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Old 04-07-2007, 05:04 PM
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Just curious about what is going on around the league. The PHX Flame played their first game last night against the Vegas stars. They lost by 9, but had a good crowd turnout. Somewhere around 700. Play again tonight, we'll see what the fan turnout and final outcome of the game is.

700 is a good number for a debut of a new team in a big city:

What's going on elsewhere? Can we see some numbers?
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:05 PM
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Is 700 enough to keep them afloat though? Troy Burns the new owner of the Saskatoon and Edmonton 2008 teams, says he needs 3-4,000 per game to break even. I mean if 700 is a good sized crowd great, but sounds like its kinda small to be able to turn a profit.
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Old 04-07-2007, 06:45 PM
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I think the article in the paper says the owner wants 3 to 4000 a game but it's not a break even I think thats what he is hoping for as I just reserved my 4 season tickets here in edmonton as they are at 573 season tickets already reserved.
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I think the article in the paper says the owner wants 3 to 4000 a game but it's not a break even I think thats what he is hoping for as I just reserved my 4 season tickets here in edmonton as they are at 573 season tickets already reserved.
How much are they going for? You're right its his targeted attendance, which is vague sounding.

Here's the article for those interested:

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Basketball league franchise to open in Saskatoon next March
Kevin Mitchell, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, April 05, 2007

Troy Burns plans on taking professional basketball into a city still sporting scorch marks from past suitors.

The Edmonton-based businessman said Thursday that an International Basketball League franchise will tip off at Saskatoon’s Credit Union Centre next March. He reached a lease agreement with the arena Thursday, though nothing has been signed yet.

“We want the team to be there for a long, long time,” said Burns, who fronts Sports Management Group Ltd. “Looking at the league, talking to the commissioner, we knew it would work in Saskatoon.” His next task is to convince Saskatoon businesspeople and fans, both victimized repeatedly by failed sports ventures, that he’s in for the long-haul.

That won’t be easy.

Saskatoon’s last pro sports disaster was in 2003, when the Canadian Baseball League crashed in mid-season and left piles of creditors who never received their money.

Three different pro basketball teams have played in four different leagues since 1990. Two of those leagues folded in mid-season, and the last team - the Saskatchewan Hawks - died in 2002 after two dysfunctional years.

Burns, whose group also owns an IBL expansion franchise in Edmonton, plans to move into Saskatoon and take a hands-on approach.

He’s currently employed by the Northern League’s Edmonton Cracker Cats as director of corporate sponsorship and new-business development. He also recently landed franchise-ownership rights in the controversy-plagued World Hockey Association, a western junior league unsanctioned by Hockey Canada.

The IBL is entering its third season and has 26 teams, all south of the border. The low-budget league works itself around geographic clusters and guarantees that no team will have more than one air-travel trip per season.

The league hopes to have at least three Canadian franchises next season; Burns’ teams in Saskatoon and Edmonton, and another in Calgary. They’re trying to finalize a deal with that owner.

IBL commissioner Mikal Duilio was traveling Thursday and couldn’t be reached for comment.

“Looking at Saskatoon, we saw what happened in the past,” Burns said. “I want to meet with the business community and potential sponsors, show them what we’re going to do. We’re hoping we’ll be able to talk to them, and tell them how we’re different from past owners who have been there.

“Anywhere you go, you’re going to have a little bit of resistance. They’re going to be skeptical. But sports marketing is my background, and hopefully we’ll be able to win them over.” Burns enters Saskatoon’s sports marketplace at an interesting time. The Canadian Major Indoor Soccer League plans to play here starting in September, and the Northern League is looking for somebody interested in owning a local baseball franchise.

IBL teams run budgets in the $100,000 range, and Burns said players in smaller-market areas might earn salaries starting at $100 to $300 per game.

He said he hopes to sign five or six Canadian players onto his teams, including those who played university hoops in Canada.

His targeted attendance is 3,000 to 4,000 per game during 12 home contests.

The league’s average attendance through two seasons is listed at 700.

“I’m dead serious about this,” Burns said. “I want to make it work. I feel fans there have been cheated by the past leagues they’ve been in. It all comes down to the business plan.”

kmitchell@sp.canwest.com


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Old 04-07-2007, 07:33 PM
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The season tickets are 120.00 and 180.00 for 12 home games as all I had to do was give my name and contact details and they would contact me for me to pay for the tickets in the next month or so.
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That's actually very reasonable. However, I wonder if tickets might be more expensive here in Saskatoon, simply due to the costs of using Credit Union Centre as opposed to Grant MacEwen College (I believe).
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I do have there prices as a friend of mine from Saskatoon asked me when I got my season tickets as they start at 120.00, 180.00, 240.00 and courtsides are from 360.00 to 480.00 hopefully that helps you out.
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Old 04-07-2007, 07:52 PM
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I do have there prices as a friend of mine from Saskatoon asked me when I got my season tickets as they start at 120.00, 180.00, 240.00 and courtsides are from 360.00 to 480.00 hopefully that helps you out.
That's not terrible. Just curious how they divide the prices. Since the Credit Union Centre is only two levels and courtside, I'm wondering how the 4 price areas work. I'd consider buying season tickets in the lower level depending how much they go for.
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Unfortunately, I couldn't attend either Phoenix Flame game this weekend vs. Las Vegas. They got blown out in the 2nd game after keeping it close in the first game on Friday. I hope either Vegas is great, or the Flame can improve their roster. Anyone know how Ceballos did for the Flame?

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Old 04-08-2007, 08:04 PM
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Ceballos didn't even play. He sat at the end of the bench in a sports coat and didn't seem to have much input in what was going on. Vegas didn't have anyone that I could say would do much damage outside of the IBL, but did play well toghether as a team. Looked like a YMCA pick up game to me.

The only player that stood out for the Flame was the Owner (Stephen Moss-Kelley). He was the only player that showed any sort of emotion and showed that he actually cared to be there. Played a good first game and a hell of a second game. The rest of the team kind of seemed very timid and scared. Although there was a guard that played towards the end of the game that played pretty hard.

If PHX keeps it up like this, I don't see this club lasting very long. Attendance did drop from the first night to the second.

My suggestion to PHX. Get a big man who can board and some players who care.
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