Puerto Rico Tiburones Vs The Orlando Aces. They are playing 40 year olds!!!!!!!!

[TheStandard]

Ahhhh. When the Director of Operations of the BSN calls me just an hour ago and is just laughing over what ABA teams would do to show they have "game: ; I just had to listen.

Remember the Orlando Aces were playing a team from Puerto Rico called The Tiburones aka Sharks. Where the team organizers are two broke men who couldn't pay the rent at the TD waterhouse arena in march for a BSN game they hosted and one of the team owners ponied( Wow a PONY mention) up the cash and has them paying in payments or else they will be in cement blocks over lake buena vista!

Well first off the Tiburones are playing in a tournament at the Kissimmee Civic Center on September 28th and 29th.

Now why would a team of young ABA players would wan't to play these guys?

Ok lets see all these guys were former BSN stars that were tremendous players in their days. BACK IN THE 80's.

The Tiburones are a team that are in the 40 and over bracket division of the tournament. One of their players which is Mario Butler who still plays in the BSN is 47. Although hes still powerful the rest of the cast is more done than a 2 dollar steak. James Carter, Wes Correa, Edwin Pellot, Pablo Alicea,

Now i know that last years Veterans Tourney at Kissimmee the Tiburones were a team of the 30 and over category, but it was comfirmed this year that those 30 year olds have decided to play for the American Airlines team.

Ok WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A TEAM OF 40 YEAR OLDS?

PATHETIC.

You wont play team American Airlines that is a team full of Current BSN players who are heading to play in the Venezuelan and Brazilian pro league next month???

The ABA has no game. REC LEAGUE AT ITS BEST.

[chuck43]

What is BSN anyway? Also, Mexico has a basketball team/league??? What's the center, 5'4?? Power forward 5'2?? Your kidding right? Mexico with pro basketball is like Jamaica with a full fledged hockey league. Mexico? Basketball?????

[Pounder]

What is BSN anyway? Also, Mexico has a basketball team/league??? What's the center, 5'4?? Power forward 5'2?? Your kidding right? Mexico with pro basketball is like Jamaica with a full fledged hockey league. Mexico? Basketball?????

Holy Eduardo Najera.

Google is your friend. Use it.

(Mind you, even doing that, I find a website talking about a bronze medal in the 1936 Olympics, and while participation in Mexico is at 6 million, the pro leagues there suffer.)

[chuck43]

Najera is the exception, not the rule. And remember, Mexico City has 28 million and having been there 4-5 times I can tell you that I never saw one basketball hoop. Soccer balls, prostitutes, crime and smog......but no basketball being played anywhere.

[Chuck the Writer]

Najera is the exception, not the rule. And remember, Mexico City has 28 million and having been there 4-5 times I can tell you that I never saw one basketball hoop. Soccer balls, prostitutes, crime and smog......but no basketball being played anywhere.

Once again, talking about stuff of which you have no knowledge.

http://www.cbamuseum.com/teams/mexaz.html

The Mexico Aztecs (1994-95 CBA) still hold, at over 12,000 attendees, the record attendance for a single game regular season contest in CBA history. It was only because of a financial imbalance between the dollar and the peso that the team owners moved the franchise to San Diego, where as the Wildcards, the team collapsed in mid-season.

[TheStandard]

The BSN is Puerto Rico's professional basketball league. It is entering its 80th year of existence. This is a league that has a tv contract through WAPA America which is part of DirecTV, Comcast, RCN, Qwest, and Cablevision's Latino programming package.

The league right now is proposing eliminating the round robin play off system and heading into an NBA playoff system but with the first round being 3-5 semis 4-7 finals 4-7 and increasing the regular season by two games which currently is at 32.

Also making the semis and finals game 7 at a neutral site so fans from both cities can get it equally.

Mexico has two pro leagues and both are very stable. Their main league which is going on right now has very good talent especially with the guys on the Mexican National team. Their pay is very good, go ask Majic Dorsey of the Anaheim Arsenal he makes as much there in 3 months that he does in the D-league in a whole season.

[TheStandard]

Once again, talking about stuff of which you have no knowledge.

http://www.cbamuseum.com/teams/mexaz.html

The Mexico Aztecs (1994-95 CBA) still hold, at over 12,000 attendees, the record attendance for a single game regular season contest in CBA history. It was only because of a financial imbalance between the dollar and the peso that the team owners moved the franchise to San Diego, where as the Wildcards, the team collapsed in mid-season.


I remember James Carter playing for the Aztecs hes on the Tiburones and hes 43

[chuck43]

Your right Chuck the "writer", I was wrong I guess because you said I was. How many times have you been to Mexico City and watched games? None? thought so. I don't troll the net all day like yourself. All though I am sure I will get banned from the site for contradicting such a "basketball mind".

The Standard: thanks for some real feedback and some real data to back it up.

[Chuck the Writer]

Your right Chuck the "writer", I was wrong I guess because you said I was.

No, you were wrong because there is empirical data that shows that not only did Mexico have a CBA franchise, it had an extremely high attendance rate - which disproves your "claim" that there was no basketball in Mexico.

How many times have you been to Mexico City and watched games? None? thought so.

Logical fallacy; begs the question. By your argument, Abraham Lincoln never existed because you never met him.

I don't troll the net all day like yourself.

Another logical fallacy; straw man argument. I provided empirical proof that Mexico City had a CBA franchise; you countered (poorly) by claiming that you don't "troll the net all day." Right.

All though I am sure I will get banned from the site for contradicting such a "basketball mind".

Oh I'll just wait until you come back on as barkley34 and send some hostile e-mails to my personal e-mail account, then come back on under another e-mail and apologize, claiming that someone hacked your old account.

Hey Chuck Miller, I took Chuck43 because you hated Barkley34 and I wanted to scew with his name and yours. Thats it. Don't compare me someone else or trying pin blame on me. Thanks

[dbaproball]

..yet I waste my time responding!

OK. So, Mexico had a CBA team that lasted 1 yr 10+ yrs ago, and they won a medal in the Olympics 70 yrs ago (per the other posters.) A basketball mecca they are not. Barre, a town of 10k put 2k in their arena for most games, so 12k for a city of 20 million doesn't seem to support much.

Impressive basketball lineage? No.

Can Mexico spell "basketball" and can Mexico surface with some basketball accomplishment every generation or so? Seems so.

What are we talking about here?

[tbayz1]

I got my money on the Puerto Rican team FTW!!!!!!!

[chuck43]

Hacked my old account???? My bank account,WTF are you talking about?

You spout off on this site 24/7, throwing "empirical data" out there like you pulled off some miracle. What....did you Google some words? Look up some Wikipedia?

The Standard made some great points, answered my questions, and actually knew what he was talking about. Thanks Standard.

[preeths]

chuck43, take your personal problem with Chuck off the board. Fact is, the Mexico City CBA team drew very well. Shocking. Yes, apparently some Mexicans like basketball. Not sure why that's so hard to believe given the game's popularity around the globe.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Just wondering...

But if America is a basketball 'hotbead' - why did Chuck blast the fan base and interest in Vermont a few months back?

Aren't we ALL Americans?

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=7613
BOMP maybe you are right, but Vermont is NOT and never will be a hoops State.........ever............and this SI writer Alex...whatever his name is, manufactured a title with his good friend Joe Newman. I mean lets be real.....Vermont, ONE YEAR in a pro league wins a title?????????Who was the GM Tim Doneghy????? VERMONT?????? When Vermont is EVER mentioned in the same breath as basketball something STINKS!
I live in New England, right outside Vermont and there is absolutely, unequivocally no basketball interest there on a high school or college level. I visit Burlington frequently and Lake Champlain and there MIGHT be one hoop in a driveway every 500 house, and never anyone playing.

The fans for the Heaves were fantastic as was attendance, but when VERMONT is considered a basketball "hot bed" in ANY league, then you know that league is weak. I mean, what about NY, NJ, Boston, LA,.....VERMONT?????? How weak is this league???
Vermont is hockey, hockey, hockey and skiing........and soccer sprinkled in. The only BBall game I went to was at St. michaels, which was well attended. My point is, is that Vermont has never produced anything significant in basketball.....an acclaimed coach, player, school, team......Don't get me wrong, the school basketball season's are very much alive and I guess on some level exciting, but my argument is that when a so-called, "elite" pro minor league like the ABA has at the top of their list, the top of their POWER RANKINGS,.....(ahem)... Vermont, then sweet mother of $%^&#$ that is no league.

Whats next, Tiajuna as an AHL or NHL powerhouse? Australia as a snowboarding mecca? Never in pro basketball on any level has Vermont ever been mentioned, the ABA is a first. Then again, the ABA has produced a lot of "firsts".
http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=7620
Chichester.......your "Top 3 Teams" are as credible as the Top 5 Bobsleading Teams in Australia. You and Joe run a crappy league, crappy organization and when the face of your league is a team called Corning, a team from the basketball "country" of VERMONT', really, where is there hope?

[TheStandard]

i was talking to my dad earlier of when Mexican all star teams used to arrive to Puerto Rico to play against BSN teams and against Real Madrid of Spain who at one point for 10 years held their training camp in Puerto Rico.

He said that the Mexicans always played with one thing and that was with Heart and at times their Heart will lead them to win games. Even to this day in any sport. Mexicans play with 100% heart and it shows. They never give up and never quit.

[Fells]

Oh good Lord..........

[chuck43]

I stand corrected, basketball is a hotbed in Mexico....but you need to tell that to the people in:

1. Mexico City (28 million people and 1 hoop for every 10 million Mexicans)
2. Cancun (Zero hoops or basketball fan base)
3. Cozumel (Zero basketball hoops or activity...check out the central square)
4. Playa del Carmen (Zero basketball....only nets in the neighborhoods....soccer nets)

Granted, 3 of the 4 are tourist zones but the 45 days of the year I am down there, basketball or interest thereof is at an all time zero. Soccer, soccer, soccer, soccer is their sport. But you know what, if you say there is major basketball going on besides the few national teams they field..........well, who am I to argue, right? But please tell the Mexican populate, they might be interested in knowing this. Soccer, is their passion....NOT hoops unfortunately.

[chuck43]

PREETH's....sorry man, Chuck the 'writer' seems to think he has carte blanche going after people and it was irritating. However, no more verbal digs from me in that regard.

[dbaproball]

everybody (i mean everybody) who is taking a strong position here is looking bad. let's keep them from hurting themselves.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Sweeping generalizations make for very poor arguments.

I see soccer fields all over my town and the surrounding area, but I wouldn;t say America is a soccer 'hotbed' - and I am a passionate fan who has played and coached for 30 years, get up at 5:00 AM to see World Cup games, etc.

The thing is, you can find regional pockets of intense interest in soccer in the US, basketball in Mexico, baseball in Europe, etc.

Bottom line, any sport that draws 12,000 attendance is obviously providing something that those fans want to see.

[preeths]

I stand corrected, basketball is a hotbed in Mexico....but you need to tell that to the people in:

1. Mexico City (28 million people and 1 hoop for every 10 million Mexicans)
2. Cancun (Zero hoops or basketball fan base)
3. Cozumel (Zero basketball hoops or activity...check out the central square)
4. Playa del Carmen (Zero basketball....only nets in the neighborhoods....soccer nets)

Granted, 3 of the 4 are tourist zones but the 45 days of the year I am down there, basketball or interest thereof is at an all time zero. Soccer, soccer, soccer, soccer is their sport. But you know what, if you say there is major basketball going on besides the few national teams they field..........well, who am I to argue, right? But please tell the Mexican populate, they might be interested in knowing this. Soccer, is their passion....NOT hoops unfortunately.

But you are arguing against a straw man, not anyone here. You're assuming the sport has to be played in a "hotbed" (whatever that is) to have any chance of success. Fact is, a sport, and any business for that matter, can succeed not only by catering to a general interest, but also to a niche market, and everything in between as well.

[TheStandard]

ok Why is Argentina and Spain 2 & 3 respectively in the world rankings?

Why does the NBA consider the Spanish league the strongest pro league in the world under the NBA?

Why is Argentina producing so much great talent??

Why is Europe a HOTBED Of Soccer producing so many great stars?

Why is the Entire World outside of the US producing so much great basketball talent?? Remember the rest of the world is virtually a HOTBED of Soccer.

[tbayz1]

We have football, everywhere else they have futbol

Although football is known and I think some is played in Europe, soccer dominates it outside of America