AHL coming to Austin

[suge night]

On last week an press release went out about a new AHL team and arena coming to town,so what will happen to the Icebats when this goes down.

[sportsguy12]

On last week an press release went out about a new AHL team and arena coming to town,so what will happen to the Icebats when this goes down.

Where did you see this? This is news to me and I follow the AHL very closely.

[rams80]

On last week an press release went out about a new AHL team and arena coming to town,so what will happen to the Icebats when this goes down.

Are you sure you don't mean NAHL? A link would help.

This also is news to me, and I too follow the league closely.

[Geoff]

AHL

http://www.kcci.com/sports/14053694/detail.html

http://www.iowastarshockey.com/newsandstats/pressreleases/?article_id=1116

Article from Austin (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/09/05/0905bats.html)

[rams80]

AHL

http://www.kcci.com/sports/14053694/detail.html

http://www.iowastarshockey.com/newsandstats/pressreleases/?article_id=1116

Article from Austin (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/09/05/0905bats.html)

Well...based on quickly scanning the articles, I already see one potentially fatal flaw in this plan. The Dallas Stars don't appear to own the Iowa Stars. Now unless the Stars were planning on buying the Rampage, say, and moving them up North, this could be a real problem. Especially since there is only one dormant AHL franchise currently, and Dallas doesn't own it.

[chdahs]

Well...based on quickly scanning the articles, I already see one potentially fatal flaw in this plan. The Dallas Stars don't appear to own the Iowa Stars. Now unless the Stars were planning on buying the Rampage, say, and moving them up North, this could be a real problem. Especially since there is only one dormant AHL franchise currently, and Dallas doesn't own it.

Not going to happen until 2010 at the earliest, and rams, don't u know the Rampage cannot be bought if the Spurs own them after buying Florida out of that disaster; why was Phoenix brought there after Utah suspended and then sold to Cleveland aka Lake Erie.

Historical note

Iowa was Louisville until Howard Baldwin bought the franchise after fiscal mismanagement by the Afr family whose only holding is the Elmira franchise that recently switched to the ECHL.

The Spurs desired that franchise but the Afr's wouldn't sell and ended up buying the Adirondack franchise off the Red Wings.

Iowa will still have a franchise; Dallas just won't be the parent team in 3 years, Edmonton's current agreement in Springfield ends the same season so that dormant franchise may be theirs if not sold by then.

[rams80]

Not going to happen until 2010 at the earliest, and rams, don't u know the Rampage cannot be bought if the Spurs own them after buying Florida out of that disaster; why was Phoenix brought there after Utah suspended and then sold to Cleveland aka Lake Erie.

Historical note

Iowa was Louisville until Howard Baldwin bought the franchise after fiscal mismanagement by the Afr family whose only holding is the Elmira franchise that recently switched to the ECHL.

The Spurs desired that franchise but the Afr's wouldn't sell and ended up buying the Adirondack franchise off the Red Wings.

Iowa will still have a franchise; Dallas just won't be the parent team in 3 years, Edmonton's current agreement in Springfield ends the same season so that dormant franchise may be theirs if not sold by then.

Wow....Louisville, and Afr...you just can't resist can you.

HUTCH.....I was offering a suggestion. A suggestion based on San Antonio's notoriously poor attendance and the fact that I'm not sure the AHL would approve a third Texas team and I'm not sure the Spurs would be willing to continue to suffer losses.

As for Phoenix's presence, that can be quickly explained by the AHL bylaw requiring an affiliate for an active franchise. *bangs head on desk*.

[chdahs]

Wow....Louisville, and Afr...you just can't resist can you.

HUTCH.....I was offering a suggestion. A suggestion based on San Antonio's notoriously poor attendance and the fact that I'm not sure the AHL would approve a third Texas team and I'm not sure the Spurs would be willing to continue to suffer losses.

As for Phoenix's presence, that can be quickly explained by the AHL bylaw requiring an affiliate for an active franchise. *bangs head on desk*.

rams80

Did u ever consider that Florida became more of the issue than was led to believe in SA and where is your evidence that the Spurs would be willing to continue in San Antonio no matter whom the parent team is. My point is Houston nor San Antonio are going anywhere in three years otherwise the Rampage wouldn't have been brought to SA.

You don't hear the public squabble w/ Phoenix in the last two + years that transpired when the Spurs bought Florida out and elected to dissolve that partnership and elected to run the franchise themselves.

I do agree though a lot will change between now & 2010. The AHL Bylaw was in place well before the Rampage aka the Adirondack Red Wings existed so that argument holds no water with any veteran AHL Fan

I happen to recognize the history of our league. You choose to ignore that.

[rams80]

rams80

Did u ever consider that Florida became more of the issue than was led to believe in SA and where is your evidence that the Spurs would be willing to continue in San Antonio no matter whom the parent team is. My point is Houston nor San Antonio are going anywhere in three years otherwise the Rampage wouldn't have been brought to SA.

Have you looked at a map? (No, of course not, otherwise you'd never know that San Antonio isn't that far from Austin.) The Rampage were bought by the Spurs because San Antonio, at the time, was willing to take a loss, simply because the team would fill arena dates. If the team continues to draw poorly, though, they may re-evaluate that decision. It's this level of abstract thought that has continued to escape you in your years-long posting career.

You don't hear the public squabble w/ Phoenix in the last two + years that transpired when the Spurs bought Florida out and elected to dissolve that partnership and elected to run the franchise themselves.

????? Link or it isn't/didn't happen.

I do agree though a lot will change between now & 2010. The AHL Bylaw was in place well before the Rampage aka the Adirondack Red Wings existed so that argument holds no water with any veteran AHL Fan

What the *bleep* Hutch?! Every veteran AHL fan I talk to seems to think that the only teams the AHL might "ignore" that bylaw for would be Hershey, Rochester, and Springfield. Yes the bylaw predates the franchise, but that doesn't mean they won't enforce it.

I happen to recognize the history of our league. You choose to ignore that.

Pointlessly dragging Afr and Louisville into this discussion isn't recognizing the history of the league. Shoot, the league only acknowledges its history when its convenient to do so. I recognize it as much as they do.

[chdahs]

Have you looked at a map? (No, of course not, otherwise you'd never know that San Antonio isn't that far from Austin.) The Rampage were bought by the Spurs because San Antonio, at the time, was willing to take a loss, simply because the team would fill arena dates. If the team continues to draw poorly, though, they may re-evaluate that decision. It's this level of abstract thought that has continued to escape you in your years-long posting career.



????? Link or it isn't/didn't happen.



What the *bleep* Hutch?! Every veteran AHL fan I talk to seems to think that the only teams the AHL might "ignore" that bylaw for would be Hershey, Rochester, and Springfield. Yes the bylaw predates the franchise, but that doesn't mean they won't enforce it.



Pointlessly dragging Afr and Louisville into this discussion isn't recognizing the history of the league. Shoot, the league only acknowledges its history when its convenient to do so. I recognize it as much as they do.
pointlessly, rams YOU are the one who consistently ignores the facts w/ extremely weak arguments.

San Antonio is far from Austin just as SA IS FAR FROM Houston AND WOULDN'T The Aeros have said anything about SA if they could've.

Where is your so-called evidence that Spurs Sports is losing financially other than their core property in the Spurs, you haven't provided that to prove or disprove anything, they did add the SA Silver Stars after buying them from Larry Miller up in Salt Lake or technically West Valley City.


Since when did you become the so-called expert in hockey, rams, do you have finances hidden somewhere that you own a share of the SA OWNERSHIP?

The link, FYI, about Florida's demise in SA can either be found on the Rampage or AHL Site, WHY do you think the Spurs got tired of the constant interference from Florida over two years ago to file an application to remove them FROM ANY CONTROLLING interest w/ the AHL in regards to the Rampage and why the Panthers did the same thing when their prospects weren't getting paid back in 2001 because of the Afr's and you blame me for not bringing the Louisville situation up in here is pointless which also threw Port Huron into constant turmoil after the AHL terminated the Louisville franchise and will never, ever consider an application from that prospective owner. That's why Elmira switched to the E.

AHL Fans have short memories rams80, you cannot prove anything because what does SA have to do w/ a proposed Austin team.

Dallas and Utah were embroiled in a lawsuit at the time the AHL FRANCHISE was terminated AS WELL.

Will this happen, I'm not going to worry about it for the next three years because a lot can and likely will change between now and 2010

[rams80]

pointlessly, rams YOU are the one who consistently ignores the facts w/ extremely weak arguments.

San Antonio is far from Austin just as SA IS FAR FROM Houston AND WOULDN'T The Aeros have said anything about SA if they could've.

Houston is roughly 120 miles farther from San Antonio than Austin is. Point for me.

Where is your so-called evidence that Spurs Sports is losing financially other than their core property in the Spurs, you haven't provided that to prove or disprove anything, they did add the SA Silver Stars after buying them from Larry Miller up in Salt Lake or technically West Valley City.

2006-2007 Avg Attendance: 4132.3 (announced). Not Mendoza line, but I bet they're hurting.
As for the Silver Stars....that just fills more arena dates, so it's even less of a pressing matter to keep the Rampage.


Since when did you become the so-called expert in hockey, rams, do you have finances hidden somewhere that you own a share of the SA OWNERSHIP?

Hutch, I don't have a sports business degree and don't own a stake in any professional team, but I still know more about running a franchise than you.

The link, FYI, about Florida's demise in SA can either be found on the Rampage or AHL Site, WHY do you think the Spurs got tired of the constant interference from Florida over two years ago to file an application to remove them FROM ANY CONTROLLING interest w/ the AHL in regards to the Rampage and why the Panthers did the same thing when their prospects weren't getting paid back in 2001 because of the Afr's and you blame me for not bringing the Louisville situation up in here is pointless which also threw Port Huron into constant turmoil after the AHL terminated the Louisville franchise and will never, ever consider an application from that prospective owner. That's why Elmira switched to the E.

Ok....I'm not even sure that's English.

AHL Fans have short memories rams80, you cannot prove anything because what does SA have to do w/ a proposed Austin team.

*bangs head on desk* Look...I was speaking in hypotheticals. Something that is apparently beyond your limited intellect to comprehend.

Dallas and Utah were embroiled in a lawsuit at the time the AHL FRANCHISE was terminated AS WELL.

Will this happen, I'm not going to worry about it for the next three years because a lot can and likely will change between now and 2010

I feel sorry for the folks at AHLfans.net.

[chdahs]

Houston is roughly 120 miles farther from San Antonio than Austin is. Point for me.



2006-2007 Avg Attendance: 4132.3 (announced). Not Mendoza line, but I bet they're hurting.
As for the Silver Stars....that just fills more arena dates, so it's even less of a pressing matter to keep the Rampage.




Hutch, I don't have a sports business degree and don't own a stake in any professional team, but I still know more about running a franchise than you.



Ok....I'm not even sure that's English.



*bangs head on desk* Look...I was speaking in hypotheticals. Something that is apparently beyond your limited intellect to comprehend.



I feel sorry for the folks at AHLfans.net.

you act like the conspiracy theorists affiliated w/ the Chicago Wolves who act like they know just exactly how to run an affiliated franchise, rams80, that are over on HF spewing inaccuracies about how an affiliated franchise is required or could an independent franchise exist in the AHL

San Antonio is a business entity, attendance is not the only factor in a successful franchise, you should know that if u claim you don't have a degree in Business any hockey fan will tell you that.

The Silver Stars weren't there when the Rampage were formed AND WITH THE ON-ICE product of the Rampage wasn't good when the Panthers were there which is expected when the market wasn't previously exposed to the level of the AHL.

San Antonio isn't going anywhere and why are we even discussing this now when no one else cares and isn't discussing this until 2009-10 or later if it ever happens

My point is: there are many pitfalls Dallas will have to go through to apply to a probable team in Austin. We've seen or heard that grandiose plans before.

Rossford, Ohio never got that far and last I saw that proposed arena nor the ampitheater were ever completed.

Tecumseh, Ontario the proposed destination of the Robinson franchise went nowhere either after an agreement to build an arena after a year in development.(the team is now the Ice Hogs) Who's to say this won't fail

[rams80]

you act like the conspiracy theorists affiliated w/ the Chicago Wolves who act like they know just exactly how to run an affiliated franchise, rams80, that are over on HF spewing inaccuracies about how an affiliated franchise is required or could an independent franchise exist in the AHL

How am I a conspiracy theorist, and how come hfboards hasn't banned you yet?

San Antonio is a business entity, attendance is not the only factor in a successful franchise, you should know that if u claim you don't have a degree in Business any hockey fan will tell you that.

Yes but it's the most important.

The Silver Stars weren't there when the Rampage were formed AND WITH THE ON-ICE product of the Rampage wasn't good when the Panthers were there which is expected when the market wasn't previously exposed to the level of the AHL.

What are you saying precisely? I'm saying that the Silver Stars being there NOW indicates there is less of a need to keep the team in operation.

San Antonio isn't going anywhere and why are we even discussing this now when no one else cares and isn't discussing this until 2009-10 or later if it ever happens

My point is: there are many pitfalls Dallas will have to go through to apply to a probable team in Austin. We've seen or heard that grandiose plans before.

Rossford, Ohio never got that far and last I saw that proposed arena nor the ampitheater were ever completed.

Tecumseh, Ontario the proposed destination of the Robinson franchise went nowhere either after an agreement to build an arena after a year in development.(the team is now the Ice Hogs) Who's to say this won't fail

Well...I was simply exploring the "acquire franchise" stage of the Dallas plan, assuming all else stays the same.

[WacoTitan]

I have the solution....move the Ice Bats to Waco and let Austin get their AHL team :)

[rams80]

I have the solution....move the Ice Bats to Waco and let Austin get their AHL team :)

That's not a solution.

[canuck steve]

That's not a solution.

David Andrews, president of the AHL was on the Marlies game of the week and when asked who he thought would be the 30 th AHL, he said Austin Texas,once the arena is built and hopelly in 2009-10

[djchuckc]

David made the same announcement at the AHL all-star game about Austin being the location for the 30th AHL team.

[Snake Bitten]

The Stars WILL have an AHL team in the Northwest Austin area beginning in 09-10. Construction on a new facility in the Cedar Park area has either begun or will be starting very soon.

[SeaToby]

Its part of a development in Cedar Park, Dallas' AHL franchise will be located in Cedar Park starting in October 2009. Dirt is flying fast. Dallas' former owner Norman Green has another development across the street.

While the Arena Football team will most likely move in as well. The new hockey team will be called the Texas Stars.

The Cedar Park Events Center will seat 6,800 for hockey, 8,800 for center stage concerts. Cedar Park and Roundrock have grown significantly in the past ten years. North Austin is growing as fast as North Dallas; Plano, Frisco, Allen, and McKinney.

The CHL plans to move into the new Allen Events Center as well with an expansion team, some think the Brahmas might move into Allen.