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Old 07-31-2006, 06:56 PM
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$100,000 for payroll is high for these leagues. About $75k would be paying every player the $300 max for 14 games.

And with the right national equipment sponsors, you can outfit 30 players for under $10 grand too.

Arena rent varies... I've seen some venues go for $1500 a game, some for $10,000 a game. Depends on your market, and your advertising revenue as well as your ticket prices should reflect that.

Knowing how to spend the money is almost if not more important than making it.
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Old 07-31-2006, 07:23 PM
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Just curious about this:

How many of the expenses are mandated (cost fixed) by the league?

Examples would be Uniforms, Footballs, use of logo, websites, etc.

Obviously, there are franchise fees and monthly dues. Very curious to find out what is mandated by the league.
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Old 07-31-2006, 07:53 PM
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A good owner could make an indoor football team work in just about any market. Although Danville is not the largest market by any means in the AIFL or GLIFL, if a good owner has a good plan to work with, they could break even or at least make a small amount of profit in Danville. Someone with the ability to market well and hit the streets could have some limited success in D'ville.
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:10 PM
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If travel costs don't kill them, and they don't get stood up at home. Look, you're going to have to play somebody each game, and if they fold or send in a terrible replacement team, it isn't going to take long before your fan base dwindles. That's one of the points I'm making in the ABA thread. If you don't provide your product, you will lose all your customers.
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Old 07-31-2006, 10:00 PM
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Teams fold in all leagues, well almost all of them. An owner must be prepared how to handle that with the exception of looking dumbfounded in the event that you lose a game. With only 10 teams in this league now, travel costs would get you if not prepared. The problem is new owners go out and hire an entire staff when a team in a market the size of Danville could be run successfully with a small staff. The thing about indoor football is, you have a great product in place and having success with the GLIFL, what the midwest needs is a basketball league with a successful formula much like the GLIFL. Its just sitting there waiting for someone to take it and run with it. If a league could be formed and get interest from teams in the ABA and the IBL, it could have some great success. D'ville could work, but to really get it to work successfully and right, it needs to be farther north and in the GLIFL. With it in the AIFL, travel costs will be high heading to Canton and Erie and then south to play a few southern teams to make up a 14 game schedule. If a team folds and disappears off of our schedule, there are ways to work that out, but it would take some work from some good solid owners. Same with the ABA, if a team folds...you have backups in place ready to go with teams that are having success. If you can work something out before the season with 4 or 5 teams, that when a team folds and you lose a team to play, you make a call and replace that team with one of the 4 or 5 teams that you contacted prior to the season. For instance, if you have a team in Knoxville. You lose a game, you have it set up with a team in Atl or somewhere else to come play you or vice versa when you need to reschedule a game. You can take a negative and turn it into a positive if done properly. I see your point, but someone with a good business sense could make it work.
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But if you're in a small arena, the best preparation is not joining a league whose teams are too far away from you or are underfunded to the point where you doubt they'll finish the season. Of course, Danville doesn't have an owner yet, so no one needs to worry at this point.

It sounds great to have a backup plan of 4-5 teams you can call at a moment's notice, but it simply doesn't work that way. If you're going to do all your own scheduling, three and four times over, why be in a league at all? Plus, if you expect others to fill in your schedule at the drop of a hat, you're going to be expected to do the same. Are you willing to play two games in a weekend or try to throw your players together for a road trip on a few hours notice? It's just not that simple to find alternate opponents, and do so without losing face with your fans. Ask the Fayetteville Guard what they got out of hastily scheduling replacement teams. Sure, they staged the games, but they got ripped in the local paper for all their trouble.
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:27 AM
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Yep I agree with you, but in minor league sports there are only a few ways to handle folding teams.

1. Replace them with other teams. Although I think you could get away with it it 1 time...maybe 2 tops..anything after that and it is crash and burn time.

2. Play in a solid league where losing teams is not an issue.

I am not saying it is a good thing, I am just saying that someone could make it work in a tiny market like Danville, but they need to really be pre-prepared for anything, including opening their checkbook more often. But, it could work.

How small is the arena in Danville? Do they have minor league hockey or baseball there now? If so, is it supported?
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Old 08-01-2006, 12:40 PM
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It seems mr haines is trying to sell a team in Mobile , asking price 75k al,,,,,,isnt that where fourcade and the new a2 team was to be before Rita hit the gulf coast/ Site also says league expects to have 24-30 teams this yr.hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm
Asking price for tupelo was 50k, wonder if he got that. More greasy news to come,,,U WILL LOVE THE NEXT ONE
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Old 08-01-2006, 12:53 PM
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Jay, are you by chance the host of a 10th rate indoor football radio show?
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:15 PM
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I dont think so but I do know who you are talking about,,, the owner of the ieieo football league, What happend to dear ol'e jim, havent heard of him in a while. is he still planon the new league up north?
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