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The IFL really is a better league than the AFL. The IFL has more teams and two of them left the AFL to join the IFL. No teams are leaving other leagues to join the AFL anymore because they know it's on life support. The AFL has plans to add a team in Washington, DC but they're about to close down the Portland franchise. So they're staying at eight teams and won't be gaining anything. Meanwhile the IFL will be adding an eleventh team in Salt Lake City next season.
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There are those who see the number of teams as a successful marker for a league, ah but wait that is not your key interest point a league can be very good at simply 6 teams, your point is however well taken on the move into the AFL on paper its operating cost is supposed to make it look as though its the big dog on the block. But its not because of the amount of lost money an owner will take on and how much does one want to lose while his ego is catered too.
Each of these league serve their purpose for who owns the teams and the market it serves, the days of a big dog in indoor arena football has come and gone sure AFL teams will still attempt to look down its nose at the indoor leagues but its not that much better if at all. If they all would ever get smart enough they would be better served to move into a pure football relationship where as they develop themselves into levels of the sport which would increase the pure numbers of the entire body related to arena/indoor football then we would possibly have something to talk about, but as boxer Sugar Ray Leonard once said sorry it will never happen well he said it then of course it did. But never is the word of the day in regards to a gathering of this sport.
Each of these league serve their purpose for who owns the teams and the market it serves, the days of a big dog in indoor arena football has come and gone sure AFL teams will still attempt to look down its nose at the indoor leagues but its not that much better if at all. If they all would ever get smart enough they would be better served to move into a pure football relationship where as they develop themselves into levels of the sport which would increase the pure numbers of the entire body related to arena/indoor football then we would possibly have something to talk about, but as boxer Sugar Ray Leonard once said sorry it will never happen well he said it then of course it did. But never is the word of the day in regards to a gathering of this sport.
It seems the IFL management vets potential ownership groups and makes sure they have the wherewithal to succeed. Slow but sure, seems to be the approach and if you can't cut the mustard they kick you out, ala the team from Minnesota in early 2016. For 2017 expect to see a new Salt Lake City team with an interesting, to say the least, approach to team management as well as a team in North Dakota. Farm those small markets. Is it any wonder why 3 former AFL teams (Crush, Barnstormers and Shock) have fled the dying AFL?
The Crush didn't leave the AFL. They were already in the IFL under a different name.
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In my opinion ... The IFL has done a much better job of recognizing what the existing market for Inside Football is and then responding to it. Because of this, the league manages to play a fairly high quality and reasonably entertaining game. And it does this while keeping the team and league expenses at a manageable level.
Arena 1.0 got itself into trouble because too many of it's owners believed they could work their Association into a position that was just one step below the CFL. And they spent money like crazy, chasing this goal.
Arena 2.0 has made a somewhat similar mistake. Although this version of the AFL is not attempting to achieve a level anywhere close to the CFL ... They have spent the past 5 years placing too much time / money / effort into trying to be at least 3 levels above anything else in the world of Inside Football.
1 level higher would be reasonably easy on fairly high but tightly controlled budget.
2 could be doable but it would take a few dollars more and a solid amount of luck.
3 is futile because the amount of time and money that is needed is something that is almost impossible to recoup.
Arena 1.0 got itself into trouble because too many of it's owners believed they could work their Association into a position that was just one step below the CFL. And they spent money like crazy, chasing this goal.
Arena 2.0 has made a somewhat similar mistake. Although this version of the AFL is not attempting to achieve a level anywhere close to the CFL ... They have spent the past 5 years placing too much time / money / effort into trying to be at least 3 levels above anything else in the world of Inside Football.
1 level higher would be reasonably easy on fairly high but tightly controlled budget.
2 could be doable but it would take a few dollars more and a solid amount of luck.
3 is futile because the amount of time and money that is needed is something that is almost impossible to recoup.
Last edited by Gene Duryea on Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
[quote=""Gene Duryea""]In my opinion ... The IFL has done a much better job of recognizing what the existing market for Inside Football is and then responding to it. Because of this, the league manages to play a fairly high quality and reasonably entertaining game. And it does this while keeping the team and league expenses at a manageable level.
Arena 1.0 got itself into trouble because too many of it's owners believed they could work their Association into a position that was just one step below the CFL. And they spent money like crazy, chasing this goal.
Arena 2.0 has made a somewhat similar mistake. Although this version of the AFL is not attempting to achieve a level anywhere close to the CFL ... They have spent the past 5 years placing too much time / money / effort into trying to be at least 3 levels above anything else in the world of Inside Football.
1 level higher would be reasonably easy on fairly high but tightly controlled budget.
2 could be doable but it would take a few dollars more and a solid amount of luck.
3 is futile because the amount of time and money that is needed is something that is almost impossible to recoup.[/quote]
You get it Gene, good post. I'm glad I'm not the only one who does.
Arena 1.0 got itself into trouble because too many of it's owners believed they could work their Association into a position that was just one step below the CFL. And they spent money like crazy, chasing this goal.
Arena 2.0 has made a somewhat similar mistake. Although this version of the AFL is not attempting to achieve a level anywhere close to the CFL ... They have spent the past 5 years placing too much time / money / effort into trying to be at least 3 levels above anything else in the world of Inside Football.
1 level higher would be reasonably easy on fairly high but tightly controlled budget.
2 could be doable but it would take a few dollars more and a solid amount of luck.
3 is futile because the amount of time and money that is needed is something that is almost impossible to recoup.[/quote]
You get it Gene, good post. I'm glad I'm not the only one who does.
[quote=""Orders""]They will play with 9 teams this coming season. Only the strong franchises survive, and they make no bones about not having dead weight "hanging on." The dead weight gets cut out. So 9 it will be, for 2017. Look for further expansion in 2018, to join SLC which commences play in 2017. Yes, one less team from 2016, but it will be addition by subtraction. If a team doesn't have solid financials in place, they will not be in the league. Unlike some of the jokes we have seen over the years, i.e. the AIF.[/quote]
Wrong! 4 more teams just bit the dust. Portland, Jax, Orlando and LA. Butera is the worst commissioner ever. He killed the AFL.
Wrong! 4 more teams just bit the dust. Portland, Jax, Orlando and LA. Butera is the worst commissioner ever. He killed the AFL.
Last edited by crixus on Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
Indoor/Arena FB
The AFL has really **** the bed.
Losing teams in markets like Jax, Phoenix, LA, SanJose, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Portland, LV, New Orleans as well as larger sub 1mm population markets Des Moines, Spokane has been suicide.
Butera has destroyed them sans a miracle and why would a group do that now?
IFL looks to be the best by far of the non-AFL leagues especially now with Arizona Rattlers and SLC coming on.
It seems a mix of large and 500-1mm pop. city teams in regions that allow for lower travel costs is the best avenue
For JAX The new ADL seems the best fit for these reasons.
If things stabilize with IFL Central and West and perhaps the ADL East, a merger could create a national league playing regional schedules and meet in playoffs. A couple smaller leagues can pick up the smaller town fleas (CIF) and a formal or informal Tier system can form. This will take time and teams may migrate, poach or form and fold to get the right balance but its the best thing.
In the mean time the larger existing teams may need to buy time in less than ideal situations.
One thing I don't see is a national AFL reforming quickly, in large cities only, with Butera.
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Losing teams in markets like Jax, Phoenix, LA, SanJose, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Portland, LV, New Orleans as well as larger sub 1mm population markets Des Moines, Spokane has been suicide.
Butera has destroyed them sans a miracle and why would a group do that now?
IFL looks to be the best by far of the non-AFL leagues especially now with Arizona Rattlers and SLC coming on.
It seems a mix of large and 500-1mm pop. city teams in regions that allow for lower travel costs is the best avenue
For JAX The new ADL seems the best fit for these reasons.
If things stabilize with IFL Central and West and perhaps the ADL East, a merger could create a national league playing regional schedules and meet in playoffs. A couple smaller leagues can pick up the smaller town fleas (CIF) and a formal or informal Tier system can form. This will take time and teams may migrate, poach or form and fold to get the right balance but its the best thing.
In the mean time the larger existing teams may need to buy time in less than ideal situations.
One thing I don't see is a national AFL reforming quickly, in large cities only, with Butera.
4th
Last edited by 4th&long on Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
[quote=""4th&long""]The AFL has really **** the bed.
Losing teams in markets like Jax, Phoenix, LA, SanJose, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Portland, LV, New Orleans as well as larger sub 1mm population markets Des Moines, Spokane has been suicide.
Butera has destroyed them sans a miracle and why would a group do that now?
IFL looks to be the best by far of the non-AFL leagues especially now with Arizona Rattlers and SLC coming on.
It seems a mix of large and 500-1mm pop. city teams in regions that allow for lower travel costs is the best avenue
For JAX The new ADL seems the best fit for these reasons.
If things stabilize with IFL Central and West and perhaps the ADL East, a merger could create a national league playing regional schedules and meet in playoffs. A couple smaller leagues can pick up the smaller town fleas (CIF) and a formal or informal Tier system can form. This will take time and teams may migrate, poach or form and fold to get the right balance but its the best thing.
In the mean time the larger existing teams may need to buy time in less than ideal situations.
One thing I don't see is a national AFL reforming quickly, in large cities only, with Butera.
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Good post 4th&long. But on the Jax Sharks website they posted that their moving to a league with International appeal and the ADL doesn't have any teams outside of the USA. But the new CanAm Indoor Football League does. So that's where I think they're moving to. *The only other time the AFL was down to four teams was when the league first formed. Butera killed this league with all his crazy demand$ and I don't see them rebounding. They might play one more season, but that will only prolong the inevitable. I knew this league was toast last season when all 8 teams made the playoffs even though many had losing records. That was the tell tale sign of serious desperation. I was a SaberCats fan since their inception and remember reading that their owners (Fry Bros.) couldn't stand Butera. And I can see why, he's completely inept as a Commissioner. The owner(s) of the brand new Washington Valor team must be thinking...what the **** did we get ourselves into? Help!
Losing teams in markets like Jax, Phoenix, LA, SanJose, Pittsburgh, Orlando, Portland, LV, New Orleans as well as larger sub 1mm population markets Des Moines, Spokane has been suicide.
Butera has destroyed them sans a miracle and why would a group do that now?
IFL looks to be the best by far of the non-AFL leagues especially now with Arizona Rattlers and SLC coming on.
It seems a mix of large and 500-1mm pop. city teams in regions that allow for lower travel costs is the best avenue
For JAX The new ADL seems the best fit for these reasons.
If things stabilize with IFL Central and West and perhaps the ADL East, a merger could create a national league playing regional schedules and meet in playoffs. A couple smaller leagues can pick up the smaller town fleas (CIF) and a formal or informal Tier system can form. This will take time and teams may migrate, poach or form and fold to get the right balance but its the best thing.
In the mean time the larger existing teams may need to buy time in less than ideal situations.
One thing I don't see is a national AFL reforming quickly, in large cities only, with Butera.
4th[/quote]
Good post 4th&long. But on the Jax Sharks website they posted that their moving to a league with International appeal and the ADL doesn't have any teams outside of the USA. But the new CanAm Indoor Football League does. So that's where I think they're moving to. *The only other time the AFL was down to four teams was when the league first formed. Butera killed this league with all his crazy demand$ and I don't see them rebounding. They might play one more season, but that will only prolong the inevitable. I knew this league was toast last season when all 8 teams made the playoffs even though many had losing records. That was the tell tale sign of serious desperation. I was a SaberCats fan since their inception and remember reading that their owners (Fry Bros.) couldn't stand Butera. And I can see why, he's completely inept as a Commissioner. The owner(s) of the brand new Washington Valor team must be thinking...what the **** did we get ourselves into? Help!
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