Former ABA owner, run it with the law...

[tbayz1]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709050349

Came across this article, enjoy.


EDIT: The title should say, "Former ABA Owner, Run IN With the Law."

I had a Gwizzle moment hahaha

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Looking forward to Joe's cackling response...

"Shameful. The ABA would never associate itself with people like this, and we are glad to have suspended the Rochester organization before they had a chance to inflict their felonious behavior on our affordable, fan-friendly league.

I told you they were garbage."

Oh, and...

"Nyah, nyah, nyah!"

[Corning Bulldogs]

"It was his second driving while under the influence charge in the past six years, already convicted in 2001. The second arrest made the charge a felony, said Pisciotti. He was issued a ticket on both offenses and was arraigned in Lyons Town Court. He was remanded to Wayne County jail and paid $2,500 at 10 a.m. this morning. He will appear in the Town of Sodus court at a later date." - Rochester D and C


Just because the Rochester Razorsharks moved from the ABA to the PBL doesent mean anything, I still believe this is a black mark on all of minor league basketball. It being a felony because it's the second DWI in 6 years means possible prison time.

I hope we can all learn from this and think before we get behind the wheel , thank god no one was hurt.

[tbayz1]

Looking forward to Joe's cackling response...

"Shameful. The ABA would never associate itself with people like this, and we are glad to have suspended the Rochester organization before they had a chance to inflict their felonious behavior on our affordable, fan-friendly league.

I told you they were garbage."

Oh, and...

"Nyah, nyah, nyah!"



Id like to see a response from Joe on this topic LOL

[TheStandard]

Oh please! its a stinkin DWI. Lindsay Lohan gets those once a week!. Tony La Russa has one. A plethora of NFL players get them too. Please! You drink a little you drive nutty, get a ticket thats all.

Now if he ran over someone while being drunk then its a story, but right now its a norm. He will get a slap in the hand and 96 hours of community service.

[Pounder]

15 years ago, it was barely a slap on the hand. People take that more seriously these days. Just saying...

[tbayz1]

-2nd offense in the last 6 years(2nd DWI)

-felony charge

-speeding


It may not just be a slap on the hands...

[Corning Bulldogs]

Standard , To say that Driving Drunk is not a big deal is not responsible.

No one who gets behind the wheel after drinking intends to kill someone in an accident.

I have lost two of my high school class mates to fatal DWI accidents. Both while they were still teenagers. If you do not believe me pm me and I will show you.

[TheStandard]

Trust me it will be a slap in the hands.

He will not face time in the slammer. He will hire the best and most respected lawyer in all of western new york and he will get community service out of it.

[tbayz1]

Thats BS, just like celebs and wealthy people, "Oo we'll hire the best lawyers and get out of this" Sad part is they do!! Thats total bull, they are people just like everyone else and deserve the same consiquences!! Just like that Lindsay Lohan, that gross "thing" should be in jail, But no, shes got money and fights the case, but if it was your average Joe who makes enough money just to get by, he would get time in the slammer right away!

IMO thats not fair at all, just because you have money shouldnt make you any different that anyone else!

If you did a crime, its simple, you do the time!! But as well all know and have seen, there have been exceptions haha

[Corning Bulldogs]

Driving well drunk is no different then walking into a house with a one bullet in the chamber and playing russian roulette with some one elses life.

It saddens me to say I have lost two friends to DWI's related accidents so I have seen first hand the damage it can cause to a family and a community.

[TheStandard]

i know dwi is bad but problem is that when you have so called prominent people they get away with it. its sickening but true.

[psbf]

to do community service? Look at how overcrowded are jails are with those who did similar or worse. Doing community service they can learn something while doing something good. What good can they do being locked up for a certain amount of time? And what do they learn from that? I would think a harsher sentence would be to have their lisence revoked while doing their community a service.

[a1sports]

I bet lots of $$$$$$$$$$ gets a slap on the hand. The Rochester owner will spend more on lawyers to get out of this then Corning on their whole team budget.LOL, Proabably more than about 10 ABA teams combined together.

Lets see, you say a guy caught DWI is hurting minor league basketball more than what your CEO has already done to minor league basketball...I dont think so. Im sure your the only one that thinks that. I think you may have been OBTWUIKA ( operating a basketball team while under the influence of kool-aid)


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DWI is bad. No one should do it.

[tbayz1]

Oh by the way.,..the Jaloza clock is ticking Corning..Have a new league yet?



Why did i know that Jaloza was going to be brought up? :mrgreen:

[Fells]

Why did i know that Jaloza was going to be brought up? :mrgreen:

The important point is that regardless of who this man is, he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I know money talks, and I am hoping that in this case it doesn't. I have seem too many friends' lives either end, or be ruined because of drunk driving. I hope that if found guilty this moron (For the actions he is alleged to have committed) will be punished with prison time.

[tbayz1]

Ill say it again:

"If you do the crime, you do the time." (there have been exceptions)

IMO, This doesnt make Rochester look good at all.

[psbf]

that jail time should be for those with the more serious crimes. Revoke his lisence and let him do community service. What is locking him up going to prove? Taking away his drivers liscense is much more affective.

[bdaly]

It's certainly not a good thing, and it's a bit of a black eye for the organization. He isn't the owner, his brother (the doctor) in Chicago is. But, he's obviously a key player with the organization (GM). He's a nice guy, but he's obviously got to learn from this significant mistake. He's now in the spotlight, so regardless of the legal consequences, it's bad PR. It's not the end of the world, but hopefully the Razorsharks will spin things in a positive fashion by starting another positive community program (which they're great about) on this particular topic.

[Tar10FINatic]

Let's hope and pray that Orest can get back on the right track, but this is a personal failing and shouldn't affect his ability to manage the Sharks. Although DUI is a serious offense and should not be taken lightly I personally don't equate it with fraud, check bouncing, child endangerment, skipping town to avoid paying bills etc. that some ABA owners have done.

[Paul S]

Let's hope and pray that Orest can get back on the right track, but this is a personal failing and shouldn't affect his ability to manage the Sharks. Although DUI is a serious offense and should not be taken lightly I personally don't equate it with fraud, check bouncing, child endangerment, skipping town to avoid paying bills etc. that some ABA owners have done.

You said exactly what I was thinking and articulated it very well. I hope that anyone in this unfortunate situation needs to take a look in the mirror. I hope things work out for him, luckily nobody was hurt or killed.

If you've ever had the misfortune of watching someone slowly kill themselves in front of you because of alcohol you will understand that it is a very serious medical disease. I hope this man gets his act together. This isn't about basketball.

[utahstarsticketholder]

I don't care who he is, in 25 years as a firefighter I have seen my share of death and injury because of an absolute disreguard for the safety of others.
When I drink I do not drive!!! I am a Catholic Irishman so I do some drinking from time to time. But as an adult I imbibe responsibly.
I do not care what league or team he owns. It is simple if you do the crime then do the time.
No slack for being a chump.
Remember our troops, jack and cheryl.

[Chuck the Writer]

I don't care who he is, in 25 years as a firefighter I have seen my share of death and injury because of an absolute disreguard for the safety of others.
When I drink I do not drive!!! I am a Catholic Irishman so I do some drinking from time to time. But as an adult I imbibe responsibly.
I do not care what league or team he owns. It is simple if you do the crime then do the time.
No slack for being a chump.
Remember our troops, jack and cheryl.

Let me put it in basketball terms.

Malik Sealy was killed by a drunk driver.

Want another example?

Drazen Petrovic was killed by a driver who was both speeding and had his ability impaired.

The one thing about drunk driving arrests - you never hear about the drivers for whom an arrest averted a major tragedy. You only hear about the tragedies afterward, and then wonder why nobody stopped them before.

[BreakersFan]

To say that Driving Drunk is not a big deal is not responsible.

No one who gets behind the wheel after drinking intends to kill someone in an accident.



Agreed 100% - every DUI arrest is a tragedy averted. Since this is his second, he should lose the privilege of driving. For Life.

[Sam Hill]

No one who gets behind the wheel after drinking intends to kill someone in an accident.

No, but they might as well have.

That should be Murder One in my book.

You drink, you drive, you're an asshat. Whether no one gets hurt or not.

[Corning Bulldogs]

Going by New York State Law a Felony DWI charge on a second offense is punshible of up to 4 years in a state prison.

The Judge in this case should show no mercy just as the driver showed no mercy for the innocent lifes in the community who were on the road that night.

In my opinion anyone who commits a crime such as this should also be charged with attempted murder. 4 years in a state prison is to light in my book for a second time offender who was on top of being drunk and driving was also speeding.

[a1sports]

The guy did a bad thing. Your still 4 months later trashing Rochester, Relax. You will have your own problems explaining to the media why a team didnt show up in your rec league. Looks to me as though you wanted to be in that big stadium in Rochester playing mr rec league owner, but it aint gonna. happen kid. The guy did a bad thing and you stated such, but for you to keep coming back to it, sounds like some sort of sour grapes. Id worry about teams showing up and even the possibility of no league existing in a few weeks. Drunk driving is bad, we know it, you stated it, move on.....or cant you? HMMMMM, fixated on a real league that you could never get into ? could that be it?

[Corning Bulldogs]

Actually I was responding to all the other posters who thought that the crime commited was a horrible act.

I lost two of my high school freinds too drunk drivers.

Leave it like you to spin it in into something else, get a life.


Jaloza , Jaloza , Jaloza .....ramble ..... ramble...... ramble......Jaloza.......Jaloza.......ramble...... ..............

[tbayz1]

Ive seen people mention DUI, but if im not mistaken he received a DWI, his second in the past few years.


This should be a big deal, this is Rochester, one of the best franchises in all of minor league basketball, they do everything and be everything any basketball team would want to do! People expect perfection and no mistakes with this team, thats why I think some may not treat this as a big deal because its just one small thing right. This is the teams face of the franchise, the man in charge, the man who made this team along with his brother, in trouble with the law again, driving drunk and could have potentially gotten worse by endangering others on the road. This has nothing to do with the ABA and nothing to do with its owners, so comparing this situation with the ABAs many flaws shouldnt occur.
Any flaw with a franchise like this, especially since its the CEO of the team should not be treated as a blow off flaw, this should be a BIG deal, when you present the professionalism and quality of work Rochester puts out and you have something like this, thats a discrace and embarassing!! This is embarrasing not only for the team but for the PBL itself, when your most sucessful franchise and by far most stable team and someone who is behind this league unfortunately gets a DWI, for the second time. I just dont understand why some dont think this is a problem or at least an issue that deserves attention, but when something goes wrong in the ABA, which can be frequent, its a major issue. We know what we can expect from the ABA, and we know what we can expect from Rochester, and when they do something wrong it should be a bigger deal than the ABA because with Rochester its all positive, nothing negative like the ABA. I dont care what the legal system decides for him, but hopefully it will help him and change him because Rochester by looking at their past shouldnt have to deal with an issue like this, its unacceptable and is wrong!!


Thats my 2 cents! Wheres "teqkng" when you need 2 cents now a days! LOL

[a1sports]

ok lets say he gets off with a big fine or goes to jail for along time, Nothing will change about the PBL. His problem is a personal problem, the Rochester franchise will go on and be sucessful with 5,000 fans at the game and corning with about 75 plus 200 comps, anyways it doesnt matter. The ABA is the rec leagie the PBL is the pro league and thats a fact. ALso the CBA and NBDL are pro leagues. I cant wait till the judge rules on the Jaloza case and when corning is in the new ALL american BAskeball League..duhhhh, that joe creates and your still drinking the kool aid , I will be laughing. Keep convincing your self that your in a pro league, that should take up most of your time. As far as the Rochester GM he can go to jail and do the time. MAybe he can watch Corning at Jersey on turner...LOL, NOT. I just love it when the young whipper snapper( corning) gets all bent out of shape over Rochester, Time for you to create a new name and make stuff up about kids camps and law suits etc etc...A true ABA rec league owner. I remeber when you first got on and said there were 2,000 season tickets sold.....what a goof ball

[Corning Bulldogs]

get a grip,

I didnt make this thread and all myself and the posters in this thread did was speak on the crime commited , regardless of who commited it we would all feel the same. Innocent peoples life were put in jeopardy by a second offense drunk driver who was speeding.

Rochester is a good team , with good players. I had some of thier players tryout for my team , we were going to keep one of them but he decided to go play in Germany instead of playing for us or going back to Rochester.

No one bashed Rochester or the PBL in this thread, Rochester has good fans, all we spoke on was the crime that the GM commited and how we had DWI Crimes effect our own lifes.

We feel that the crime fits a stern punishment from the legal system, dont make something more then what it is.

[abie10]

Trust me it will be a slap in the hands.

He will not face time in the slammer. He will hire the best and most respected lawyer in all of western new york and he will get community service out of it.

that doesn't forgive the fact that he broke a law. dwi nowadays is a big deal, especially in the area i am from. people die everyday from dwi related accidents. just because he didn't "kill" anyone doesn't make it better.

[Corning Bulldogs]

abie10,


Well said. But who knows if he even feels any guilt.

The Rochester Razorsharks GM refused comment to the papers and has still not issued a public apology to the community's in which he endangered the lifes of the people in when he went speed driving drunk.

[a1sports]

As I have stated before, your obsessed with Rochester. Want to grow up and be like them? Amazing how fixated one can be. Worry about your little rec league team. Any games cancel yet? LOL. The more you bring this up the more it looks like you have an axe to grind or should I say how jealous you are.

Be happy with playing( maybe) jersey, where there will be 15 fans and strong island where there will be 10 fans at the games. You somehow have this twisted opinion that one guys bad mistake should rub off on the whole organization and league.

Lets just wait and see how the rec league stands up in the next few weeks.

How about another glass of kool-aid? LOL

[heavesrock]

Um, I don't believe Corning is the same Corning fan that was on here earlier. If anyone on here, that was you.

[abie10]

As I have stated before, your obsessed with Rochester. Want to grow up and be like them? Amazing how fixated one can be. Worry about your little rec league team. Any games cancel yet? LOL. The more you bring this up the more it looks like you have an axe to grind or should I say how jealous you are.

Be happy with playing( maybe) jersey, where there will be 15 fans and strong island where there will be 10 fans at the games. You somehow have this twisted opinion that one guys bad mistake should rub off on the whole organization and league.

Lets just wait and see how the rec league stands up in the next few weeks.

How about another glass of kool-aid? LOL

i can usually tolerate, if not accept, a lot of the things you say. But you are completely out of line and dare i say "joe-esque" on the way you are spinning this.

you are taking something that is obviously a bad thing. that is obviously something that is taken very serious and is something that people feel is absolutely without a doubt wrong. no one here, including you, can dispute that.

yet you spin the subject into an attack on rochester. completely ignoring the fact that this guy, for the SECOND time, got a dwi and put many people in danger. yet you ask Corning if he wants to grow up and be like them?

its posts like this that water down everything else you say. you build up credibility and then flush it down the toilet by posting crap like this...your posts on this subject are totally off base and to be honest, pretty ignorant. not that it matters, but any respect of mine you had totally went out the window with this post.

now i'll sit back and await your reply questioning how many games will be cancelled and why i insist on badgering Rochester...

[robster2001]

Well said. But who knows if he even feels any guilt.

The Rochester Razorsharks GM refused comment to the papers and has still not issued a public apology to the community's in which he endangered the lifes of the people in when he went speed driving drunk.

You would go a long way toward making it clear that you don't have a vendetta against the Rochester franchise if you would consider referring to the offender by name instead of as "the Rochester Razorsharks GM".

It's unlikely he was acting as the GM of the Rochester franchise when he committed the offense.

There's no doubt that what he did was wrong. Using it to smear a basketball franchise is wrong, as well.

[Corning Bulldogs]

It didnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that this A1 sports was a "planted" joke of a poster.

I am glad everyone is finally seeing him for what he was all along.

"What ? NO NO NO , Go drink kool-aid ......Jaloza, Jaloza, Jaloza, Jaloza,"

[Corning Bulldogs]

And actually it was the Rochester paper that tabbed two days in a row as the "Rochester Razorsharks GM"

Why ? Because that is his public title. He carrys that title everywhere he goes and he is suppose to act as a role model to the youth.

When Mike Vick got busted was he just Mike Vick ? or was he the Atlanta Falcons Quarterback/NFL Star. When you have a public sports title like that a since of responsibility comes a long with it.

I wish this guy nothing but the best and none of the 30 posters in this thread ever attacked Rochester or the PBL.

A1 Sports is a planted mole and just spins things out of control , its just now that everyone has finally caught on to him.

[tbayz1]

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[tbayz1]

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[Paul S]

as someone who has nothing to do with either league.........

-its a fair point Corning that A1 made, I mean you are always desperately looking for any bad news about the PBL and Rochester in particular. You've started two posts on two threads to announce the news that there was a DWI and also added it to other threads. You are obsessed with Rochester.

- I don't know whom A1 is? I don't think anyone does, but for sure A1 has a very good source in the ABA. I don't know if I believe his cover story that the ABA general meeting was so badly organized he simply wandered in and sat at table, Joe wandered by and said "Hi Dave" and his name isn't Dave. I think the proof in A1 is that he isn't on other boards complaining about the AHL, AF2, NL or other minor leagues for no reason. He rips on the ABA because the ABA is................well the ABA is the ABA. A circus.

- I really hope Corning Bulldogs do well this year.

[besl]

I don't know if I believe his cover story that the ABA general meeting was so badly organized he simply wandered in and sat at table, Joe wandered by and said "Hi Dave" and his name isn't Dave.

I can confirm that it is indeed possible for anyone to attend an ABA meeting. There's always enough empty seats that anyone can come in (the doors are usually at the back) and just sit down where ever they'd like. And for anyone who happens to be in the Indianapolis area the next time there's an ABA meeting, its a good chance to get a free meal as the buffet is always easily accessible as well.

[robster2001]

And actually it was the Rochester paper that tabbed two days in a row as the "Rochester Razorsharks GM"

Why ? Because that is his public title. He carrys that title everywhere he goes and he is suppose to act as a role model to the youth.

When Mike Vick got busted was he just Mike Vick ? or was he the Atlanta Falcons Quarterback/NFL Star. When you have a public sports title like that a since of responsibility comes a long with it.

Wait a minute... you can't tell me you're comparing the general manager (*not* an on-field/court performer) of a low minor pro basketball team to Michael Vick?

You're stretching here.

General managers aren't role models. Players are role models.

Again, what he did was wrong. But I doubt there are kids who'll think drinking is cool because some office guy did it.

You're tired of ABA bashing? I'm tired of ABAers escalating anything any other league does in a futile attempt to pretend that it somehow justifies the ABA's miserable situation.

You don't really have the high moral ground here. Making a big noise about the GM of a team in another league doesn't change things in your league. Yes, DWI is wrong. Yes, he deserves his punishment. But right now, it comes off as you trying to deflect attention from your league by pouncing on something as barely relevant as this.

Fix your own house. Turn your wrath on your league office for being unable to stop adding unstable franchises. Turn your wrath on your league office for being unable to give you a schedule less than 2 months before the first game. Turn your wrath on your league office for wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars of "reservation fees". Stop looking at other leagues. You don't have time for that. Your league is a mess. Try fixing it. Once the ABA is a shining light, playing most (I won't ask for "all" yet) of its scheduled games with a vast majority of its teams making it to the end of the season... then come back and cry foul at anything the PBL does.

There's a Biblical saying about glass houses and stones you might want to brush up on.

[preeths]

James, I'd let this go and concentrate on the Corning Bulldogs. Let the law deal with lawbreakers.

[Corning Bulldogs]

Preeths,

I agree.

This was not my thread and tons of other posters were speaking thier minds on the tragedys drunk driving can cause.

I have seen it first hand with two tragedys to friends while they were in thier teenage years, so I chimed in.

Chuck the writer , Fells and many other posters spoke thier mind.

As usual I am the "ABA GUY" so a few posters decided to spin things into something it was not.

Let's just hope a lesson has been learned from all of this and everyone thinks twice before getting behind a wheel after drinking.

[Fells]

I think this topic has had enough.......