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Old 07-30-2006, 09:37 PM
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Default New Teams and '07 Season

This is my first post on here so take it easy on me but I have been observing for 2 months or so now and I want to just make sure I am understanding things as the AIFL has announced a team about 20 minutes from me. They will play in Danville, IL.
1)AIFL started last season with 16 teams 2 league owned teams either flopped before or just after the season started. How many league owned teams were there?

2)The league who according to some on here cant pay some bills as it is, Is not worried about a settlement against them for over 1/4 million dollars.

3)Can a team playing in a 2000 seat arena make a profit?? and if so what kind of fan support will they need.

4) This Daytona Dan guy, I think is is with the thunder correct? but was he affiliated with the AIFL Board so to say? If so it seems like he was the only one with a level head from what I have been reading.

I have more but I am just concerned because I know there is alot of hype around the Danville area with people who want to see professional football but I dont think any of those people have been on here to get a different side of the story. By the way I have forund of the so called rumors I have heard on this board in the last 2 months I would say there is a 90% truth rate to those leaks as the politicians would call it.
Thanks and sorry for typing so much
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:03 PM
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Depending on the amount of sponsorship, the # of employees and their pay, as well as lease agreements and frugality, you can break even or make money at 2,000/game. This depends on specifics such as merchandise sales, how much of beer and concession sales go to the team (if any), as well as the intangiables, such as # of seats sold for how much. A smaller arena would probably have to average about $12.50/ticket (500 or so at $10, 1000 or so at $12.50 and 500 or so at $14), hoping for incremental bump ups if the place isn't sold out.

You'd still be looking at a budget of about $225,000-$275,000 a year for a 14-game AIFL season, and would then require anywhere between $50,000 and $100,000 in sponsorship and ancilliary revenues (beer, concessions, parking, merchandise...).

The key point though is, despite sponsorship and the business climate supporting the team, if only 1,000 show up a game, the team would be in trouble. A sell out every night would basically be a prerequisite.

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Old 07-30-2006, 10:14 PM
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The best thing you can do is go to games, and tell people how much you enjoyed it (because you will). And bring people back with you.Buy shirts/hats/beer/hotdogs....Whatever you can do to support the team.
Secondly, hope that your owner has cash to burn, and doesn't mind throwing it into the fire.
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:19 PM
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Thank You for your response

From what you told me I think Danville is a bomb waiting to explode

Here is a brief profile of Danville
Population 34,000
Person below poverty rate 19%
Avg income $30K

Danville is known for their state prison, factories, Public Housing problems (to many housing projects), Drugs, Prostitution

Positives in Danville, A nice arena that sits empty outside of hockey season, And there is a walmart. there are more positives but it is going to be hard to convince a family of 4 to go spend $50 plus to go see 1 game of a lower level pro indoor team.
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:21 PM
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Gonzo,

there is no owner in Danville curently AH even has what I believe is the Danville franchise for sale on Biz sellers. That is what worries me
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Old 07-31-2006, 03:14 AM
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Check out the "About Us" page on Biz sellers and you will see why teams are being sold there. Same owner as the AIFL.
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:11 AM
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Default You Cant run a Team for $250,000.00

That is the biggest lie in indoor football. Payroll alone for players push $100,000.00 then you have to have front office staff, equipment, travel, insurance, etc. Minimum first year is no less than $500,000.00 and there in lies the problem with so many leagues. Most owners where lied to about the dollars they will spend.
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:15 AM
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Default The low down on the AIFL

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Originally Posted by Interested Observer
This is my first post on here so take it easy on me but I have been observing for 2 months or so now and I want to just make sure I am understanding things as the AIFL has announced a team about 20 minutes from me. They will play in Danville, IL.
1)AIFL started last season with 16 teams 2 league owned teams either flopped before or just after the season started. How many league owned teams were there?

2)The league who according to some on here cant pay some bills as it is, Is not worried about a settlement against them for over 1/4 million dollars.

3)Can a team playing in a 2000 seat arena make a profit?? and if so what kind of fan support will they need.

4) This Daytona Dan guy, I think is is with the thunder correct? but was he affiliated with the AIFL Board so to say? If so it seems like he was the only one with a level head from what I have been reading.

I have more but I am just concerned because I know there is alot of hype around the Danville area with people who want to see professional football but I dont think any of those people have been on here to get a different side of the story. By the way I have forund of the so called rumors I have heard on this board in the last 2 months I would say there is a 90% truth rate to those leaks as the politicians would call it.
Thanks and sorry for typing so much
Here is the wiki link to the aifl. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIFL
It has a good background on the league

The league philosophy is to find a city and arena venue, build a team, and then sell it. This would work as long as the new owners are financially stable, which many have not been. So teams start a season with owners then end up back in the hands of the league during the season.

A small arena can make money. Most of the money comes from sponsorships. As long as a team can fill all the seats they can charge a good price for the sponsorships. If the seats are empty, the price of advertising goes down. Just like a radio station, the fewer the listeners, the cheaper the advertising.

Daytona Dan is officially the AIFL Media Coordinator. He is a good guy. He tries to keep the fans updated as to the goings on in the AIFL. He is somewhat hampered by the ownership of the AIFL who seem to think fans are not important. Here is a clue. NO FANS, NO MONEY!

The league was plagued by financial shortfalls throughout both the 2005 and 2006 seasons. The league owner kept spinning the problem and lost some good talent when he couldnít, or didnít want to, pay some players. There is a problem with keeping the officiating staff also.

The judgment against the league is for $450,000. The league owner didnít even put up a fight. He totally ignored the law suit. Not a good business decision. Of course he will, and is, spinning that also.

Best of luck to your prospective team. Indoor football is an exciting sport. I have attended every game in the Richmond Coliseum since 2000 with two different teams and two different leagues. I will continue to do so if Richmond returns next year.
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Old 07-31-2006, 09:31 AM
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Gonzo,

there is no owner in Danville curently AH even has what I believe is the Danville franchise for sale on Biz sellers. That is what worries me
No owner is a little shaky at this point. And 34,000 is kind of a low population. You'd have to draw about 10% of the population that's not in the 19% below the poverty line. It's "do-able" (that's what the kids say), but it would be very hard. There are about 120,000 people in Floyd County,Ga (Rome) and it's a stretch for the Renegades to put 2,000 people in the forum. What helps is drawing fans from our surrounding areas. There are several smaller towns within a half hour or so of Rome and alot of people from those places come to Renegades games. I don't know anything about Danville or the surrounding area, but hopefully an owner will be in place soon and the marketing process can begin.
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Old 07-31-2006, 06:46 PM
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I never said first year... I meant just year-to-year general operations. The question is 'how cheap will they be'. Too cheap and it turns off fans and sponsors, too expensive and you'll never make enough to cover it.

You're looking at $25,000 for franchise fee, $60,000 or so for the field, and depending on how you go with boards, can greatly change those costs as well.

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