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[quote=""Sam Hill""]Schools play 8-man football where there are not enough players.
That does not mean someone in a place where they don't have 8 man football (or even where they do) wants to watch a professional league of 8-man football.
People don't want to watch a professional league that's anything other than the NFL. Which seems to be what many of you refuse to grasp. There's a reason none of these attempts have worked, and why the Pac Pro league with high school guys isn't going to work, either.
To get an audience even half as big as that of the NFL would require expenditures no one is willing to make. You'd have to steal NFL draft picks (not going to happen, even with the cap on rookie contracts). You'd have to steal some NFL veterans. (Absolutely not going to happen.) You'd have to play in big markets. (Not going to happen.) You'd have to get real football coaches, not the Galen Halls of the world.
None of these attempts have worked for a very good reason: they cannot garner a big enough audience because as much as people ***** about how much they hate the NFL and will never watch another game, of course they will. And they won't watch the Sacramento Sting against the Ozark Mountain Daredevils.[/quote]
Here's a question to ponder: assuming what you said is true, do you think there are places/locales where an alternative football league could possibly work given the fact that it would have to have people willing to lose money in the short term in order to get even the tiniest of footholds in the marketplace?
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That does not mean someone in a place where they don't have 8 man football (or even where they do) wants to watch a professional league of 8-man football.
People don't want to watch a professional league that's anything other than the NFL. Which seems to be what many of you refuse to grasp. There's a reason none of these attempts have worked, and why the Pac Pro league with high school guys isn't going to work, either.
To get an audience even half as big as that of the NFL would require expenditures no one is willing to make. You'd have to steal NFL draft picks (not going to happen, even with the cap on rookie contracts). You'd have to steal some NFL veterans. (Absolutely not going to happen.) You'd have to play in big markets. (Not going to happen.) You'd have to get real football coaches, not the Galen Halls of the world.
None of these attempts have worked for a very good reason: they cannot garner a big enough audience because as much as people ***** about how much they hate the NFL and will never watch another game, of course they will. And they won't watch the Sacramento Sting against the Ozark Mountain Daredevils.[/quote]
Here's a question to ponder: assuming what you said is true, do you think there are places/locales where an alternative football league could possibly work given the fact that it would have to have people willing to lose money in the short term in order to get even the tiniest of footholds in the marketplace?
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A lower level professional league is viable.
Football is no longer some golden calf that can't be duplicated, especially in its current state. The nfl version can't be done again but there is plenty of space for something else, I know what Sam has said over and over again but we're talking about developing talent not replaying those that have already come through the college system.
There has been semi pro teams able to draw weekly crowds in the 6,000 range something even indoor football teams can't do.(that takes Sam's no market for less known players out) and remember this is with players that have junior college skills.
The problem is those teams haven't been in a truly structured league , if the team is able to draw those numbers they are bigger than the league they play in,and has offered them nothing but a schedule so in short over time that could be scaled if model right.
Final point you stated over time and that's what it would take.
Football is no longer some golden calf that can't be duplicated, especially in its current state. The nfl version can't be done again but there is plenty of space for something else, I know what Sam has said over and over again but we're talking about developing talent not replaying those that have already come through the college system.
There has been semi pro teams able to draw weekly crowds in the 6,000 range something even indoor football teams can't do.(that takes Sam's no market for less known players out) and remember this is with players that have junior college skills.
The problem is those teams haven't been in a truly structured league , if the team is able to draw those numbers they are bigger than the league they play in,and has offered them nothing but a schedule so in short over time that could be scaled if model right.
Final point you stated over time and that's what it would take.
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[quote=""LordBy2014""]Here's a question to ponder: assuming what you said is true, do you think there are places/locales where an alternative football league could possibly work given the fact that it would have to have people willing to lose money in the short term in order to get even the tiniest of footholds in the marketplace?
Lord By[/quote]
No.
There is NO price point to where it becomes viable...ANYWHERE.
Lord By[/quote]
No.
There is NO price point to where it becomes viable...ANYWHERE.
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You are correct,based upon all the knuckle heads that have come attempting to use a tired model, the nfl model is based upon a lot of luck(being in the right place at the right time) that same model today fails.
Remember all the niche sports that have come on the scene before that many thought where is the price point for that crap- monster trucks pulls bike ramp jumping come on who is going to possibly watch that. My point is get outside the box the nfl is not the model to develop a new league concept around the old man get off my lawn is like having a greatest generation (media creation)
really today we send satellites to the outer reaches of space, before thought to be impossible.
Remember all the niche sports that have come on the scene before that many thought where is the price point for that crap- monster trucks pulls bike ramp jumping come on who is going to possibly watch that. My point is get outside the box the nfl is not the model to develop a new league concept around the old man get off my lawn is like having a greatest generation (media creation)
really today we send satellites to the outer reaches of space, before thought to be impossible.
[quote=""suge night""]You are correct,based upon all the knuckle heads that have come attempting to use a tired model, the nfl model is based upon a lot of luck(being in the right place at the right time) that same model today fails.
Remember all the niche sports that have come on the scene before that many thought where is the price point for that crap- monster trucks pulls bike ramp jumping come on who is going to possibly watch that. My point is get outside the box the nfl is not the model to develop a new league concept around the old man get off my lawn is like having a greatest generation (media creation)
really today we send satellites to the outer reaches of space, before thought to be impossible. [/quote]
This is not f'ing physics. You can be as "out of the box" as any marketeer, but as we approach 2018...$hitty, alt outdoor football does not put asses in seats, regardless of part of America.
Those who try to start alt football are not Elon Musk.
They're much more like Paul Elio.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/elio ... cial-woes/
Remember all the niche sports that have come on the scene before that many thought where is the price point for that crap- monster trucks pulls bike ramp jumping come on who is going to possibly watch that. My point is get outside the box the nfl is not the model to develop a new league concept around the old man get off my lawn is like having a greatest generation (media creation)
really today we send satellites to the outer reaches of space, before thought to be impossible. [/quote]
This is not f'ing physics. You can be as "out of the box" as any marketeer, but as we approach 2018...$hitty, alt outdoor football does not put asses in seats, regardless of part of America.
Those who try to start alt football are not Elon Musk.
They're much more like Paul Elio.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/elio ... cial-woes/
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The two men contacted the 220 semipro teams in the United States and Canada and found that about 30 had the necessary $150,000 to $300,000 to field a team for a season. That number was whittled to 12 after the teams' organizational skills were examined. The league shrank to 11 teams shortly after the season began in July, when the Ottawa Bootleggers withdrew because of financial problems. Spotty Attendance
So far, attendance has been spotty, as high as 6,000 for games in Charlotte, N.C., and Pueblo, Colo., and as low as a few hundred for other games.
This edited from late eighties article is from a once as you put s**tty football league, well before the graveyard full of others that came after.
My point here is their are people out there who will attend those games, but as I said before the knuckle heads have continued to attempt to use a dead model, this fact of 6,000 attending the games indicates its very possible if the model is sound and the numbers are put in perspective for what it is.
You see it has been done, if its treated the same as minor league baseball hockey and even the D- G League then 6,000 is more than enough to make it viable if not based around the nfl model.
So far, attendance has been spotty, as high as 6,000 for games in Charlotte, N.C., and Pueblo, Colo., and as low as a few hundred for other games.
This edited from late eighties article is from a once as you put s**tty football league, well before the graveyard full of others that came after.
My point here is their are people out there who will attend those games, but as I said before the knuckle heads have continued to attempt to use a dead model, this fact of 6,000 attending the games indicates its very possible if the model is sound and the numbers are put in perspective for what it is.
You see it has been done, if its treated the same as minor league baseball hockey and even the D- G League then 6,000 is more than enough to make it viable if not based around the nfl model.
[quote=""suge night""]The two men contacted the 220 semipro teams in the United States and Canada and found that about 30 had the necessary $150,000 to $300,000 to field a team for a season. That number was whittled to 12 after the teams' organizational skills were examined. The league shrank to 11 teams shortly after the season began in July, when the Ottawa Bootleggers withdrew because of financial problems. Spotty Attendance
So far, attendance has been spotty, as high as 6,000 for games in Charlotte, N.C., and Pueblo, Colo., and as low as a few hundred for other games.
This edited from late eighties article is from a once as you put s**tty football league, well before the graveyard full of others that came after.
My point here is their are people out there who will attend those games, but we I said before the knuckle heads have continued to attempt to use a dead model, this fact of 6,000 attending the games indicates its very possible if the model is sound and the numbers are put in perspective for what it is.
You see it has been done, if its treated the same as minor league baseball hockey and even the D- G League then 6,000 is more than enough to make it viable if not based around the nfl model.
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Did you say the late 1980's? Those people are now geriatric and their children don't wanna watch $hitty football as they haven't supported ANYTHING since to the level which it survived.
Late 80's...That's what historians would call a generation ago. One ****ing generation!
https://isogg.org/wiki/How_long_is_a_ge ... _an_answer
So far, attendance has been spotty, as high as 6,000 for games in Charlotte, N.C., and Pueblo, Colo., and as low as a few hundred for other games.
This edited from late eighties article is from a once as you put s**tty football league, well before the graveyard full of others that came after.
My point here is their are people out there who will attend those games, but we I said before the knuckle heads have continued to attempt to use a dead model, this fact of 6,000 attending the games indicates its very possible if the model is sound and the numbers are put in perspective for what it is.
You see it has been done, if its treated the same as minor league baseball hockey and even the D- G League then 6,000 is more than enough to make it viable if not based around the nfl model.
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Did you say the late 1980's? Those people are now geriatric and their children don't wanna watch $hitty football as they haven't supported ANYTHING since to the level which it survived.
Late 80's...That's what historians would call a generation ago. One ****ing generation!
https://isogg.org/wiki/How_long_is_a_ge ... _an_answer
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Small scale, patient leadership and some out-of-the box creativity and I do think an alternative football league could carve out a niche . . .
Can't try and take on the NFL head to head in any way, shape or form (think UFL) but as has been pointed out, D (now G)-League, MLS and E-League have managed to survive and thrive based on smaller scale models . . .
6K - 10K a game might be the way to start . . .
just sayin'
Can't try and take on the NFL head to head in any way, shape or form (think UFL) but as has been pointed out, D (now G)-League, MLS and E-League have managed to survive and thrive based on smaller scale models . . .
6K - 10K a game might be the way to start . . .
just sayin'