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Old 04-12-2008, 03:19 AM
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Default 2009-10 NBA Expansion

With the D-League season coming to a close in less than 24 hours (it's only 12:27 AM here in LA as of this post), I figured it would be a good idea to take a look at the next step in the D-League's evolution.

Some things we know already.

a) Erie and Reno will begin play in 2008-09, bringing the total D-League teams to 16, a little over halfway to the League's goal of 30.
b) Even without the official announcement, the Portland, Maine team will begin play in 2009-10 and will be affiliated with the Boston Celtics. The full announcement will not take place until the summer.
c) The next round of expansion that will take place in the D, will be in the Northeast, with 2010-11 and 2011-12, will be for the Southeast and to fill in the remaining pieces to achieve their said goals.

Some rumors that have been floating about for 09-10

(Note: I am not pontificating on the percentages these will happen, but I do expect all to happen at some point):

1. Harlem, NY - with Donnie Walsh's hiring, this seems like a foregone conclusion that this will happen. It's pretty apparent that Walsh was brought into clean up the Knicks image. The interesting thing here is that the Knicks may not own this team at least 100%. There may be some Harlem local owners who own it.
2. Toledo, OH - this team is being thought about the Mud Hens organization and would probably be the Pistons affiliate. With the cities being only an hour apart, it makes too much sense for it not to happen.
3. Frisco, TX - Rumors that Cuban will put a team there that will be owned by the Mavericks. Frisco is a growing yuppie town/family area that would probably thrive. Fort Worth is a bad city for minor league sports it appears.
4. Trenton, NJ - The new President of the Sixers, Ed Stefanski has mentioned the empty arena in Trenton being the perfect place for the Sixers minor league team and I am liable to agree. I originally believed the Sixers would try to keep the team a PA team by being in Reading or Scranton, but ultimately Trenton is only a 40 minute drive away and the Sixers would be able to easily keep tabs on their young players during the season by having them play so close to home.
5. Toronto Raptor Affiliate - This one is very much up in the air. The MLSE owns the Raptors and may not have an interest in running a minor league team. However, it's pretty apparent that Bryan Colangelo wants one near the Raptors and thinks it will help grow the sport in Canada (I agree with him). Now, there are talks of Hamilton and Southern Ontario, but I am not sure the Raptors will have the infrastructure in place to put this together. The reason i say this is because I haven't even read of a venue yet. Which brings me to the Halifax Rainmen.

Personally, I would love to see the Rainmen get in the D-League for the 09-10 season after spending a year in the PBL or CBA, simply because there aren't any teams close to them in the D as of right now. If an agreement can be worked out with the Raptors and the Rainmen, it might work out. Here's the problem. The closest team to the Rainmen would be the expansion Portland team and they are a cool nine hours away. Hamilton is also nine hours away, but they are also closer to other teams like the Erie team and the Fort Wayne team. Can a team that is eighteen hours away from it's affiliate city (Toronto), really work? I just think at the end of the day they are going to be denied, because they are out on an island, quite literally. It says here that Hamilton will be the pick.

Teams that are up in the air:

1. The Rim Rockers - Formerly of Arkansas, Larry Crain has been trying to find a place to play for some time. Now, there were talks that he had secured a location in Cedar Rapids, but there has been no news on this since. League President Dan Reed emphatically stated that there would only be two expansion teams this year, so if the RimRockers are playing in Cedar Rapids this will probably not happen until 2009-10 as well. It's pretty much too late for Crain to get his ducks in a row to have a successful season, so they if this does succeed it will have to take place next year.

2. Florida Flame - Not sure if this group is simply waiting for the round of expansion in the Southeast before resuming play. They are not going to return to the league until the NBA re-expands into the South. One thing is certain, they are going to need another team in Florida (for the Orlando Magic). Probably in Daytona Beach or Jacksonville (I would bet on Jacksonville).

3. Albany Patroons - Has been some rumors that along with the new Northeast Division, there has been some dealings between the D-League and this team about possibly moving from the CBA. When the four CBA teams defected, many expected the Patroons to go with them, but they were not willing to suspend operations while waiting for the East Coast expansion, a wise choice I might add. However, now that the East Coast expansion is real, it would be smart of the league to let the Patroons in even at the rate they gave to the CBA teams previously, because this is a franchise with a lot of history and the perfect affiliate for the soon to be Brooklyn bound Nets.

So as it stands for the 2008-09 season, I am going to take a stab at the affiliate system.

East
Erie *expansion* (Cleveland, Philadelphia)
Fort Wayne (Detroit, Indiana)
Iowa (Chicago, Boston)
Dakota (Milwaukee, Washington)
Sioux Falls (Minnesota, Toronto)

Southwest
Rio Grande Valley (Houston, New Orleans)
Tulsa *Bixby, OK* (Dallas, Memphis)
Austin (San Antonio)
Colorado (Denver, New Jersey)
Albuquerque (Phoenix, New York)

Pacific
Utah (Utah, Charlotte)
Idaho (Portland, Seattle)
Reno *expansion* (Sacramento, Atlanta)
Bakersfield (Golden State, Miami)
Los Angeles *Ontario, CA* (LA Lakers)
Anaheim (LA Clippers, Orlando)

With the new affiliate system, the NBA is getting closer to it's goal of 1 to 1 affiliation and no D-League franchise will have more than two NBA team affiliated which is a good thing because it keeps multiple players from 3 different teams being yo-yo'd around.

So what to expect for 09-10? Here are my predictions.

Portland, ME (guaranteed) - Celtics affiliate
Trenton, NJ - Sixers affiliate
Harlem, NY - Knicks affiliate
Hamilton, Ontario - Raptors affiliate
Toledo, OH - Pistons affiliate
Albany Patroons defect from CBA, join D-League - Nets affiliate

Cedar Rapids possibly enters the league and if not the NBA helps Larry find a Southeast location to help relocate the RimRockers to (meaning either the Bobcats in Wilmington, NC; the Wizards in Northern Virginia or Maryland; the Hawks in Columbus or Gwinnett, GA; or the Magic somewhere in Central FL)

Frisco, TX waits till the 2010-11 season to join the NBA. I doubt the NBA is going to want more than 6 new teams coming into the D-League. So the top six would be my picks bringing the D-League to 22 teams before the Fall of 2009.

Atlantic Division
Portland *expansion*
Hamilton *expansion*
Albany Patroons
Harlem *expansion*
Trenton *expansion*

Central Division
Fort Wayne Mad Ants
Erie [name TBA]
Toledo *expansion*
Iowa Energy
Sioux Falls SkyForce
Dakota Wizards

Southwest Division
Austin Toros
Rio Grande Valley Vipers
Tulsa 66ers
Colorado 14ers
Albuquerque Thunderbirds

West Division
Idaho Stampede
Utah Flash
Los Angeles Defenders
Anaheim Arsenal
Bakersfield Jam
Reno [name TBA]

What do you expect to happen for the 2009-10 season?

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Old 04-12-2008, 07:26 AM
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How sure are you that Portland will get a team and be the Celtics affiliate to boot?

Supposedly Manchester is interested in doing the same thing.

Great post by the way!

I sure would love it if Portland would get in the D-League.
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:53 PM
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How sure are you that Portland will get a team and be the Celtics affiliate to boot?

Supposedly Manchester is interested in doing the same thing.

Great post by the way!

I sure would love it if Portland would get in the D-League.
As Manchester is an ABA organization, I doubt the D-League wants to let them in.
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As Manchester is an ABA organization, I doubt the D-League wants to let them in.
They have done it twice before that I can recall.
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Charlotte is more likely to have a team play in Charlotte (like the Lakers arrangement), or Asheville (where there were two D-League championships and a basketball-specific venue being opened at UNC-Asheville in 2010), or Gastonia (nearby Charlotte) than Wilmington.
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Old 04-12-2008, 02:23 PM
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IIRC, I think the goal will be to get to 30 first with parent clubs most important. Portland is a guaranteed at this point. The people involved are top notch in every capacity and the NBA wants to tap the Celtics ties.

The problem with Manchester is this: If they don't get the Celtics affiliation (which appears unlikely), what do you do with them? Even if someone said let's put teams in Providence and Hartford, yes they would make sense from a rivalry perspective, but the D-League wants teams that make sense for the NBA clubs.

So I doubt you'd see Manchester with a Brooklyn Nets situation. From a logistics stand point it seems rather doubtful.

Sign, I agree that Charlotte may eventually go the route of the Lakers and I know you're a NC resident. I think Wilmington is a great town and only four hours away from Charlotte and Asheville is two hours away. So I guess it's whatever is convenient. However, what if the Sea Dawgs of the PBL were able to put together something.

I have not heard of the Bobcats buying into the D-League yet, even if they have sent players down there in the past. The only reason I ask if that is realistic, is because Bob Johnson is a notorious cheapskate (and when he does spend money, he doesn't seem to spend it on the right things).
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I think it's going to take awhile to get 30 teams, and that's alright.. I would rather the league not pick up teams just to have teams... Keep bringing in the best run teams until there are 30, no matter how long it takes..
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They have done it twice before that I can recall.
Outside of Vermont (which has arena issues), can you think of any other ABA organizations that are legitimately viable/professional enough now for the D-League? (Assuming the D-League even talks to ABA teams nowadays.)
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Midwest
Cedar Rapids (Mil-affiliate)
Des Moines (Chi-affiliate)
Sioux Falls (Minn - affiliate)
Omaha (non-affiliate)

Northwest
Fargo (Mem-affiliate)
Bismarck (Was-affiliate)
Minot (Moves over from CBA as non-affiliate due to lack of teams located in the west)
Rapid City (non-affiliate)
They are not going to split the rivalry up like that. The Force and Wiz are going to stay in the same division no matter what I'm sure.
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IIRC, I think the goal will be to get to 30 first with parent clubs most important. Portland is a guaranteed at this point. The people involved are top notch in every capacity and the NBA wants to tap the Celtics ties.

The problem with Manchester is this: If they don't get the Celtics affiliation (which appears unlikely), what do you do with them? Even if someone said let's put teams in Providence and Hartford, yes they would make sense from a rivalry perspective, but the D-League wants teams that make sense for the NBA clubs.

So I doubt you'd see Manchester with a Brooklyn Nets situation. From a logistics stand point it seems rather doubtful.

Sign, I agree that Charlotte may eventually go the route of the Lakers and I know you're a NC resident. I think Wilmington is a great town and only four hours away from Charlotte and Asheville is two hours away. So I guess it's whatever is convenient. However, what if the Sea Dawgs of the PBL were able to put together something.

I have not heard of the Bobcats buying into the D-League yet, even if they have sent players down there in the past. The only reason I ask if that is realistic, is because Bob Johnson is a notorious cheapskate (and when he does spend money, he doesn't seem to spend it on the right things).
Johnson does have that reputation for being a cheapskate, and he didn't invest well in his local TV venture (although his first one did very well).

This adds to the argument for having Charlotte as number 1 on the list. He's GOING to be forced by peer pressure to get a D-League team, as will every NBA team. Wilmington's best shot at getting in is a formal relationship with the PBL, or even the PBL being absorbed to the D-League (NOT implausible at all). The Jet really has done little as Commissioner, maybe this is why he was brought in?

Asheville is another logical argument if the Charlotte D-League team as the newer venue is slated to seat only 3,500-4,000, meaning rental can't be that bad and let's get real: The D-league isn't about attendance. I still don't see the argument for having teams in venues as big as the D-League has them except ego.

WHEN Harlem gets their team it will be the most popular D-League team right away, especially for the players. Just too much history in Harlem.

I just fear that, given how the D-fenders did so well helping the Lakers by playing all their home games at Staples, the D-league will end up like the MLS reserve league which basically plays all their games at their parent club's venue.
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