promotional nights for the ABA

[WHAFAN]

The upcoming season promises to be action packed, with wonderful promotional nights for its dozens of fans.

November 17-Blank Magentic Schedule Night ( we have no idea of who will play or when, so fill it in as we go )

December 11-Preparation H Night. ( by now you have realized that the ABA is nothing but a pain in the ass )

January 22-ABA Dance Team Only Night. ( another cancelled game, but the infamous ABA dance teams will perform. Players aren't the only ones in the ABA who dribble and bounce )

January 30-Joe Newman Toupee Toss ( styrofoam heads will be at mid court, all 15 fans will be given an authentic Joe Newman toupee replica. Closest to the head wins a subscription to PlayOn Sports coverage of an ABA game of your choice. ........the loser gets 2 !!! )

[chuck43]

WHAFAN........LOVE the line that the loser gets two!!

However, ESPN just interrupted SportsCenter about 7 minutes ago. Apparently Joe Newman, CEO of the ABA has put together a promo called "Clap Night". Check this out, this will really impress Turner Sports.

Since the only sound you hear at an ABA game....more than 89.65% of the time anyway......is a single clap when there is a basket, Joe thought it would be great to have "Clap Night". Come to the ticket window (don't worry, there will be no lines) with a prescription from a local pharmacy indicating it is for the "Clap", and receive 2 free tickets.

"It is our goal and vision to spread the Clap around the ABA, and really get the fans, family and dance teams involved", Newman stated.

[WHAFAN]

The only sound even closely resembling clapping will be the 15 people in the stands smacking themselves on the forehead saying " Why the f*ck did we spend $5 on this crap when we could have gotten a double bacon classic at Wendy's instead?" !!!!

[abie10]

i think OSC should make a parody board so that all these posts can be in one forum. it would be sorta like the onion, that way you keep the real conversations separate from these ones...

[TheStandard]

Jim Jones Flavor-Aid Memorial night right at Anderson.

For 10k you get a flavorful grape drink and get ready to pass out!

[WHAFAN]

i think OSC should make a parody board so that all these posts can be in one forum. it would be sorta like the onion, that way you keep the real conversations separate from these ones...

The ABA IS a parody of professional basketball. Are there any real conversations here? There are 3 main topics concerning the ABA:

1-which team folded last night
2-who is the new sucker to fall for this crap
3-did the new owners check clear.

End of conversations !

[WHAFAN]

When its time for ABA team owners to mail out season tickets to fans, one book of stamps will be plenty, and there will be a few left over for them to mail the lawsuits to Newman!

[nksports]

How about claiming night (similar to a claiming race in horse racing).

For $10,000 payable up to tip-off, you can buy the team.

[Paul S]

WHAFAN - let me be the first to say you are about to be crowned the King of Comedy on here. This and other posts have been a riot.

We could also have...................

- Bounce a basketball faster than an ABA check night.

-the Dash for the Cash promotion. Kind of like when the XFL used to decide who received the ball for the opening kickoff where the two fastest players raced up to the ball. Take the 12 home players and the 6 away players who showed up and have them all race to center court to see who gets a paycheck that is guarenteed to clear.

- a HITCHIN' 2 HALIFAX free trip for one lucky fan. One lucky fan gets to go to beautiful Halifax Nova Scotia. You will hitchhike up to the border, somehow or other convince Canadian border officials you posses enough money so you aren't a drag on society, hitch to Halifax and watch the big game between WindJammers and your local team. A free cardboard sign with HALIFAX written on it is included.

- a free ABA hammer . Any time you are thinking of buying an ABA franchise simply hit yourself in the head with the ABA hammer, when you come to your senses, stop.

- Feed a player TV commercial. Ever seen those well meaning celebs wandering through a desolate village in Africa asking you to sponsor a child? Well here you can sponsor a player. You will get a letter once a year, a photo of your player and a free ABA postcard. On the back of the postcard is Joes' address and a little box that says "SEND ME INFO ABOUT AN ABA FRANCHISE"

- Join the team at an all you can eat buffet night , winner gets to volunteer at the local soup kitchen to help cook, clean, serve the food and then sit down and eat beside the visiting team. But the fun doesn't stop at dinner. Oh no. You two can find a bed in the homeless shelter next down and spend the night in the same dorm as the visiting team.

- A FREE TRIP TO HAWAII night. one lucky fan will win a roundtrip to Honolulu on the airline that Joe has worked out his special deal with.

[chuck43]

Paul S., gotta admit, that last post of yours was hysterical, but I will also agree with you that WHAFAN is the King of Comedy......then again he has plenty of material to work with; we ARE talking about the ABA and Joe Newman here. Good God, how much more joke fodder do you need? Larry the Cable Guy will run out of redneck jokes before there is a shortage of ABA jokes. Hell, we will run out of ABA Dance Teams before we run out of ABA jokes.....well, maybe not dance teams, but redneck jokes.

[tops804]

November 17-Blank Magentic Schedule Night ( we have no idea of who will play or when, so fill it in as we go )
While nothing can top the above....

From my hometown teams web-site:

Nov 16 - One lucky fan chosen to operate scoreboard {Must supply own chalk/eraser}

Nov 21 - Broken T.V. giveaway {Guaranteed to air all games broadcast on "Play-On Sports" -A division of Turner Broadcasting}

Dec 2 - Replica jersey night {or in our case...one hanes t-shirt & magic
marker}

Jan 7 - In honor of today's date...Game will start at 1:07 a.m.

Jan 19 - "CEO Bobblehead" night --- sorry...head not included (it's a trademark thing)

Jan 26 - Guest opponent night (Limited to first 11 fans only)

Feb 2 - Screwdriver night (In honor of the fact that we made it this far, and
still aren't in the ABA's Power rankings)

** Sorry...Due to switching from the big comfortable arena to this cozy gym.
We have had to eliminate "Nude polaroids of the players wives on the
diamond-vision night....". Perhaps we can air them on "Play-On Sports" ....
A division of Turner Broadcasting.

At this time we are proud to announce that we are accepting $120.00 non-
refundable deposits to all of our playoff games!!!!

[tbayz1]

Home Opener--If you are one of the 25 fans in attendence, you can have a chance to win the team by looking at you wig under your seat, and if it says, "You're the next sucker" Then you win!!!!

[notfunny]

While nothing can top the above....

From my hometown teams web-site:

Nov 16 - One lucky fan chosen to operate scoreboard {Must supply own chalk/eraser}

Nov 21 - Broken T.V. giveaway {Guaranteed to air all games broadcast on "Play-On Sports" -A division of Turner Broadcasting}

Dec 2 - Replica jersey night {or in our case...one hanes t-shirt & magic
marker}

Jan 7 - In honor of today's date...Game will start at 1:07 a.m.

Jan 19 - "CEO Bobblehead" night --- sorry...head not included (it's a trademark thing)

Jan 26 - Guest opponent night (Limited to first 11 fans only)

Feb 2 - Screwdriver night (In honor of the fact that we made it this far, and
still aren't in the ABA's Power rankings)

** Sorry...Due to switching from the big comfortable arena to this cozy gym.
We have had to eliminate "Nude polaroids of the players wives on the
diamond-vision night....". Perhaps we can air them on "Play-On Sports" ....
A division of Turner Broadcasting.

At this time we are proud to announce that we are accepting $120.00 non-
refundable deposits to all of our playoff games!!!!

Wow what a total miss. Even among these guys.

But, what team usues a chalk board or sells t-shirst with magic marker on them? Please be specific.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Wow what a total miss. Even among these guys.

But, what team usues a chalk board or sells t-shirst with magic marker on them? Please be specific.

Don't know about magic marker, but we had two separate SkyCats games in 04-05 where the opposing team needed to use athletic tape to make a number on a jersey for a player; one team (I believe Philadelphia) had two players with the same number (either 10 or 20) so they made the 0 an 8 with tape, while the other game (don't recall the team, but they only made one trip - maybe Carolina?) they had a shirt with no number on the back, and they used tape to make him #0.

[Pounder]

Wow what a total miss. Even among these guys.

But, what team usues a chalk board or sells t-shirst with magic marker on them? Please be specific.

What's really funny is that most of the teams, IF they had a handle on HOW to budget according to the revenue they don't get, really SHOULD be using chalk boards and magic markers.

[notfunny]

Don't know about magic marker, but we had two separate SkyCats games in 04-05 where the opposing team needed to use athletic tape to make a number on a jersey for a player; one team (I believe Philadelphia) had two players with the same number (either 10 or 20) so they made the 0 an 8 with tape, while the other game (don't recall the team, but they only made one trip - maybe Carolina?) they had a shirt with no number on the back, and they used tape to make him #0.

Oh. Because what I said was,

But, what team usues a chalk board or sells t-shirst with magic marker on them? Please be specific.

You're talking about 04-05, Im talking about 07-08. You're talking about uniforms, I'm talking about merchandise and game-ops.

Off topic.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Oh. Because what I said was,

You're talking about 04-05, Im talking about 07-08. You're talking about uniforms, I'm talking about merchandise and game-ops.

Off topic.

Actually, you talking about proof from a poster who put a made-up list of 'promotions' in this thread.

Off base...

But sadly, even the made-up stuff has some relevance to episodes in the ABA's history.

[notfunny]

Actually, you talking about proof from a poster who put a made-up list of 'promotions' in this thread.

Off base...

But sadly, even the made-up stuff has some relevance to episodes in the ABA's history.

No. One of you tries to crack a bad joke, then you all spiral into an orgy of stupid exagerations. Thats how it works. Every thread. Getting so boring.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Im talking about 07-08...
Off topic.

BTW - no games have been played yet in 07-08. Check back in a couple months.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

No. One of you tries to crack a bad joke, then you all spiral into an orgy of stupid exagerations. Thats how it works. Every thread. Getting so boring.

Just wondering - which part of my post was an exaggeration?

[notfunny]

Of course the idea of a parody thread was ignored. The normal news section would be empty. You start a thread with the title of a news article on it as though the thread is going to be about that subject, but it turns into "tHis Rec Leeege is Teh Jowke!!!!11". Every thread. Then my posts get deleted for pointing this out as it happens.

[psbf]

the idea that WHAFAN had about the Blank Magnetic Schedule Night. While I have my own thoughts in not knowing who it will attract.

[notfunny]

BTW - no games have been played yet in 07-08. Check back in a couple months.

Buddy, right now we are in the 07-08 season. They haven't started playing yet but we are closer to next season than we are to last. Don't be silly.

[notfunny]

Just wondering - which part of my post was an exaggeration?

I was talking about the other guy's post. You know, the one you rushed to the defense of.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

notfunny -
You have come here before and demanded 'proof' or the names of teams that have done som eof the things listed throughout threads here, and dismiss the posting as a result. Then, I give you examples of the semi-professional actions of two separate teams, and you dismiss it as well.

You have said numerous times that you have had great experiences at ABA games. I've asked you to tell us which teams/games, yet you never answer. Why not?

I have seen a number of good ABA organizations, either directly or heard through other players/team officials. I'm curious which teams you have had a good experience with in the past, and which teams you will following for the upcoming season.

[notfunny]

notfunny -
You have come here before and demanded 'proof' or the names of teams that have done som eof the things listed throughout threads here, and dismiss the posting as a result. Then, I give you examples of the semi-professional actions of two separate teams, and you dismiss it as well.


You gave me examples of something that happened years ago. I only ask for proof from a1 usually because his stuff is so made-up that he's the only poster here I consider funny.



You have said numerous times that you have had great experiences at ABA games. I've asked you to tell us which teams/games, yet you never answer. Why not?

Umm, because I don't wish to give away my identity online (????)

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

I was talking about the other guy's post. You know, the one you rushed to the defense of

Didn't defend his post - I defended my reply.

Buddy, right now we are in the 07-08 season. They haven't started playing yet but we are closer to next season than we are to last. Don't be silly.

We aren't in the 07-08 season yet - we are still in the off-season. The league still hasn't issued a final schedule or a final list of teams for 07-08.

There is plenty of 'silly' in the ABA - I don't need to be silly myself. Maybe not funny, but definitely not silly...

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

You gave me examples of something that happened years ago. I only ask for proof from a1 usually because his stuff is so made-up that he's the only poster here I consider funny.



Umm, because I don't wish to give away my identity online (????)


You can't say which teams you have seen play in person for fear of revealing who you are? How small were the crowds?

Lame excuse...

[a1sports]

you say my posts are made up.... hmmm, if I were you Id look back a year or so...seems you didnt do that. Also seems your an inside ABA'er because you get upset to easy at true posts about the rec league the ABA.

But heres one for you, Lets see if Buffalo plays this year. Thats a free one for you today. I have a lot more info on the rec league bit Im saving for my documentary.. " The ball isnt the only thing that bounces in the ABA"..Ill send you a free pre production video copy spring 08. JUst make sure you have enough kleenex, you will cry and cry. LOL

[tops804]

Wow what a total miss. Even among these guys.

But, what team usues a chalk board or sells t-shirst with magic marker on them? Please be specific.


Yes...it was a parody. However, when the apple doesn't fall too far from
the tree....

Specific: Is hard to find (The two teams in my area received no media
coverage). However...I can say: As both a witness and through reliable
sources. That many of these things came to close for comfort.

We started with a medium arena, as well as an "overflow" arena holding over
14,000 people...and ended up in a high school gym. We had uniforms, until
too much personnel changed and it regressed to matching colors & tape.
Opponents changed right up to game time. If players were "added" to make
up a team. Uniforms, weren't uniform. Scoreboard worked...sometimes (I
heard too many reasons why it didn't). Commonly (inoperable or "Not
enough people to warrant running it...."). P.A. gave the score, when
he felt like it. Chalkboard would have been a step up. The few game times
we had were held up if management believed the crowd would build.
(High traffic or "They expected more people"). Evening game times became
afternoon at less then 24 hour notice....Regular season promotion consisted
of one annoucement of a game on a radio newscast...and one score on the
last page of the local paper...No billboards, ads (print or radio)....In the end,
games were postponed, for various reasons, at the last minute. To be
rescheduled at a later date...That never came...Of course by then, no one
was left to care....

Both Northeast Ohio teams seemed to have a startup plan in place and meant well...Somehow,
they didn't follow through...I can only guess as to why (reading these boards
has been a good indication).

Someday, I hope we will talk ABA basketball. I still believe the league had,
and has potential. But in its present tense -- is a whole other story....

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Yes...it was a parody. However, when the apple doesn't fall too far from
the tree....

Specific: Is hard to find (The two teams in my area received no media
coverage). However...I can say: As both a witness and through reliable
sources. That many of these things came to close for comfort.

We started with a medium arena, as well as an "overflow" arena holding over
14,000 people...and ended up in a high school gym. We had uniforms, until
too much personnel changed and it regressed to matching colors & tape.
Opponents changed right up to game time. If players were "added" to make
up a team. Uniforms, weren't uniform. Scoreboard worked...sometimes (I
heard too many reasons why it didn't). Commonly (inoperable or "Not
enough people to warrant running it...."). P.A. gave the score, when
he felt like it. Chalkboard would have been a step up. The few game times
we had were held up if management believed the crowd would build.
(High traffic or "They expected more people"). Evening game times became
afternoon at less then 24 hour notice....Regular season promotion consisted
of one annoucement of a game on a radio newscast...and one score on the
last page of the local paper...No billboards, ads (print or radio)....In the end,
games were postponed, for various reasons, at the last minute. To be
rescheduled at a later date...That never came...Of course by then, no one
was left to care....

Both Northeast Ohio teams seemed to have a startup plan in place and meant well...Somehow,
they didn't follow through...I can only guess as to why (reading these boards
has been a good indication).

Someday, I hope we will talk ABA basketball. I still believe the league had,
and has potential. But in its present tense -- is a whole other story....

Your post may well be true, but following notfunny's rules - we are in 07-08, and you are talking about the past (notfunny must have loved McGwire's performance in front of Congress), so they are not relevant.
:cool:

[dbaproball]

BTW - no games have been played yet in 07-08. Check back in a couple months.
This is a good idea. Let's check on all of the minor leagues in real time throughout the season using some pertinent metrics. Let's really keep score and separate fact from fiction. As much energy as goes into this board, this should be easy.

[tops804]

Your post may well be true, but following notfunny's rules - we are in 07-08, and you are talking about the past (notfunny must have loved McGwire's performance in front of Congress), so they are not relevant.
:cool:

Agreed, however in 07-08 the Ohio market looks to have some really empty
gyms...Unless the Rockers decide to make up those postponed games now:)

[Strong Island Sound]

Although the sarcasm may be entertaining at times, there is also a place to discuss legitimate promotional games that each team should be including on their home schedules.

On Long Island, we have had numerous promotions in the first two years, including 'Appreciation' nights for different agencies, where we granted free admission for people that showed their ID cards.

That included Teachers; Police Officers; Correction Officers; Fire Dept's; Health Care Workers, Military, etc. We also had CYO Night and Youth Services Night.

Giveaways are great, but you also need to secure the proper sponsors that are willing to fund whatever amount of products that you will be handing out. (I'm sure that someone will have a field day with that last statement, saying that the 'crowd' of 25 is not so expensive to provide shirts or hats for).

I'm realsitic, but also optimistic. A good effort to get people in your gym has to produce results sooner or later. If you are not trying, then you can't complain and wonder why the attendance has not improved.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

I'm realsitic, but also optimistic. A good effort to get people in your gym has to produce results sooner or later. If you are not trying, then you can't complain and wonder why the attendance has not improved.

If the vast majority of teams that have passed through the ABA thought the same way you did, the league would be in much better shape - in spite of the perennial kitchen fiascos in Indianapolis.

Too many people believe their own hype and press clippings - which very often consist solely of the releases they have sent to OSC and other websites - and have been convinced by Joe that if they just throw open the doors the fans will pour through.

It ain't a cornfield in Iowa, Roy. They ain't coming if you don't go out and get them.

Good luck, SI...

[tops804]

I'm realsitic, but also optimistic. A good effort to get people in your gym has to produce results sooner or later. If you are not trying, then you can't complain and wonder why the attendance has not improved.

.....I'm just curious, did it take long to get media coverage in your area?
How long did it take? Granted, I am in a major league market, but they
couldn't even seem to get word of mouth going.

[Strong Island Sound]

.....I'm just curious, did it take long to get media coverage in your area?
How long did it take? Granted, I am in a major league market, but they
couldn't even seem to get word of mouth going.

An ongoing struggle. We had a few articles written in the newspapers the first two seasons, but nothing regular. I send out my press releases, transactions, game recaps, etc. to all the media outlets, but they choose to print what they want.

Hey, no one is trying to say that the local ABA team is a big story, especially in NY. But a few crumbs every now and then is not too much to ask. Even though we have all the big teams like the Yankees, Giants, Rangers and so forth, NY is a big minor league town for baseball. You hope to capture that crowd and grow from there.

[tops804]

Hey, no one is trying to say that the local ABA team is a big story, especially in NY. But a few crumbs every now and then is not too much to ask. Even though we have all the big teams like the Yankees, Giants, Rangers and so forth, NY is a big minor league town for baseball. You hope to capture that crowd and grow from there.

I have always felt that local minor league sports deserve more coverage
in a major city anyway...It seems to me that a local paper should want
to cover such events in order to show some civic pride. I know I'm not
a newspaper editor, but I see things printed that bare little or no local
interest.

I have already seen "The Sound Van"....I guess that is the next marketing
type step....I would have liked to have seen some presence of an ABA team
in my area when we had it...

[Strong Island Sound]

The odd thing is that Newsday, the big paper on Long Island and one of the big 4 in NY, has given us the most coverage of all the ones out locally. The little local papers, including The Long Island Press, have barely touched on the team. They did one nice full-page piece last year, but only small mentions a handful of times other than that.

[tops804]

The odd thing is that Newsday, the big paper on Long Island and one of the big 4 in NY, has given us the most coverage of all the ones out locally. The little local papers, including The Long Island Press, have barely touched on the team. They did one nice full-page piece last year, but only small mentions a handful of times other than that.

It may be another story, for another thread. But in theory...Could a team
buy advertising space and run their scores and schedules in that? Even at
that, I might be too costly, and could be interpreted as a little desperate...
Cleveland has a semi-pro football team that has run schedules on billboards,
and scores/schedules in the Plain Dealer in the past....It did get the word
out.

[psbf]

N.Y. paper that I can get online is Newsday and I check the sports. Unfortunately, I never see anything on the Sound.
But I agree with your ideas, Strong Island, and I can see why the Sound are one of the top teams. I'm sure bigger and better things will come for you and your supporters.

[Strong Island Sound]

Ad spaces in even the smaller papers out here are pricey. I am not sure of all the regualations involved, but I'm sure if you're paying for it, you can run your schedule and scores. But you would need a turnaround profit from that. How many people are seeing it and then coming to your next home game? At $10 a pop, you would need a big number each week that you're running the ad to make it work for you.

[tops804]

...thanks for the info. It certainly sounds like your working in the right
direction....

[psbf]

you for what your doing, S.I.. You have a lot of competition there, but you also have much determination which is needed.
When the Xplosion were in the ABA, the papers here often had articles(which I have saved). Unfortunately, the coverage has dwindled, since we left for the CBA. But box scores are still something(anything is better than nothing).

[Paul S]

I can only agree.

Strong Island, I hope it works for you. If what you say is true, and I have no indication to believe otherwise I think you will be successful. I think your largest problem will not be from within, but ensuring the other teams show up and look as if they are a professional outfit, (ie uniforms that are matching, more than 2 guys on the bench, games starting ontime)

I really think you would be better suited in a league that was an ABA super league or another league. If you are spending the time and money to put this product on the floot you deserve to be playing, and your fans deserve to be seeing teams that are not run like the Niagra Daredevils, Calgary Drillers, etc.

Irregardless, best of luck to you and your organization.

[Strong Island Sound]

Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen. I do appreciate it when others recognize that this league can work if each individual organization makes that extra effort.

The teams that do it properly have a good system when there is a team that is lacking. Extra road games to take the place of a team that does not make the trip is a way to prevent cancellations. It is not a perfect scenario, of course, but the games get played and at least the two clubs on the floor bring a professional atmosphere to the gym.

[WHAFAN]

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what ads a team places for their home fans. Newspapers, TV, radio, billboards, no matter how well you run YOUR team, when you have an opponent that doesn't show up or folds in the middle of the night, YOUR team suffers and makes you look like a fool. A league is only as strong as its weakest team, and in the ABA that means everyone is weak.

[Strong Island Sound]

That is true, WHA. Weak teams are not acceptable in any league, minor or major. That even occurs in baseball, where I read that the announced crowd for a recent Marlins game was 10,000 and that there were only 400 people in the stands for the opening pitch. Similar to what MLB has done in profit sharing, luxury taxes, etc., possibly the teams in the ABA that have their act together can carry the teams that do not for a period of time. Not monetarily, but just by being available to make a road trip as a replacement team in the event that something prevents the originally scheduled team from making the game.

Believe me, that is not a perfect solution and should not even be a consideration. But the reality is that in the world of independent ML sports, teams do have difficulty completing their schedules at times. It's not just the ABA. For example, the LI Primetime of the USBL dropped out and then were brought back as a road team just so the teams that were still around could have an opponent.

And in the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball, they have had a team called the Road Warriors for a few seasons now just to balance out the schedule for the other clubs. They are basically like a farm team for the rest of the league and only play away games. They are run by the league itself and have been a 'second division' team all along. Not a perfect way to map out divisions and schedules, but the stronger teams in the league make up for that.

[WHAFAN]

I understand the Marlins example, but the fact is, when the Cubs or Mets or whomever is on the way to Florida, no matter what the crowd size, there WILL be a game. Has any other league had teams just disappear overnight like the ABA does? Disappearing acts, someone else to take their place, and the same results. The Chicago Throwbacks have a website with no phone number, emails are ignored, and they expect people to send moneyy for season tickets to a PO Box. Come on man!!

[Paul S]

The teams that do it properly have a good system when there is a team that is lacking. Extra road games to take the place of a team that does not make the trip is a way to prevent cancellations. It is not a perfect scenario, of course, but the games get played and at least the two clubs on the floor bring a professional atmosphere to the gym

SI you are right, but you are in the NorthEast where you have a number of teams and guys you can call in numerous cities, so this isn't insurmountable. Try getting the Sound to Hawaii for a couple of games that the visiting team can't make. This is when it falls apart.

Also, whilst I understand there can be an appearance of ganging up on the ABA, there are times that someone like yourself appears and does try to give us a perspective of how things actually are vs how we would expect them to be. That being said, you indicate that "teams that do it properly have a good system when there is a team that is lacking. I mean to me, personally speaking this is a serious character flaw in the viability of your business.

I mean if you were Subway Sandwiches and the Ham didn't show up consistently I doubt your paying customers would find it acceptable to simply substitute Roast Beef until the Ham finally showed up. The supply of a product is instrumental to your business.

Anyways, good luck and thanks for being kind enough to come on here. If you can tell Darren Cioffi anything it would be to get someone (anyone) to replace Joe as a voice of the league. I understand its his league and he is in charge but hire somebody to do the PR and answer emails.

[Strong Island Sound]

Anyways, good luck and thanks for being kind enough to come on here. If you can tell Darren Cioffi anything it would be to get someone (anyone) to replace Joe as a voice of the league. I understand its his league and he is in charge but hire somebody to do the PR and answer emails.

Paul- Public and Media Relations is a very difficult job, especially when it comes to minor league sports. You have to sell a product that many view as being below standards and build it up from there. Approaching the issue that way, we, as an organization, have been able to keep things in perspective and not become frustrated when we are not drawing an attendance figure that we feel is satisfactory.

That becomes even more difficult when you have not only one team, but an entire league to sell to the public. I thoroughly enjoy my job with the Sound and would welcome the challenge of doing it on a league-wide basis.

The ABA has a lot of possilbilities and can succeed. They have been in business since 2000 and,regardless of the negative comments, have to be doing something right. Every team should meet certain qualifications in giving the fan base (and potential fan base) quality information put out on professional press releases. Regardless of the destinations of these releases, they need to be written in a manner which conveys the organization is being precise in their game recaps, transactions, etc.

Do I have answers for everything? Obviosuly not. But I am a sports editor and writer by trade and feel that I can be of assistance when it comes to preparation of written material that the teams and league produce on a regular basis.

[tops804]

but just by being available to make a road trip as a replacement team in the event that something prevents the originally scheduled team from making the game.

The problem with this Strong Island...Is that short of a tragedy or snow
storm....It should never happen....Someone in your league has to be held
accountable in the event that too many teams are postponing games and
trips, because they miscalculated their plan...

If your organization is running well...being forced to send people home
isn't fair to you, your players, or fanbase.

[Strong Island Sound]

You're correct. There is no excuse for a no-show other than an emergency. Hopefully, the good will outweigh the bad.

[notfunny]

You can't say which teams you have seen play in person for fear of revealing who you are? How small were the crowds?

Lame excuse...

No, because I've said in the past that I'm not just a fan. So yes I could risk giving away my identity.

Never said anything about which teams I've seen play. I've seen many play. Not going to list them all here.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

No, because I've said in the past that I'm not just a fan. So yes I could risk giving away my identity.

Never said anything about which teams I've seen play. I've seen many play. Not going to list them all here.

A little paranoid, no?

You have talked about how well some teams operate:

And I've witnessed the ABA work first hand so I've yet to experience the joke aspect of it.

So you basically said that no player in the ABA gets paid. Thats basically what you just said. Even though most of them do.

And far as I know all of them do seeing as how I've never been involved with a team that doesn't pay its players.

Oh I see what you did there. *gives a polite laugh*

Zeke, your sob-story is a complaint against the owner that you started working for, not against the ABA. You can say that the ABA should be more careful with who they award a team too, but your situation with GMing the team and not getting paid or your players not getting paid is exceptional, not common.

Every one of your complaints deal with your apparently nightmarish owner. The only thing valid about that is that they should be more careful with who they award a team to. Other than that you're trying to make the aces look like the typical ABA experience which couldn't be farther from the truth.

I've yet to experience the same team wearing different uniforms thing but I see it brought up on this board quite a bit. How many times has it happened?

Then you say you DON'T work for the ABA:
lol, Alright Onebetter? barkely isn't me :lol:

Anywho,

When Gallup does a poll like that, they are asking the opinion of those people on a known issue...
And I don't work for the ABA guys...case you were wonderin'

And, in a bit of irony, you rip A1 for his posts without back-up details:

You guys do realize that anybody can sit there and claim they have an interview with somebody which they're keeping for their "use".

lol he won't show the full interview or the name of the official and you guys are taking it seriously

so lame its not even funny

So, notfunny, anyone can sit there and claim they have information about how some ABA teams are run which they're keeping for their "use".

lol he won't name the teams and we are expected to be taking you seriously

so lame its...


notfunny

[Chuck the Writer]

No, because I've said in the past that I'm not just a fan. So yes I could risk giving away my identity.

Which gives us a great promotional idea for the next ABA game:

"NOT FUNNY PROMOTIONAL NIGHT"

All people who show up with secret identities, who don't want to reveal them on OSC, will be admitted free with the purchase of an additional full-price ticket.

I can see it now...

"I want to buy a ticket to tonight's ABA game, please."

"Certainly sir, what's your name?"

"I am NOT FUNNY."

"I didn't tell a joke, sir."

"No, that's my name."

"What's your name?"

"I am NOT FUNNY."

"I'm not laughing, sir."

"Listen - do you have a promotion where people who have secret identities can attend an ABA game with half-off a ticket?"

"Yes sir, we do."

"So, I've got a secret identity and want to attend a game."

"And what is your secret identity, sir?"

"I am NOT FUNNY, dang it!"

"I can see that, sir. You really need to smile more."

[notfunny]

abarwb, I'll respond to your bashing of me soon, but for now your pretty highlighted blue caught my eye. I don't work for the ABA, correct.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

abarwb, I'll respond to your bashing of me soon, but for now your pretty highlighted blue caught my eye. I don't work for the ABA, correct.

No bashing.

They are your words, not mine; your double standard, not the board's.

I'm sure we all look forward to your response, and its inevitable dismissive tone...

[psbf]

funny, Chuck LOL. It reminds me of Abbot and Costello's routine of Who's on First lol

[SignGuyDino]

Design your own schedule night:

http://www.wbcampaigns.net/downloads/tutorials/etch-a-sketch/etch-a-sketch-blank.jpg

[notfunny]

No bashing.

They are your words, not mine; your double standard, not the board's.

I'm sure we all look forward to your response, and its inevitable dismissive tone...


They aren't double standards. You simply reposted things I've said. Explain to me again what the hell you proved?

Show me exactly where I contradicted myself.

Are you comparing A1's fictional phone calls to me not telling you what team I was involved with?

Seriously?

[a1sports]

Fictional phone calls? LOL, so you must be involved with the ABA mr not funny...try it on Monday, go ahead and call 10 ABA teams and see the results. You wont do it because your scared of what youll find. In fact I will do it for you again Monday and post the results, and NO I will not tell you which teams I called, not my job to alert anyone of which teams are doing nothing. Your emotional attachment to this rec league will be your undoing.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

They aren't double standards. You simply reposted things I've said. Explain to me again what the hell you proved?

Show me exactly where I contradicted myself.

Are you comparing A1's fictional phone calls to me not telling you what team I was involved with?

Seriously?

This is your comeback?

You mock A1 for his postings, asking repeatedly for him to provide substance behind what he says he knows.

I ask - and generally respectfully - for you to let the board know which organizxations you have had positive experiences with in the past, and you duck and cover behind anonymity.

There are people on this board - myself among them - who do point out the positive efforts some teams put forth for their franchises. So much of this board is an ongoing buswreck dissertation, because, over the complete history of this ABA, each season has ended with a significant percentage of games not played, or post-season debacles, or teams fading away, or asinine comments from its leadership.

You seem to take great joy in the sarcastic and dismissive tone you use in many threads here; yet, when asked for some semblance or example of anything that would refute much of the negativity and actually back up your claims, you hide behind your online persona. You label A1's calls 'fictional' (when he has had facts here supported by others; where has your confirmation come from?

There really isn't a difference between A1 and yourself. A1 may go further out on the limb, but you are both in the same tree.

If you aren't working for the ABA or a team, are you afraid that you will lose potential income as a result from the ABA by saying what teams you have seen? Again, how small were those crowds?

You asked "what the hell" I proved. My only point here is that you demand supporting evidence from others (not just A1, BTW) when they make claims, but you are unwilling to do the same. Hence, the double standard.

Say something not funny...