not been reimbursed for expenses he took on from the AIFL.

Young and two other former AIFL owners, Harry Pierce of the Raleigh and Rome franchises and Kevin McDonald of the Daytona Beach franchise, helped start the World Indoor Football League in July after growing tired of business in the AIFL.

Each side says the other is at fault in a slew of financial disagreements, but nothing officially can be determined until the lawsuit is filed.

"It's just not an acceptable situation," Young said. "There are no bad feelings; there's just a lack of trust there. It just wasn't a very good business relationship."

Haines sold the Spartans to Young on Feb. 22, less than two weeks before the season opener. Haines says the league has fulfilled every obligation of the contract and has "one of the strongest cases" against Young and the Spartans.

"The long and short of it is that we have a contract with Mr. Young, and he hasn't filled the financial end of it," Haines said. "He owes us a substantial amount of money, and we're not just going to walk away and let him get out of his obligation.

"I'm pretty confident he won't be able to go to another league until he settles with us. ... We feel very strongly that the courts will uphold that."

Young, McDonald and WIFL director of communications Dan Ryan said the league has retained counsel.

"No matter what Andrew Haines throws at Jimmy Young, it isn't going to stick," McDonald said. That's why we all decided to leave; we'd been through enough."

The disputes range from alleged bounced checks to the sale of the league without teams' permission.

Young said he didn't think the AIFL and Haines had a chance in winning any lawsuit.

Unrelated to the matter, Milton Simmons, the finance manager for the Augusta-Richmond County Civic Center, said the Spartans still owe more than $3,000 in settlements for the fifth and sixth home games of this past season.

"They still have not paid what they owed for those two games," he said. "It's about $1,500 for each, maybe a little more."

Reach Steve Sanders at (706) 823-3216 or [email protected].


From the Tuesday, August 29, 2006 edition of the Augusta Chronicle

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Post by preeths » Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:47 pm

You have to wonder if this does anyone any good. All of these lawsuits have been futile because in the end. Leagues sue, teams claim breach of contract, and after both have spent a lot of money, we end up right back where we started.

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What does Haines hope to gain ?

Post by dogman » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:10 pm

Does he really want the Augusta franchise back in his league, is he seeking money ? What's the deal ? I've heard some stuff about Haimnes that would make you think he was worse than the worst used car salesman you ever saw. A real sleaze bag. I wonder how much in debt he is. Doesn't even care about the nearly half million dollar judgment that was rendered against him in Pennsylvania. I wonder at what point do you lock someone up when they refuse to obey a court order !

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Post by rams80 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:41 pm

[quote=""preeths""]You have to wonder if this does anyone any good. All of these lawsuits have been futile because in the end. Leagues sue, teams claim breach of contract, and after both have spent a lot of money, we end up right back where we started.[/quote]

That's the point of the lawsuit-get the other league to spend money (hence Shiver's practices)
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Post by preeths » Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:52 pm

Yes, but the AIFL has to spend money to pursue it as well. It ends up doing no one any good.

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Post by BarbaraPatterson » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:33 pm

[quote=""preeths""]Yes, but the AIFL has to spend money to pursue it as well. It ends up doing no one any good.[/quote]
The difference is, the AIFL will file this in Ohio, using AIFL lawyers. It wont cost the AIFL that much money, however it will tie up resources.

The WIFL will be required to pay Ohio lawyers, it will cost them money, but tie up little resources.

Either way, they both lose.

Just a few questions to be answered.

1) Is this the only team being sued?
2) Why was this made public? Doesnt seem to benefit anyone by disclosing this in advance. Heck Boyd sued, and won a judgment against the AIFL and no one knew for months.
3) Who is pushing this, Haines, or the new owners?
4) Will the WIFL counter sue? If so, for what exactly?
5) How does this affect, if it does, any other lawsuits out there.


I personally agree with the suit if money is owed, but I dont see a snowballs chance in the AIFL winning if all dues are paid.
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Post by preeths » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:06 pm

I would expect the WIFL to do some filing of its own as well.

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Post by shimadajoe » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:48 pm

[quote=""BarbaraPatterson""]The difference is, the AIFL will file this in Ohio, using AIFL lawyers. It wont cost the AIFL that much money, however it will tie up resources.

The WIFL will be required to pay Ohio lawyers, it will cost them money, but tie up little resources.

Either way, they both lose.

Just a few questions to be answered.

1) Is this the only team being sued?
2) Why was this made public? Doesnt seem to benefit anyone by disclosing this in advance. Heck Boyd sued, and won a judgment against the AIFL and no one knew for months.
3) Who is pushing this, Haines, or the new owners?
4) Will the WIFL counter sue? If so, for what exactly?
5) How does this affect, if it does, any other lawsuits out there.


I personally agree with the suit if money is owed, but I dont see a snowballs chance in the AIFL winning if all dues are paid.[/quote]

1) Talking with the AIFL office...........it will more then likely be more then just them.
2) Problem with Boyds suit, it was done Pa and not Oh where the AIFL office and Ohio lawyers are located.
3) I would believe it would be all of the above.
4) Probably......but costly on WIFL.
5) The "other" lawsuit can be re-opened(notice I didn't say appealed) and drug on for up to 100 years. Also costly on that person.

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Post by yellowpages » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:21 am

[quote=""BarbaraPatterson""]The difference is, the AIFL will file this in Ohio, using AIFL lawyers. It wont cost the AIFL that much money, however it will tie up resources.

The WIFL will be required to pay Ohio lawyers, it will cost them money, but tie up little resources.[/quote]

It won't be hard for the WIFL and/or Augusta to simply get a change of Jurisdiction and force the lawsuit to be refiled in Georgia. Happens all the time.

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Post by gonzo13 » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:26 am

Was there any talk of this lawsuit when the Spartans were still in the AIFL?

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