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Old 09-28-2017, 10:55 PM
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No, a solid second or third level guy has been proven to not really draw crowds in the NASL.

And if they became a rogue league outside of FIFA, their players would not only be able to play for their national teams again (which, for most NASL-level players, is only a pipe dream anyway), they could be barred from ever playing for a FIFA-sanctioned league anywhere in the world.

Which means no matter how well they did in a rogue NASL, they could never go to another league. Not a higher league, not a league in another country, not another American league, not another Canadian league, not the Mexican league, not any league.

People won't watch a league that has no players that are above Sunday league quality, which is what you get when you go rogue.

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Pounder, Lets take a closer look at that inflated model, on the world stage those teams have exactly how many players per team that really are the scorers (one per team) sometimes two the other guys simply run around and play keep away.
Your understanding of the game of soccer is impressive. Do you have a video series or something that people could buy to tap into this vast knowledge?
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Old 09-29-2017, 09:47 AM
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Your understanding of the game of soccer is impressive. Do you have a video series or something that people could buy to tap into this vast knowledge? (Sam Hill)

Every soccer fan does not drink the kool- aid, wait you mean the games really complicated the 3-4-4 formation opposed to a 4-4-3 and by the way lets play keep away while we're at it the fans will never figure that out.

It's like watching Alabama (Roll Tide) playing a cover 1 match up and you being told by a talking head they are using something no one else knows, Saban has used the coverage everywhere he's coached.

If the NASL wasn't using a model simply to sell players through (player development contracts) then who says they need 10,000 attending games.

That's all I'm saying, players can still sign with teams simply because the team will sign free agent potential talent and offer it an opportunity to advance through the level's of it's system.

All of these smaller leagues have a leadership void, in as if they accepted what the league really is then you could build a proper operating system to break even on it, currently they have sponsors and draw within the same attendance numbers as minor league affiliated baseball teams in many situations.

They are shooting themselves in the foot by setting up top heavy operating systems.

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Old 09-29-2017, 03:40 PM
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In the past, the threat of being branded an outlaw league has brought some leagues in line with FIFA.
FIFA threatened the original NASL with an outlaw designation simply because it didn't like the league's experiment with the offside rule (it put in a line 35 yards from each end line and said a player can't be offside unless he is inside that line). The league changed the rule back.
If US Soccer slaps the outlaw designation on the NASL, the only players the league could get would be those who wouldn't care if they were blackballed for the rest of their career, meaning guys who know they are about done or guys who just don't care in the first place and want that shot at "the big time" (remember those great MLB and NFL replacement players).
This is where it could get tricky.
If the NASL got blackballed by US Soccer, it would have a much stronger case in US courts for an anti-trust suit. But then US Soccer find itself between a rock (the US Courts, who would make them allow the NASL to do what it wants) and a hard place (FIFA, which would force US Soccer to continue to blackball the NASL). US courts would have no jurisdiction over FIFA for obvious reasons. FIFA would only have to answer to the CAS (where the Cosmos and FC Miami owners already have a suit against the MLS because they won't let the Cosmos or FC Miami play in the MLS without paying the same $$$ as everybody else in the league has to cough up, or have to play in the same types of stadiums).
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I should add, FIFA itself has threatened the NCAA, NAIA, NJCAA and the California Community College Athletic Association with an outlaw designation over the college substitution and timing rules (NCAA and NAIA allows an unlimited number of subs in a game and re-entry in the second half and keeps official time on the clock, the junior colleges allow unlimited substitution and re-entry), but has never followed through, mainly because US Soccer has protected college soccer.
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Old 09-30-2017, 04:10 PM
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From the NASL's lawyer:

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“That is not an option,” Kessler said. “As all of you know in the soccer community, you will not be able to attract the best players, in an unsanctioned league through FIFA. You will not be able to engage in player transfers. You’re not going to be able to play in FIFA competitions or any of the regional competitions on a club basis. Fans, sponsors, broadcasters will not give you creditability if you do not have a FIFA sanction. So no, there is no possible consideration of playing without sanction. It is not a viable strategy.”
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That is not an option,” Kessler said. “As all of you know in the soccer community, you will not be able to attract the best players, in an unsanctioned league through FIFA. You will not be able to engage in player transfers. You’re not going to be able to play in FIFA competitions or any of the regional competitions on a club basis. Fans, sponsors, broadcasters will not give you creditability if you do not have a FIFA sanction. So no, there is no possible consideration of playing without sanction. It is not a viable strategy.”

The strategy here is play up the challenge associated with this fight should the league move forward. The lowly NASL will have, ah the suffering the league will endure, he simply is staging the message.
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Old 10-02-2017, 12:02 AM
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One of the benefits in being in a lower league in American soccer, as opposed to any other sport, is access to the US Open Cup.

Giving up that possible home game against NY or KC or LA... not the smartest idea. That's often a serious money game.

The counter to this is that NASL teams haven't even fared as well in the cup in recent years as the USL. That threatened to not include Miami FC this year, but they lost against, of all teams, Cincinnati.

I'm reminded that it was this NASL that wanted the divisional sanctioning in the first place. Eh, what else is new.
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Giving up that possible home game against NY or KC or LA... not the smartest idea. That's often a serious money game.
Sporting KC played all of their cup games except one at home. And the road game was at Houston.
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Sporting KC played all of their cup games except one at home. And the road game was at Houston.
Home team is now decided by coin flips (the old bidding process is supposedly gone). What I'm saying is there's a chance.

The issue with the cup is that luck-of-the-draw situation. There is something of a benefit to the home team in a one-off situation, whereas getting a draw in the FA Cup in England means a replay at the other team's home.

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I should note that the lawsuit is changing a couple things about the USL's application for permanent 2nd division status. I'll get a couple details on the USL page.
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