Corning WHO?

[a1sports]

A small little phone poll. Called the Corning NY assessors office ( first number I pulled up on google, 607-962-0340) Asked them. One question if you have the time, Do you know who the Corning Bulldogs are? the person answered NO, Can you ask around the office, Ill hold...a few seconds goes by. No one here knows who they are. Ok thank you BYE

Maybe if I did the same in Houston the response would be the same?


Shameful !!

[dmbishop]

From:
http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=3469377&p_corpid=3474235&p_entity_name=%42%75%6C%6C%64%6F%67%73&p_name_type=%25&p_search_type=%50%41%52%54%49%41%4C&p_srch_results_page=1



NYS Department of State

Division of Corporations

Entity Information
Selected Entity Name: CORNING BULLDOGS, LLC

Selected Entity Status Information Current Entity Name: CORNING BULLDOGS, LLC
Initial DOS Filing Date: FEBRUARY 08, 2007
County: ONTARIO
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
CORNING BULLDOGS, LLC
386 WEST HIGH STREET
GENEVA, NEW YORK, 14456
Registered Agent
NONE

NOTE: New York State does not issue organizational identification numbers.

[panchess]

..that is what the Assessor does in New York, assess property for tax purposes. Other than interviewing any other person on Market Street in Corning to see what they might know about the team, I don't know what other purpose calling the City Assessor would serve.

I can't remember if Corning Community College is in the city (I don't think it is), but I do believe that is the home court of the Bulldogs.

[TheStandard]

There is a good amount of people in Corning that know of this team. Now the fact of the matter is that how good will they be and how much money do they have to be part of this cesspool of a league

[Strong Island Sound]

I'm not quite sure what A1 was exactly trying to point out here. Maybe I missed something. Just for the sake of doing it, I Googled assessor's office duties and came up with:

What are the Assessor's duties?

The assessor is charged with several administrative and statutory duties. The primary duty and responsibility is to make sure all real property within his jurisdiction is assessed except where the law provides otherwise. This includes residential, commercial, industrial and agricultural classes of property.

This of course is a general description. It may be different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But the only thing that I see to bring out the point A1 did was if the Corning organization was in the process of having a potential location assessed for tax purposes. According to what I have read and heard, they are playing at Corning Community College, which would not dictate anything other than renting out a place to play.

If I picked up the phone and started calling different town and/or state offices around the country to ask them if they have heard of a minor league team in their area, would it be a big shock if they didn't? 'Carol' the receptionist (a 50-something mother of two beautiful children) probably doesn't keep tabs on basketball, and when she turned around and asked 'Bob,' (the assistant to the assistant manager in Accounts, who is nearing the legal retirement age and a lifelong bachelor) who was overwhelmed filing the previous day's reports, if he had in fact knew who the new team playing at the local CC was, his response may have been something to the effect - "...Carol, I don't remeber what I had for breakfast. (Honey Nut Cheerios) I've never been a big sports guy. I'm more into the Hallmark Channel, myself."

Of course, this is an attempt at being humorous. But my point is that the teams in the ABA (especially the ones that are brand new) probably are not a well-known entity in most places. To randomly call an office that is in the same city/town does not constitue an automatic, "I told you so!" when the team name and home opening date does not roll off the tongue of every Tom, Dick or Harry. (...or Carol and Bob)

[a1sports]

How foolish of me. I forgot the law of the land. if you work in an assessors office you are probably devoid of media and are not allowed to be a basketball fan. I knew I should have called the zoning office instead. LOL.

I just guess that ABA basketball is not the buzz word in a town that is so full of professional sports. But then again, with such a great marketing strategy in such a large city, some people may have missed the big news.

Shameful....as your CEO would say.

[preeths]

To be fair, A1 did refer to his call as a poll, not as research into the Bulldogs' business status or anything of the sort. That's how I took it, anyway.

[CorningFan]

..that is what the Assessor does in New York, assess property for tax purposes. Other than interviewing any other person on Market Street in Corning to see what they might know about the team, I don't know what other purpose calling the City Assessor would serve.

I can't remember if Corning Community College is in the city (I don't think it is), but I do believe that is the home court of the Bulldogs.

Corning Community College will be the Bulldogs venue. It is a nice gym and will be a great venue. It is located about 10 min. south of the city of Corning. Was built there on land donated by a prominent local family. I do wish there was a little more buzz in town about the Bulldogs. Not much media coverage so far. Even the Dragons (semi-pro football) get more coverage than the Bulldogs have so far.

Reading the above post, I am scratching my head wondering why the team's office is in Geneva. That is quite a ways from here.

[a1sports]

Poll: an inquiry into public opinion conducted by interviewing a random sample of people

Thats right Paul, a simple poll thats all it was.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

But a "poll" requires X number of participants for a representative sample. This was one phone call to one office, with no prior knowledge of its makeup or number of people (who, by the way, may not live in Corning, but only work there).

Look, I think the Lawn Doctor has bitten off more than he can possibly chew here, but this is just a random close my eyes and pick a phone number in Corning telephone call, not a poll.

Call the local media, call the school's thletic departments, call the local recreation department, etc. If you strike out there as well, then the poll results are more credible.

[Strong Island Sound]

A1- Fair enough. As I stated, I may missed something in your opening post.

But my point, which included the entertaining hypothetical scenario, still has merit. The average person in the street probably is not aware of the ABA team in their area. Due to the limited or non- attention given by the media for independent minor league sports, especially ones that play in someone else,s venue, even a casual sports fan will say that he has never heard of them.

The small attendance throughout the league is an issue, and hopefully the teams that have promoted properly can start to show improvements in that category.

I'll give you an example regarding not knowing much about a team. I am huge sports fan in general and basketball is right up there. When I first moved out east, I had heard about the Long Island Surf of the USBL, but didn't know anything more than that about them. There was no mentions of them at all in the papers and by the time I got around to somehow falling upon their website, the team had folded. The site was old and still showed them as being in the league and playing at CW Post college. But without accidentally stumbling on that, I would have never heard another thing about them. And I live and breathe sports. Some guy or gal that could care less about sports and the only thing they can quote about basketball is that Isiah lost his trial, there is no way that person would say 'yes' to your poll.

[preeths]

That may be required of a scientific and accurate poll, but it was obvious by the rest of A1's post exactly whom he had polled and how he had done it. It was a very informal poll, if you will. I agree that all it was just "picking a number," but that's all he claimed it to be. As such, I don't see how anyone could draw any conclusions from it, and I don't believe it's worth the time to try.

[rams80]

Reading the above post, I am scratching my head wondering why the team's office is in Geneva. That is quite a ways from here.

Contingency plans for the eventual failure within Corning.

[nksports]

I do wish there was a little more buzz in town about the Bulldogs. Not much media coverage so far. Even the Dragons (semi-pro football) get more coverage than the Bulldogs have so far.

Has the team bought any advertising? Have they done anything other than send out Joe-esque sounding press releases. The local media may have done its research on the ABA and decided the team isn't worth covering, or that it may not survive.

[preeths]

Or more likely the local media hasn't done much if any research and without any press releases for easy stories, they just haven't thought about the Bulldogs much.

[tbayz1]

I know I wouldnt waste my time calling places and crap, a1 man we all know you dont like the ABA at all, why waste the time that you say you do calling all around, why? Do you really get something out of telling us that?

I personally think Corning will do alright, small town, what else is there besides HS sports, as long as the advertisment is there, and I think the local paper and news is giving them fair amount of attention, I think James told me a little while back that hes purchasing a spot in the paper, the one thing though I havent seen with Corning is some type of community program involving kids or something like that, but overall I think this team will do pretty decent, I guess we'll find out once the season starts.

And like I said if I attend this game, pics for sure and a little summary of my experience will be posted


Heres the news section on their site:

http://www.corningbulldogs.com/id6.html

Looks like mostly player signings from this summer to me though

[Strong Island Sound]

I am not aware of the sports scene in Corning or what is included in their newspaper's sports section. I would have to assume that they have more local stories (minor league clubs), high school and college team coverage than on Long Island and in NYC. I may be incorrect with that because they can also cover the 9 pro teams in NY-NJ as heavily as the papers do in my area.

Even if they have ample space to give a local team, there has to be something other than the team just announcing their home schedule to get someone to write about you. For example, there have been links up here about the Westchester Phantoms and a few articles that appeared in the Hudson Valley area. But the main crux of the stories were the Elton Brand connection. If Mr Smith's mother bought a team, then there is a good chance that the high school football story would have run in that spot.

Even if a professional press release is submitted to the proper media outlets, there are no guarantees anyone will do other than circular file it on the receiving end. I can speak from personal experience. With SI, the best amount of coverage came from Newsday talking about Sun Ming Ming and that he was playing the local team the following week.

Believe me, it is no easy task to get them down there on a regular night. For that Maryland game, we had News 12 filming, and a reporter each from Newsday and ESPN the Magazine.

I wish I had the solution to make that the norm and not the exception. I have all the media outlets and my contacts thereat on my mass mailing list and they receive everything I release. We can't control what they do with that information.

I have to agree with Paul that they won't even read the material if it is sent in looking anything less than professional. There are no excuses to send out a release that is not spell-checked, proofread and being topical. If teams want to be taken seriously as a professional franchise (much to the chagrin of many posters on these same boards), then do all your homework before and after creating a release prior to sending it out. We all make mistakes, but they need to be limited.

[Paul S]

A1 is merely re-inforcing the notion that this "league" (term used lightly) is full of pretenders and a couple of real teams.

Joe rounds up this loose collection of small time businessmen, dreamers, used car salesmen and one trick ponies. Then Joe finds a guy in Quebec or Vermont that can actually run a team. He keeps digging up enough chumps to play, or at least schedule against the few good teams.

This whole thing is one of the more interesting case studies in business I can imagine.

[TheStandard]

All Joe Cares about is if you can give him a check, credit card or money orders along with cash that adds up to 10k

[a1sports]

The only media saturation about the ABA is that the sports editors say "ahh No thanks" no matter how well written your press release is. Its 7 years since this circus has started and now prety much everyone in big towns and cities knows the score about the ABA. The respect that they might have had IMO is all gone.

[Mike2]

For the past 21 days or so the Corning Bulldogs have run a large add in the sports section of the Star Gazette news paper advertising the team. Anyone who lives in the area who recieves the paper can verify that. Every player signing has been covered by the tv news and the star gazette news paper. The teams owner and coaches have been interviewed on the tv news several times.

Most of this information is not hard to uptain because they have a lot of team news posted on the site. If you go through them all you will see newspaper and tv coverage.

http://www.corningbulldogs.com/id6.html

I know I have not made a fancy call here but all it takes is opening up the paper or a little actual research. I am sure running a non-stop add in the sports section of a newspaper is not cheap, that should tell us something.

[psbf]

about anyone else, but when I tried that link to the TV schedule, I came up with page error.
When I saw that the Bulldogs inked players out of Utica, I knew it had to be Utica College, but I could not help but think about the Utica Wreckers .

[barkley34]

Until proven otherwise, and that has not been the case so far that I have seen, I will take A1 at his word. There is no way in hell that I would doubt his word or facts regarding the ABA until they can substantiate where he is wrong. His track record has proven to be accurate.

I am sick and tired of the ABA "kool aid" posters on here saying "A1 show me proof" or "back it up", etc., etc., etc.........ENUFF, the proof is there in front of yours eyes..... day in and day out, and until A1 is proven to be otherwise and you ABA lovers can prove him wrong, I will take his research for his word.

I love some of you so called "writers" on here questioning facts, sources, etc.....if you were any good you would be writing for the Boston Herald or NY Times. For now, lets take like A1 for their word.

[psbf]

how you want, Barkley34. I'm sure you've heard the saying 'you can't please everyone'.
I don't pretend to be a writer and I'm not an ABA lover. I like many posters on here for what they have to say and I have, especially Fells, Preeths and Chuck the writer. I don't agree with everything they say(most of it, yes), but that's life. They are entitled to their words, just as you are.
Obviously, A1 has supporters of which I'm not among them I can freely say.
My point to this is don't expect a perfect forum. It would be nice to think about, but it's also fantasy land to ask. Everyone has their own views on things and you have to respect that.

[barkley34]

Hey PSBF you are right, BUT,

A1 has been posting on here for sometime now and his observations have been accurate enough to warran giving him the benefit of the doubt like we give some other journalists or writers on here. True? There are a few writer/blowhards that come on here and we take them om their word when that fact remains they are no more journalists or "writers" than A1. Again, until proven otherwise, he is a good source.

[Chuck the Writer]

I am sick and tired of the ABA "kool aid" posters on here saying "A1 show me proof" or "back it up", etc., etc., etc.........ENUFF, the proof is there in front of yours eyes..... day in and day out, and until A1 is proven to be otherwise and you ABA lovers can prove him wrong, I will take his research for his word.

I love some of you so called "writers" on here questioning facts, sources, etc.....if you were any good you would be writing for the Boston Herald or NY Times. For now, lets take like A1 for their word.

Hmm... where have I heard this before?

Chuck the Writer, how can you call yourself a journalist? You stated that the ABA Vermont owner wasn;t doing this ABA thing for the story and yet we find out that is exactly why he is doing it? You realy had no clue did you??? Secondly, myself nor anyone of my colleagues in the NBA have ever heard of you. As Ted Williams use to say about Boston writers, if they were any good, they would be in NY. You Chuck the "Writer"? None of us have ever heard of you or your work thus you cannot be that good. Keep your opinions about me to yourself. I don't respect your writing, your opinions or you. Pounder? Well, he can trash me because the guy has actually posted substance on this site and has real basketball knowledge, so I don't mind hearing it from someone that knows more about hoops then you......which is pretty much everyone. You? Sorry Chuck, no respect for you or your opinions. Sam Hill? LOL......

I knew it wouldn't be long before you returned to OSC before you took a swipe at me again. :rolleyes:

Be that as it may, a1sports may be right more times than he is wrong, but what has he accomplished with this phone call? Yeah, he called someone in Corning and asked if they've heard of the Bulldogs. That's about the equivalent of someone calling Portland, Maine and asking if they ever heard of the Portland Mountain Cats of the USBL. And nine times out of ten the response will be "the what of the where?" And the tenth time will have someone respond "Oh, you mean the Lumberjacks that used to play in the CBA?"

[barkley34]

First off, what the hell does Maine and the Portland Mountain Cats have to do with me???? How am I associated with the USBL in any way, shape or form??? Why would I care???

Second, where did I mention your name in my post? Where? Where did I refer to Chuck the Writer? Does the shoe fit or something? You sound a bit defensive. I could give two %&$#'s about you or anything you write, and I certainly did not post anything offensive towards you?

[Fells]

Here is my take on this. A1 called the assessor's office and asked if they had heard of the Corning Bulldogs and no one could respond in the affirmative. Now, having taken research methods classes in college, I know that just one very small sample doesn't mean poo. Were these sports fans? Do they have any ties to the basketball community? Do they even live within an hour of Corning? There are many variables there, and sorry A1, but your argument doesn't mean much when it is such a small sample.

Now on the other hand, if say Chuck went to health clubs, high school games, and walked down the street randomly asking people if they had heard of the Bulldogs, and 20 out of 200 surveyed said they had, then that would be significant. The reason being that it is a broader sample, and there is a higher probablity the survey would have statistical significance as there are more people being surveyed, and the target market is being asked the question.

Again, I think we are making Mount Everest out of a simple mole hill here.

By the way Barkley, I am not a "writer", I do write as part of my living. For the record, I don't desire to work for the New York Times as I just couldn't deal with New York traffic and congestion everyday. Now the San Francisco Chronicle on the other hand........

[barkley34]

Fells, I fully understand your a commentator, radio guy, play by play, etc., I never insinuated anything towards you in my comment about A1. It was about others who come on here dissing the guy or others because he/they immediately don't have the facts, like they are some editor for Time Magazine or something, when the fact remains this is a Message Board and when someone makes a statement we need to take it as fact until they are proven otherwise. Some people act "hoiler then though" and demand facts with every statement. From what I have seen, statements from A1 always pan out to be true.

[Chuck the Writer]

Now on the other hand, if say Chuck went to health clubs, high school games, and walked down the street randomly asking people if they had heard of the Bulldogs, and 20 out of 200 surveyed said they had, then that would be significant. The reason being that it is a broader sample, and there is a higher probablity the survey would have statistical significance as there are more people being surveyed, and the target market is being asked the question.

Essentially, what Fells is trying to say (I believe) is that if one wanted to, one could skew the data to represent whatever they wanted. A1sports made a specific phone call to the assessor's office, got two people who knew nothing of the Corning Bulldogs, and then extrapolated that into a "Nobody in Corning ever heard of the Corning Bulldogs, the team is going to tank because nobody will go to their games."

The fact of the matter is, is that we've got 30 days - less than a month - and the ABA's schedule is as clear as mud. Half the teams don't have full schedules on their hompeages, the league doesn't have a master schedule, there have been very few press releases about player signings or training camps, teams are joining the ABA three months after a supposed cap on expansion was to have taken place, the Buffalo Silverbacks have virtually dropped out, the Virginia Ballerz may come back in, the Bahama Pro Show hasn't scheduled any home games, Reno has no coach and no home venue, the Boston franchise already changed its name twice, the Turner PlayOn! Sports deal is sounding more like an ABA Red White and Blue concert, the ABA's failed attempts to add a "Flint Tropics" team to coincide, "Mighty Ducks" style, with the new "Semi-Pro" Will Ferrell movie; each episode of the ABA All Access Show brings new meaning to baseless propaganda and demagoguery; team owners troll on OSC under false identities to prop up their franchise images and to trash other leagues; statistics are non-existent, any sort of player biographies are non-existent, a media guide is non-existent, connections to USABasketball are non-existent - I could go further, but I think there's a word limit on OSC posts.

By the way Barkley, I am not a "writer", I do write as part of my living. For the record, I don't desire to work for the New York Times as I just couldn't deal with New York traffic and congestion everyday. Now the San Francisco Chronicle on the other hand........

And not that I have to defend myself against anybody, but yes I am a writer. A professional writer for more than 15 years, published nationally and internationally. Two published books. Awards received from peer organizations. And as for writing for the New York Times... didn't Jayson Blair write for that paper?

[barkley34]

Understood. All I was doing was defending A1 until he is proven otherwise on his facts. Thats that. And I agree, the NY Times is nothing but a liberal, hack rag.

[panchess]

..the owner of the Bulldogs lives in Geneva and went to school in Corning. I assume the address of the corporation that it is registered under is his home address.

[a1sports]

Who said it was research? It was a poll, look up the definition of the word "Poll" Too many ABA apologists on here. Whats really fuuny and shows the IQ of some of the posters is, they can do the same thing I do, MAKE A PHONE CALL, yet they come on here and ask for proof or say "they dont believe it". Not my job to show you proof, not my job to convince you otherwise. Im posting what I get told or what I find out. PERIOD. Thats what this board is for. If your a Kool-aid drinker , you always will be, its no diferent than being a liberal vs. a conservative, you always will have your belief no matter what is shown or explained to you. Im not trying to convert anyone to the ABA, Im just showing you why IMO its a joke of a semi-professional basketball league and tarnishes the images of leagues like the CBA along with hurting the players that dont get paid, the venues that dont get paid the sponsors that are burned etc etc etc. SO when someone says, Hey we are going to be a great organization and we have the best players and the best marketing( supposedly giant ads in the newspapers and heavy media coverage) we have the mayors backing etc etc, In a small town, a simple phone call should produce at least one " Yea, I think I did hear something about a basketball team but not sure where or what" Ok then you have done some good media saturation. SOmetimes people just cant handle the TRUTH !
ALl I did was post one phone call at random. DO you want to hear the results when I called a local sporting goods store in Corning ?, now you would have to admit they would have to know something about a basketball team. But if I post the results the apologists will get on and say, Well I need proof and maybe that store only sells hockey and football stuff or well that store probably only uses high school drop outs as employees so they wouldnt know or thats not scientific enough, you would have to call 6 sporting goods stores at 4 different hours on a thursday....LOL, Oh yea..the results: NO ONE IN THE STORE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT A BASKETBALL TEAM..surprise , surprise

[Fells]

Who said it was research? It was a poll, look up the definition of the word "Poll" Too many ABA apologists on here. Whats really fuuny and shows the IQ of some of the posters is, they can do the same thing I do, MAKE A PHONE CALL, yet they come on here and ask for proof or say "they dont believe it". Not my job to show you proof, not my job to convince you otherwise. Im posting what I get told or what I find out. PERIOD. Thats what this board is for. If your a Kool-aid drinker , you always will be, its no diferent than being a liberal vs. a conservative, you always will have your belief no matter what is shown or explained to you. Im not trying to convert anyone to the ABA, Im just showing you why IMO its a joke of a semi-professional basketball league and tarnishes the images of leagues like the CBA along with hurting the players that dont get paid, the venues that dont get paid the sponsors that are burned etc etc etc. SO when someone says, Hey we are going to be a great organization and we have the best players and the best marketing( supposedly giant ads in the newspapers and heavy media coverage) we have the mayors backing etc etc, In a small town, a simple phone call should produce at least one " Yea, I think I did hear something about a basketball team but not sure where or what" Ok then you have done some good media saturation. SOmetimes people just cant handle the TRUTH !
ALl I did was post one phone call at random. DO you want to hear the results when I called a local sporting goods store in Corning ?, now you would have to admit they would have to know something about a basketball team. But if I post the results the apologists will get on and say, Well I need proof and maybe that store only sells hockey and football stuff or well that store probably only uses high school drop outs as employees so they wouldnt know or thats not scientific enough, you would have to call 6 sporting goods stores at 4 different hours on a thursday....LOL, Oh yea..the results: NO ONE IN THE STORE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT A BASKETBALL TEAM..surprise , surprise

No, that is not the point. The point I made was that the way you portrayed things is that no one in Corning has heard of the Bulldogs because of the one phone call you made. That in itself doesn't say very much at all as it is simply one office with just a few people. That may not be the way you wanted it to come across, but to me, it did.

Tell me something. Why is it that when someone makes a point that is not shared by you, they are all of a sudden "ABA apologists"? As I have stated countless times before, and is evident in articles I have written, I am far from that. What I do is to see things in an objective manner which is something that you don't seem like you are able to do. Now, I know you have seen people burned by the league, so I totally understand where you are coming from. Just remember though that one phone call doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Now again, if you had talked to say even 50 people and no one had heard of the Bulldogs, you would have a much stronger point.

[logoguru]

If you look at OSC and the "new teams" in the past few weeks, a month before the season, the Bulldogs are "well established" in comparison, I think theyve been around for at least 6 months if not more. Its a lazy town, I think theyll be pretty successful, and I love the logo *wink*
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[Chuck the Writer]

Well, the Corning Chamber of Commerce may not have recognized the Bulldogs, but the Radisson Hotel (with a little prodding) did recognize the Bulldogs.

I decided that it might be a good idea to take the wife out to Corning and check out some of the sites (Corning Museum of Glass, Rockwell Museum of Western Art), and in the process, to go to the much-ballyhoo'd Corning-Houston game. After the Radisson receptionist ("Bonnie") double-checked on rate availability, she did inform me that yes, the Radisson offers a discount for those attending Corning Bulldogs games; I ended up saving $30 for a one-night, two-person stay.

So I am going to Corning that weekend for the game. So if anybody else is either actually GOING to the game or not, perhaps there can be an OSC convention or meeting at the Radisson or in some other mutually convenient place (maybe we can all have a Joe Newman breakfast at the local McDonald's).

[BreakersFan]

Well, the Corning Chamber of Commerce may not have recognized the Bulldogs, but the Radisson Hotel (with a little prodding) did recognize the Bulldogs.

I decided that it might be a good idea to take the wife out to Corning and check out some of the sites (Corning Museum of Glass, Rockwell Museum of Western Art), and in the process, to go to the much-ballyhoo'd Corning-Houston game. After the Radisson receptionist ("Bonnie") double-checked on rate availability, she did inform me that yes, the Radisson offers a discount for those attending Corning Bulldogs games; I ended up saving $30 for a one-night, two-person stay.

So I am going to Corning that weekend for the game. So if anybody else is either actually GOING to the game or not, perhaps there can be an OSC convention or meeting at the Radisson or in some other mutually convenient place (maybe we can all have a Joe Newman breakfast at the local McDonald's).

Chuck - I will be in Corning for the game. I'd love to buy you an egg mcmuffin as a thank you for all the entertainment you've given us.

P.S. Any truth to the rumor that the Wreckers will be playing the Silverbacks schedule?

[preeths]

Enough with the broad swipes. I can't for the life of me understand why people feel the need to insult or question the integrity of those who don't agree with them 100 percent. First, someone takes a swing at writers, in the process insulting at least two members of the board he didn't intend to. Then, others are called "Kool-aid drinkers" or "apologists" simply because they didn't put any weight to one phone call. What is the sense of that?

A1, you know Fells has been critical of the ABA. He and others bring up a good point. Your poll sampling is too small and uncarefully chosen to have any validity. But, you'll argue, all I did was make a phone call. That's fine, but don't expect anyone to take that as proof of anything. The ABA has given a lot of proof over the years that it is a "semi-professional basketball league." We don't need daily posts of unverifiable phone calls or the like to convince most here of that. Facts - names, dates, places, amounts owed, etc. - are much more productive.

In political terms, all you're doing is speaking to your base, your most fervent followers, and gradually alienating everyone else. Stick to facts, and you may be surprised at just who listens.

[a1sports]

Paul, Agreed !! Apology to anyone offended.

[one way]

chuck, kudos. way to put your money where your mouth is. I can't wait to read about the game. Thanks

[Corning Bulldogs]

Just wanted to clarify some things that were brought up on here.

Have we taken out an add in the sports section of the Star Gazette ?

Yes. We have taken out a multi-thousand $ advertising campaign with the Star Gazette. It is the main paper of the Southern Tier and strectches through several citys and counties and even goes into Northern PA.

Have we been covered well in the media ?

Yes. Every player signing was indeed run the same day/night of the signing on the TV news. WETM TV covered every player signing where as WENY TV covered about half, WETM TV also covered the open tryouts. About half of the signings were run in the Star Gazette news paper with a strong emphasis from the paper on the two local star players (Will Campbell and Demontric Doddles).

We are closing a deal tommorow afternoon with the top radio station in the Southern Tier to broadcast live from the home games as "The voice of the Bulldogs". Details will be avialable soon.

The most recognizable and well respected person from the Southern Tier in the media is actually suiting up for the Corning Bulldogs as the teams Celeb player for the home opener , details will come out closer to game time but "Fells" already has details on this.

We have 5 large scale events planned to take place in the Corning/Elmira area with the players and coaches from now until the opening tip off. The first event is on Saturday October 13th details on that will be available early next week.

So why has A1Sports chosen to take a bogus cheap shot at us ? I am not him so I can not say for sure but ask your self this. Why does A1 Sports take cheap shots all the time at Alex Wolf and the Vermont Frostheaves ? I believe the answer is because they do things the right way and have nothing but positive publicity and his goal is to take anything positve down.

Does A1 have a legit beef with the league ? I dont know , maybe , probably ?

It appears instead of sticking to the flaws from a league standpoint he has tryed to put a black spot on any teams that appear to be doing things the right way inorder to further the attack on the league.

This whole experience of owning this team is the best thing that has ever happened to me in my life if for no other reason then it has made grow up and become a man while most 24 year old's still go out and party on weekends I spend all of my working my tail off so I can try to spend time with my 4 month old daughter and still have some amount of time be a part of her life.

3 or 4 months ago I would have come on here and been ranting and raving about this A1 Sports post, but you know what ?

I hold no ill will against the poster who goes by the name A1 Sports. I may never wish to take the guy out to lunch, but at the end of the day he is not just a poster but he is a human being just like all of us.

I am going to keep moving my team in the right direction that I feel is best and I hope to put smiles on some family's faces on November 10th.

Corning Bulldogs
James R. Schutz
(585) 409 - 0130
info@corningbulldogs.com

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

So why has A1Sports chosen to take a bogus cheap shot at us ? I am not him so I can not say for sure but ask your self this. Why does A1 Sports take cheap shots all the time at Alex Wolf and the Vermont Frostheaves ? I believe the answer is because they do things the right way and have nothing but positive publicity and his goal is to take anything positve down.

Does A1 have a legit beef with the league ? I dont know , maybe , probably ?

It appears instead of sticking to the flaws from a league standpoint he has tryed to put a black spot on any teams that appear to be doing things the right way inorder to further the attack on the league.

...

3 or 4 months ago I would have come on here and been ranting and raving about this A1 Sports post, but you know what ?

...


Corning Bulldogs
James R. Schutz
(585) 409 - 0130
info@corningbulldogs.com

Um, didn't someone else come on here and do the same??

Originally Posted by Corning Tax Payer
Vermonts team = weak

rochesters team = solid but not as good as last years

buffalos team = the front runners

Corning Bulldogs = next years champions

Like i said vermont is made up of crappy d-2 and d-3 players and a few guys who played d-1 but were role players at best
just because you played on a good team but were not good does not mean you are good now , ok ?

It takes a good GM to make things happen , Vermont signed thier roster way to fast , Buffalo laid back and waited and landed a late cutt 7'2 center from the supersonics and another late NBA cutt in Kueth Duany the former star from syracuse university , face it Buffalo's talent is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr beyond that of Vermont , Vermont would be lucky to beat a high school team from Vermont .......oh wait they dont even use a shot clock yet in high school basketball in vermont , that should explain alot about the state of basketball in Vermont


GO BULLDOGS!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Corning Tax Payer
I do not care who the ownership is , when you have players as soft as Vermont's they are not going to stand up to the team Buffalo has put together , its just a fact. Like I said if you think Alex Wolf can take a below average roster full of d-2 and d-3 bums and win games against Buffalo and Rochester then maybe you should suit Alex Wolf up , like I said he suited up last year for Maryland in a stunt to get publicity for Vermont. Not only that but Vermont is playing on the smallest Courts in the history of Pro Basketball , why dont they just play in someones driveway , wouldnt the court be longer ?


Go Bulldogs!

Originally Posted by Corning Tax Payer
Just as I said Vermont's roster is weak , Basketball USA ranked them at the bottom of the north east just as I do. As I also stated Rochester and Buffalo will be at the top , just as Basketball USA has stated.

Face it , a good sports writer from SI and a bad team , does not = wins


CORNING BULLDOGS!

Originally Posted by Corning Tax Payer
You are actually making reference to cutt d-3 basketball players and being good ?
If thats your best argument for Vermont's team being good then good luck.
The facts dont lie , they have a bad team , good managment but a bad team.
The managment wont be the ones trying to hang with the Buffalo's and Rochester's on the court this season so stop with all the great managment talk the facts are they didnt do a good job putting together a team ( wait I think that might mean they dotn have good managment ) damn so what does Vermont have ? A guy who can write a sports article ? And they have a roster full of weak former d-2 and d-3 players.
But then again we are talking about Vermont , a state in which has not even put a shot clock in the high school basketball game yet , HAHAHAHAHa


Originally Posted by Corning Tax Payer
If Vermont has such good managment then why are they not the best team in even there region of play ? Even you say they are the third best team , USABasketball sais they are at the bottom of the North East Region and I agree with that. The fact is this "great managment" but together a "bad team" so again I ask what makes them so great ???? Does Alex Wolf being able to write an article make him great managment , if so then why are they not anywhere near as talented as Rochester and Buffalo and other teams in the North East. The fact is Alex Wolf is a hell of a sports writer with good ideas but no actions.

So what Vermont has is a bad team put together by Alex Wolf.
The smallest courts to play basketball on in the history of pro basketball.
Alex Wolf couldnt even get a real gym ?
And they play in a state in which no one could give a rats ass about basketball.
Suit Taylor Coppenrath up and you might actually win a game, but not even the "great Alex Wolf" could land him on the roster. Apparently he was to eager to scout at the last place games between d-3 and d-2 colleges.

[Corning Bulldogs]

That was not me. It was also not someone who mows my lawn , for reasons I can not disclose I can not say who it really was. Paul and Fells know who it was and I believe they understand why I wont give up the identity of whom it was. Every time I speak to Fells on the phone, Vermont ends up being part of the conversation and in a very positive way.

I am actually a huge fan of Vermont. The more games I watch of them on youtube the more excited I get to have the chance to actually play them in Vermont. That atmosphere is what every minor league basketball team should shoot for.

[OneBetter]

That was not me. It was also not someone who mows my lawn , for reasons I can not disclose I can not say who it really was. Paul and Fells know who it was and I believe they understand why I wont give up the identity of whom it was. Every time I speak to Fells on the phone, Vermont ends up being part of the conversation and in a very positive way.

I am actually a huge fan of Vermont. The more games I watch of them on youtube the more excited I get to have the chance to actually play them in Vermont. That atmosphere is what every minor league basketball team should shoot for.

Ooooooooooh, all these secrets. It sounds as if Mr. Shultz is wrapped up in a CIA conspiracy case!

[rams80]

From what I have seen, statements from A1 always pan out to be true.

Except I'm not Joe Newman.

[Corning Bulldogs]

Originally Posted by barkley34
From what I have seen, statements from A1 always pan out to be true.


He lied about my teams open tryouts as well. Called me a liar for saying that Rochester Razorshark players came to my first tryout. Well both of them acutually came back for the 2nd tryout as well and I still speak to both of them on a regular basis. Both are great human beings.

All this is in the past but it seemed relevant since you told us that he always tells the truth.

No hard feelings , A1.

[OneBetter]

Originally Posted by barkley34
From what I have seen, statements from A1 always pan out to be true.


He lied about my teams open tryouts as well. Called me a liar for saying that Rochester Razorshark players came to my first tryout. Well both of them acutually came back for the 2nd tryout as well and I still speak to both of them on a regular basis. Both are great human beings.

All this is in the past but it seemed relevant since you told us that he always tells the truth.

No hard feelings , A1.

Any YOU'RE one to be bringing up the past? Don't think for one second that we don't remember the ABA06er fiasco.

You definitely are not in a position now to be judging others.

[Strong Island Sound]

James,

The only things that I am interested in regarding all of these posts are the positive points that you have explained in great detail. I think that it is great news that you have received so much publicity for your team from the local media, not even counting the ad campaign. The TV and radio coverage is a big step and you should be commended for getting them the information that they are putting out there on the team.

You sound like a man wise above your years and I see no reason why you cannot succeed in the same manner that Vermont has. I look forward to meeting you and wish you all the best.

[Corning Bulldogs]

James,

The only things that I am interested in regarding all of these posts are the positive points that you have explained in great detail. I think that it is great news that you have received so much publicity for your team from the local media, not even counting the ad campaign. The TV and radio coverage is a big step and you should be commended for getting them the information that they are putting out there on the team.

You sound like a man wise above your years and I see no reason why you cannot succeed in the same manner that Vermont has. I look forward to meeting you and wish you all the best.


Strong Island,

I thank you for the kind words. If any one else is looking at what I have done and thinks its easy and they can do it I would consider taking a big step back. I have literally given up sleep inorder to get things to where they are at this point, I rarley ever have time to spend with my family. The energy and not cracking with giving up sleep is really where the age is a big plus. I think being wise beyond you're years is also a plus and again I thank you for that, but more then that it comes down to brainstorming. I brain storm 24 hours a day on ways to improve the team itself , market the team with new ideas, make contacts with everyone from tv stations and radio stations to agents and a lot of contacts in between, plus setting up large scale events like I have lined up starting next Saturday and I write EVERY idea down. I have gone through over 50 large AMPAD notebooks in just this last month alone.

I think I am good at what I do and one day I hope to be great, but trust me when I say I do not think anyone else would be willing to make the life sacrifices I have made inorder to be where this team is today.

Again , I appreciate the kind words. Also my phone is always with me and I always find time to talk to everyone who calls so anyone can feel free to call me, make each person feel important because that person who became a supporter has a family and friends and it causes a chain effect.

Now I have to go prep my notes for the meeting with the Radio Station tommorow.


James R. Schutz
(585) 409 0130
info@corningbulldogs.com

[psbf]

of getting off topic, CB, you said you rarely see your family because of all your work. I would hope you can make some time to see them. I believe that family time is important, more so than work. The fact that you rarely see them is sad(imo).

[Corning Bulldogs]

It is very ruff not being able to ever spend time with them. I am doing all of this now so that when this team get's off the ground and running full steam ahead then I can scale back a small bit.

For me failure is not an option at this point so instead of letting up a little form what I have done the day before I come at it the next day 10 times harder and so on.

For now I am lucky and blessed to have my family's support on what I am doing because they see the same results as I do as I do brief them on what is taking place.

[one way]

what is your total operating buget for this year?

[Corning Bulldogs]

I am not going to toss out what the estimated budget is at right now because numbers is private business. I will offer some info, right now it is more then tripple what we had estimated just as recent as 4 months ago.

If you want to contend for a championship you can not toss 10 local players out onto the court and hope for the best. Some teams do it and thats them , but not us.

Also, Will not mention any names but I will say this much. I am currently working with one of the most high profile agents in the game (most of his clients are NBA stars) to bring in a player that will put us so far beyond over the top. This deal appears to be 99.9% done , it will not be announced for atleast 2 weeks. This player is a large reason as to the large spike in the budget.

[one way]

what is your player salary budget (total)?
How much is your arena lease?
What do you pay in workmans comp?
What do you pay scorer's atble workers?
What is your travel budget?
What is your per diem estimation for training camp and the season?
How much is your player housing?
Do you provide transportation for players? If so, how much is that?
What is your buyout for overseas contracts?
Do you have to pay for security and arena workers seperatly or is it part of your arena lease?
What is the budget for training camp-i.e. flying players in?
How many sales people do you have in your office and are they salaried or commission based?
What is your advertising budget, newspaper and radio?


I got a bunch more, but I am just trying to figure this whole thing out. Certainly you can answer these questions without throwing out an estimated number.

[bomp]

A1 is merely re-inforcing the notion that this "league" (term used lightly) is full of pretenders and a couple of real teams.

Joe rounds up this loose collection of small time businessmen, dreamers, used car salesmen and one trick ponies. Then Joe finds a guy in Quebec or Vermont that can actually run a team. He keeps digging up enough chumps to play, or at least schedule against the few good teams.

This whole thing is one of the more interesting case studies in business I can imagine.

That about says it all, Paul.