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Chuck the Writer
09-13-2007, 07:35 AM
From the Chicago Sun-Times:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-cicerohoops_13sep13,1,238305.story


Surveying the 1,500 empty seats in musty Cicero Stadium on Wednesday, Javier Haggar made a prediction.

"We're going to fill this place up," said Haggar, who is bringing professional basketball to Cicero, one of the blue-collar suburb's most unlikely initiatives since announcing last month that 25 Mexican mummies will be visiting next year.

"Every single game."

This is on September 13, 2007. I just want to make sure this is date-stamped so that when this team is on the mortuary slab, this quotation can be used as an example of false irony.

Though the first ticket has yet to be printed—or the schedule made or the roster finalized—Haggar said his Cicero Cometas are slated to tip off next month as the latest entrant in the American Basketball Association, a league short on frills and long on teams—about 60 of them.

Sixty franchises? Is "Magpie" going to drop 20 more teams on us 7 weeks before tip-off? What's that, $200,000 in franchise fees in his pocket?

That's right, Corning Bulldogs, West Texas Whirlwinds and Vermont Frost Heaves: There's a new kid in town.

And she's looking good... there's a fresh freckled face in the neighborhood... there's a new girl in town, with a brand new smile, she was just passing through ... but if things work out she's going to stay ... a while ... bump bump bump bump bummmmmm.

Hey, maybe the players can have their post-game meals at Mel's Diner!

http://bigbob.com/alice/14ozcup.jpg

Haggar, a Mexican immigrant who co-owns an Oak Park restaurant, envisions $10 tickets, well-stocked concession stands, team merchandise and maybe even a cable television deal.

"But they haven't called me back yet," he said of the cable company. "I'm really going to have to sell it to them."

They haven't called back because they're still on the floor laughing like someone who survived a triple-header of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Airplane and The Best of Candid Camera.

Haggar started the Cometas five years ago in a Mexican basketball league, basing the team in the state of Querétaro. Four years of commuting was enough, though, and he decided to bring the franchise closer to home. After considering Oak Park and Berwyn, he found a fit with Cicero, mostly because of the modest Park District stadium, 1909 S. Laramie Ave., where the white court is scuffed by decades of pickup games.

See, there ARE Mexican basketball leagues! All it takes is a little research...

He kept the Spanish name—which translates to "Comets"—to bond with Cicero's heavily Latino population, but promises a diverse team of blacks, whites, Latinos and players with Chinese and Japanese roots. Haggar doesn't plan to make money during the five-month season; he said he just doesn't want to lose money.

And yet he's involved in the ABA...

"The main thing is to unify the community," he said. "I want to bring a mom, dad and two kids here for $40. If you want to go to the Bulls game, it's $55 per person, and that's to sit all the way at the top!"

That's assuming that the Bulls and the Cometas are on the same level of basketball quality. You can't go to Nordstrom and complain that the shirt you want to buy is ten times as expensive as the one in the Salvation Army Thrift Store.

In a town recently told that some of the legendary "mummies of Guanajuato" were coming to Cicero as part of an art exhibit,

I didn't know Howard Judah was going to play for the Cometas...

reaction about a basketball team coming from Mexico was mixed.

Marko Lukin, 37, who remodels houses, said he can't afford Bulls games and would likely investigate the Cometas.

"People who live here are all about Cicero, so they are going to support it," he said. "I know their jersey sales are going to be really high."

I got $2, $2, who'll give me $3, $2 for this box of Cometas jerseys, come on people, bid high on this bankruptcy auction, I got $2, $2, going once, going twice, sold to the old coot with the squirrel on his head for $2. No sir, I will not accept payment of an ABA franchise in exchange for the uniforms.

But Erica Marin, 21, was skeptical.

"If there is nobody from Cicero playing, why would I go see it unless it's pro?" she said.

Ah, decisions, decisions, decisions.

The ABA—namesake of a 1960s and '70s league that was home to greats such as Julius "Dr. J" Erving and George "Iceman" Gervin—has seen several Chicago teams come and go with little fanfare.

Yeah, I seem to recall the Chicago Soldiers of 2004...

http://www.abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2004082706003

And the Chicago Rockets of 2005...

http://www.abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2005080106002

And the Chicago Rockstars of 2006...

http://www.abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2006022406002

And the Chicago Throwbacks of 2007...

http://www.abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2007030206001

And the Chicago (fill in the blanks) of 2008...


But members of the Cometas said Cicero is primed for a team because it doesn't compete with major league offerings in Chicago.

They'd be lucky to compete with the local Saturday Night Deep Dish Pizza League!

The oldest Cometa, 35-year-old point guard Kenny Williams, said the Vermont Frost Heaves had a devoted and rollicking crowd when he visited last year as coach of the (defunct) Chicago Rockstars. He figures, what else are you going to do in Cicero, like in Vermont, on a cold January night?

Oh, I don't know... visit OSC?

"These smaller teams really get the backing and excitement," said Williams, University of Illinois at Chicago's second all-time leading scorer who spent a training camp with the NBA's Seattle SuperSonics. "In Cicero it could really snowball."

That's probably what people will be throwing at the players when they're losing by 30 points to a replacement team because the scheduled squad didn't show up.

Along with Williams, the Cometas will be fielding a team that could generously be called eclectic. Those competing for spots range from teenagers who barely played on their high school teams to former professionals in Europe and Israel.

With player salaries ranging from $1,200 to $4,500 per month, what most players have in common is a love of basketball and a dream of something more. Most hope to be seen by scouts in other leagues. Williams said he knows of several players who parlayed ABA stints into professional European contracts.

"Any time an athlete gets paid, it's professional," he said. "You're not going to get rich, but it's an opportunity."

Hear that, kiddies? If you get paid, it's a professional league. If you don't get paid, it's an amateur league. If some players get paid and others don't, then it's a semi-pro league.

Gerardo Romero, a 19-year-old point guard who grew up in Cicero, loads trucks for UPS. He caught the eye of Cometas coach Michael Harris in an open tryout.

"I just want an opportunity to show myself, to start at the bottom and work my way up," Romero said. "The NBA isn't that far away. Well it is, but it isn't."

There might be an added benefit for players if this guy makes the team. How many people can ride in the back of those UPS trucks for road games?

Town President Larry Dominick told Haggar Wednesday that he only roots for the Cubs, proved when he rolled up his sleeves to reveal a fist-sized Cubs tattoo on each meaty shoulder.

"Now I've got two teams," Dominick said. "When [the Cometas] win the championship, we'll have their flags flying all over the place."

Funny thing, I can understand the loyalty of fans who would get their team's logo tattooed on their body. Has anyone ever shown that much loyalty to their ABA franchise that they would go get some ink on their frame for it?

Probably only if the tattoo needle was a Sharpie.

WHAFAN
09-13-2007, 11:47 AM
The only cable tv coverage Cicero will ever receive is the news crew in the area to report on another shooting, stabbing or drug deal gone bad. If Mom, Dad and 2 kids have $40 to spend on entertainment, and they choose to go to Cicero Stadium for an ABA game, Dad might want to consider using that $40 to have a professional resume written for himself. A better paying job would help out when it comes to having disposeable income for entertainment. If I sat down on those bleachers in that hell hole, I'd burn my pants as soon as I got home.

Use Google Earth, take a look at the neighborhood this place is in. Its all abandoned trucking terminals, burnt out apartment houses and industrial waste. The weeds are higher than most buildings. Not to mention some of our most beloved " south of the border" citizens standing around selling fake gold chains, drinking out of a brown bag and looking for any type of tube shaped debris to smoke crack. I've seen it and them, this is no lie.

besl
09-13-2007, 11:51 AM
From the Chicago Sun-Times:
"The main thing is to unify the community," he said. "I want to bring a mom, dad and two kids here for $40. If you want to go to the Bulls game, it's $55 per person, and that's to sit all the way at the top!"

I'm getting sick of people touting the ABA as an affordable alternative to the NBA. I just checked the Bulls website, and the cheapest tickets at the United Center are $10, not $55. So that's the same price as this guy wants to charge for an ABA game. I guarantee a family will have more fun sitting in the last row at a Bulls game than sitting in the first row at a Cometas game.

TheStandard
09-13-2007, 12:06 PM
Hmmm. Mr Rivera. What will you do. Keep your Lakers Season tickets and your Anaheim Aresnal season tickets and those tickets you get on the side for Clippers games? Or spend money to watch an ABA team?

Let me spend more money sponsoring a National Junior Basketball team at the Westminster, CA NJB for 2007-2008 instead along with spending my cash on real pro basketball.

WHAFAN
09-13-2007, 12:11 PM
The ABA is only an alternative to the following:

-a do it yourself root canal kit
-sitting on a bicycle without a seat
-sliding naked down an unsanded railing
-a red hot poker in the cornhole
-using Liquid Drano to cure jock itch
-mashed potatoes with bits of broken glass added in


By the way, most high school basketball teams in the Chicago area are $2-3 at the door. They have real matching uniforms and everything! High school kids trying their best is a HUGE step above this ABA crap.

tops804
09-13-2007, 08:50 PM
....However, by the time they've figured out that the head of their corporation
took their money and ran...Its more like "high debts".

Any PHD's out there that can do a study/book on "manic depression and the
ABA owner."

TEN
09-13-2007, 11:24 PM
One piece of rhetoric that has always irked me concerning the ABA....How much more affordable tickets are for an ABA game compared to a NBA game....

I took my family to numerous Hornets games in OKC over the past two years and never paid more than 10 bucks a ticket and sat on the front row of the upper deck...25 dollar tickets were front row of the upper deck at mid court...

After reading this propaganda over the past few years...I was surprised that the NBA had 10 dollar tickets....The Hornets had probably 3000 of them a night.

Pounder
09-14-2007, 12:30 PM
I will say that there's only about 6 "half sections" in the Rose Garden in Portland with $10 tickets, not really big sections, and it doesn't reach the front row of the upper deck. They're up high, in an arena ready for hockey but somewhat messed up by the maximized flexibility of the place. Those tickets usually sell out. Point is, I doubt every market had what sounds like a sweet deal in OKC.

Mind you, the Blazers sold some special $99 25-game passes last year. They obviously didn't need to have anything like that ready this year, since Greg Oden sold bucketloads of tickets before the surgery, but Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge are a step up anyway.

Strong Island Sound
09-15-2007, 12:22 AM
Just for the sake of looking, I found out that you can get tickets for $10 to go see the Knicks versus the improved Celtics at MSG in Oct. on a week night for a preseason game. It is in the highest section with an obstructed view, but it is still the NBA. Regular season tickets aren't on sale yet, so for now we'll use the exhibition prices as a barometer.

The average price for an ABA game is $10. Maybe an adult would prefer a game in the nosebleeds that he may see the regulars playing for a half or so, but for a little kid, being in the front row and having the chance to walk on the court after the game up to the players on the bench for free autographs is important. For all the negatives talked about on these boards, you can't deny that young fans get a big thrill out of talking to a pro athlete, even if he is in an independent minor league. Kids don't read into everything and become cynical, as many people become in their adulthood.

And knocking the Cicero owner for his comments in this article are a bit out of line, as well. What do you want him to say? He is keeping the attitude that things will go well for him and his team. Will they? I wouldn't even guess either way. He may just get by or have it go really well or really bad. That isn't for us to say. But at least he seems to be making a conscious effort to succeed.

psbf
09-15-2007, 01:30 AM
be getting a little off topic, but seeing that the NBA is being mentioned I want to add this. Posters seem to have their own opinions of the top league. What I hate about the NBA is the players who have giant egos, while there are also those who are generous with charity work. Those are who I admire.
I grew up on Long Island and often listened to Knicks home games on the radio or watched on tv when they went on the road. I never went to MSG because I felt it was too expensive and I still feel that way. Which is why I preferr going to minor league action. I love supporting the Xplosion because it fits my budget. Even when they were in the ABA I loved them and the fact that so many games were and are canceled makes me feel fortunate that I was able to see almost all of them. Only one(vs. Detroit) was canceled.
I'm sure different cities have different price ranges for their teams, but give me minor league to big league action. To me it's just as good.
As far as the team this thread is about(sorry forgot the spelling) I say more power to him.