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Post by LordBy2014 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:57 pm

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1963 ... gue-fondly

Hard to believe it's been 10 years since NFL Europe/Europa folded up tents . . . many people are quoted in this article that a developmental league is very much needed for professional development . . .

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Post by suge night » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:54 pm

The development super hero on this subject is 4th&long, he's the Batman on this subject, :) joking 4th.

Lordby their has been plenty of conversation on this topic, we've already seen the Woods version can't say that it is a model that can scale into anything, next Spring we might see the pac pro and two other versions, of those we will see which one has a model worth tracking.

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Post by 4th&long » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:22 am

[quote=""LordBy2014""]http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1963 ... gue-fondly

Hard to believe it's been 10 years since NFL Europe/Europa folded up tents . . . many people are quoted in this article that a developmental league is very much needed for professional development . . .

Thoughts?[/quote]

Lord,

As Suge stated - attempts are in works with SL feeling some success landing contracts and as I posted having a 7/15 showcase game again.

PacProFB next summer & possibly SLAF at somepoint (though not holding breathe there).

Nontraditional American FB - indoor FB is going through some changes (not the same as outdoor but not totally off the table. The CFL is doing well also.

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Post by Sam Hill » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:14 pm

[quote=""LordBy2014""] many people are quoted in this article that a developmental league is very much needed for professional development . . . [/quote]

And, yet, they never seem to go deeper than that. People nod their heads and parrot each others' thoughts, but they never seem to be able to tell you exactly why.

Why would I spend two or three years "developing" a backup left tackle when one will be available next spring anyway? And the spring after that? And how much "development" is this backup left tackle going to do getting reps in a short season against other guys who aren't good enough? Is it more or less than being on a practice squad and practicing against actual NFL players on a regular basis?

Blah blah blah Kurt Warner blah blah blah. There aren't enough quarterbacks, you're not going to turn every decent college starter into a decent pro backup efficiently enough to make it worth the resources expended and (and this is the big part) you can't make money at it.

This whole idea that an NFL developmental league is "sorely needed" always seems to come with no supporting evidence other than vague quotes from people who can't seem to tell you why, exactly, or what the actual, tangible benefits would be.
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Post by Renandpat » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:03 am

[quote=""4th&long""]Lord,

As Suge stated - attempts are in works with SL feeling some success landing contracts and as I posted having a 7/15 showcase game again.

PacProFB next summer & possibly SLAF at somepoint (though not holding breathe there).

Nontraditional American FB - indoor FB is going through some changes (not the same as outdoor but not totally off the table. The CFL is doing well also.

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Ummm...SLAF has pushed back to 2019.

http://slafootball.com/phone/press.html

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Post by Sam Hill » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:24 am

Lardner's in on this one? Hoo-boy.
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Post by 4th&long » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:20 pm

[quote=""Renandpat""]Ummm...SLAF has pushed back to 2019.

http://slafootball.com/phone/press.html[/quote]

Exactly - If they don't have the connections to attract investors - going no where. Still on the radar, but lower and need to see progress by next spring.

PacPro looks like real deal.

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Post by suge night » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:56 pm

SLAF is dead, when the league is taking open resume from a list of people who would not have the knowledge or experience to operate a sports business, simply because the guy played football doesn't relate to operating a league from a business profile. Its over 2019 will come and go......

As for the real deal pac pro they are much to busy raising funding to operate any type of league, you'll find this to be true as we get to launch point.

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Post by suge night » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:48 pm

I would like to debate Sam's argument: with material facts that we know
Sam's question's
1.Why would I spend two or three years "developing" a backup left tackle when one will be available next spring anyway? And the spring after that? And how much "development" is this backup left tackle going to do getting reps in a short season against other guys who aren't good enough? Is it more or less than being on a practice squad and practicing against actual NFL players on a regular basis?

Fact: currently the nfl does this concept through what is a practice squad, only to cut that same player after drafting that very same position player, after they have failed to develop him in house, the material evidence suggest that they are not the best judge of talent or developing it in many cases.

2.There aren't enough quarterbacks, you're not going to turn every decent college starter into a decent pro backup efficiently enough to make it worth the resources expended and (and this is the big part) you can't make money at it.

Two Part Fact:
(A) The QB here Sam has a partial fact (There aren't enough quarterbacks) but of those that could be developed as a very good backup the nfl has failed own its on, if you were to target the top QB'S in college and project them as backups on the nfl teams its very easy to develop the backup position then, because you would have a plan to do just that. A development qb in such a league would be there to do the things his game has shortfall's in coming from the college game, and those are already known by video if he is going to become the starter at some point just as a military unit does play to his strength, the nfl does the other fit a round circle into a square.

The college sports parent company (school) is not going to help the nfl its not in its best interest, and they have stated this.

(B) (and this is the big part) you can't make money at it.

Fact: If the nfl were not busy drinking its own kool-aid its very possible to generate revenue, take minor league baseball the model is in the marketing of who attends those type of sporting event's nfl fans are not the target audience, this same mistake was made by the D League of nba those teams first thought of themselves as extended version's of the nba parent club, they have since found out that marketing approach is wrong, and are adjusting, in short you should be using the future blueprint as to marketing a sports business, we've just had drone racing introduced as a spectator sport, they have TV coverage and their are others but space is valuable in writing this so skipping alone.

3.This whole idea that an NFL developmental league is "sorely needed" always seems to come with no supporting evidence other than vague quotes from people who can't seem to tell you why, exactly, or what the actual, tangible benefits would be.

Fact: The nfl Texans are a prime example of why, remember last season they played 3 QB's and not one of those were a starter and not very good as backup material, there are linemen who can't block defensive backs who can't cover and many other positions only hosting a warm body, the material facts are clear as to why, of these reason's you find the tangible benefit.

These are material shown with merit, based upon the league's own assessment each season when drafting new undeveloped talent, that the teams themselves announce as being such.

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Post by Sam Hill » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:11 am

[quote=""suge night""]Fact: currently the nfl does this concept through what is a practice squad, only to cut that same player after drafting that very same position player, after they have failed to develop him in house, the material evidence suggest that they are not the best judge of talent or developing it in many cases.[/quote]

And where do those players go after they are cut? Another team's practice squad? Hang around the fringes for a while? How many of them go on to the Pro Bowl?

Your example proves my point: that players at that not-quite-there level, for the most part, aren't good enough and don't develop enough under the tutelage of actual NFL coaches and practicing against actual NFL players. But they're going to get better going full-speed against other guys who aren't good enough in glorified scrimmages against other teams that pop up with no history and few fans in a baseball stadium on some random Wednesday night? Really?

This is about the NFL not being able to identify or develop those players, but Brian Woods is going to be able to do that?
(A) The QB here Sam has a partial fact (There aren't enough quarterbacks) but of those that could be developed as a very good backup the nfl has failed own its on, if you were to target the top QB'S in college and project them as backups on the nfl teams its very easy to develop the backup position then, because you would have a plan to do just that.
That's a word salad.

There aren't even enough starting caliber quarterbacks in the NFL, much less backups. Most teams are screwed if their starter goes down anyway.
A development qb in such a league would be there to do the things his game has shortfall's in coming from the college game
What if he can't do them? What if that's the deal? How many guys suddenly "get it" at age 27?
Fact: If the nfl were not busy drinking its own kool-aid its very possible to generate revenue, take minor league baseball the model is in the marketing of who attends those type of sporting event's nfl fans are not the target audience, this same mistake was made by the D League of nba those teams first thought of themselves as extended version's of the nba parent club, they have since found out that marketing approach is wrong, and are adjusting, in short you should be using the future blueprint as to marketing a sports business, we've just had drone racing introduced as a spectator sport, they have TV coverage and their are others but space is valuable in writing this so skipping alone.
You cannot profit doing this. Cannot.

Minor league baseball teams can be profitable because the major league parent club is paying for the players, the manager and coaches and a lot of the equipment. Independent teams survive by not paying players much at all.

Football is the most expensive sport there is. You cannot make money at it at this level because you cannot generate enough revenue to cover expenses.

No league outside of the NFL has been able to generate sufficient revenue to meet its expenses in the last 50 years. None. Not one. It can't be done. Especially now.

Despite example after example after example of these "developmental" or "alternative" leagues bleeding money and dying after brief lives, people like you still insist the concept is solid and they're justthisclose to cracking the code.

They're not. It can't be done. We will be sitting here in 5 years and it still won't have been done.

And there is no cost-effective way for the NFL to do it themselves that makes any more sense than just letting Michigan and Florida and Texas do it.
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