anybody have a good historical record of...

[dbaproball]

1. teams that have come from other leagues to the ABA
2. teams that have left the ABA to go to other leagues

I'm not really finding a good single source. The more recent ones from the ABA are easier to find:

RGV to CBA
Pittsburgh to CBA
Minnesota to PBL
Rochestor to PBL
Maryland to PBL
Wilmington to PBL
Reading to PBL
Quad Cities to PBL
Rockford to PBL

....weren't there defections to the IBL?

[Paul S]

Arkansas to the D-League


Well Fells spent some time figuring out that around 62 percent of games actually were played in 2006 and the SEC report indicates that 20 million + has been lost in this venture.

So I'm sure we can figure this out.

The other thing is how many teams played less than a season and folded, or in ABA parlance, were thrown out for not meeting the minimum requirements. (ie Calgary Drillers). How many teams were announced by the league and never played a single game (a'la Edmonton Cheetahs).

[tbayz1]

Indiana--> CBA (but not playing this season)

Bellingham--> IBL

[dbaproball]

I'm particularly interested in the teams that have come and gone to/from (not really folded), relative to the "Ask the CEO" release that just hit OSC today. Just trying to figure out how big of an impact these defections have had relative to the 100+ total teams that had one time existed in the league. Have any teams left other leagues to come to the ABA in the 7 year history of the new ABA? Thanks for pointing out Arkansas....I forgot about them.

[Paul S]

Detroit Dawgs to the C11BL (the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy League)

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Here is a list of teams (prior to 06-07) announced by the ABA. Some played, some vanished. There are probably 5 or 6 I'm missing:

Alexandria United
Anaheim Roadrunners
Arizona Rhinos
Arkansas RimRockers
Arkansas Scorpions
Atlanta Mustangs
Baltimore Pearls
Bellevue Blackhawks
Birmingham Magicians
Boston Frenzy
Buffalo Rapids
Calgary Drillers
California Buzz
California Eagles
Carolina Thunder
Carson Buzz
Central Valley Dawgs
Charlotte Krunk
Chattanooga Steamers
Chicago Rockets
Chicago Soldiers
Chicago Skyliners
Cincinnati Blaze
Cincinnati Monarchs
Cleveland Rockers
Colorado Springs Storm
Columbia Rottweilers
Detroit Dogs
Detroit Wheels
Florida Pit Bulls
Gallup Talons
Gwinnett Gwizzlies
Georgia Reigning Knights
Harlem Revs
Harle, Strong Dogs
Hawaii Mega Force
Hermosilio Seris
Indiana Legends
Indiana Alley Cats
Inglewood Cobras
Houston Havoc
Jacksonville Jackals
Jacksonville Wave
Jersey Squires
Juarez Gallos
Kansas City Knights
Kentucky Colonels
Kentucky Pro-Cats
Lake Charles Hurricanes
Las Vegas Rattlers
Las Vegas Slam
Lincoln Thunder
Long Beach Jam
Long Beach Laguneros
Los Angeles Aftershock
Los Angeles Stars
Maywood Laguneros
Memphis Houn’ Dogs
Miami Pit Bulls
Minneapolis Slamma Jammas
Minot City Freeze
Mississippi Stingers
Motown Jammers
Nashville Rhythm
Native America
New Jersey Jaguars
New Jersey SkyCats
New Mexico Style
Niagara Daredevils
Norfolk Navigators
North Carolina Renegades
NE PA Breakers
Ohio Aviators
Oklahoma City Ballhawgs
Ontario Warriors
Orlando Orange Men
Orange County Crush
Pennsylvania Pitbulls
Pensacola Aviators
Phoenix Eclipse
Philadelphia Fusion
Philadelphia Squires
Pittsburgh Hardhats
Pittsburgh Xplosion
Portland Reign
Reno Rockers
Richmond Generals
St. Louis Flight
St. Louis Rotweilers
Salt Lake Dream
San Antonio Stallions
San Diego Wildfire
San Francisco Pilots
San Jose SkyRockets
SoCal Legends
Southern Caliornia Surf
Tacoma Navigators
Tampa Bay Thunder Dawgs
Tampa Bay Tornados
Tijuana Diablos
Trenton Squires
Twin City Ballers
Utah Snowbears
Valley Legends
Visalia Dawgs

[Chuck the Writer]

1. teams that have come from other leagues to the ABA
2. teams that have left the ABA to go to other leagues

I'm not really finding a good single source. The more recent ones from the ABA are easier to find:

RGV to CBA
Pittsburgh to CBA
Minnesota to PBL
Rochestor to PBL
Maryland to PBL
Wilmington to PBL
Reading to PBL
Quad Cities to PBL
Rockford to PBL

....weren't there defections to the IBL?

Okay, let me see if I can help on this one.

Arkansas RimRockers went from 2005 ABA champion to D-League
Pittsburgh Xplosion, Indiana Alley Cats and San Jose (later Minot) Skyrockets moved to CBA after 2006 season.
NEPA Breakers moved to USBL after 2006 season.
Rio Grande Valley Silverados to CBA after 2006-07 season.
Rochester Razorsharks, Maryland Nighthawks, Reading Railers, Minnesota Ripknees, Wilmington Sea Dogs, Quad Cities Riverhawks and Rock River Fury to PBL after 2006-07 season.
Bellingham Slam to IBL after 2006-07 season.

That's what, fourteen teams to four leagues in three years? And if you don't count the PBL defections, you would have seven franchises in three seasons.

[OneBetter]

Long Beach Jam of the ABA moved to Bakersfield and became the Bakersfield Jam of the D-League (same owners, same organization)

[Paul S]

The Vancouver ABA team left and has joined the CBA as the Vancouver Dragons, they are trying to be an all Chinese team.

However this is a little weak as neither team has ever played a minute.

[TheStandard]

The Vancouver ABA team left and has joined the CBA as the Vancouver Dragons, they are trying to be an all Chinese team.

However this is a little weak as neither team has ever played a minute.

Vancouver wont play till 2010 which means they will find a new excuse in 2010 to not to play

[robster2001]

From the ABA page on Wikipedia:


Arkansas RimRockers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_RimRockers) - joined NBA Development League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League), currently inactive
Bellingham Slam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingham_Slam) - now in International Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Basketball_League)
Charlotte Krunk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Krunk) - now in Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association) as Atlanta Krunk Wolverines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Krunk_Wolverines)
Florida Pit Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Pit_Bulls) - now in Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association) as East Kentucky Miners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Kentucky_Miners)
Indiana Alley Cats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Alley_Cats) - joined Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association), currently inactive
Knoxville Noise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Noise) - joined World Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Basketball_Association), but folded before first game
Long Beach Jam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach_Jam) - now in NBA Development League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League) as Bakersfield Jam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakersfield_Jam)
Los Angeles Aftershock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Aftershock) - joined Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association), currently inactive
Maryland Nighthawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Nighthawks) - now in Premier Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Basketball_League)
Minnesota Ripknees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Ripknees) - now in Premier Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Basketball_League)
Northeast Pennsylvania Breakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Pennsylvania_Breakers) - joined United States Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Basketball_League), but folded after one season there
Oklahoma City Cavalry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_Cavalry) - now in Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association) as Oklahoma Cavalry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Cavalry)
Pittsburgh Xplosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Xplosion) - now in Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association)
Quad City Riverhawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_City_Riverhawks) - now in Premier Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Basketball_League)
Reading Railers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Railers) - now in Premier Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Basketball_League)
Rio Grande Valley Silverados (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Grande_Valley_Silverados) - now in Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association)
Rochester Razorsharks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester_Razorsharks) - now in Premier Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Basketball_League)
Rock River Fury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_River_Fury) - now in Premier Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Basketball_League)
San Jose SkyRockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_SkyRockets) - now in Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association) as Minot SkyRockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minot_SkyRockets)
SoCal Legends (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoCal_Legends) - joined Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association), currently inactive
Vancouver Dragons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Dragons) - joined Continental Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Basketball_Association), currently inactive
Waco Wranglers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Wranglers) - now in United Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Basketball_League)
Wilmington Sea Dawgs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmington_Sea_Dawgs) - now in Premier Basketball League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Basketball_League)

[bectond]

This is a review of the worst track record in the history of rec-leaque sports.

(25 Total) Returning Franchises
Atlanta Vison Completed 3 seasons
Beijing Aoshen Olympian Completed 2 seasons
Big Valley Shockwave Completed 1 season
Brooklyn Comets Completed 1 season
Buffalo Rapids/Silverbacks Completed 2 seasons
Cape Cod Frenzy Completed 3 seasons
Detroit Panthers Completed 1 season
Gallup Outlaws Completed 1 season
Houston Takers Completed 1 season
Jacksonville Jam Completed 1 season
Maywood Buzz Completed 4 seasons
Mississippi Miracles Completed 1 season
Montreal Royal Completed 1 season
Newark Eagles Completed 2 seasons
Orlando Aces Completed 1 season
Palm Beach Imperials Completed 1 season
Peoria Kings Completed 1 season
Quebec City Kebekwa Completed 1 season
Sacramento Heatwave Completed 2 seasons (Folded after 1st yr but came back)
San Diego Wildcats Completed 1 season
St. Louis Stunners Completed 1 season
Strong Island Sound Completed 2 seasons
Texas Tycoons Completed 2 season (Folded after 1st yr but came back)
Tijuana Dragons Completed 4 seasons
Vermont Frost Heaves Completed 1 season


(91 Total) Failed Franchises
Anderson Champions (Failed to complete a season, may return)
Arkansas Aeros
Arkansas Rivercatz
Baltimore Pearls
Bellevue Blackhawks
Birmingham Magicians
Brooklyn Heat
Brooklyn Wonders
Calgary Drillers
California Eagles
California Terminators
Carolina Thunder
Centinelas de Mexicali
Central Valley Dawgs
Chattanooga Steamers
Chicago Rockstars
Chicago Skyliners
Chicago Soldiers
Cleveland Rockers
Cincinnati Monarchs
Colorado Storm
Detroit Dogs
Detroit Wheels
Edmonton Cheetahs
Gallop Talons
Hammond Rollers
Hawaii Mega Force
Hermosillo Seris
Hollywood Fame
Indiana Legends
Inglewood Cobras
Jacksonville Wave
Juarez Gallos
Kansas City Knights
Kentucky Colonels
Kentucky Pro Cats
Kentucky Retros
King County Royals
Lake Charles Hurricanes
Lake Erie Rockers
Las Vegas Rattlers
Las Vegas Slam
Lincoln Thunder
Los Angeles Stars
Louisiana Cajun Pelicans
Memphis Hound'Dawgs
Mexicali Sentinels
Miami Tropics
Minnepolis Slamma Jammas
Mississippi Stingers
Montreal Matrix
Monterrey Veneno
Motown Jammers
Nashville Rhythm
New Jersey SkyCats
New Mexico Style
New Orleans Blues
Niagara Daredevils
Norfolk Ballers (Failed to complete a season, may return)
Norfolk Navigators
Ohio Aviators
Oklahoma City Ballhawgs
Ontario Warriors
Pensacola Aviators
Philadelphia Colonials
Philadelphia Fusion
Phoenix Eclipse
Pittsburgh Hardhats
Portland Reign
Queens Kings
Raleigh Renegades
Reigning Knights of Georgia
Richmond Generals
River City Ballers
San Antonio Stallions
San Diego Wildfire
Southern California Surf
San Francisco Pilots
Southern Alabama Bounce
St. Louis Flight
Tacoma Navigators
Tampa Bay ThunderDawgs
Tampa Bay Tornados
Tennessee Mud Frogs (Failed to complete a season, may return)
Toledo Ice
Toledo Royal Knights
Twin Cities Slamma Jammas
Twin City Ballers
Valley Legends
Waco Wrangles
Utah Snowbears

Former teams that joined other leagues (24 total)
Arkansas RimRockers - now in NBA Development League
Charlotte Krunk - now in Continental Basketball Association as Atlanta Krunk
Bellingham Slam - now in International Basketball League
Florida Pit Bulls - now in Continental Basketball Association as East Kentucky Miners
Indiana Alley Cats - now in Continental Basketball Association
Knoxville Noise - now in World Basketball Association
Long Beach Jam - now in NBA Development League as Bakersfield Jam
Los Angeles Aftershock - now in Continental Basketball Association
Maryland Nighthawks - now in Premier Basketball League
Miami Tropics - went back to being a touring team
Minneapolis Ripknee - now in Premier Basketball League
Northeast Pennsylvania Breakers - were in United States Basketball League
Oklahoma City Cavalry - now in Continental Basketball Association
Pittsburgh Xplosion - now in Continental Basketball Association
Reading Railers - now in Premier Basketball League
Rochester Razorsharks - now in Premier Basketball League
San Jose SkyRockets - now in Continental Basketball Association as Minot SkyRockets
SoCal Legends - supposedly in Continental Basketball Association
Vancouver Dragons - supposedly in Continental Basketball Association
Wilmington Sea Dawgs - now in Premier Basketball League
Waco Wrangles - now in United Basketball League
Quad City River Hawks - now in Premier Basketball League
Round Rock Fury -now in Premier Basketball League
Rio Grande Valley Sliverados - now in Continental Basketball League

The ABA has had 137 franchises in six years, only 25 of the 137 are expected to return and play the 07/08 season. Of those 25 franchises only 9 have completed two full seasons.
Of those 9 teams:
-Two have folded at some point in their history.
-One has moved or changed it’s name following each season.
-and three are rumored to be in grave danger.

[The Magician]

are still around ...

Kids taught to shoot baskets, not bullets
Wednesday, August 15, 2007

You can find a lot of shooting in sports.

There are shots on tennis courts and shots on soccer fields. You have shots over the outfield wall in baseball and a quarterback might receive a shot from a blitzing linebacker.

Saturday, more than 50 youngsters worked on their shots on the basketball court at the Lakeshore Foundation. They also were urged to avoid taking the kind of shots that can put their futures in jeopardy.

The U.S. Department of Justice teamed with the Birmingham mayor's Division of Youth Services and the Birmingham Magicians semipro basketball team and law enforcement officers to host a basketball camp.

Not just any camp. While jump shots and layups were taught and taken, this camp also urged that shooting with guns be avoided.

Boys and girls picked up playing tips in the morning at the Project Safe Neighborhoods Basketball Camp. In the afternoon, they picked up tips for the game of life.

"We target youth to let them know to stay away from guns," said Jill Ellis, executive assistant to the U.S. Attorney. "That's why we say, `Shoot baskets, not bullets.' Stay away from guns."

Each child got a T-shirt as a reminder of that message. Representatives from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives also spoke to the campers.

Their message was that they must have a goal and they have to have a dream if they hope to achieve.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Alison Blackwell is the local coordinator of Project Safe Neighborhood, which is the firearm and anti-gang arm of the agency. She said she'd much rather see these campers on the basketball court than in criminal court.

"I've been prosecuting a long time and they get younger and younger," she said. "Some of these kids have never been in a facility like this. We're able to show them different options that are available."

Cedric Sparks, the executive director of the Division of Youth Services, said he hopes the camp whets the appetites of youngsters to let them know what they can become.

"And they can't become that if they fall to the ills of the streets," he said. "Being involved in camps like this teaches them to nurture their natural ability and learn that there are rules to the game as well. Not knowing the rules is as bad as not playing the game at all because you can still fall ill to the things that you're thinking are the right way to go but they're actually not."

Like settling an argument with a gun.

No doubt several of the 7- to 16-year-olds envision themselves as future stars of the hardwood. Few boys in fourth grade or higher don't include a professional sports career among their life goals.

Sparks isn't one to squelch such hopes.

"As long as they dream, as long as their dream is beyond what they see day to day," he said. "There are always limitless opportunities."

Unless you make the wrong choices. Then you may blow your shot. Solomon Crenshaw Jr.'s column on community sports appears on Wednesdays. Write him at screnshaw@bhamnews.com.

http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports/1187167456197260.xml&coll=2

[meyes]

The logos of many of those former and never-were teams are a prominent feature of the Reno team's new web site. Only in the ABA.
And what is so "tough" about getting a web site up? I can help almost any business get one up in hours and for very little money.

[The Magician]

The logos of many of those former and never-were teams are a prominent feature of the Reno team's new web site. Only in the ABA.

http://www.abareno.com/

It must be a NEWMAN thing? :infun:

[The Magician]

This is a review of the worst track record in the history of rec-leaque sports.

Just think ...

If only there had been a capable ABA CEO from the very beginning!

[The Sweeper]

Even though it hasn't been updated in 2 1/2 years...

http://www.logoserver.com/ABA2K.html

You'll find a lot of teams that are on that list, and a few that are not.