Stop hurting indoor football, Gene and Joe

[exit322]

When will you do something to help the sport? Simple question. Your antics with the AIFA board and on here reflect poorly not only on the AIFA, but on the sport as a whole. Yes, I realize, you two never do anything wrong, and it's your AIFA against the world.

Except for the minor detail that "um, it's not." Especially on this board, there's a very healthy mix of people that care not only about whatever specific league they're affilliated with, but the sport as a whole. Except you two. The AIFA is all that, and everything else is total crap beneath your feet. Do you even realize that your attitude, your actions, and everything you say is a 100% reflection on the league you are officially affilliated with?

I couldn't care less if you call me slow. I'm not sure why you think special needs people are that funny, but attacks against me don't bother me. They do, however, make the AIFA look like a bush league. The fact that Mink & Morris have done nothing to corral you guys reflects poorly on the league.

There are IFL team owners and IFL associates on these boards and other boards, and you never see them attacking other posters.

You never see CIFL associates attacking other posters (since the league made a stand and got Keller to calm down).

You never see UIF associates attacking other posters.

Heck, you don't even see APFL associates attacking other posters. In fact, the APFL...the league that's openly semiprofessional in some markets, is far far far far far more professional than the way you two act.

You make the sport a mockery, and it saddens me. I've not had more fun at a sporting event than I have at indoor football games. Granted, the spot of my best memories no longer has the sport, but that point is moot. You two are doing more to ruin the sport than most owners that don't pay anyone do. And it makes me sick.

[rams80]

It's ok....if Global were to stage a coup d'etat, Joe and Gene would most likely be politely asked to cease and desist/stop being the league's media department.

[exit322]

It's ok....if Global were to stage a coup d'etat, Joe and Gene would most likely be politely asked to cease and desist/stop being the league's media department.

Like I've said elsewhere, Global executing a takeover of the AIFA would change things there, and not for the worse.

[hawkeye]

I must not know Gene and Joe too well because these guys have always been a class act when I have talked with them. They have put in a ton of time into developing their sites from what I have seen.

I would say anyone busting their tail and getting very little in return is good for the sport.

[exit322]

I must not know Gene and Joe too well because these guys have always been a class act when I have talked with them. They have put in a ton of time into developing their sites from what I have seen.

I would say anyone busting their tail and getting very little in return is good for the sport.

Not sure I'd go that far, Poore...Jim Terry never got much out of the sport, and I know he busted his butt (no, really, he did). Not saying Joe and Gene are that bad...but their antics don't help the sport any more than Jimbo's.

And to reply to Gene's comment on the AIFL boards...Gene, Gene, Gene...if man/myth/legend started a thread saying you were ruining the AIFA, he would be only somewhat correct. You're not ruining the AIFA, but you are making it look like it's a step-and-a-half below the APFL. I realize, though, if you question anything M&M do publicly, you'd lose your self-deemed importance in the league, even though it'd be the right thing to do. And there's no way on God's Green Earth that either you or Joe are interested in losing whatever power you think you have.

Unless you actually think they're doing nothing wrong. Which is nuts.

Like Dan Ryan said (elsewhere, and I'll add to it here)...you're both good fans. A little power hungry and totally missing the entire point of trying to help the league and sport...but good fans. Hopefully some day you'll realize that good fans sometimes have to ask "what the hell are you doing?!!" and publicly, when you do have the "boss's" contact info. Won't always work, and if they shut you out...it's a sign that you really aren't important to the league anyways.

That's a great reason to plop the $100 you'd have spent on the Express/RiverFreeze on hockey ducats. Or baseball ducats. Or your IRA.

[gonzo13]

Animal farm is on my list of personal favorites....

[exit322]

To bring back a really old post...Gene and Joe meant well, and no one really denied that. But they finally figured out that the AIFA didn't have their backs when they had the AIFA's.

When you try too hard to help someone that doesn't want help, it will bite you...and it looks like the two of them finally felt it. Now they're doing what's actually important: worrying about helping their teams. The leagues by and large don't want help (whether or not they need it, which many do), and when the AIFA had an opportunity to make a public statement in the defense of two guys that put a lot of their heart and soul into helping the AIFA, they said nothing.

Well, except for calling the Reading office when Gene complimented the CIFL's oft-faulty online radio setup...no, really...the AIFA has the audacity to complain to a fan's team office when he so much as compliments what another league did. Any league should love to have dedicated fans like those two, and all the AIFA could do was ***** and moan when one of them so much as said "hey, someone else has a pretty good setup there."

Stop hurting indoor football, Gene and Joe? They did. Now the ball's in the AIFA's court. And they've already fumbled it. The AIFA has become the NIFL.

[Jamie]

Josh,

I have no idea what you are talking about here....

quotes?

links?

[Sykotyk]

The AIFAFANS officially became an 'unofficial board' of the AIFA. The league has now setup their own and are proceeding to mass delete negative posts on their new official board.

Go on AIFAFANS.com if you want to read about the comments about M&M/Reading/Gene. He claims they (M&/orM) called the Reading office to complain about Gene giving the CIFL a compliment on the AIFAFANS.com message board.

Sykotyk

[Tatonka]

Easier said than done... most of us have been banned from that forum, lol.

[rams80]

The AIFAFANS officially became an 'unofficial board' of the AIFA. The league has now setup their own and are proceeding to mass delete negative posts on their new official board.

Go on AIFAFANS.com if you want to read about the comments about M&M/Reading/Gene. He claims they (M&/orM) called the Reading office to complain about Gene giving the CIFL a compliment on the AIFAFANS.com message board.

Sykotyk

It's the bad old days of the NIFL all over again.

[exit322]

It is. The AIFA is the NIFL circa 2005. It's not '06 or '07 level yet, though that could change.

This just proves the statement that's always been true: Support your team if it deserves it. They'll make the right decisions if they're run correctly.

[preeths]

Hopefully cooler heads prevail on both sides. Leagues need all the passionate fans they can get.

[mel3476]

Hopefully cooler heads prevail on both sides. Leagues need all the passionate fans they can get.

They certainly do - and this league in particular. Unfortunately, all of the passionate ones are not very happy at the league right now.

I am not sure if there was a signature moment before this, but if not, this is definitely it. The league is in a decline, and perhaps they may never recover from it. For the fans sake, the league will recover, but it does not look good right now due to this and likely other things going on...

[xmradiodave]

The AIFAFANS officially became an 'unofficial board' of the AIFA. The league has now setup their own and are proceeding to mass delete negative posts on their new official board.

Go on AIFAFANS.com if you want to read about the comments about M&M/Reading/Gene. He claims they (M&/orM) called the Reading office to complain about Gene giving the CIFL a compliment on the AIFAFANS.com message board.

Sykotyk

Mass deleting negative posts? Really? I hardly ever post here and when I do it is never spin. I deleted ONE post by user: malepig. Before you announce that mass deletions are taking place, how about simply asking me how many posts I have deleted. I will be more than happy to tell you. I have no problems with you Sykotyk, but this post of yours in completely inaccurate and intentionally fabricated.

[rams80]

Mass deleting negative posts? Really? I hardly ever post here and when I do it is never spin. I deleted ONE post by user: malepig. Before you announce that mass deletions are taking place, how about simply asking me how many posts I have deleted. I will be more than happy to tell you. I have no problems with you Sykotyk, but this post of yours in completely inaccurate and intentionally fabricated.

How many other moderators are there?

[exit322]

Mass deleting negative posts? Really? I hardly ever post here and when I do it is never spin. I deleted ONE post by user: malepig. Before you announce that mass deletions are taking place, how about simply asking me how many posts I have deleted. I will be more than happy to tell you. I have no problems with you Sykotyk, but this post of yours in completely inaccurate and intentionally fabricated.

I'll say to you what I said to Joe and Gene awhile back. I hope you're being monetarily compensated for the work you're doing for the league.

I know you're not, but I hope you are.

[xmradiodave]

How many other moderators are there?

No other moderators. There is the site administrator, but he does not delete posts. I just checked the logs and there is only one deleted comment. That was made by me.

Exit... I am taken care of for my work with the league. I am not looking to make money for moderating a few message boards. So far, my phone has not been ringing off the hook by the league telling me to remove posts.

The one post I deleted was done so because it was made with the sole purpose of trying to bait an argument. I messaged the gentleman and explained to him the reason it was removed. He obviously did not agree with it, but at least he understands where I am coming from.

There are different sites available for fans to talk about AIFA football. All of them are moderated differently and have different members with different tastes in conversation. Some sites want to discuss all the negative stuff and some sites like to focus on the positive stuff and discuss the football aspect of the league.

Discussing issues and flaws with the league is okay. I have discussed my feelings of the SimplyMe fiasco on the new site as have a few others. It is being discussed tactfully and respectfully. Opinions were offered on how the league should proceed in getting the product out there to the fans. There is some criticism, but at the same time it is civil.

We are not trying to replace OSC or AIFAFANS. I do not mention AIFAFANS in a negative fashion on the league site. In fact, quite the contrary. I complimented them on their efforts of putting into place a fan broadcasting network that works very well.

All I am doing is keeping a clean house. If you want to discuss the league, all I ask is to simply offer more than M&M bashing. Since they own the site, I have to remove those comments. Those types of comments offer nothing to civil discussions anyway.

I will not go on a bashing spree on ANY site. I will not spread defamatory comments about Gene and Joe, and any such comments made on the league site will be removed. I do wish that courtesy would be returned, but it is not. So on AIFAFANS I am a tool and a douche bag. That is fine. They are entitled to say what ever they want.

In closing, there is room on this place we call the internet for all types of message boards. Some like the controversy and some like to have a little more light-hearted atmosphere. OSC and AIFAFANS can be the Howard Stern of the internet, while the new site can be theEasy Listening station of the internet. I know; horrible comparison, but it was the best I could come up with on such short notice.

[preeths]

I'd hardly refer to OSC's boards as Howard Stern-like. I don't know how the other guys moderate their boards, but we have rules here that users are expected to follow. We're certainly not easy listening, though, and are beholden to no league. That's always been the strength of these boards. It's not a free-for-all, but a wide variety of opinions and views are welcome. Leagues and teams are invited to participate.

[xmradiodave]

I'd hardly refer to OSC's boards as Howard Stern-like. I don't know how the other guys moderate their boards, but we have rules here that users are expected to follow. We're certainly not easy listening, though, and are beholden to no league. That's always been the strength of these boards. It's not a free-for-all, but a wide variety of opinions and views are welcome. Leagues and teams are invited to participate.

Rest assured that my post was not made to imply anything of the such. I was not implying that it is the wild west show here or on AIFAFANS. Hence my closing statement that it was a horrible analogy. I do apologize if my comment came off as stating that you do not have guidelines.

Cheers!

[cRUSHer]

I deleted ONE post by user: malepig.

a name ... that will live ... in infamy.


:lol:

[xmradiodave]

a name ... that will live ... in infamy.


:lol:

Really? I had a run in with the man on the Florida Stingrays site. Other than that I am not to familiar with him. Anyhow, we had a conversation. He is a bit abbrasive and egotistical, and I still do not get the warm fuzzies from him, but I think we cleard the air a bit. Until next time... :D

[exit322]

Just make sure the AIFA doesn't do anything stupid, and Sterling won't go questioning what needs it.

Most of the people that see the AIFA for what it really is (NIFL redux) aren't going to waste their times on a board that will be more heavily moderated than what even Joe and Gene did on the AIFAFans board. I don't fault you for making the league look scared of the truth coming out (because that's all excessive board moderation does...hm, what are they hiding?), but you'll get burned. If Joe and Gene...fans far better towards their league than any I've seen...get burned by the AIFA, you'll be thrown by the wayside when the opportunity presents itself.

[xmradiodave]

Just make sure the AIFA doesn't do anything stupid, and Sterling won't go questioning what needs it.

Most of the people that see the AIFA for what it really is (NIFL redux) aren't going to waste their times on a board that will be more heavily moderated than what even Joe and Gene did on the AIFAFans board. I don't fault you for making the league look scared of the truth coming out (because that's all excessive board moderation does...hm, what are they hiding?), but you'll get burned. If Joe and Gene...fans far better towards their league than any I've seen...get burned by the AIFA, you'll be thrown by the wayside when the opportunity presents itself.

If I am "thrown by the wayside", oh well, shame on me I guess. I am an adult who has had to handle far greater problems in my life than moderating a football message board. So getting "burned" is not a huge concern to me. If I am going to be called names for doing the exact same thing Joe and Gene had to do when their site was the official site, then so be it. Double standards are part of the territory. Gene and Joe were beat up pretty good by people when they were having to close and delete threads. If it makes them feel better attacking me on their site, then I am glad I can help with their healing process.

[gonzo13]

....GET PAID!

If the league isn't writing you a check, get paid somehow. Freelance writing broadcasting, sell sponsorship ,do something at the games or elswhere to get paid, or atleast to market yourself.

Joe and Gene were "taken care of" at one point too. Remember, they were the rockstars at the AIFA championship game last season, now they're the step kids.

You're phone isn't ringing with orders to delete posts yet, because you haven't built a poster base big enough to warrant it. But if/when it does get big enough, you will be asked to delete posts. It happened on AIFAfans,it happnes on other boards, it will happen to you.

Lastly, it's probably not a good idea to try to come on a neutral board like this and try to stick up for the league. Talk about the goings on in the league, or what happened at a game, just don't get involved in threads like this. I know it's tough to just watch it, but if you try to jump in and tell 10 people they're wrong, you'll be dragged down with the league. Just do a good job on your board and people will respect you, and not make things personal towards you.

Anyway.....Those are just a few words of advice from somebody who has been there and done it.

[exit322]

It'll fall on deaf ears. "That happened to them, it can't happen to me."

Okay. We'll still be here when you figure out you've been duped.

[xmradiodave]

Well Exit, I said I am not worried about it happening to me. So when you put something in quotes and it was not actually said, that is a bit of a spin job. That is not even the approach I am taking on the subject. As for getting paid (responding to Gonzo) to be a moderator on a website, that is kind of silly. Do the moderators get a check here? Do they get a check on aifafans? I know the moderators on the Baltimore Ravens website are not paid, and on other NFL affiliated websites as well.

Lastly, coming onto a site like this to defend the league? I am simply stating my point of view. I am not telling ANYONE they are wrong. That has not come up in any of my posts. By all means, have your opinions. I have respected yours, whether I agree or not. Please show me one post on here where I have behaved in a manner less than respectful to anyone. If I am being vilified for only my affiliation with the AIFA, that speaks volumes about the character of those lashing out at me.

I will be just fine. Thank you for the words of advice, they are noted.

[rams80]

In closing, there is room on this place we call the internet for all types of message boards. Some like the controversy and some like to have a little more light-hearted atmosphere. OSC and AIFAFANS can be the Howard Stern of the internet, while the new site can be theEasy Listening station of the internet. I know; horrible comparison, but it was the best I could come up with on such short notice.

I think the "Pravda" of the Internet would be a good description of this, or any other league-run board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

[xmradiodave]

I think the "Pravda" of the Internet would be a good description of this, or any other league-run board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

Hmmm. Ok. I respect your opinion. Obviously the intention of any league that runs a board will be to benefit said league. My point was ultimately this: Why so much uproar over a league run message board? It may not be idealistic to you or other people. That is why there are alternatives that are not under any control of leagues. The point remains, there is room for everyone on the internet to co-exist. Maybe I have horse blinders on, but I really do not see why people are so concerned over this.

Some sites, and I am not going to finger point, have become so obsessed and consumed with hatred, that there are 4 or 5 threads dedicated to lashing out at the league message board and me personally for deleting one post (which through the power of urban legend, now has the number of posts removed as mass deletions).

Like I said though, I am not here to win the hearts and minds of the people. I am just here to give my opinion. We can all agree to disagree.

[gonzo13]

Well Exit, I said I am not worried about it happening to me. So when you put something in quotes and it was not actually said, that is a bit of a spin job. That is not even the approach I am taking on the subject. As for getting paid (responding to Gonzo) to be a moderator on a website, that is kind of silly. Do the moderators get a check here? Do they get a check on aifafans? I know the moderators on the Baltimore Ravens website are not paid, and on other NFL affiliated websites as well.

Lastly, coming onto a site like this to defend the league? I am simply stating my point of view. I am not telling ANYONE they are wrong. That has not come up in any of my posts. By all means, have your opinions. I have respected yours, whether I agree or not. Please show me one post on here where I have behaved in a manner less than respectful to anyone. If I am being vilified for only my affiliation with the AIFA, that speaks volumes about the character of those lashing out at me.

I will be just fine. Thank you for the words of advice, they are noted.


No Dave, I don't mean you should get paid for running a messageboard......That wouldbe silly. I meant that you should get paid for all of the crap that you're going to have to endure. Because there is a certain amount of garbage that goes along with being a leagues mouthpiece.

No you have not come out and said anyone is wrong, nor have you been less than respectful to anyone. Those were words of warning....You know, "hey, don't do this." I wasn't accusing you of anything, just warning against a few things. I'm not trying to vilify you, more like extend an olive branch....Don't be so defensive ;)

[xmradiodave]

No Dave, I don't mean you should get paid for running a messageboard......That wouldbe silly. I meant that you should get paid for all of the crap that you're going to have to endure. Because there is a certain amount of garbage that goes along with being a leagues mouthpiece.

No you have not come out and said anyone is wrong, nor have you been less than respectful to anyone. Those were words of warning....You know, "hey, don't do this." I wasn't accusing you of anything, just warning against a few things. I'm not trying to vilify you, more like extend an olive branch....Don't be so defensive ;)

I did not say your name Gonzo. I am speaking in generics. I am not being defensive. It's all good in my opinion. If i feel that there is too much "crap" involved with doing what I do, I will easily walk away. I am not being a mouthpiece for the league. I like this league, but more importantly that the league, it is about the team I support. I just like going to the games. I feel I am getting my monies worth.

[gonzo13]

I did not say your name Gonzo. I am speaking in generics. I am not being defensive. It's all good in my opinion. If i feel that there is too much "crap" involved with doing what I do, I will easily walk away. I am not being a mouthpiece for the league. I like this league, but more importantly that the league, it is about the team I support. I just like going to the games. I feel I am getting my monies worth.

Uh, yes you did say my name in your last post....But I know what you mean ;)

And while you may not intend to be the mouthpiece for the league, thats how many people will percieve you, just like they did Gene and Joe, and Jerry Hewitt of the NIFL and myself when I was in your shoes. When something goes wrong, you'll be the one people come to first for answers.

Anyway.....You're a big boy, I just don't want you to be surprised when all of these people that are trying to advice you turn out to be right.

[rams80]

Hmmm. Ok. I respect your opinion. Obviously the intention of any league that runs a board will be to benefit said league. My point was ultimately this: Why so much uproar over a league run message board? It may not be idealistic to you or other people. That is why there are alternatives that are not under any control of leagues. The point remains, there is room for everyone on the internet to co-exist. Maybe I have horse blinders on, but I really do not see why people are so concerned over this.


As advanced elsewhere, this league currently looks a lot like the 2005 NIFL. Said 2005 NIFL had a league run board. Said league run board fell victim to an increasing amount of official censorship as the fecal matter hit the ventilator in multiple markets. I believe some folks still don't look fondly upon the then admin and media director today, even though he was essentially doing his job.

Leagues tend to dislike having their teams' dirty off the field laundry broadcast on an official message board where investors can read about these things and decide not to invest.

(Ironically, the arena family boards are sort of the opposite of this...the moderators act in full "moral guardian" mode, but let deliberately malicious and possibly/probably untrue posting about prominent league front office types slide.)

[rams80]

So...after reading select threads at Joe and Gene's board....

I am shocked. And disgusted. Attention M&M (if you even read here) Joe and Gene went to bat for you and your chicken*bleep* tinpot little league on this board time and again, and you repay them by...well...somehow "throwing them under the bus" is an understatement. Your Balmer sockpuppets need to stop, now. I don't think the Niffle ever went this far in the d*ck move department.

Congratulations M&M, I hope you're proud of yourselves. You are officially in uncharted territory in regards to poor fan-league relations. You have done the (formerly) impossible. You have trumped the NIFL.

In conclusion M&M....
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