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The 50% retention rate is a disappointment. But, the PBL in its first year and the CBA last year, both with 50% turnover this off season it seems, did largely get through their seasons playing all of their games. That is the big difference from a few of the other leagues. I for one have never seen any real separation between the CBA and PBL. (a1 is the only guy/gal/shemale to ever claim that.) Both are facing the same problems, and both require adjustments to their business models. I hoped they would come together. Maybe it can still happen.
Atlanta = Dallas
Great Falls = Jacksonville
Butte = Rockford
Yakama = QC
Rio Grande = Arkansas
Both leagues had two teams fall apart during the season but somehow limp through, while the rest folded in the offseason.
I agree the 5 teams that were left for each league could have made an extremely strong league, plus add in the 5 ABA franchises, wow.
Imagine the marketing and promotional ideas that could come from having the ABA, PBL and CBA Champions duking it out in the same league.
Hit another nerve...you don't seem to like it when someone disagees with you?
You really take this too seriously. This is a message board. People respond to others. That's what happens here.
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I have worked with the PBL Fury (did cable tv for them - 5 games, I left because we did not agree on issues about the broadcast, etc)
Have worked for the IBL as a sub-contracted employee
Do free services to help kids and coaches connect to play college sports...
Have worked with other pro and college sports groups, but never with the ABA, again is that against the law? If it is than the PBL is in big trouble, since most of them had a relationship with the ABA...have you ever emailed Joe Newman or talked to him on the phone...
I'm glad you are so involved. Your attempts to work for the ABA, and employ its tactics by attacking other leagues and attempting to discredit anyone who mentions the ABA's failings, all the while ignoring the faults of the ABA, shed a lot of light on what you're doing here, I believe. Others may disagree.
Mr. Newman and I have emailed each other literally dozens of times over the last several years, and that might be a conservative estimate. I have spoken with him on the phone as well.
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Do you host the PBL Show (online) on OSC? Do you promote it on OSC, does anyone from OSC write articles about the state of basketball that work for any of the basketball leagues or is a moderator on your boards? Do you post ABA material, do you host a board to talk about the ABA, do you profit from hosting that board?
LOL, all of this pretty funny, I'm sure all of the boys on both sides are having a good time with this...I even got told that my saying " a slap on the back" was the wrong thing to say when saying something nice, that was a good one..
The PBL show is produced by a third party, veteran broadcaster Bill Hazen, and we receive nothing from the PBL for it. The ABA has the same opportunity. As you know, one of our mods, also a freelance writer, has done some work for the PBL, but you failed to mention that he also did work for an ABA team. We host boards, post links, add press releases, follow scores, etc. for over five dozen leagues, the PBL and ABA included.
Last season, supposely the Minnesota Ripknees had venue problems, and would play in 08-09. I doubt the QC riverhawks will ever play again.
Obviously there are some issues with league. It is amazing how people come down on the ABA, but there are lots of things with the PBL that have been swept under the rug.
Team folding, holding games in Chicago w no fans, Kenny Smith -non involvement, the list goes on, but they are just in there second year.
It's been fun, I'll be back when the next team folds in the PBL or takes a year off like Minnesota...
so Chris worked for the ABA? interesting he must have an attitude against them, just like me against the PBL,,,by the way you can't read, I have never worked for the ABA and have not had contact with them since Brad H left,
I did figure out why you like the PBL so much...you can do the same thing with them as you did the USFL...from your USFL page
It is my hope that this site will preserve the memory of a great league and help keep the USFL's place in pro football history alive.
USFL and PBL will sure have a lot in common, be happy to sell you my Rockford Fury dress shirt I have, and you can write another book...
It's been fun, I'll be back when the next team folds in the PBL or takes a year off like Minnesota...
so Chris worked for the ABA? interesting he must have an attitude against them, just like me against the PBL,,,by the way you can't read, I have never worked for the ABA and have not had contact with them since Brad H left,
I did figure out why you like the PBL so much...you can do the same thing with them as you did the USFL...from your USFL page
It is my hope that this site will preserve the memory of a great league and help keep the USFL's place in pro football history alive.
USFL and PBL will sure have a lot in common, be happy to sell you my Rockford Fury dress shirt I have, and you can write another book...
PBL - Minor League Basketball Heavan
LOL
If there are more teams that aren't ready or committed to play the season, I hope they close up shop too (or have their shops closed), even if it means the PBL ends up with no more teams than last year. I believe at least one more team won't start the season. I actually think both the CBA and PBL have learned a few lessons from last year and neither want to take additional chances on marginal clubs starting the year. In the CBA's case, they may only end up with 4 or 5 teams, even though they have an option if they choose to bring on a few more. But, that's better than 8 with 3 laying eggs. A little purging, especially when it takes place in the off season (where it should), may be just what these leagues need. The alternative is setting the stage for playing less than 40% of your games. Having said this, my opinion is still that QC is out simply because McGinn is tired of dropping money in, similar to the guys in Minnesota last year. What this will spawn of course are more hard feelings from guys who have lost their gravy train.
Lets get to the facts. You were told by Joe N. that you would be doing the braodcast for the ABA internet games- playon ( a division of turner broadcasting). Of course this never happened. YOU bought everything Joe told you.
As I look in my notes. You also called the PBL and asked to do games. They said NO thank you. Hence your on a roll. SHamefull as your best buddy Joe would say.
On a scale of 1 -100 of which league tells the truth and and is not a con, with 100 being an honest and upfront run league. The score would be as follows.
D-league, CBA and PBL would get 95-100 and the ABA would get a ZERO.
Now I have many other things I can post about your involvement with Rockford, but this is enough to let the readers know that you have an agenda, which of course is self-serving, thats fine, BUT dont think people out there cant find out what your really all about. shamefull just shamefull.
BY the way......... NO need to e-mail Joe your posts about the PBL...LOL. Your trying to hard with someone who cant do a thing for you.
This is enough for now., Ill be watching you radiodavel.......
Paul ... I bet you won't hit him! (Radiodavel) haha
No need to, I'll let his stuff speak for itself. I think Dave's essentially a good, passionate fan who feels he got burned. I don't quite see why he thinks that, other than a couple PBL teams didn't meet his expectations. One or two people from the ABA have eagerly used his angst, and well, here we are.
The problem is that Dave has some good points, but they're lost in the din. Anytime you pull out threadbare conspiracy theories and start attacking people, you end up looking like a nut. Don't expect anyone to listen at that point. As someone said, it is difficult to see how he and a couple others get from Point A (the Quad City situation, for instance) to Point B (the PBL is a worthless league). Yes, teams pulling out before the start of the season is indicative of problems somewhere. The virulent PBL critics would be better off discussing what those problems actually might be, rather than trying to throw the entire league under the bus and attacking anyone they perceive might be supporting it.
BTW, I can't help but comment on the USFL comparison. If the PBL reached the level of the USFL, its life may be brief, but we'd be watching weekly games on ABC and ESPN, the PBL would be playing in major arenas coast to coast and it would start stealing NBA players and several high NBA draft picks, including the college player of the year for the next few years. In a couple decades, we'd be talking about the PBL players who reached the Basketball Hall of Fame. I'd say that would be worthy of a book.
If the PBL is such a great group, why were the majority of the team and league owners a part of the ABA to start with.
Because that's were they all started, some were even on the ABA Board/staff. When you talk about bias look in the mirror and notice that when you are pointing that finger 4 more are pointing back at you when you think about me.
Let's get to the honest point about things.
The ABA ... The Brand, The Product, The Management, The League, etc ... had nothing to do with the success of those teams who moved to the PBL.
There is a lack of, in all respects, mentioned above regarding the current ABA.
The opportunity of gaining entry into Minor League Basketball, was made more attractive by the small ABA market reservation fee $ .
And that's all the current ABA has ever been about ... On the cheap ... and so very expensive at the end (for the teams).
The reason why teams have left, is because the ABA; headed by the current CEO; was the worst run basketball league in North America.
And more importanly ... If it had not been for teams, like the 2 time ABA Champion, Vermont, the ABA would not have had any credibility, visibility, or excitement, whatsoever.
And for the PBL executive, who was; for a short period of time; on the ABA Executive Board, He really never had the chance to help transform the league.
You can thank the current ABA CEO for that!
Is the PBL a perfect league - NO.
But I tell you ... They are worlds apart from the the ABA.
And that's going be an even more important and contributory factor to the potential success of the PBL, than anything else.
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