Utah is officially in!!

[GoCavs1]

AIFA Awards Franchise To Utah For 2008


BALTIMORE, Maryland (December 3, 2007) – The AIFA's Western Expansion continued today, as the American Indoor Football Association awarded a franchise to Utah for the 2008 season. The team will be known as the Utah Saints.

The Saints will play their home games at the famed Utah Olympic Oval, located 25 miles southwest of Salt Lake City in Kearns, Utah. The facility hosted speed skating competition at the 2002 Winter Olympic Games and boasted the “fastest ice on Earth.” Ten Olympic or world records were broken there during the Games. The arena's capacity will be increased to 2,500 for AIFA competition.

The ownership group for the franchise is headed by CEO Michael Curran, who has considerable indoor football experience through his involvement with the Utah Indoor Football League.

“We have been working 'round the clock to cross our T's and dot our I's in preparation for joining the AIFA West,” said Curran. “This is an exciting time for us! We have a large pool of talent all around us, mainly in the Utah Division I schools.

“We know the kind of talent that Wyoming (Cavalry, a member of the AIFA West) puts on the field, and we intend to be competitive. The Saints will be composed of men with the greatest integrity, both on and off the field.”

“We are pleased to welcome the Utah Saints ownership group to the AIFA,” said AIFA co-founder John Morris. “They are a great addition to our ongoing Western expansion. We are also very fortunate to have such a unique venue – rich in history and resources – available for the Saints.”

The addition of the Saints bring another significant television market into the AIFA fold. Salt Lake City is the 35th largest television market in the country, with approximately 840,000 television homes

[Minor League Man]

Hope they don't get sued for copyright infringement, because the Utah Saints are a techno band from the UK:

http://www.utahsaints.com

[mel3476]

I am not so sure what the excitement about being in another large television market. That same market already has an AFL team that is actually in Salt Lake City. And has a real television deal. And is made up of a real team, not an all-star team of recreational players.

[preeths]

Here is an old bio on Mr. Curran, circa 1997, when Curran owned the Utah Catzz of the Proffessional Indoor Football League, the first non-Arena indoor league.

Michael Curran is the founder, owner, and general manager of the Utah Catzz Professional Football team. Utah's newest professional franchise was introduced at a press conference on Wednesday October 29th, 1997, Mr. Curran has a great background in football. He played semi-pro football as a quarterback for the Utah Vikings in the Wasatch Football League, leading them to the Wasatch Football League title. Incidently, not only did he play quarterback, but he was the coach and the owner!


Michael later became the Commissioner and a charter member of the American Football Association with over 300 semi-pro teams and 15,000 members nationwide. Defensive Tackle Eric Swann of the Arizona cardinals came out of the American Football Association to play in the NFL.


Aside from football, Mr. Curran has been quite successful in business. As corporate trainer for Smith's Management Grocery Stores, he was responsible for over 200 stores.


Michael and his wife, Carla, own one of the fastest growing telemarketing businesses in the country. O'Currance Telemarketing is based out of Salt Lake City, Utah.


Volunteer work has been an important part of his life. he has served as Vice President of Public Relations of the Intermountain Division of the Muscular Dystrophy Association, and is currently serving as a board member with the muscular dystrophy committee on the corporate public relations board.


In addition to bringing professional football to Utah, Michael is building the Utah Catzz' first farm club, the Salt Lake Lions. This semi-pro football team will help talented athletes improve their skills to become members of Utah's premier professional football team. Michael will also serve as owner of the Salt Lake Lions.

[exit322]

Didn't the Catzz make it like 4 games before folding?

[rams80]

Hope they don't get sued for copyright infringement, because the Utah Saints are a techno band from the UK:

http://www.utahsaints.com

Somehow I think that will be the least of their problems.

[From The Beginning]

This is an old bio on Mr. Curran pulled off the Utah Indoor Football League website from their 2006 season. www.eteamz.com/uifl

"Michael Curran, Founder/Pres. of the UIFL. Inducted into the Minor League Football Hall of Fame in 2004. First Player,Coach,Executive in Utah to be inducted into the Minor League Football Hall of Fame. Mr. Curran is also now one of the board members on the Minor League Football Hall of Fame. Mr Curran was one of the founders of the PIFL and owner of the first professional Indoor/Arena football franchise in the state of the Utah, (Utah Catzz of the PIFL). Former owner of the Utah Lyonzz of the USIFL out of Las Vegas. Founder and first commissioner of the UFL (semi-pro outdoor league). Former owner/coach and quarterback of the Utah Vikings, he led his team to the WFL (semi-pro outdoor league) Championship title in '96. Former head coach for a youth team in the UTE football conference. Oldest walk-on QB at age 39 for the University of Utah in 95/96. 04/05 Offensive Coordinator of the Kamas Valley Muddogs in the UIFL. Now at age 50, Mr Curran is now building a new team (The Salt Lake Swarm) for the UIFL 2006/7 season, and will make his final comeback as starting QB/Coach/Owner. Mr. Curran is beleived to be the oldest active quarterback in Professional and Minor League Arena/Indoor football history".

[preeths]

If memory serves, the Catzz played all but their final game, against Madison, I believe. Here's a little page on the Catzz: http://www.oursportscentral.com/footballhistory/football/?t_id=1763

[Tatonka]

Seriously, the Catzz and the Lyonzz?

I guess we should all just be thankful the AIFA team ain't the Saintzz.

[BananaCat]

Didn't the Catzz make it like 4 games before folding?
Utah went 5-8 in games played. Their last game was a forfeit which brought their total record to 5-9.

Minnesota played 4 games on the field before folding (going 1-3). The rest of their games were forfeits. The only win they had was later taken away by the league, so they ended up 0-14.

[BananaCat]

If memory serves, the Catzz played all but their final game, against Madison, I believe. Here's a little page on the Catzz: http://www.oursportscentral.com/footballhistory/football/?t_id=1763

Great site, thanks.

[BananaCat]

This is an old bio on Mr. Curran pulled off the Utah Indoor Football League website from their 2006 season. www.eteamz.com/uifl

"Michael Curran, Founder/Pres. of the UIFL. Inducted into the Minor League Football Hall of Fame in 2004. First Player,Coach,Executive in Utah to be inducted into the Minor League Football Hall of Fame. Mr. Curran is also now one of the board members on the Minor League Football Hall of Fame. Mr Curran was one of the founders of the PIFL and owner of the first professional Indoor/Arena football franchise in the state of the Utah, (Utah Catzz of the PIFL). Former owner of the Utah Lyonzz of the USIFL out of Las Vegas. Founder and first commissioner of the UFL (semi-pro outdoor league). Former owner/coach and quarterback of the Utah Vikings, he led his team to the WFL (semi-pro outdoor league) Championship title in '96. Former head coach for a youth team in the UTE football conference. Oldest walk-on QB at age 39 for the University of Utah in 95/96. 04/05 Offensive Coordinator of the Kamas Valley Muddogs in the UIFL. Now at age 50, Mr Curran is now building a new team (The Salt Lake Swarm) for the UIFL 2006/7 season, and will make his final comeback as starting QB/Coach/Owner. Mr. Curran is beleived to be the oldest active quarterback in Professional and Minor League Arena/Indoor football history".
Did he play in the UIFL 2006/7 season? Pretty brave to play contact football at 50 years of age.

[From The Beginning]

Yes Mr Curran did play in the UIFL 06/07 season. He went 5-0 and in one of his wins he received UIFL weekly MVP honors.

Then in his 6th game he took a hellish hit half way through the game, it took him out of the game. He was latter rushed to the hospital with a ruptured pancreas, broken rib and a bruised lung, he almost died in the hospital, he spent 11 days in the hospital, then months of recovery.

Brave or stupid? I guess only he could answer that?

[BananaCat]

Yes Mr Curran did play in the UIFL 06/07 season. He went 5-0 and in one of his wins he received UIFL weekly MVP honors.

Then in his 6th game he took a hellish hit half way through the game, it took him out of the game. He was latter rushed to the hospital with a ruptured pancreas, broken rib and a bruised lung, he almost died in the hospital, he spent 11 days in the hospital, then months of recovery.

Brave or stupid? I guess only he could answer that?

He's very lucky. I was just in the Middle Eastern Desert and we had someone who had his pancreas go bad and he died two days later. He was in his late 20's.

[From The Beginning]

Wyoming Calvary has the first look at the Utah Saints Logo:

http://www.wyomingcavalry.com/NewsEvents/2008/Utah.htm#UTAH%20SAINTS%20RELEASE%20LOGO%20-%20Congratulations!

[The Man, The Myth]

http://www.wyomingcavalry.com/NewsEvents/2008/UtahSaints_logo_trans.jpg

Uh ... I don't like it.

[Minor League Man]

http://www.wyomingcavalry.com/NewsEvents/2008/UtahSaints_logo_trans.jpg

Uh ... I don't like it.
Me neither...It's so...blah. (They could at LEAST put an emblem on the shield!)

I mean, I could make it myself using Paint! (which they probably did)

[Geoff]

Its a little too advanced to use just Paint. They probably had to use Word for the gradient and had to use WordArt to get the curvature on the name. lol

[exit322]

Utah went 5-8 in games played. Their last game was a forfeit which brought their total record to 5-9.

Minnesota played 4 games on the field before folding (going 1-3). The rest of their games were forfeits. The only win they had was later taken away by the league, so they ended up 0-14.

Okay, I knew it was one of those. Thanks for the clarification.

[Tatonka]

Yeah, wow... that logo is straight out of Word or Publisher, lol. Took me five minutes to re-create it...

But the West is OK everyone. M&M know what they're doing, and this Utah team has had months of prep time leading up to now.

And this is the logo they came up with, sheesh.

[From The Beginning]

Mr. Curran did not like the way the logo turned out either, he sent it back to be redrawn with his own ideas. We shall see what they come up with??

[GoCavs1]

Well it's the beginning of a logo which to me is understandable. I'm sure they will change it more than once in the future

[TheHulk]

Seriously, the Catzz and the Lyonzz?

I guess we should all just be thankful the AIFA team ain't the Saintzz.

I used to live in Salt Lake City. Yes, I lived there on purpose. LOL They are not really creative with nicknames out there. About the only nicknames that makes since with the teams out there is the Buzz AAA team(the state symbol is a beehive) and the University of Utah Utes (Utes are the indigenous tribe out there) other than that it's one lame nickname after another. I mean Jazz, Starzz, Catzz, Freezze, etc. Yes, the Utah Saints' record label might have a say on that issue.

[TheHulk]

Me neither...It's so...blah. (They could at LEAST put an emblem on the shield!)

I mean, I could make it myself using Paint! (which they probably did)

This logo should tell you what type of operation this team will have. I'll be surprised if they last the whole season. Totally looks like a cut and paste PrintShop 5.0 logo. LAME is too nice a word to describe it.

[From The Beginning]

After the 2008 season is over with and the Utah Saints have been successful, we are going to hunt down everyone of you that have been so unfair and negative and make you eat a huge amount of CROW!!!!

Is your life so miserable that you have to attack everyones effort to create something good? What have you done in your life that you can be proud of or have given time and money to help support someones dream???

How does tearing down an organization or person on a message board give you a feeling of accomplishment??

These are serious questions you need to ask yourself! I think serious help is needed for a person that goes through life this way!

I sincerely hope you find help and can turn your life around in the building of something good.

[preeths]

Um, I think most of the concern is about the logo and the late start this team is getting. No need to take it personally.

[Pounder]

After the 2008 season is over with and the Utah Saints have been successful, we are going to hunt down everyone of you that have been so unfair and negative and make you eat a huge amount of CROW!!!!


Ooooh. Ooooh! Hunt me down first! I only live in Boise. I'm not too far. I also figure I can handle crow with some pesto.

Please tell me you're NOT affiliated with the organization. Please.

I have every right to make judgments based on every banal piece of criteria under the sun to determine if I WOULD WANT TO BUY A TICKET. It's my money until I give it away. It's the organization's job to try to sell those tickets, and it's my job to laugh you off for lackluster efforts on one hand, or trying to shame people into silence on the other... and I'm saying this making an assumption that you might be connected to the organization based on the odds.

As snippy and downright silly- and worse- as message boards can get, the basic rule is not to fall into the trap. You should be able to count on detractors on a message board as predictably as sunrise and sunset. I offer the opinion that the organization that dares to enter this fray should always be acting as if they actually care to sell a ticket.

[rams80]

After the 2008 season is over with and the Utah Saints have been successful, we are going to hunt down everyone of you that have been so unfair and negative and make you eat a huge amount of CROW!!!!

1) That's going to be hard...I'm not in Greencastle during the summer.

2) What if we're right?

Is your life so miserable that you have to attack everyones effort to create something good? What have you done in your life that you can be proud of or have given time and money to help support someones dream???

How do we know that this will be "good" and not another addition to the indoor football graveyard. I will only support people's dreams if they demonstrate that they have learned from the mistakes of others.

How does tearing down an organization or person on a message board give you a feeling of accomplishment??

The vain hope that someone will actually listen and learn.

These are serious questions you need to ask yourself! I think serious help is needed for a person that goes through life this way!

I'll admit to being cynical. If you want pollyannish backslapping, though, with zero dissent, I suggest you go to the AIFA fan boards.

I sincerely hope you find help and can turn your life around in the building of something good.

*deleted by moderator for defeatism and being an old lady*

[preeths]

As snippy and downright silly- and worse- as message boards can get, the basic rule is not to fall into the trap. You should be able to count on detractors on a message board as predictably as sunrise and sunset. I offer the opinion that the organization that dares to enter this fray should always be acting as if they actually care to sell a ticket.

Couldn't have said it better myself. If you don't have a thick skin, I wouldn't visit message boards.

[Kou]

The Utah Logo Returns now with more Thumbtacks, err swords and mountains!

http://www.aifaprofootball.com/images/stories/teams/saints-small.gif

Its a shame because there is a solid logo concept there, just really bad execution

Edit: Just noticed they are working their way to the old nifl utah warriors logo

http://www.logoserver.com/football/UtahWarriors5.GIF

[rams80]

OK, I'll bite....does any part of that logo say "Saint" to you?

[Tatonka]

The Utah Logo Returns now with more Thumbtacks, err swords and mountains!

http://www.aifaprofootball.com/images/stories/teams/saints-small.gif

Its a shame because there is a solid logo concept there, just really bad execution

Edit: Just noticed they are working their way to the old nifl utah warriors logo

http://www.logoserver.com/football/UtahWarriors5.GIF

Wow, THAT'S not a blatant ripoff, is it?

[utahstarsticketholder]

From The Begining....take a chill pill! The minor league of any sport is tough to break even and the more "friends" you can gain the easier it will get for your "team".
Calling out folks on this board is a big mistake plus you are acting like the "ten year old" that says meet you out by the dugout after school! Do you mow lawns and own a computer? I digress.
You need to concentrate on helping your team sell tickets, voluteering to help the team be a success.
As for my sports entertainment dollar, it is spent on minor league hockey, minor league baseball and once a year an overpriced Jazz ticket. (Don't get me started about the beer garden prices!)
So if, and I mean if, your "team" plays a game in Kearns this next year, perhaps I will venture on a game day ticket but not season tickets as I have been burned in the past but a minor league basketball team.
Good luck in the future and make freinds not enemies because you will need it if you have a real connection to the "team".
Just my two cents, keep the change. jack
BTW If you want to hunt me down PM me and I will get my grandson to meet you at the dugout! LOL, jack.
BTW He is 13 months!

[mel3476]

In the begining....take a chill pill! The minor league of any sport is tough to break even and the more "friends" you can gain the easier it will get for your "team".
Calling out folks on this board is a big mistake plus you are acting like the "ten year old" that says meet you out by the dugout after school! Do you mow lawns and own a computer? I digress.
You need to concentrate on helping your team sell tickets, voluteering to help the team be a success.
As for my sports entertainment dollar, it is spent on minor league hockey, minor league baseball and once a year an overpriced Jazz ticket. (Don't get me started about the beer garden prices!)
So if, and I mean if, your "team" plays a game in Kearns this next year, perhaps I will venture on a game day ticket but not season tickets as I have been burned in the past but a minor league basketball team.
Good luck in the future and make freinds not enemies because you will need it if you have a real connection to the "team".
Just my two cents, keep the change. jack
BTW If you want to hunt me down PM me and I will get my grandson to meet you at the dugout! LOL, jack.
BTW He is 13 months!

I am not sure if you are mad at those of us who have been critical of the league, those who are big supporters of the league, the team, other sports teams in Utah or something else.

I think a lot of the people who have been posting here have been critical of the league because we feel the league is making a lot of mistakes that other leagues before it has done.

I certainly feel the west division is a huge mistake, because they don't even have their ducks in a row in the east. As I have said time and time again, this west division will be a significant drain on the league, because if this division is going to stay afloat even this upcoming season, it will require significant league resources for it to happen.

[utahstarsticketholder]

That last post was for "From The Begining" not "In The Begining". I was pointing out that minor league sports has many challenges that revolve around money! From the begining was chripping about all who are wary of the moves the AIFL has made in the past two seasons and in reference to the Utah Saints. I was simply making the the point, although confusing, that From the Begining should be tolerant of those who here who are gun shy of any new team without substance.
'From The Begining" was calling out those on this forum who point out the problems with this new start up team, "The Utah Saints".
Having been burned by a minor league team here in Utah, I am very leary of those who shout at those who might be potential fans because they voice their concerns. Clear as mud now? Sorry not a writer! jack

[The Man, The Myth]

I used to live in Salt Lake City. Yes, I lived there on purpose. LOL They are not really creative with nicknames out there. About the only nicknames that makes since with the teams out there is the Buzz AAA team(the state symbol is a beehive) and the University of Utah Utes (Utes are the indigenous tribe out there) other than that it's one lame nickname after another. I mean Jazz, Starzz, Catzz, Freezze, etc. Yes, the Utah Saints' record label might have a say on that issue.

Maybe they should call them the Zaintzzz?

[mel3476]

That last post was for "From The Begining" not "In The Begining". I was pointing out that minor league sports has many challenges that revolve around money! From the begining was chripping about all who are wary of the moves the AIFL has made in the past two seasons and in reference to the Utah Saints. I was simply making the the point, although confusing, that From the Begining should be tolerant of those who here who are gun shy of any new team without substance.
'From The Begining" was calling out those on this forum who point out the problems with this new start up team, "The Utah Saints".
Having been burned by a minor league team here in Utah, I am very leary of those who shout at those who might be potential fans because they voice their concerns. Clear as mud now? Sorry not a writer! jack

I don't disagree with that. In fact, I do not think that anyone here would think that starting a minor league team would be easy.

However, a lot of the people here, who have been critical of the AIFA, have been that way because most of have not been given any reason to think there will be any kind of long-term success.

I would feel a bit better about the long term success of the league if the entire league was based on one side of the Mississippi, but not both sides. Especially with one one division so far to the west of the rest of the divisions, and even the teams separated so far apart from each other, they have no way to make things successful on their own...

But now, the teams have been publicaly announced so close to the start of the season, they do not have a realistic chance of developing a significan sponsorship or fan base, I do not know how they can make ends meet between now and the end of their first season. They will be so far in debt, especially because of the travel costs, that they will need a lot of help from the league just to make it to the end of the season...and then again to get things going for a second season (if it is even viable for that to happen). But as thing stand now, I don't see any reason why the league would not own the fourth team in the west division for this upcoming season...just to get it off of the ground...

Please, AIFA Koolaide drinkers, provide me (and the rest of us) with something legitimate to dispute what I (and others) have said...

[utahstarsticketholder]

I would like to take my grandchildren to a Utah Saints game but the proof will be in the pudding. The lack of marketing makes is very difficult to begin growing a fan base. I do wish them luck but will follow their progress in this market. This is a tough market in their are four minor league teams in the area, AFL Blaze, ECHL Grizzilies, NDBA Flash and in the spring PCL Salt Lake Bees. They will be competing for a very small piece of the sports entertainment pie. jack.

[rams80]

Saw this posted on the AFL boards....

actually I have seen all the games so far I work at the utah Olympic oval where they play and i like the league there are former college stars ex nfl players and kids right out of high school a few still in high school i like the idea of players of all skill levels

High schoolers?!

1) This is not professional.
2) This could get someone seriously hurt.
3) The Saints are going to get killed on the field.

[exit322]

Saw this posted on the AFL boards....



High schoolers?!

1) This is not professional.
2) This could get someone seriously hurt.
3) The Saints are going to get killed on the field.

Wyoming already started losing players to teams in legitimate leagues last year. Anyone with any inkling of wanting to move up will stay away from Casper. The talent disparity probably won't be anywhere near what you'd think it should be.

Granted, that means the Cavs will get ripped by 40 or better when they go to Reading for the game that doesn't count. But that's neither here nor there.

[preeths]

Casper may indeed get raided, but they've always paid their guys, and their coach knows how to recruit. His job may be tougher this year, but they'll have good talent.

[thefridge81]

Since when has there been Saints in Utah? Dum Dum Dum Dum DUM!

[Minor League Man]

Since when has there been Saints in Utah? Dum Dum Dum Dum DUM!
The Mormon church's official name is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Don't be surprised if you see a few 20-year old "Elders" in white shirts, black pants, & ties riding to the game on their bikes.

[nksports]

The Mormon church's official name is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Don't be surprised if you see a few 20-year old "Elders" in white shirts, black pants, & ties riding to the game on their bikes.

Offering their testimony and a copy of the "Book of Mormon"?

[IndoorExpert]

Casper may indeed get raided, but they've always paid their guys, and their coach knows how to recruit. His job may be tougher this year, but they'll have good talent.

Magic will definitely find it hard to bring in the groups of players he has always relied on. Casper has been good to their players so it should still be a decent place to play. The travel will be horrible though, so the cream of the crop probably wont be there.

[exit322]

And if they ever want looked at, they're going to have to play some competition. THAT'S where the problem lies. Wyoming won't have any.

[IndoorExpert]

And if they ever want looked at, they're going to have to play some competition. THAT'S where the problem lies. Wyoming won't have any.

That is very true. I still cannot believe that Wyoming has not thought to better their situation after the NIFL. I will be interested to see the attendance numbers after game 3.

[daytonadan]

Offering their testimony and a copy of the "Book of Mormon"?

The sad thing is that you actually thought that was funny.

[nksports]

The sad thing is that you actually thought that was funny.

Just remember the 9:30 show has entirely different material than the 7:30 show. And don't forget to tip your waitstaff.
Thank you, you've been a wonderful audience.

Dum, dum, dum, dum, DUM.

[GoCavs1]

Wyoming already started losing players to teams in legitimate leagues last year. Anyone with any inkling of wanting to move up will stay away from Casper. The talent disparity probably won't be anywhere near what you'd think it should be.

Granted, that means the Cavs will get ripped by 40 or better when they go to Reading for the game that doesn't count. But that's neither here nor there.

Actually Exit this may sound incredible due to last years debacle.. The Cav's have pretty much the same team except for a few players. The offense has it's complete unit to include the James Spiderman Jones who left for Soux Falls of the UIF and Tony Case who left last year to try out for the Patriots of the NFL. The defense I hear there are some changes on the D-line and a Cornerback. it sounds like Majic has done just that. And this info is from the players. So hopefully for those guys this year will work out. I am still waiting ona 4th team though I think that is very Critical.

[exit322]

Then you better be ready to win by margins that'll make last year look good.

[BIGPSHOCK]

AIFA Awards Franchise To Utah For 2008


BALTIMORE, Maryland (December 3, 2007) – The AIFA's Western Expansion continued today, as the American Indoor Football Association awarded a franchise to Utah for the 2008 season. The team will be known as the Utah Saints.

The Saints will play their home games at the famed Utah Olympic Oval, located 25 miles southwest of Salt Lake City in Kearns, Utah. The facility hosted speed skating competition at the 2002 Winter Olympic Games and boasted the “fastest ice on Earth.” Ten Olympic or world records were broken there during the Games. The arena's capacity will be increased to 2,500 for AIFA competition.

The ownership group for the franchise is headed by CEO Michael Curran, who has considerable indoor football experience through his involvement with the Utah Indoor Football League.

“We have been working 'round the clock to cross our T's and dot our I's in preparation for joining the AIFA West,” said Curran. “This is an exciting time for us! We have a large pool of talent all around us, mainly in the Utah Division I schools.

“We know the kind of talent that Wyoming (Cavalry, a member of the AIFA West) puts on the field, and we intend to be competitive. The Saints will be composed of men with the greatest integrity, both on and off the field.”

“We are pleased to welcome the Utah Saints ownership group to the AIFA,” said AIFA co-founder John Morris. “They are a great addition to our ongoing Western expansion. We are also very fortunate to have such a unique venue – rich in history and resources – available for the Saints.”

The addition of the Saints bring another significant television market into the AIFA fold. Salt Lake City is the 35th largest television market in the country, with approximately 840,000 television homes

wow another semi-pro team!!!!!

[exit322]

GOOD and ORGANIZED semipro teams can compete with some of the very very poor teams at the indoor football level. Prescott could certainly be one of those, though Wyoming will whitewash them just like last year.

[utahstarsticketholder]

So the Cavs should make great stats against the Utah Saints as they apparently will sign player right out of "HIGH SCHOOL"! Hope this is not true any kid aged 18 would not stand a chance against any 23 to 25 year old man.
But then again during time outs, the team can have orange slices for refreshements. jack
BTW Who's mom is suppposed to bring treats next game? jack

[exit322]

The indoor record is 132. Macieczjak needs to do everything he can to surpass that.

[CRUSADERSFAN]

New Saints logo:

http://www.utsaints.com/image/31549924.jpg

[Tatonka]

Of course, because saints are well known for their swords and shields.

[insane_asylum]

New Saints logo:

http://www.utsaints.com/image/31549924.jpg

10x better then it was. The shield should be slightly bigger so it is in porportion to the swords. I like the shading...someone with talent finally worked on this thing.

1000x better then the AZ logo.....which is really awful.

[Sykotyk]

Third logo in just about a month.

Now, the question is, did they come out with a new logo because enough people complained about it (not necissarily a bad thing), or did they slowly come to their senses on their on and had the logo updated two seperate times?

Sykotyk

[mel3476]

Third logo in just about a month.

Now, the question is, did they come out with a new logo because enough people complained about it (not necissarily a bad thing), or did they slowly come to their senses on their on and had the logo updated two seperate times?

Sykotyk

Perhaps a bit of both, but where would people have been complaining about their logo? Because we all know that there is no complaining about anything with regards to the league on the league's message board...

[Tatonka]

Hard to complain when all of us "whiny old ladies" have been banned from the "official" league board.