PDA

View Full Version : Cavs may be next in line to run D-League team, sources say


Fran
11-26-2007, 01:24 PM
Cavs may be next in line to run D-League team, sources say
Print This Story By JOHN LOMBARDO
Staff writer

Published November 26, 2007 : Page 04
The NBA Development League is expected to announce another round of expansion within weeks as it moves closer to its goal of becoming a 30-team league with single affiliations for each NBA club.

D-League President Dan Reed would not disclose the new markets, but sources said the Cleveland Cavaliers are very interested in operating a D-League franchise. If a deal is completed, the Cavaliers would become the third NBA team to own or operate a D-League franchise. The Los Angeles Lakers own the Los Angeles D-Fenders, while the San Antonio Spurs own the Austin Toros. In the past year, the D-League added teams in Orem, Utah; Des Moines, Iowa; Fort Wayne, Ind.; and Hidalgo, Texas.

“There are still a few things in play, but we will be announcing some new teams in a few weeks,” Reed said. “Being geographically close to NBA teams is a positive.”

Cavaliers officials would only say that they are evaluating the D-League. One possibility for the Cavs is to partner with a local owner and control the basketball operations of the minor league team, which could play in a city outside of Cleveland.

“We think the D-League has taken a number of steps recently to position the league for future success, both from a basketball perspective and a business perspective,” said Cavaliers President Len Komoroski. “We are still in the process of learning more about that and how that might translate to our own future.”

The Cavaliers, owned by Dan Gilbert, would add to their operation that now includes the Cavs, the minor league hockey Lake Erie Monsters and the electronic ticket company Flash Seats. In addition, the AFL’s Las Vegas Gladiators have relocated to Cleveland and will play at the Quicken Loans Arena run by the Cavs.

The D-League has 14 teams that began play Friday. The league is expected to look at putting teams in the Northeast.

“We’ll look at having three or four teams within reasonable travel distance [in the Northeast],” Reed said. “It could happen real quick or it may be a situation where we have to wait in the next year, but we are not in a rush to double the size of the league in a year.”

Driving the league’s expansion efforts is the increase in franchise values that Reed said have quadrupled since the league began selling teams to local owners beginning in 2005. Reed would not disclose the current franchise values, but said teams are now selling for seven figures.

“One of the most attractive aspects is that the franchise values are reasonable and [potential] owners see good opportunity,” Reed said. “There are now a number of NBA teams that are interested.”

Pounder
11-26-2007, 01:27 PM
Youngstown?

New arena makes sense for them, if they aren't looking to soak a team with rent bills.

jjbballfan
11-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Youngstown, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Akron, Louisville, my guess would be they would put a team in one of those cities....

jjbballfan
11-26-2007, 04:06 PM
Can somebody give me an honest explanation why Stern thinks that these minor league teams need to be close to there parent club? Its not baseball where if somebody gets called up there is a good chance he will start that day its basketball where if they are called up its so they can sit on the end of the bench. It just confuses me why they care so much about getting these franchises in the northeast when they didn't work in the CBA and they won't work now..... Youngstown I think would work but anything much further and your getting into a market that won't work.... Why go to the minor league team when you can go to the real team....

ChumpDumper
11-26-2007, 04:39 PM
I think having single D-League affiliate teams close enough to the home franchise to maximize the worth of the tie-in with the franchise makes sense, at least at this point of the D-League's growth. If the NBA teams don't get out of hand with crowd level expectations and choose the right markets and venues, teams could work in the east.Why go to the minor league team when you can go to the real team....The Spurs are 100 miles away from me and ten times more expensive when tickets are available.

bectond
11-26-2007, 05:29 PM
Youngstown?

New arena makes sense for them, if they aren't looking to soak a team with rent bills.

And we have a winner, this is about 2 years old now, the Cav's are putting a D-League team in Youngstown. Toledo, Ohio is also getting a team, but it will be independently owned.

Pounder
11-26-2007, 05:50 PM
Can somebody give me an honest explanation why Stern thinks that these minor league teams need to be close to there parent club?

Stern probably isn't completely sold yet, or else there would already be a 30-30 relationship.

Rest of the world: youth programs lead to the RESERVE team (in this case the D-League team), then the main team. Eventually, college ball is bypassed (which is the case for a lot of kids anyway, even if they're spending a year in school). This way, the organization is actually IN the community where they're trying to sell tickets instead of drafting mercenaries from other towns (or getting really lucky in the lottery to draft homeboy LeBron), perhaps improving relations with said community, which hopefully offsets the current problems some identify with communities feeling detached from players (and or vice versa).

At least that's the concept... and Stern isn't completely sold on it yet, or else a phased plan would already be in place. This is the Cavs doing.

LandRoverUT60
11-26-2007, 06:23 PM
Stern needs to put teams in the REGION of their parent team, not in that city's suburbs. They need to fill in some large non- or sometimes-former-NBA cities and also some smaller (Idaho, Sioux Falls, Dakota, Tulsa, etc.) cities with good minor-league potential. What about a D-League team in Cincinatti, OH, or Louisville, KY? Las Vegas, NV? Why can't we just keep the thriving teams where they are?

I say that some good possibilities are Flagstaff, AZ; St. George, UT; Prescott, AZ; Tuscon, AZ; Las Vegas, NV; Cheyenne, WY; Spokane, WA; Great Falls, MT (if the CBA team there doesn't work out); Omaha, NE; Knoxville, TN; Corpus Christi, TX; Vancouver, BC; San Diego, CA; Rochester, NY; Buffalo, NY; Albany, NY; and Charlestown, SC.

jjbballfan
11-26-2007, 07:15 PM
Stern needs to put teams in the REGION of their parent team, not in that city's suburbs. They need to fill in some large non- or sometimes-former-NBA cities and also some smaller (Idaho, Sioux Falls, Dakota, Tulsa, etc.) cities with good minor-league potential. What about a D-League team in Cincinatti, OH, or Louisville, KY? Las Vegas, NV? Why can't we just keep the thriving teams where they are?

I say that some good possibilities are Flagstaff, AZ; St. George, UT; Prescott, AZ; Tuscon, AZ; Las Vegas, NV; Cheyenne, WY; Spokane, WA; Great Falls, MT (if the CBA team there doesn't work out); Omaha, NE; Knoxville, TN; Corpus Christi, TX; Vancouver, BC; San Diego, CA; Rochester, NY; Buffalo, NY; Albany, NY; and Charlestown, SC.

St. George I heard is a possiblility

Las Vegas I would like to see one there that arena is about the right size
Cheyenne wouldn't work because there is no decent size arena other then the AA and I doubt they would want to play there Casper would work a lot better.
Omaha I am thinking will happen this year, I like Buffalo (possible Toronto affiliate) Vancouver would work but you would need Yakima and possibly Tri-City to get some travel partners. San Diego I don't know about.......

jjbballfan
11-26-2007, 07:25 PM
And we have a winner, this is about 2 years old now, the Cav's are putting a D-League team in Youngstown. Toledo, Ohio is also getting a team, but it will be independently owned.

any other franchises that you know of?

ChumpDumper
11-26-2007, 07:28 PM
Texas can probably handle another D-League team, especially if it is owned by the Mavericks. I'm not too sure about Corpus Christi -- the best venue there is already crowded with men's and women's college ball as well as the CHL hockey team. There is an alternate venue being built in Robstown, but that out-of-the-way location might be more suited to the Silverados if they move.

There are still a few places that might be attractive and sustainable around the metroplex area if Cuban wanted to stay close to home; even two venues in downtown Dallas that would be cheap if he wanted to go that direction. I think markets outside the DFW area that could have the right mix of money, population and open venue dates are El Paso and Amarillo. Laredo's CHL team apparently draws about as well as that of the Rio Grande Vallley, but I don't know much else about the place.

HKF
11-27-2007, 01:15 AM
The Knicks may not have a D-League team next year, but they will be getting their team in Harlem, that's for sure. It's pretty much a done deal. The amount of jerseys they sell alone will be in the multi-millions.

Some places I would like to see a team if possible are Trenton, NJ (for the Nets) after they move to Brooklyn.

Scranton or Reading (PA) for the Sixers. Along with Harlem and the two OH (Toledo and Youngstown) teams that would be a nice division.

It's also pretty much a foregone conclusion that Cuban is going to put a D-League team in Forth Worth again (or perhaps Plano). I think the reason why Cuban didn't want the Flyers was because they are going to be in Reno (the Maloofs and their cohorts I am told are involved, even if it's not outright ownership) and because he wanted to do all of his operations from the grassroots.

With the way Donnie Nelson runs the franchise and finds players all over the world, it doesn't make sense for Dallas not to have a D-League franchise, quite honestly.

Once the D-League reaches 30 teams, you're going to see the NBA rule change, where the D-League NBA contracts count against your roster, which will make using the D-League for strictly development a positive.

Pounder
11-27-2007, 11:08 AM
Those of you envisioning larger markets in the D-League- where the parent club isn't in the same market- you're not getting your wish. If you do, they won't last long.

You are the key to the NEXT step, however.

Boycott TV basketball. Tell the league you're doing it until teams are added in your towns, whether that makes the NBA some 60 teams strong, or promotion and relegation is instituted. For that matter, if dilution is what you fear, then pro/rel is the answer.

Mind you, a fan revolt is the only way this is going to happen, because owners won't willingly institute the concept. However, it's funny how much American money is finding its way over to the English Premier League, so maybe I'm wrong.

That doesn't mean the D-League isn't necessary. I'm just saying that it will not play in Cincinnati and Vancouver and Las Vegas and San Diego and Buffalo. Those markets are too big, and believe they should get the NBA. In a way, they should be in the NBA.

jjbballfan
11-27-2007, 05:03 PM
I think the NBA will announce that they plan on expanding to 32 teams after they figure out New Orleans and Seattle. You have numerous markets that could support a NBA team

1. OKC--- most likely Seattle
2. Kansas City--- new arena possibly New Orleans
3. St. Louis--- Grizzles just about moved there
4. San Diego--- had the nba before and I think they want it back
5. Pittsburgh--- new arena
6. Cincinnati

There are cities out there that could support the NBA no problem and I think they want it but maybe if they supported a Dleague team it would help there chance..... I heard that there is ownership groups in Kansas City, St. Louis, and Omaha that are looking to see how the Dleague works in Des Moines if it works good they plan on joining if not they won't do it.... according to there reported attendance you could see franchises in those cities..... putting a team in cities like that could work but you have to try to find a smaller venue 6-10 thousand instead of getting into the big arenas 14+ thousand...... I think the Dleague shouldn't stop at 30 teams though I would support something like a rookie league of 10 teams where they expanded the draft to 3 or 4 rounds and teams would assign 3-4 rookies to there rookie club and then make it so the Dleague doesn't have an assignment age rule..... Then maybe add another league of 10 teams that would be non affiliated veterans league...... I would like the Dleague to have 50 teams..... 30 in the Dleague affiliated league... 10 in the dleague rookie league and 10 in the dleague veterans non affiliated league...... The other leagues are a joke and there is around 50 minor league markets out there so maybe my 50 teams is out of line but I don't think they should quit at 30 teams if they can continue to grow.....

HKF
11-27-2007, 05:22 PM
Sorry but there will be no more expansion for a mighty long time. It's just not happening.

Pounder
11-27-2007, 06:32 PM
I think the NBA will announce that they plan on expanding to 32 teams after they figure out New Orleans and Seattle.

Why?

Mind you, I know someone who thinks that Major League Baseball will announce plans to expand immediately after the next year that revenues drop from the previous year. I could see that happening with the NBA. PROBLEM: you can't just expand to any old place. Shall we?

You have numerous markets that could support a NBA team

1. OKC--- most likely Seattle
2. Kansas City--- new arena possibly New Orleans
3. St. Louis--- Grizzles just about moved there
4. San Diego--- had the nba before and I think they want it back
5. Pittsburgh--- new arena
6. Cincinnati

I've been thinking Seattle could yet thwart the Oklahoma City move, but if the losses the Sonics post are anywhere close to genuine (which they may not be, but the opportunity cost may push the equation over the edge), then the owners are quite likely to pay the penalty provided in the lease and end it. Therefore, Oklahoma City would be a relocation, not an expansion.

Furthermore, the NBA will not move the Hornets until memories have faded. That'll be longer than you think.

NOW...
Kansas City- Sprint Center is shiny and waiting for a prime tenant. Problem: KC's history with the Kings was REALLY dire. Still, the NBA will race with NHL to see who gets there first.

St. Louis- NOPE. The NBA will not play second fiddle to the St. Louis Blues. The only way this is anywhere near viable is if the same people who own the Blues own the NBA team. Could happen, but most other arenas that aren't in major markets don't make it work all that well.

San Diego- Qualified no. Who's going to build an arena. The city WILL NOT. If someone with private money is willing, they could well be in.

Pittsburgh- NOPE. Penguins will run the building. Point is that the NBA only tolerates two situations where they are the "second tenant" in a building; Denver and Toronto.

Cincinnati- Is the downtown arena sufficient, or does it need more suites?

There are cities out there that could support the NBA no problem and I think they want it but maybe if they supported a Dleague team it would help there chance..... I heard that there is ownership groups in Kansas City, St. Louis, and Omaha that are looking to see how the Dleague works in Des Moines if it works good they plan on joining if not they won't do it.... et cetera, ad nauseum, blah blah

First off, let's not take opening night attendance in Des Moines and extrapolate. If they draw 8K on a December weeknight in two years, then we'll talk. Meanwhile, the NBA isn't naive enough to put "major markets" to a D-League test for NBA acceptance. They know that's a setup for failure (though they might use it to set up a failure... you never know).

Meanwhile...

Sorry but there will be no more expansion for a mighty long time. It's just not happening.

Why do you say that? Evidence, please.

rams80
11-27-2007, 07:18 PM
Why do you say that? Evidence, please.

Talent dilution. The NBA has too many horrible teams already. The Bobcats expansion was a minor disaster. Adding more teams is not an option.

LandRoverUT60
11-28-2007, 12:15 PM
St. George I heard is a possiblility

Las Vegas I would like to see one there that arena is about the right size

Cheyenne wouldn't work because there is no decent size arena other then the AA and I doubt they would want to play there Casper would work a lot better.

Omaha I am thinking will happen this year, I like Buffalo (possible Toronto affiliate) Vancouver would work but you would need Yakima and possibly Tri-City to get some travel partners. San Diego I don't know about.......

I'm just curious, jbballfan, but where did you hear about St. George possibly getting a team and Omaha most likely getting a team? :confused:

ChumpDumper
11-28-2007, 12:38 PM
Las Vegas I would like to see one there that arena is about the right sizeThe Thomas & Mack Center is too big as well as the two arenas that are being planned on the strip and downtown. The arena at the Orleans casino would do; the hockey team draws well there though the arena football team didn't. I imagine the city would rather push for an NBA team.

jjbballfan
11-28-2007, 01:04 PM
I'm just curious, jbballfan, but where did you hear about St. George possibly getting a team and Omaha most likely getting a team? :confused:

I've heard Omaha's name quite a bit I live just across the boarder in SD, I heard that everything is taken care of they were thinking of joining last year but wanted to see how Iowa did before they made the call..... St. George I've heard is a possibility because the Flash want a rivalry and there owner is trying to get somebody to put a team up there.... just hearsay though on St. George......

I was thinking about the arena that the college game was at..... I think Las Vegas would be a tricky market you would have to know how to do it get Casinos to buy season tickets to give to customers and so on... Every NBA scout would be there also but you would have to get a gm that knew what he was doing there..

Pounder
11-28-2007, 01:41 PM
Kicking myself... thinking HKF was talking about no chance that the D-League would expand. (Of course, maybe that's true, but that doesn't play in context)

I object to the dilution argument. I've actually watched some ESPN Classic lately and realized that the talent issue is a bit of a red herring. I think the modern player is overcoached... up until the pros, frankly. If there's any dilution, it's of coaching talent. Too many coaches copy each other these days.

Anyway... Las Vegas just won't work. The hockey team has trouble with the Orleans because the Orleans prefers to lock up weekend dates for stuff that actually brings in tourists (concerts, boxing cards, HS championship tournaments). If someone can build a similar arena without a casino attached, or if the UNLV "2nd arena" serves alcohol, there's just a hint of a shot... but Las Vegas already has a million mad promoters for everything, making it close to impossible to market there.

rams80
11-28-2007, 04:16 PM
I still think going into the same town as serious D-1 college basketball programs is a bad idea. But, I will enjoy watching them fail all the same.

jjbballfan
11-28-2007, 04:47 PM
I still think going into the same town as serious D-1 college basketball programs is a bad idea. But, I will enjoy watching them fail all the same.

Bingo.... I agree big time..... thats what hurts
Omaha and Las Vegas

Pounder
11-28-2007, 05:16 PM
I still think going into the same town as serious D-1 college basketball programs is a bad idea. But, I will enjoy watching them fail all the same.

I buy that line in specific situations. Then there's Boise, where the Stampede (despite some of my observations about suspect crowd counts) just signed a three-year extension on a lease with Qwest Arena. I'm sure I can think of a few other cities where a D-1 team isn't exactly a big name or "the state school" where an alternative might be viable.

You argue this about Las Vegas. They had a "flash in the pan" sellout streak when winning a national championship, had many lean years subsequently where there were obvious empty seats in the lower level, and last season won a NCAA tournament game for the first time in 16 years. That's lead to a couple big crowds this season, but not quite any sellout. Meanwhile, the population of the Las Vegas metropolis has more than doubled in that time. I'd argue that a lot of factors work against a D-League team succeeding in Las Vegas, but that having a D-1 team in town is low on the list of factors.

Omaha? I wonder how much the recent Creighton crowds are due to the new building. I know the Missouri Valley Conference is on an uptick, but that these things go in cycles. Additionally, as a private school, if Creighton's fortunes take a dip, what happens to the crowds? I'm sure Creighton's present form creates a problem for a D-League opening, but is that the way to bet in the long term?

ChumpDumper
11-28-2007, 05:36 PM
Anyway... Las Vegas just won't work. The hockey team has trouble with the Orleans because the Orleans prefers to lock up weekend dates for stuff that actually brings in tourists (concerts, boxing cards, HS championship tournaments).In that case, the hockey team's attendance record is even more impressive. That could be the team that plays mostly weekday dates. Wishful thinking on my part -- sure would make the MLK showcase worth attending though.

mrcool92501
11-28-2007, 10:46 PM
where pro sports franchises go to die

Pounder
11-29-2007, 12:13 PM
where pro sports franchises go to die

Something the Las Vegas media reinforces on almost a weekly basis. Neve mind what I think.

TBirdCrazy
11-29-2007, 02:52 PM
I still think going into the same town as serious D-1 college basketball programs is a bad idea. But, I will enjoy watching them fail all the same.

I agree whole heartedly. I can speak for Albuquerque and say that, the Tbirds fan base hurts with the Lobos in town. The lobos are not even that great of a team, talent wise - but a state school that plays D-1...they suck a lot of fan base. I am actually surprised thnat the Tbirds have stuck around as long as they have (and I am happy-trust me) because minor league ball has not done well in this town. Of course, it did not have the backing of the NBA either

rams80
11-29-2007, 03:49 PM
Omaha? I wonder how much the recent Creighton crowds are due to the new building. I know the Missouri Valley Conference is on an uptick, but that these things go in cycles. Additionally, as a private school, if Creighton's fortunes take a dip, what happens to the crowds? I'm sure Creighton's present form creates a problem for a D-League opening, but is that the way to bet in the long term?

As long as Dana Altman coaches that team (and he's not getting another job offer after that Arkansas thing), their on court success shouldn't take too much of a dip.

I honestly think the crowds are there for the basketball, the arena's old enough that the novelty should have worn off.

jjbballfan
11-29-2007, 04:23 PM
I think that if a Dleague team was to be placed in Omaha it would be better placed across the river in Council Bluffs.....

SignGuyDino
11-29-2007, 04:33 PM
On "This Week in the D-League" the number 2 guy in the D-League flat out said they want one team per NBA team in 5-6 years, so players can learn the "system" for the parent team. They ARE going to expand.

Harlem is high on the list. How can anyone talk expansion without talking Buffalo?

As to the Cavs, Akron HAS to the first choice. Anything to make it harder for LeBron to one day leave has to be a factor, what better than to put a team in his own hometown?

If not, has to be Youngstown.

Charlotte getting its own team is going to be a problem, since the D-league failed in Asheville, Fayetteville, Greenville, and Charleston. Not to mention they competing with college basketball in the "triangle" area. I'd suggest a 3-4,000 seat venue, like the new Kimmel Arena in Asheville in 2010, or a similar sized venue in Greenville.

I still think they are putting teams in venues too big. I'll bet dollars to donuts the most popular team in the D-League will be the Harlem team the first moment they play, and they are certain to have the smallest venue.

I actually wrote an essay years ago on how the NBA could do a pro/rel system of 64 teams, but they aren't doing that.

Let's let them get the one team per NBA team, then let them handle the mess with the spring/summer leagues, for AA level cities, in about 5 years, which could replace their current summer camps.

HKF
11-29-2007, 06:15 PM
Only problem with Buffalo is that it's a failing city in more ways then one. I doubt the people of Buffalo will shell out the money for a team, especially when you look at the avg. household income there.

I could be wrong though.

mzracing76
11-30-2007, 10:40 AM
Northeast Teams: I would say they are perhaps talking to the Albany Patroons of the CBA who have a very good ownership group. so expect the NBDL to rob the CBA again.

Teams from the CBA that may be interested in coming over to the NBDL are probally the Albany Patroons, Yakima Sunkings (if they get a better owner), and the Pittsburgh Explosion.

If they put another team in Texas, I think they should consider WICHITA FALLS. they had a team (Wichita Falls Texans), and played in a 5500 seat arena, and averaged 3500 per game. The owner went for greener pastures and moved the team to Chicago where they later went broke.

Another Hotbed for Minor League Basketball would be Omaha who would have atleat a 3500 attendance average, and Put a team back in Rapid City which would probally average 5000 fans like in years past.

Mexico City wont work, the CBA tried it. although they averaged 4500 fans a game, all they had for an Arena was a 21,000 seat arena. but managed to aveage 4500 fans, which is good for Minor Leagues, but finiancially, its not stable. other CBA teams, coaches, players, complained about the travel, and other problems that come from going across the border.

I never heard the NBDL saying they want to place teams wihtin 100 miles of a parent club. but I can understand why they would want that. but they are also wanting to place teams in the right situation first and foremost. And that is why they are taking their time handpicking cities.

And, I beleive, another round of expansion from the CBA is in the works. Especially in the Northeast with Albany and Pittsburgh. Think about it, they have to keep it quiet for Legal issues. They wouldnt announce a move to Albany and Pittsburgh until April or May after that league season is over.

TOP EXPANSION SITES:
1-Albany Patroons (CBA)
2-Pittsburgh Explosion (CBA)
3-Yakima Sun Kings (CBA)
4-Omaha, Expansion
5-Rochester, NY (they are in the ABA)
6-Harlem (NBA wants this city for some odd reason)
7-Wichita Falls (was good market in past)
8-Rapid City (Sioux Falls needs its archrival back)

plus, you will have NBA teams that will over time purchase expansion teams or take over the Basketball Departments of current NBDL teams.

But, i do see another round of CBA Expansion teams, especially in Albany and Pittsburgh in the Northeast. Albany would give the Knicks their own personal Farm Team, and the Pittsburgh team would give the Cleveland Cavaliers a farm team, and i can see the Cav's running the Basketball Department.

Yakima? they first will need to find a local owner who will manage the team better than that Indian Tribe. the Tribe is in debt, and not cause of the team, because of other bad business ventures. they must sell the team before the Sun Kings move to the NBDL.

I would love to have Yakima and Coach Paul Woolpert in the NBDL. And, it gives Portland its Farm Team.

Stay out of Las Vegas, Vancouver, and San Diego. those cities had CBA teams in the past, and never made it past a year. San Diego defuncted after 20 games, Las Vegas had 2-3 chances with different teams, and Vancouver couldnt support a NBA team. Bad Markets period.

MZ

rams80
11-30-2007, 03:14 PM
I don't think Pittsburgh would be able to afford the jump...or survive it.

jjbballfan
11-30-2007, 04:42 PM
I don't think Pittsburgh would be able to afford the jump...or survive it.

I think if Pittsburgh is an option they are going to have to find a venue that fits them better. The Igloo is a joke, they don't draw well they have seats that are rolled back and right now are clearly behind the Penguins and Pitt... Albany seems like a good option they want a team in Harlem why I'm not sure but they make it sound like its a good deal.... The big problem with the Northeast is you don't have that NBDL/CBA size arena that fits them best... You either have the 3,000 seat with bleachers (high school gym) or the 14-20 thousand venue.... Also have to remember that you are not going to get good dates in the Northeast because they can have any concert, event, play or anything and it would be better attended then a NBDL/CBA event there.... I personally think that it would work better to stay west of Youngstown Ohio... and stay in cities between 50-300 thousand.... The way I see it Rapid City holds the CBA record for average attendance of over 6,000 (and if you ask fans of the time they say if anything it may of be under reported) and it was a city of 50 thousand then (now closer to 65)... The two places that minor league sports don't work other then baseball are the Northeast and the southeast (minor league baseball works because of weather not because of fans) Northeast works because if there is a prospect of the NYY, NYM, Bos, Bal, or any NE teams they are over hyped so ESPN is there and the die harts go to see how good the future looks..... My point is the NBDL isn't portrayed as the next best star its portrayed as future players at a cheaper cost something that is hard to do in the Northeast....

TBirdCrazy
11-30-2007, 05:11 PM
The problem with the Albany theory is that that is now the headquarters of the CBA...so unless the league goes defunct, or partners with the NBDL, then I do not see the Albany Patroons merging.