2 more teams bolt the rec league

[a1sports]

Looks like Quad City and Rockford have decided to move to a professional league, the PBL. True businessmen know what the right move is.


PS, Alex, any comments yet? been waiting for a year !

Time for a new schedule, version 67,454 and counting.

[tbayz1]

Wasnt the owner of these teams on here posting one day??

Well Ill be dammed, thats 2 pretty decent teams the ABA has, but I dont see any indication or notice of this yet, so I guess Ill have to keep my eyes open!!

Any other ABA teams considering the jump a1...?

[Minor League Man]

I would ask for a source, but a1, you're an insider.

Where did you hear this, and when should the rest of us hear this?

[The Magician]

Looks like Quad City and Rockford have decided to move to a professional league, the PBL. True businessmen know what the right move is.

Should we anticipate a press release?

[a1sports]

Very simple..I had my buddy stand outside the PBL owners meeting at the hotel and when it was over...he asked a few owners, whats going on?...looks like some talked!

He also said Kenny Smith was there talking to the owners . Then left in a limo.

An internet company was there.

A rep from Direct TV.

An owners governing board was formed.

There was over 30 applications to the PBL. One owner said there will be only ten teams this year. Six more added to 2008.

[TheStandard]

Kenny Smith was there and that is very much confirmed.

PBL is doing things the right way. Patience is the virtue of all good things

[PHXfan]

Tuscon... PBL ???

[Fells]

Looks like Quad City and Rockford have decided to move to a professional league, the PBL. True businessmen know what the right move is.


PS, Alex, any comments yet? been waiting for a year !

Time for a new schedule, version 67,454 and counting.

If this occurs, it would be devastating for the ABA and I don't think I am over stating that statement. Those are two very strong teams with solid ownership, and they seem to really have their acts together. That would really throw off things in the midwest and make travel more complicated.

I think if this happens, Brad will be taking shots of Jack with Maalox chasers as he will have to play with the schedule yet again. The instability of the league, and teams coming in and out like potheads in a head shop tells me that Joe must step down from the league. If he doesn't, the league will be dead in two years TOPS, but could go down sooner. The financial problems, lawsuits, and the haphazard way he runs the league is a joke and ruins the image of minor league basketball as a whole.

I firmly believe there are good owners, and people like Brad who bust their tails to try and make this thing work. Joe is the one who gets in the way because he is the one who makes the final call on implementation of what are solid ideas from Brad and others.

[rider]

I hear from good sources that Flint is not solid and will not start and Palm Beach is connected to Flint and won't happen. Same ownership! Miami Tropics who didn't finish the season is now Flint Tropics who won't start.

[Chuck the Writer]

I hear from good sources that Flint is not solid and will not start and Palm Beach is connected to Flint and won't happen. Same ownership! Miami Tropics who didn't finish the season is now Flint Tropics who won't start.

Right now, according to the ABA's own webpage, this organization is scheduled to field 41 teams (43 if you count Beijing and Tijuana).

What a company.

[TheStandard]

can we give the league the old yeller treatment already?

[rams80]

I have a better idea why Peoria's out this year now.

[gostlouis]

After reading this development I'm now worried about the future of the St. Louis Stunners. The Stunners played against Quad City and Peoria almost half the time last year. With these two teams gone, who are the Stunners going to play that is close?

This doesn't look good at all. It's a huge blow to the midwest division. :(

[Fells]

I have a better idea why Peoria's out this year now.

Care to share?

[rams80]

Care to share?

No QC, no Rockford, a St. Louis team that was iffy last year, Chicago's always iffy....

Essentially, Peoria has no more close divisional rivals, and they probably can't afford the travel.

Competing with Bradley also probably hurt them.

[Pounder]

Competing? Was it even competitive?

[The Magician]

That Tom McGinn had been contacted by the ABA League office upon hearing the rumor ...

And Mr. McGinn confirmed that his teams will playing in the ABA this season!

[a1sports]

Simple phone call to Mr. McGinn this morning. Hes NOT in the ABA.

[rams80]

Competing? Was it even competitive?

Not really, which is what usually happens when a minor league team goes up against even a Mid-major level school. (Shame bectond hasn't caught on to that...)

[tbayz1]

Ill just wait for the press release!

You got a1 saying "make a phone call, hes not in the ABA"

Then theres the Magic Man saying "McGinn told the ABA his teams are staying in the ABA"

I dont know what to believe nor do I really give two <Removed by admin> about this lol, I dont care what league these teams are in, BUT i find it still interesting to see which ABA teams leave, and heres 2 potential teams that are in the better crowd of teams in the ABA

[The Magician]

Ill just wait for the press release!

You got a1 saying "make a phone call, hes not in the ABA"

Then theres the Magic Man saying "McGinn told the ABA his teams are staying in the ABA"

Let the Basketball Gods decide ...

Although, if McGinn's teams were to leave ... It would mess up the Midwest schedule.

I had heard, as of Tues night, that the Midwest was complete, with the exception of one away game for St Louis which needed to be scheduled.

[Paul S]

Ya poor Brad found out about a team leaving the ABA 3 weeks ago on this board. The guy didn't call the ABA just a newspaper and the story was picked up here.

Joe reads this board weekly and wishes it would just go away. I mean overall Peoria probably doesn't have much to worry about. I mean Rockford , Quad Cities bolt, Chicago simply doesn't show up and _______(insert any team here) will make the odd appearance. Big deal, old Joe has a plan.

1/ replace the Quad Cities schedule with Hawaii
2/ replace the Rockford schedule with Halifax
3/ issue press release saying he threw Quad Cities and Rockford out of the league
4/ no need to proof-read for grammatical errors, simply put on abalive.com
5/ call Peoria (collect) and announce he is good for any travel expense "above and beyond" what it would take to go to Quad Cities and Rockford
6/ check caller id (a habit since 1987) and not answer phone when Peoria calls looking for money.

[TheStandard]

I rather watch Roseanne Barr do stand up than watching the ABA at this point

[Paul S]

WOW.............thats a cut. THats a deep cut.

Poor Joes probably sitting in the Newman compound basement right now shouting "Connie, its gonna rain, my knees are acting up". You got him good.

Fair warning Standard, I'm gonna use that line.

[TheStandard]

which line lol.


Buying tickets for the Hawaii vs Anderson Champions game through Ticketbreak.com $10 dollars

Renting a car through Enterprise to get to the game: 79 dollars

Buying plane tickets to Indiana: 200 dollars round trip

Driving there to realize that theres a sign that says game canceled: Costly

[tbayz1]

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/08/23/sports/doc46cd1bd701124482155171.txt


Interesting, sounds like a possible move to the PBL can be a reality!

[Minor League Man]

Notice they won't specifically say whether they're in the ABA or not...Could be either way...

[tbayz1]

^Good point MLM

[Minor League Man]

^Good point MLM
Or it could be they've joined the PBL, but aren't telling anyone yet...

[bomp]

I think this guy is going to lose a lot of money before he bails out on this. This is a lot different than running a farm. "Gee, it would be fun to own a basketball team!" Another dreamer that Joe has found.

The ABA is not a real league. Figure it out idiots! Geez, I wish I had the money to burn that these pathetic clowns have.

Give Joe credit. He knows how to find suckers.

[Sam Hill]

McGinn:


“From a financial standpoint, we had a rough first year. I don’t have any numbers I want to brag about,” McGinn said. “It wasn’t a lucrative year.

“But during midseason, we had a turning point. We actually started picking up more sponsors, our ticket sales went up, and we learned how to attract fans.

“I believe in two years it will be a profitable venture. The second half of last season made me believe that.”

And...


Off the court, the franchise was a mess. Average announced attendance for the year was 240 fans, which was inflated by no-shows on corporate giveaways. Often, actual attendance was fewer than 100.

That's cause for optimism? Where the hell are the leading economic indicators there?


McGinn has targeted 1,200 to 1,500 for an average attendance in the team’s first season at its new home.

Unlikely. As long as you're just going to hope that 100 is going to turn into 1200 like sea monkeys grow or something.

[rider]

Both Palm Beach & Flint Are difinietly out and will not be playing neither teams are at the meetings. Schedule is very messed up and will get worst.

[a1sports]

you call whats going on a meeting?????

[Pounder]

Joe reads this board weekly and wishes it would just go away.

I want proof!

Here's the thing:

"Your focus determines your reality."

Perhaps I should apologize for giving out quotes from Star Wars I, but it's profound for this discussion.

Internet trolls are trying to disparage leagues and virtually every other business out there. You get used to it, go about your business, realize that not everyone uses the internet, or is smart enough to separate the trolls from possibly legitimate complaints, don't overdo it, and move on. It's not like the revolution has taken hold here.

However, a common theme of these owners and other pro-ABA forces (including a PM I once received) is that there's this organized campaign on this board that's out to get them. Since life is generally lived well away from this here internet, it kills me to think that these people fall into the conspiracy theory crap... UNLESS, and only unless, the prime business is the ponzi scheme rather than basketball. The fact that a few owners get a little basketball accomplished around all this is gravy, or an aberration. The solution to your problems, 99.994% of the time, is in YOUR mirror. If you're not even trying to solve the basketball problems, that tells me what the prime focus is. Clear and convincing evidence to the contrary requires a lot of action that should have started happening months ago. Just saying...

[The Magician]

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/08/23/sports/doc46cd1bd701124482155171.txt

Interesting, sounds like a possible move to the PBL can be a reality!

So did reps from the Quad City Riverhawks and the Rock River Fury show up at the meeting today in Indianapolis?

[The Magician]

you call whats going on a meeting?????

Any word coming out of Indianapolis today?

[The Magician]

Both Palm Beach & Flint Are difinietly out and will not be playing neither teams are at the meetings.

That doesn't surprise me. Palm Beach has been absent for awhile ...

[Paul S]

I want proof!

Well Pounder if your focus determines your reality then proof might be hard to come by huh? I mean I can't point to Youtube where you see Joe shouting "I just want this OSC board to go away" and "I read this OSC board every day"

I have an email that I believe shows Joe reads this board and also grumbles about the characters upon it and I can forward to Fells and/or Paul if needed.

But I once PM'ed a number of people and some moron then goes and does a cut and paste and yells at Joe to come sue us. If Paul and/or Fells want the email I will forward it. If not the proof will be like all the other proof on this ridiculous league.

No offence Pounder, you are a good poster but I trust the mods and Bomp only. Its not like I am an insider or anyone who has ever claimed to be part of the ABA, ever. I've been to a couple of Frenzy games and thats it. So as far as "proof" and Star Wars references goes thats it.

Although seeing as we all like Spinal Tap references in comparison to the ABA ........................then I fear Sir Dennis Eton Hogg ringing his lawyer.

[The Magician]

However, a common theme of these owners and other pro-ABA forces (including a PM I once received) is that there's this organized campaign on this board that's out to get them.

If there is an organized campaign on this board ... I'm not apart of it.

Although, I do believe a NEW ABA CEO is needed and warranted.

The league needs a LEADER!

[TheStandard]

If there is an organized campaign on this board ... I'm not apart of it.

Although, I do believe a NEW ABA CEO is needed and warranted.

The league needs a LEADER!
Screw a new leader its time to shut this league down and flush those three letters down the toilet

[The Magician]

Any word coming out of Indianapolis today?

It was passed on to me that ...

The ABA meeting was the best one they have ever had.

Lots of positive energy emitting from the teams ...

Interesting new programs and partnerships.

Quad City will play, Rock River will play ... in the ABA.

Flint and Palm Beach are questionable ...

[besl]

It was passed on to me that ...

The ABA meeting was the best one they have ever had.



I'd have to say the bar had been set pretty low on that one.

[The Magician]

I'd have to say the bar had been set pretty low on that one.

I agree ...

It's like what the ABA CEO always likes to say after every ABA meeting ...

"It was the best one ever!"

Yaaaaaaaaaaa right! How many teams ... and counting ... have left the ABA?

[TheStandard]

Close the topic already. The ABA makes all of us involved in basketball sick.

[bomp]

If there is an organized campaign on this board ... I'm not apart of it.

Although, I do believe a NEW ABA CEO is needed and warranted.

The league needs a LEADER!

Amen to that!

[The Magician]

It was passed on to me that ...

The ABA meeting was the best one they have ever had.

Lots of positive energy emitting from the teams ...

Interesting new programs and partnerships.

Quad City will play, Rock River will play ... in the ABA.

Flint and Palm Beach are questionable ...


By listening to the Interview with Brad Hester, VP of Team Opeations, at Friday's owner's meeting ...

57:27 - 1:05:25

http://www.audiosportsonline.net/ABA/AllAccess.htm?abalive

I'm not too sure that the meeting was as GREAT as we might have been led to believe ...

I also received some addt'l info this afternoon that would support the fact that the ABA is not 100% unified.

There is a great deal of distrust of the ABA CEO.

The picture is pretty clear ... The ABA needs a NEW CEO!