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The Magician

08-17-2007, 10:29 PM

This one is my favorite though:

"Of course, nothing is ever for sure ... "

Hey ... It's the ABA!

The First Preview was a disaster ... so it can only improve.

I'm thinking we should let the "schedule sink-in" after it gets released.

And then ... If we see some really crazy discreps ... let's just make some checks against the team websites ... and if things don't jive ... send a "relaxed" e-mail to Brad at the league office letting him know that some of the scheduling seems off.

Let's help them correct it ... as we catch things!

To be honest ... if the ABA is going to play this season ... We need for them to adjust and make corrective actions at the earliest opportunity.

It will help "all of minor league basketball" if we make a generous effort.

Believe me ... I'm not a BIG FAN of the ABA CEO as it relates to managing a basketball association, but we need these owners/teams/organizations to make their best effort possible!

We need to "build up" markets ... not break them down.

tbayz1

08-17-2007, 10:43 PM

I heard also that the schedule is pretty much done, just a few tweeks here and there I guess

Id like to see the league do well, but its going to take alot of hard work and effort and CHANGE!

There was no business for that first schedule to be released, and I do believe that it wasnt Brad's decision, now that he has had the time to re-do it and do it the right way and CHECK it over, it should be alright, im sure we'll find little things lol

The Magician

08-17-2007, 11:00 PM

There was no business for that first schedule to be released, and I do believe that it wasnt Brad's decision ...

right on tbayz ... Brad didn't make that call to release the schedule!

... it should be alright, im sure we'll find little things lol

LOL ... We always do. :infun:

Minor League Man

08-17-2007, 11:15 PM

Two teams previously moved to 2008-09 have been moved back to 2007-08...Arkansas and Kentucky.

The Magician

08-17-2007, 11:41 PM

Two teams previously moved to 2008-09 have been moved back to 2007-08...Arkansas and Kentucky.

this team season-switching activity comes to a halt when the official schedule gets released!

tbayz1

08-18-2007, 03:22 PM

nksports

08-18-2007, 04:11 PM

this team season-switching activity comes to a halt when the official schedule gets released!

In the ABA? Never. The team switching never stops.

Chuck the Writer

08-18-2007, 05:55 PM

The schedule is DONE, it just has not been released or posted yet by the ABA, but there is a few teams that have, I saw Strong Island, Corning, and Jersey have it up

I guess its been done for a few days lol

Teams that do have schedules for the 2007-08 season on their websites are:

Corning (36 games, 18 home, 18 away)
Jersey (36 games, 19 home, 17 road)
Hawaii (31 games, 18 home, 13 road - looks like the same as the original "draft" schedule)
Rochester (35 games, 18 home, 17 road)
Strong Island (36 games, 18 home, 18 road)

Teams with no schedules yet on their sites include:

Anderson Champions - no schedule
Arkansas Fantasticks - no website
Atlanta Vision - no schedule
Boston United Eagles - no schedule
Buffalo Silverbacks - still has 2006 sched
Chicago Throwbacks - "to be announced later this month"
Cicero Cometas - They've got something on their sched page, but unless they're playing Rochester and Rockford, I'm not buying it
Delaware ABA - no sched
Detroit Panthers - sched not yet finalized
Flint Tropics - no website, no nothing
Georgia Gwizzlies - can't find a schedule on that mess of their site
Halifax Rainmen - nice website but no sched
Henderson All-Starz - ticket "locatoins" and schedule coming soon
Houston Takers - no sched on their site, or at least none that I could find
Jacksonville Jam - no sched on their site
Kentucky Retros - no sched
Long Beach Breakers - coming soon
Maywood Buzz - last year's sched
Manchester Millrats - no website, no sched
Mississippi Miracles - no sched yet
Monterrey Veneno - no sched
Montreal Royal - no sched, still lists ABA top five with Maryland, Rochester and Beijing - mon dieu
Orange County Gladiators - no sched
Orlando Aces - no sched yet
Palm Beach Imperials - last year's sched
Peoria Kings - no sched yet
Quad City Riverhawks - last year's sched
Quebec Kebekwa - last year's sched
Reno Sharpshooters - no sched, no webpage
Rock River Fury - information to come
Rome Legions - no schedule
Sacramento Heatwave - last year's sched
San Diego Wildcats - no sched
San Francisco ABA - nothing
St. Louis Stunners - last year's sched
Syracuse Raging Bullz - nothing
Texas Tycoons - nothing
Vermont Frost Heaves - last year's sched
West Texas Whirlwinds - no website
Westchester Phantoms - no website

The Magician

08-18-2007, 09:42 PM

Sound '07-'08 Schedule
08/18/07

Patchogue, NY- The American Basketball Association has released its 2007-08 regular season schedule, which runs from November through March.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3527803

Really ... Did the League release it's schedule?

http://www.abalive.com/schedule/

SCHEDULE

The 2007-2008 schedule is coming soon!

COME ON ABA ...

The League office needs to learn some organizational and management skills!

Get a NEW CEO who knows how to lead and do things the right way!

Just by looking at "Chuck the Writer's" Post ... there's nobody truly in charge of the ABA right now ...

The ABA ..."JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Corning Bulldogs

08-18-2007, 10:45 PM

The Magician

08-18-2007, 11:14 PM

Actually the ABA Schedule went out to owners and it was done very , very well this time. Brad went team by team instead of trying to do a mass schedule all at once.

After the near disaster with the first one I think it is smart the ABA to hold off putting out a "official schedule" for atleast a few more days and let the teams look it over for complications.

You are fine with individual teams releasing their "unofficial" schedules before the league makes an "official" announcement of the release of the 2007-2008 "official" schedule?

Does every team within your Division have their website up & running with an "official" schedule up?

Have they sent out a press release announcing their 2007-2008 "official" schedule?

Did your division get together to ensure that all websites were going to be up & ready and to coordinate the releasing of your official schedules together, in order to maximize your exposure as a division and show solidarity as a league?

Look at the Strong Island Schedule ..

http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=SISTRONG&sport=basketball&t=c&p=home&s=basketball

I see Westchester, who has NO website (?), is on their schedule.

I see Delaware, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Boston, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Halifax, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Buffalo, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Syracuse, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Montreal, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see the Virginia Ballerz, who are not even on the ABA Current Teams list (?), is on their schedule.

Corning and Jersey are the only two teams on Strong Island's entire schedule that have schedules up on their websites ...

Why would you release your schedule, when your division and/or the teams you are scheduled to play do not even have their websites functioning & updated?

That's not showing to much credibility to the fans, to the community and to your sponsors!

If I was a sports writer ... I'd not give you the time of day.

How is any reporter going to write an in-depth piece ... When he goes to research the teams on your schedule on the web, and there's nothing there to find?

And I can't believe it's the Strong Island organization making this mistake.

Plus, they even have a member of their own organization on the ABA Executive Board!

What's up? No offense to the VP of Team Operations ... He's been working very hard.

But who's NOT making the right decisions here?

Someone or some group of people ... are missing the BIG PICTURE!

ABA VP of Team Operations gets an "A" for effort!

ABA CEO gets an "F" for failing to take the initiative to properly manage a Minor League Sports Organization.

He has no idea of what's going on within his own league ...

I believe he's more interested in checking items off his SEC to do list. Not that, it will really change anything ...

Chuck the Writer

08-19-2007, 05:28 AM

a1sports

08-19-2007, 08:05 AM

If I was the Operations guy (Brad) I would WAIT, this is the ABA and in my opinion no schedule should come out untill 3 days to start of season. This isnt good for sponsors etc etc but when I call teams some do not answer the phone or it says disconnected. Take that into aaccount before making a schedule.Also there are still teams debating IF the have the money to play and there are some teams that are debating if they should play in the ABA.
So...based on ABA history, this schedule shall change again,,,,and again.

Grades:

CEO F

VP Operations: F, you dont grade on efort you grade on results. Because Brad shouldnt take the word of Joe that teamm X is good to go, Brad should call team X and see for himself and I can tell you ...he hasnt call all the teams about the schedule.

CFO F: Cant use public funds to defend private law suits. shame on you

ABA league credibility: F and those in sports reporting know this !

one way

08-19-2007, 09:47 AM

I just got back from playing in my sunday league. I had thirty. It was awesome. As I lookd around the general area of the basketball court, I saw some guys waiting to get on, some people running around the track, some kids watching their dads play- I counted about 75. I then can home and read the article on the Quad City ABA team and read how they played in front of double digit crowds. I felt, for the first time, I was an official ABA teammate. Before I just read and wrote about it. Now I have lived it. Joe, can you give me a team and put us on your scheudule? Just give us sunday home games. Thanks

Paul S

08-19-2007, 10:11 AM

The sad thing is if the Boston Celtics are goint to play the Chicago Bulls I look at the Celtics website, see the game time, buy the tix online I go. WHat I don't do is go to the Chicago Bulls website double check they have a sked up and see if it matchs, then go to nba.com and triple check that yes both team sites are correct.

Now in this outfit I will. I will go to the Boston United sked to see when a game is. Go to the Chicago Throw(ing away backs)Backs site and see if it matches, I figure its a 50-50 shot, then the abalive site where I see if its on the master sked, then to OSC to see if either team has folded, then back to the Boston United site to see tix prices, get 15 bucks out of my wallet and go to the game, if I see the arena (ok actually HS gym or 2nd class airplane hanger) is actually open, then up to the door and peer in, yes it looks like there are some rather tall guys shooting hoops, enquire with the man at the door of the HS gym if there is actually an ABA game here between Boston United and Chicago Throw(ing away backs)Backs. Finally to hedge my bets and asuage all fears I prowl around the (emptish) parking lot to see if I can find a couple of banged up white vans or SUV's with Illinois plates just to be sure the team actually made it.

Now lets say I see Quebec plates on the banged up dilapidated vans and not Illinois plates, well I figure the Chicago Throw(ing away backs)Backs threw away all their money and aren't coming back, but I also have a 10 percent chance of seeing Montreal, a 10 percent chance of seeing Quebec and a 80 percent chance of seeing some bunch of locals who have never been to Chicago, Quebec or Montreal in their life wearing a uniform that says "Dicks sporting goods"..................

My point is ........... I trust the NBA to have a game, and the ABA......... well lets just say I'm gonna keep prowling around the parking lots.

The Magician

08-19-2007, 11:07 AM

VP Operations: F, you dont grade on effort, you grade on results. Because Brad shouldn't take the word of Joe that team X is good to go, Brad should call team X and see for himself and I can tell you ... he hasn't call all the teams about the schedule.

There are times when some outside support is beneficial to help a fellow human being get through the challenges that they face.

So let's give the VP of Team Ops a little credit for his effort regarding the schedule.

It's unfortunate that the ABA has a current individual in the position of CEO who continually makes premature and corporate autocratic decisions which have caused unfavorable criticism toward those associates around him and for the league that he is supposed to serve.

Again, until the ABA gets a NEW CEO ... It will remain a substandard minor league basketball association!

And a reason for not having called all the teams about the schedules ... The scheduling process and validation is still ongoing. The ABA schedule, being reported by an ABA team, as completed, is inaccurate info. Some individual team and select divisional schedules might be completed, but the overall league schedule is not!

Fells

08-19-2007, 11:44 AM

The Magician

08-19-2007, 12:18 PM

We play the Vermont Frostheaves at home on Sunday November 25th @ 3:00pm , I think we will blow them out of the water.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

has been playing a little too much of the ABA Virtual Reality Fantasy Game :infun:

Corning Bulldogs

08-19-2007, 05:46 PM

Will we blow them out of the water ?

At this point no one really knows but the whole point of the post I made was trying to get people to actually talk about two teams playing basketball.

After all shouldnt this all be out basketball and not attacking people in childish ways such as mocking the ABA officials in distorted versions of 99 bottles of beer on the wall songs ?

Every now and then it would be nice to come on here and talk about basketball.

Just a thought....

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

The Magician

08-19-2007, 06:12 PM

Every now and then it would be nice to come on here and talk about basketball.

Just a thought....

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

Actually, We could talk about a whole lot of ABA basketball ...

When there are conferences, divisions, certified teams, schedules, venue lease agreements, team rosters, websites, etc ...

The ABA doesn't have that yet ... so there's not much to talk about!

As a league, the job needs to get done first ... and then we may be more open to talk about it!

Corning Bulldogs

08-19-2007, 06:25 PM

Every team is responsible for them selves.

All we can do is strive to make the Corning Bulldogs the role models of the ABA and hope others pay close attention and follow suit.

We have had an updated website since October 9th 2006 and we have not even played a game yet !

We have had a venue lease signed for 8 months now.

We have sold 118 season tickets and have reservations for over 100 more.

We now have 11 players signed to contracts for the 2007-2008 season.

AND WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN PRACTICING !

Find me one team that is half way to that point and I will shake your hand. The point is , every team should be close to being at the stage we our at.

I can not run thier organazation but each individual owner can step up and do the same.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

one way

08-19-2007, 06:28 PM

After checking out Corning's roster, I cannot understand how anyone who knows anything about minor league basketball and minor league players thinks that this is a solid roster. People listen- if you have players who only played ball in junior college, Ireland, NAIA, you have a group of very untalented players. They stink. They might be great guys, but people who know what is what know that on basketball talent alone, this group is bad.

The Magician

08-19-2007, 06:35 PM

Find me one team that is half way to that point and I will shake your hand. The point is , every team should be close to being at the stage we our at.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

Your organization should be commended for doing a fine job in getting prepared for the upcoming season. :)

Corning Bulldogs

08-19-2007, 06:38 PM

Will Campbell - 6'8 275 lbs - All Conference USA out of NCAA D-1 UAB - scored 31 points against Marquette's final 4 team with D-Wade. Worked out twice for NBA teams before averaging 17 a game in France.

Al Stewart - PG out of NCAA D-1 Drake University , has had several NBA workouts already, holds the schools single season assist school record and was named to the Missouri Valley All Newcomer team.

Cliff Washington - SG out of NCAA D-1 Arkansas Pine Bluff who has a 50 inch vertical leap averaged 20 a game in D-1, and spent last year playing for the Tijuana Dragones in the ABA averaged 17pts 7 rebounds and 5 assists

David Ruffin - NCAA D1 starter just like the other 3 players above , played for Hartford University where he started both years, prior to that he was a JUCO all-american. He played in the ABA last year and was Buffalos Spark plug off the bench and only came off the bench because Buffalo had Sims and Castile two of the best guards in the league.

Bad Players ? They would be great players.

As far as the rest of the team any one would be lucky to have role players like we have to put around those guys.

Look deeper before you evaluate because you dropped the ball on that one.

Corning Bulldogs

08-19-2007, 06:41 PM

Magician ,

Thank you very much and I can tell that you really do want to see the ABA do well and I understand that you want to see some changes.

I take a great deal of pride in running my team and staying atleast 3 steps ahead of everyone else at all times, thank your for taking notice.

If you ever want to PM me and talk about some basketball feel free, I love the game.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

one way

08-19-2007, 07:06 PM

No I really do not think so. Let me educate you. Many, many, many players get NBA workouts. That really does not mean a thing. Some NBA clubs even have local mini camps where they give local guys a chance to run the floor with the hopes of making a summer league spot. It is a pr stunt. Also, I hardly consider Drake University to be a basketball powerhouse that produces a wealth of NBA talent. Low mid major at best. And please do not compare your guards to other ABA guards, that is comparing them to other equally bad players. Lamar Castille? Come on. Aside from WBA (which has it's doubters as well) he has never played anywhere or do anything except on the ABA level. You really need to hire someone who knows and undertands how to evaluate basketball talent before you make claims on great your team is.

Corning Bulldogs

08-19-2007, 07:10 PM

Yes you must be right .....

4 NCAA D-1 Starters on one ABA team , where on earth did we go wrong.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

bomp

08-19-2007, 07:41 PM

one way

08-19-2007, 07:51 PM

let me educate you some more. Just because you played at a D1 school does not make you a solid NBA prospect. Bectond where are you? Maryland, Duke, North Carolina, Stanford are solid basketball schools that produces solid basketball talent. Ever heard of the NCAA Post Sseason Tournament? Drake, Arkansas Pine Bluff? Come on. Powerfull D1 schools, middle of the road D1 schools and lower level D1 schools. Just because you were the starting guard at Alcorn State or American University or some small D1 in California does not make you a good baseketball player. Again, as the old saying goes; it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Corning Bulldogs

08-19-2007, 08:24 PM

Let me educate you a little on basketball seeing as how you seem to know little about it.

Every player who plays NCAA D-1 Basketball on a scholarship and has the chance to go to college for free in exchange for playing basketball is a good player. Does that make them a great player ? No

I can count more guys from mid major NCAA D-1 Schools in the NBA then players from Duke in the NBA. At that level it is not where you play but how you play.

That being said , Will Campbell the 6'8 275 guy out of UAB played at UAB in Conference USA when they still had Louisville, Cincinatti, Marquette. That was a quality conference with quality schools at that time and he was All Conference USA both years he played at UAB because he was better then the players at those other schools at that time.

I know this is hard for you to understand but you can think about it a little more out in your driveway shooting hoops thinking about how great life would be if you were not the last cutt from you high school basketball team.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

one way

08-19-2007, 08:34 PM

wow- good luck to you. You just do not have a clue. But again judging from the rest of the teams in your conference and your league, I am sure that a kid from a junior college will do very well. It really is apples and oranges. Terrible players playing against other terrible players on a high school basketball court. No matter how many times a say that the sky is blue, you will say that it is cloudy outside. Let me give you another scoop, with the lack of quality big men in the world today, any player that is worth anything is still looking to go across the water. NBDL no signings, CBA no signings. Why, because good players are still exploring overseas options and working on some vets camp invites. Corning Bulldogs are practicing. What does that tell you.

a1sports

08-19-2007, 09:05 PM

Since we cant compare what Corning has to any current ABA team...lets take cornings current roster and match it up with last years ABA teams....

your line up at best is C-, win 14 lose 16 6 games cancelled
Your line up would have NO chance aganist Rochester or Arkansas, maybe beat Vermont once, the rest of the time you would have to play Cape Cod for your wins.

As compared to the CBA and NBDL...sorry Kid no comparrison, wishful thinking on your part that you have some grade A competetive talent on your roster...in the rec league called the ABA yea sure..in pro basketball like CBA and NBDL,no way..

But dont worry kid...if you have an ABA season you will be in the great 8 and have a good chance of the title..why?not because of your roster because Joe likes you.....its the ABA way !!!

besl

08-19-2007, 09:41 PM

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

Is it really such a good idea to put your link in all your messages when your website looks like crap? As a web designer, seeing a webpage like that for a business, let alone a pro sports team, makes we want to puke.

If you want to be considered a pro team you really ought to spend the $500 or so and get a good looking website, or do what I did and learn how to do it yourself.

As it stand right now, your game with Houston can be dubbed "Battle of the Worst Websites".

Corning Bulldogs

08-19-2007, 11:08 PM

Easy Bellingham Slam,

I would worry more about the product you put on the court last year rather then other teams websites.

Last time I checked when you came over to the east coast Vermont beat you like you stole something.

You were mediocre to poor on the west coast of the ABA , enough said.

If you want to come to the east coast and only lose by 20 let me know and I can round up my old highschool team.

besl

08-20-2007, 12:12 AM

I would worry more about the product you put on the court last year rather then other teams websites.

Last time I checked when you came over to the east coast Vermont beat you like you stole something.

You were mediocre to poor on the west coast of the ABA , enough said.

If you want to come to the east coast and only lose by 20 let me know and I can round up my old highschool team.

Actually, by all accounts, all three games between Bellingham and Vermont were very competitive. I am sure that Fells or The Sweeper can confirm that. Also, if I recall, the Bellingham/Vermont playoff game was the most competitive of all of Vermont's playoff games.

Frankly, the ABA was lucky to even have a team like Bellingham that could afford to travel to the Northeast. The team was actually a victim of its own success of sorts, as the only reason they paired Bellingham up with Vermont in the playoffs is because the Frost Heaves needed to have an opponent that was guaranteed to show up.

Anyhow, my original point about the website is that no matter what kind of team you put together, your website is often the first impression people will get about your team, and if it isn't done professionally, they aren't going to take you seriously as a option when they are looking for entertainment.

If all you are interested in doing is putting together a group of guys to win some games, great. But if you want to build a strong franchise, you and many, many other teams need to do better.

Corning Bulldogs

08-20-2007, 12:41 AM

No need to brag to me about your willingness to travel.

Check the Corning Bulldogs Schedule, in December we will be playing the Jacksonville Jam and the Orlando Aces in Florida. That was our choice not the ABA's.

In addition we decided to make a week long trip out of it and fork up the dough to give all the players an expensive vacaction in Florida for a week during the winter. Were talking beaches, disney world , the whole 9 yards.

Florida trip when all is said and done will cost around $15,000.

The reason we have the D-1 talent that we have is because we our willing to spend $ to make sure the players have a great experience when they play for the Corning Bulldogs.

Fells

08-20-2007, 06:00 AM

Actually, by all accounts, all three games between Bellingham and Vermont were very competitive. I am sure that Fells or The Sweeper can confirm that. Also, if I recall, the Bellingham/Vermont playoff game was the most competitive of all of Vermont's playoff games.

Frankly, the ABA was lucky to even have a team like Bellingham that could afford to travel to the Northeast. The team was actually a victim of its own success of sorts, as the only reason they paired Bellingham up with Vermont in the playoffs is because the Frost Heaves needed to have an opponent that was guaranteed to show up.

Anyhow, my original point about the website is that no matter what kind of team you put together, your website is often the first impression people will get about your team, and if it isn't done professionally, they aren't going to take you seriously as a option when they are looking for entertainment.

If all you are interested in doing is putting together a group of guys to win some games, great. But if you want to build a strong franchise, you and many, many other teams need to do better.

I can attest to the fact that the Bellingham/Vermont games were VERY competitive. The playoff game was by far and away the most competitive out of the three games. Trust me, I know, I was running the shot clock.

a1sports

08-20-2007, 06:40 AM

Dont schedule those games so fast Corning kid, you may be down there playing beach volleyball aganist the remaining former team members, which is OK, Joe will count that as a basketball win.

Wait and see what happens with:

Orlando
Jacksonville
Rock City
Quad City
Buffalo

youll do well aganist New Hampshire, Syracuse and Jersey when you play them 26 times

Seems you forget that your in the ABA

rider

08-20-2007, 09:02 AM

Concertively at least 15 -20 teams are far from certain from playing this season.They have no realistic signs of having the ability to move forward.

one way

08-20-2007, 09:10 AM

I cannot believe this Corning guy. This is an owner! This guy truely lives in a dreamworld. Joe Neuman is a genius. He keeps finding these guys, getting their money and they continually get hit in the head by a board and come back and ask for more. Bragging on a message board about going to Disney world with his team. Well that's what I did in AAU and seeing as how half your team is not thta far removed from that, your actions are understandable. No other league owner is on the boards CBA or NBDL, hint. No other owner I have seen acts this way, hint. I wish I was A1, I would love to go to these meetings and sit and watch and listen. What a league

Corning Bulldogs

08-20-2007, 09:28 AM

One Way,

You were the poster who was under the impression that only good basketball players came from Duke. Duke has send dozens and dozens of players into the NBA and most of them get exposed as being "softer then sharman" once they get into the NBA.

Like I said it is easy to name far more players from mid-major NCAA D-1 Schools in the NBA then it is to name players from Duke.

You should have to have a certain basketball IQ inorder to come on to a basketball chat room. I do not even mean that in a bad way , just a refresher on what this game is about so you can realize that star players from mid-major NCAA D-1 schools are good players.

You can even make a strong case for D-2 players as being good players , anyone who recieves a $160,000 4 year college education in exchange for playing the game of basketball for a college would then be in my mind a "good basketball player"

Chuck the Writer

08-20-2007, 09:49 AM

One Way,

You were the poster who was under the impression that only good basketball players came from Duke. Duke has send dozens and dozens of players into the NBA and most of them get exposed as being "softer then sharman" once they get into the NBA.

I don't recall Bill Sharman being a "soft player." He was a very tough NBA veteran and Hall of Famer.

Like I said it is easy to name far more players from mid-major NCAA D-1 Schools in the NBA then it is to name players from Duke.

Logical fallacy. It's like comparing all cars ever made against a specific Toyota brand.

You should have to have a certain basketball IQ inorder to come on to a basketball chat room.

So how did you get in here? Oh yeah, I forgot - you posted under some spurious nicknames like ABA06er and Corning Tax Payer, then blamed your actions on some neighborhood kid or your brother. Yeah... right...

I do not even mean that in a bad way , just a refresher on what this game is about so you can realize that star players from mid-major NCAA D-1 schools are good players.

It's not whether the players from mid-major D1 schools are better or not. Many of these players are exposed the minute they play in their first NCAA Div 1 tournament and get smoked in the first round by 30 points or more, or they're relegated to the SWAC/MEAC "play-in" game.

Perfect example of what I'm talking about - we have two colleges in this area that play Div I basketball, Albany (America East) and Siena (MAAC). Have the games between Albany and Vermont, or Siena and Manhattan, been barn-burning rip-roaring exciting matchups? Sure they have. But if you watch the early season matchups, you know these squads are used as warm-up competitions for Syracuse or UConn. Maybe there's a diamond in the rough that can play competitive professional basketball - but you're not going to see a Taylor Coppenrath or a Jamar Wilson or Doremus Bennerman dominating the NBA - or even operating on a utility level. Many of these guys will play in either the D-League, the CBA or in Europe. And those who can't - well, then the ABA can have what's left over, if they can't find a better job selling shoes, fixing cars or operating the fryolator at Chick-Fil-A.

You can even make a strong case for D-2 players as being good players , anyone who recieves a $160,000 4 year college education in exchange for playing the game of basketball for a college would then be in my mind a "good basketball player"

Another logical fallacy. Just because a kid receives a scholarship doesn't mean he's the next Michael Jordan. That's like saying if you pay somebody more money, they'll be a better player - by that logic, Alex Rodriguez should be the best baseball player of all time.

But hey, you can talk all the smack you want for now. We'll just remember all these quotes when the Bulldogs are hemorrhaging money and worrying about finishing the season, and all those vaunted players you have in your training camp are in the D-League or the CBA or in Europe, leaving without having to pay the Bulldogs one wooden nickel.

rider

08-20-2007, 09:51 AM

I would have thought you would have learned your lesson by now! No credible owner is going to be on the board debating the merits of his teams strength or weakness. You (assuming that its you)are hurting your organizations credibility every time you open your mouth by responding. focus on rasing more capital so you can stay alive , cause your declared $250,000 won't cut it.

one way

08-20-2007, 10:07 AM

I said Duke, North Carolina, Stanford, etc. Not just Duke. The top players go to those schools. PLay in national tournament, play on national tv. etc. Then if players are not recruited by those teams, the Louisvilles, the Kentucky's, the Gonzaga's, then they go to to next level. The Depaul's, the Central Michigan's. the Creighton's. etc. If those guys do not recruit you, then you go to wherever D1 will take you. Northwestern University is a prestigious school, but I would not want players from there because they are not as good as players from North Carolina. Then you go the D2 route. That is usually how it happens. Granted, some guys do slip through the cracks, but as a whole- this is what happens. Kind of like what happens in pro basketball. Guys want to go to the NBA, if that does not work out then they try to go overseas, if that does not work out then they go to the NBDL and CBA and if that does not work out, then they go to the ABA. That is why no NBDL or CBA teams have signed anyone- peckingt order. That is why Minnifield left the ABA last year mid stream and went up to the CBA in Pittsburg. That is why players leave the CBA or the NBDL and go overseas or up to the NBA. Pecking order. Get a clue. Any player that signs now with an ABA club is not worth anything on the minor league basketball market

panchess

08-20-2007, 11:15 AM

..because there are very few jobs in the NBA (maybe 150 turnover a year), and a lot of competition for them.

I grew up in Syracuse and live near Albany now. Everybody in Syracuse thought Gerry McNamara was going to go pro, come out early and so on.

He's in the D-League.

TheStandard

08-20-2007, 12:02 PM

And not all Division 1 players get athletic schollarships. See the Patriot League and the Ivy League

rams80

08-20-2007, 02:48 PM

You are fine with individual teams releasing their "unofficial" schedules before the league makes an "official" announcement of the release of the 2007-2008 "official" schedule?

Does every team within your Division have their website up & running with an "official" schedule up?

Have they sent out a press release announcing their 2007-2008 "official" schedule?

Did your division get together to ensure that all websites were going to be up & ready and to coordinate the releasing of your official schedules together, in order to maximize your exposure as a division and show solidarity as a league?

Look at the Strong Island Schedule ..

http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=SISTRONG&sport=basketball&t=c&p=home&s=basketball

I see Westchester, who has NO website (?), is on their schedule.

I see Delaware, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Boston, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Halifax, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Buffalo, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Syracuse, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see Montreal, who has NO schedule of their own listed on their site (?), is on their schedule.

I see the Virginia Ballerz, who are not even on the ABA Current Teams list (?), is on their schedule.

Corning and Jersey are the only two teams on Strong Island's entire schedule that have schedules up on their websites ...

Why would you release your schedule, when your division and/or the teams you are scheduled to play do not even have their websites functioning & updated?

That's not showing to much credibility to the fans, to the community and to your sponsors!

If I was a sports writer ... I'd not give you the time of day.

How is any reporter going to write an in-depth piece ... When he goes to research the teams on your schedule on the web, and there's nothing there to find?

And I can't believe it's the Strong Island organization making this mistake.

Plus, they even have a member of their own organization on the ABA Executive Board!

What's up? No offense to the VP of Team Operations ... He's been working very hard.

But who's NOT making the right decisions here?

Someone or some group of people ... are missing the BIG PICTURE!

ABA VP of Team Operations gets an "A" for effort!

ABA CEO gets an "F" for failing to take the initiative to properly manage a Minor League Sports Organization.

He has no idea of what's going on within his own league ...

I believe he's more interested in checking items off his SEC to do list. Not that, it will really change anything ...

I'll just mention that the NIFL also had teams release individual schedules in advance....draw your own conclusion.

rams80

08-20-2007, 02:58 PM

Will Campbell - 6'8 275 lbs - All Conference USA out of NCAA D-1 UAB - scored 31 points against Marquette's final 4 team with D-Wade. Worked out twice for NBA teams before averaging 17 a game in France.

I'll give you that this guy looks decent. Which means he will bolt town for the D-League or Europe in November.

Al Stewart - PG out of NCAA D-1 Drake University , has had several NBA workouts already, holds the schools single season assist school record and was named to the Missouri Valley All Newcomer team.

It's a toss-up as to whether Drake or Evansville is the most consistently horrible team in the Missouri Valley. Not impressive, especially since he appears to have done nothing after being a newcomer.

Cliff Washington - SG out of NCAA D-1 Arkansas Pine Bluff who has a 50 inch vertical leap averaged 20 a game in D-1, and spent last year playing for the Tijuana Dragones in the ABA averaged 17pts 7 rebounds and 5 assists

Isn't Pine Bluff one of the worst programs in D-1?

David Ruffin - NCAA D1 starter just like the other 3 players above , played for Hartford University where he started both years, prior to that he was a JUCO all-american. He played in the ABA last year and was Buffalos Spark plug off the bench and only came off the bench because Buffalo had Sims and Castile two of the best guards in the league.

Ditto on Hartford...and you just admitted that he is, at best, the 3rd best guy at his position in the league.

rams80

08-20-2007, 03:02 PM

rams80

08-20-2007, 03:08 PM

Every team is responsible for them selves.

Ummm....no. If a team goes belly up midseason, every team looks bad. The job of a league and its member teams is to provide support to all teams.

All we can do is strive to make the Corning Bulldogs the role models of the ABA and hope others pay close attention and follow suit.

Wake me when that actually works.

We have had an updated website since October 9th 2006 and we have not even played a game yet !

When was the last update?

We have had a venue lease signed for 8 months now.

How hard is that when your landlord is a high school?

We have sold 118 season tickets and have reservations for over 100 more.

So low triple-digit attendance as opposed to double digit attendance. Yup...that will pay for Florida.

We now have 11 players signed to contracts for the 2007-2008 season.

AND WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN PRACTICING !

Minor applause

Find me one team that is half way to that point and I will shake your hand. The point is , every team should be close to being at the stage we our at.

I can not run thier organazation but each individual owner can step up and do the same.

Witty response deleted for defeatism.

utahstarsticketholder

08-20-2007, 04:49 PM

concerned Corning....If you have no teams to play then how do you make the sponsor, fans and players happy? The problem is this in a nut shell, no due diligence by the "league" to avoid the folding-suspension-left in the middle of the night teams. The "league" will leave you high and dry now that the check has cleared. Hoping I am wrong but it happen here in Salt Lake and will be repeated again and again. Nothing has changed in the past year to change my mind. So Joe were is my refund.....just kidding I know were that money went ...can you say egg mcmuffin?
Remember our troops, jack and cheryl.
Announcing the Salt Lake Dream! Affordable fast family entertainment!

The Magician

08-20-2007, 06:11 PM

Ask the CEO
08/20/07

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3528804

Question from Byron M (and others):

"When will the ABA schedule be published?"

Answer: Byron and others. Thanks for the email and the interest in the ABA. There's nothing we like more than getting emails from around the country asking when the schedules will be out. Hopefully, that means you are interested in attending games.

All of the teams now have their "advanced" schedules. They are checking with their venues to make sure that the dates are available. In some cases, teams are tweaking their schedules to include inter-divisional play with teams from the north going south and vice versa, teams from the east going west and vice versa.

We do have a League Meeting coming up on August 24th and hopefully all of the tweaking can be completed at the meeting and we can post the schedule early next week.

All of the teams have started their season ticket sales, group ticket sales, and individual game ticket sales.

And once again, tickets for ABA games will be very affordably priced in the $5-$10-$15 range. A great evenings sports and entertainment at a very good price.

Visit the various teams' websites for details about their ticket sales. Some of the teams have already posted or announced their schedule.

Again, your interest is appreciated. If you have a question, email Joe Newman at conniejoenewman@aol.com.

Now ... that's an untrue statement!

Interesting ... Visit the various team's websites.

Why not visit all the teams' websites?

O'yeah ... That's right, not every team has a website.

Scratching my head ... But how can teams be selling tickets when they don't have a website?

Surely, not every ABA team has been marketing on the tv, radio, newspaper and in magazines ...

Again ... How is every team in the ABA selling tickets right now :confused:

Nothing is ever going to change with this ABA CEO, that's for sure!

boing

08-21-2007, 01:24 PM

Well, now they have to tear up what they've made of the schedule. As of today, Henderson, Kentucky and Peoria are now listed as '08 teams. Including Tucson, the ABA is now down to 44 teams.

ABA06err

08-21-2007, 01:56 PM

A great evenings sports and entertainment at a very good price. Thats very true. No crowds to fight through, plenty of parking for the 6 cars in the lot, and you may even end up being asked to play when the other team doesn't show up.

6 cans of octopus in oil for $1.09 at the grocery store is a great deal also. But much like the ABA, who wants to spend money on stinking crap?

rams80

08-21-2007, 03:24 PM

The Magician

08-21-2007, 05:47 PM

Well, now they have to tear up what they've made of the schedule. As of today, Henderson, Kentucky and Peoria are now listed as '08 teams. Including Tucson, the ABA is now down to 44 teams.

What's it going to be?

An ownership group says ...

"I'm in the league today, but I'll be out tomorrow ..."

"Then I'll be in the next day, but out the following day ..."

"It's Friday ... Oh, I'll wait till Monday or Tuesday to decide what I want to do next."

Who's the CEO of this league?

Where's the leadership and management of this league?

Great precedent He has set for the league!

Paul S

08-21-2007, 07:02 PM

Check the Corning Bulldogs Schedule, in December we will be playing the Jacksonville Jam and the Orlando Aces in Florida. That was our choice not the ABA's.

In addition we decided to make a week long trip out of it and fork up the dough to give all the players an expensive vacaction in Florida for a week during the winter. Were talking beaches, disney world , the whole 9 yards.

Corning, I've been around athletes for many years. I'll be honest with you. 100 percent honest. They don't want disney world. They want to go to the beaches to look at bikini's, then to a strip club and then to a night club wearing team garb so they can pick up. The next day they want to go to the beaches to look at bikini's, then to a strip club and then to a night club wearing team garb so they can pick up. Throw in hooters for dinner and thats an athletes' dream vacation.

By the way, operating under the assumption that Orlando or Jacksonville will be playing is kind of like operating under the assumption that ........... well .. boy I don't know...... its actually sui generis. There is no parallel you can draw that quite sums up the insanity of it.

Good luck. You seem like a good guy and an good promoter of your business.

Chuck the Writer

08-22-2007, 10:10 AM

As of August 22, 2007, here's where we stand regarding team schedules:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES:

Corning Bulldogs, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Rochester Fire, Strong Island Sound

TEAMS WITH 2006-07 SCHEDULES STILL ON THEIR WEBSITES:

Buffalo Silverbacks, Maywood Buzz, Palm Beach Imperials, Quad City Riverhawks, Quebec Kebekwa, Sacramento Heatwave, St. Louis Stunners, Vermont Frost Heaves

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES:

Anderson Champions, Atlanta Vision, Boston United Eagles, Chicago Throwbacks, Cicero Cometas, Delaware ABA, Georgia Gwizzlies, Halifax Rainmen, Houston Takers, Jacksonville Jam, Long Beach Breakers, Mississippi Miracles, Monterrey Veneno, Montreal Royal, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Rock River Fury, Rome Legions, San Diego Wildcats, San Francisco ABA, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO WEBSITE

Arkansas Fantasticks, Manchester Millrats, Reno Sharpshooters, West Texas Whirlwinds, Westchester Phantoms

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Peoria Kings

TEAMS STILL LISTED AS 2007-08 SEASON

Beijing Aoshen Olympian, Tijuana Dragones

panchess

08-22-2007, 11:37 AM

..that is a plus. Let's not always bury the guy.

Having said that, a Florida trip in the winter is a good idea, if the team can pay for it.

Corning does not appear to have a deep-pockets owner (like somebody that can write a $100,000 check and not think twice), so if the team starts bleeding cash, it will be tough.

Their home is Corning Community College, not a high school.

The Magician

08-25-2007, 08:01 PM

Word is ... The ABA schedule is getting closer to being completed.

Word from the ABA VP of Team Operations, as of the interview that took place during the ABA meeting in Indianapolis on Friday, was that that there will be 45 teams playing this season ...

How come the ABA active teams list only has 43 teams?
http://www.abalive.com/teams/

Did I also mention that he stated he expects to lose teams during the season ... :eek:

Chuck the Writer

08-27-2007, 10:19 AM

As of August 27, 2007, here's where we stand regarding team schedules:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (5 1/2):

Corning Bulldogs, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Rochester Fire (must be updated, still has games with Rock River and Quad Cities on sched), Strong Island Sound

TEAMS WITH 2006-07 SCHEDULES STILL ON THEIR WEBSITES: (7)

Buffalo Silverbacks, Maywood Buzz, Palm Beach Imperials, Quebec Kebekwa, Sacramento Heatwave, St. Louis Stunners, Vermont Frost Heaves

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (20)

Anderson Champions, Atlanta Vision, Boston United Eagles, Chicago Throwbacks, Cicero Cometas, Delaware ABA, Georgia Gwizzlies, Houston Takers, Jacksonville Jam, Long Beach Breakers, Mississippi Miracles, Monterrey Veneno, Montreal Royal, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Rome Legions, San Diego Wildcats, San Francisco ABA, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO WEBSITE (5)

Arkansas Fantasticks, Manchester Millrats, Reno Sharpshooters, West Texas Whirlwinds, Westchester Phantoms

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Peoria Kings, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

TEAMS STILL LISTED AS 2007-08 SEASON:

Beijing Aoshen Olympian, Tijuana Dragones

Paul S

08-27-2007, 11:26 AM

Just as an aside..........where is San Francisco on the ABA site? They announced a team, we had a forum and normally even the most mediocre release will get a team a spot on OSC. We have nothing about the SF ABA team.

boing

08-27-2007, 11:58 AM

There's also the announced, but never on the list Tucson team. With Quad Cities and Rock River gone, the ABA is at 42 teams and decreasing. They started last season with 51 teams.
Also, looking at Hawaii's scedule, there are no games scheduled against Beijing and Tijuana, meaning they may also be gone, but there are games that need to be rescheduled against Henderson, which is listed as an '08 team now.

The Magician

08-27-2007, 06:16 PM

Also, looking at Hawaii's scedule, there are no games scheduled against Beijing and Tijuana, meaning they may also be gone ...

That Beijing is leaving the ABA and trying to get back into the Chinese Basketball Association (CBA) ... and if that doesn’t happen ... they will play in the league in Qatar. It appears the head coach has ties in the middle east.

TheStandard

08-27-2007, 06:35 PM

they will fare better in timbuktu than in the ABA

bomp

08-28-2007, 02:20 AM

Did I also mention that he stated he expects to lose teams during the season ... :eek:

Gluesniffer or The Liar....what kind of league starts a season thinking that teams will fold? What a joke!

Chuck the Writer

08-29-2007, 08:11 PM

As of August 30, 2007, here's where we stand regarding team schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (6 1/2):

Corning Bulldogs, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Manchester Millrats, Rochester Fire (must be updated, still has games with Rock River and Quad Cities on sched), Strong Island Sound

TEAMS WITH 2006-07 SCHEDULES STILL ON THEIR WEBSITES: (7)

Buffalo Silverbacks, Maywood Buzz, Palm Beach Imperials, Quebec Kebekwa, Sacramento Heatwave, St. Louis Stunners, Vermont Frost Heaves

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (20)

Anderson Champions, Atlanta Vision, Boston United Eagles, Chicago Throwbacks, Cicero Cometas, Delaware ABA, Georgia Gwizzlies, Houston Takers, Jacksonville Jam, Long Beach Breakers, Mississippi Miracles, Monterrey Veneno, Montreal Royal, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Rome Legions, San Diego Wildcats, San Francisco ABA, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO WEBSITE (4)

Arkansas Fantasticks, Reno Sharpshooters, West Texas Whirlwinds, Westchester Phantoms

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Peoria Kings, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

TEAMS STILL LISTED AS 2007-08 SEASON:

Beijing Aoshen Olympian, Tijuana Dragones

tbayz1

08-29-2007, 09:30 PM

Chuck, you forgot the Detroit Panthers, that would make 21 teams with no schedule on their website

ABARedWhiteBlue

08-29-2007, 10:08 PM

Why should the majority of teams be any different than the league office? No way in h*ll they have a set schedule yet either...

The more things change...

nksports

08-30-2007, 12:54 AM

Why should the majority of teams be any different than the league office? No way in h*ll they have a set schedule yet either...

The more things change...

And these are guys who stated in a lawsuit that their expertise has built the premier league in minor league basketball.

Chuck the Writer

08-30-2007, 09:32 AM

NOTES - The Arkansas Fantasticks are off the 2007-08 schedule; Peoria Kings are back ON the 2007-08 schedule. I've moved Beijing and Tijuana back to the current list, because they haven't been taken off the ABA "current teams" website yet, so who knows with those teams. Of the seven teams that actually HAVE a schedule on their site, five of them are Northeast teams (Hawaii and Rochester are the others).

So as of August 30, 2007, here's where we stand regarding team schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (6 1/2):

Corning Bulldogs, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Manchester Millrats, Rochester Fire (must be updated, still has games with Rock River and Quad Cities on sched), Strong Island Sound

TEAMS WITH 2006-07 SCHEDULES STILL ON THEIR WEBSITES: (7)

Buffalo Silverbacks, Maywood Buzz, Palm Beach Imperials, Quebec Kebekwa, Sacramento Heatwave, St. Louis Stunners, Vermont Frost Heaves

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (24)

Anderson Champions, Atlanta Vision, Beijing Aoshen Olympian, Boston United Eagles, Chicago Throwbacks, Cicero Cometas, Delaware ABA, Detroit Panthers, Georgia Gwizzlies, Houston Takers, Jacksonville Jam, Long Beach Breakers, Mississippi Miracles, Monterrey Veneno, Montreal Royal, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Peoria Kings, Reno Sharpshooters, Rome Legions, San Diego Wildcats, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons, Tijuana Dragones

TEAMS WITH NO WEBSITE (3)

San Francisco ABA, West Texas Whirlwinds, Westchester Phantoms

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

Sam Hill

08-30-2007, 06:40 PM

And these are guys who stated in a lawsuit that their expertise has built the premier league in minor league basketball.

That's perjury, innit?

nksports

08-30-2007, 10:43 PM

That's perjury, innit?

I think there has to be a 20-something intern involved, a blue dress from the Gap, cigars, an oval office and politically-motivated special prosecutors. The rest I can't discuss here. :) ;)

tbayz1

08-31-2007, 09:17 AM

Thought the ABA said the schedule will be released early this week after tweaking at the owners meeting:confused:

http://abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2007082106001

O wait, I forgot, the ABA tends to lie, regions like the midwest and even the west are disasters and the schedule is probably still not completed, this schedule wont be done til October like last year :rolleyes:

Teams in one day out the next, teams popping up out of nowhere, teams vanishing, ill take this one from Magician, "This league needs a new CEO!!" and this one "This league has no leadership!" Sure we all give Brad some credit, because hes trying to do the right thing and actually has some kind of a brain, and I will say its hard to make a schedule when teams come and go and theres 40 some teams, BUT still he and the ABA have had all offseason to get things organized and be on top pf things, but quite frankily it seems they are having issues with that!! What does this league do in the off-season LOL!!

We should have a game for when teams/divisions/schedules will be done and released...

The Magician

08-31-2007, 10:13 AM

Thought the ABA said the schedule will be released early this week after tweaking at the owners meeting:confused:

http://abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2007082106001

Appears the Southeast schedules were sent out yesterday to the teams for review ...

California completed this morning ... Beijing appears to be in.

Mid-West is still a work in progress ...

and the entire league schedule should be published by next friday ...

That of course ... is always subject to change.

It's the ABA! (Not Brad's Fault)

tbayz1

08-31-2007, 11:18 AM

Well its good to hear theyre at least close, but come on everyone on here knows that it will change 2194093 times hahhahaha.

But good work for Brad to get it pretty much completed, except for the midwest, which I can understand since QC and RF left a few days ago.

TheStandard

08-31-2007, 11:39 AM

Beijing is headed to Qatar or back to the Chinese CBA. It may just look like it will be Qatar.

The Magician

08-31-2007, 11:54 AM

Beijing is headed to Qatar or back to the Chinese CBA. It may just look like it will be Qatar.

Appears Beijing, out of the blue, sent in their venue information and within an hour, they had been placed on the ABA schedule ... :confused:

rams80

08-31-2007, 12:12 PM

Appears Beijing, out of the blue, sent in their venue information and within an hour, they had been placed on the ABA schedule ... :confused:

So it's not Beijing, but rather somebody the ABA says is Beijing.

TheStandard

08-31-2007, 01:23 PM

called my connection with the CBA China. Beijing wont be let in this year as the schedule has been already composed. Qatar is in question right now since their league is weary of them.

Question does the Tournament of Americas feature high caliber ABA players as a representation of their league? HECKKKKK NO. I know which ones it does have. NBA, DLeague, Euroleague, Italy first division, Spain First division, BSN, Greece, Turkey. Only one Semi-Pro player in Hector Valenzuela of Puerto Rico who makes more working for Merck as a biologist in 6 months than what he makes in the BSN in a season.

Chuck the Writer

09-06-2007, 04:27 AM

NOTES - Maywood has finally posted their version of the 2007-08 schedule on their website. It does contain games against Beijing Aoshen Olympian, so I guess the Olympians are back in the ABA for another year. The Buzz are scheduled to play 36 games.

Long Beach has posted their schedule. It's a 36-game sched for the Breakers, although curiously they're playing the San Francisco "Saints" (thought the SF team was the Rumble?? Oh well...)

The Delaware website has been revamped for the new "First State Fusion" logo, but their website only shows the first two games of the season - a click on "Full Schedule" pulls up a Not Found error. So they're not on the "completed" list until I can see more than two games on their homepage. Same thing with Cicero Cometas USA, they only have two October games (both against Detroit) on their page.

The Houston Takers may have a schedule up, but it seems to only appear as a calendar on their MySpace page. And it's not even accessible. I had to go in through their myspage page because the redirect websites of http://www.houstonundertakers.net and http://www.houstontakers.com have a "This Account Has Been Suspended" message. Hey Larry, stop worrying about building an arena and starting up a minor league hoops mag and PAY YOUR WEBMASTER!

So as of September 6, 2007, here's where we stand regarding team schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (8 1/2):

Corning Bulldogs, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Rochester Fire (must be updated, still has games with Rock River and Quad Cities on sched), Strong Island Sound

TEAMS WITH 2006-07 SCHEDULES STILL ON THEIR WEBSITES: (7)

Beijing Aoshen Olympian, Buffalo Silverbacks, Palm Beach Imperials, Quebec Kebekwa, Sacramento Heatwave, St. Louis Stunners, Vermont Frost Heaves

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (22)

Anderson Champions, Atlanta Vision, Boston United Eagles, Chicago Throwbacks, Cicero Cometas, Detroit Panthers, First State Fusion, Georgia Gwizzlies, Houston Takers, Jacksonville Jam, Breakers, Mississippi Miracles, Monterrey Veneno, Montreal Royal, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Peoria Kings, Reno Sharpshooters, Rome Legions, San Diego Wildcats, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons, Tijuana Dragones

TEAMS WITH NO WEBSITE (4)

Bahama Pro Show, San Francisco Rumble, West Texas Whirlwinds, Westchester Phantoms

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

BreakersFan

09-06-2007, 12:57 PM

TEAMS WITH NO WEBSITE (4)

Bahama Pro Show, San Francisco Rumble, West Texas Whirlwinds, Westchester Phantoms

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

Bahama Pro Show? WTF????

TheStandard

09-06-2007, 01:17 PM

sounds like a strip show or something else.

tbayz1

09-06-2007, 01:34 PM

sounds like a strip show or something else.

haha

Im giving this team like 5 games before they fold LOL

And BreakersFan, see the thread "New Team In Florida" and that will tell you who this team is

TheStandard

09-06-2007, 01:41 PM

Bahama Pro Show = Shows you how a pro team folds in less than 5 games and hides all their funds in Bahamian banks.

Or its how to be a pro in giving bounced checks and take all the money to the bahamas, then you check their account and its closed and all the cash went to the cayman islands, you're screwed

TheStandard

09-06-2007, 01:42 PM

we now need a team in Bermuda and lets call it the Triangle maybe all the aba teams can go in there and disappear forever.

tbayz1

09-06-2007, 01:51 PM

we now need a team in Bermuda and lets call it the Triangle maybe all the aba teams can go in there and disappear forever.

Hahahahahaha

boing

09-06-2007, 05:41 PM

Noticed that Tijuana and Tucson were missing from the Buzz' schedule. With Bahamas joining the league, that puts the ABA at either 43 or 41 teams, depending on the day and mood....

psbf

09-06-2007, 06:11 PM

I can understand why Bermuda named their team that, while I know many (including myself) question the 'pro' in the name. It is a show. But I do agree that they could have chosen a better name(so what's new in this league?).

BreakersFan

09-06-2007, 07:28 PM

we now need a team in Bermuda and lets call it the Triangle maybe all the aba teams can go in there and disappear forever.

LOL - very good, TS

nksports

09-06-2007, 08:45 PM

The Bermuda Shorts????

TheStandard

09-06-2007, 08:48 PM

The Bermuda Shorts????
Short on cash?

tops804

09-06-2007, 11:24 PM

Noticed that Tijuana and Tucson were missing from the Buzz' schedule. With Bahamas joining the league, that puts the ABA at either 43 or 41 teams, depending on the day and mood....

Doesn't the number of ABA teams go up and down as much as gas prices?

tbayz1

09-07-2007, 04:42 PM

and the entire league schedule should be published by next friday ...

Well still not released yet LOL

The Magician

09-07-2007, 07:02 PM

Well still not released yet LOL

Yes, I was hoping to get this afternoon and see a schedule ...

But instead ... I have learned that some major changes may be in the works. :confused:

Chuck the Writer

09-07-2007, 07:48 PM

NOTES - Okay, it's now Friday evening, September 7. We are less than two months away from the first scheduled games on anybody's posted sched, November 2 (and nine days after that, the first game that is confirmed on two websites, a Nov 11 matchup in Hawaii between Maywood and Hawaii).

Detroit has posted their games up to the end of January.

Jacksonville has posted their home dates, but no opponents listed. No away dates or opponents listed either. Same thing with the Texas Tycoons - they have home dates listed, but no opponents or road dates. Come on, guys...

So essentially if there's 42 teams in the league, only eight of them have any sort of a full schedule on their homepages. That leaves 34 franchises with either partial or no schedules on their homepages, with eight weeks left until the start of the season.

So as of September 7, 2007, here's where we stand regarding team schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (8):

Corning Bulldogs, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Strong Island Sound

TEAMS WITH AN INCOMPLETE SCHEDULE (MORE THAN HALF) ON SITE (2)
Detroit Panthers
Rochester Fire

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (32)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 7)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions
Atlanta Vision
Bahama Pro Show NWP
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS
Boston United Eagles
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS
Chicago Throwbacks
Cicero Cometas USA
First State Fusion
Georgia Gwizzlies
Houston Takers
Jacksonville Jam
Mississippi Miracles
Monterrey Veneno
Montreal Royal
Orange County Gladiators
Orlando Aces
Palm Beach Imperials LYS
Peoria Kings
Quebec Kebekwa LYS
Reno Sharpshooters
Rome Legions
Sacramento Heatwave LYS
San Diego Wildcats
San Francisco Rumble NWP
St. Louis Stunners LYS
Syracuse Raging Bullz
Texas Tycoons
Tijuana Dragones
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP
Westchester Phantoms NWP

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

bomp

09-08-2007, 02:23 AM

Same thing with Cicero Cometas USA, they only have two October games (both against Detroit) on their page.

The Houston Takers may have a schedule up, but it seems to only appear as a calendar on their MySpace page. And it's not even accessible. I had to go in through their myspage page because the redirect websites of http://www.houstonundertakers.net and http://www.houstontakers.com have a "This Account Has Been Suspended" message. Hey Larry, stop worrying about building an arena and starting up a minor league hoops mag and PAY YOUR WEBMASTER!

The Fakers??? NO!! :mrgreen:

Where the hell will Cicero play??? I lived there for a year and you must habla espanol there!

Paul S

09-08-2007, 08:12 AM

I'm siding with giving Larry a pass on "THIS ACCOUNT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED" but it really puts the ABA into focus.

The ABA should approach the comedy network about a TV deal. No need for commentary just a laugh track and a behind the scenes look during halftime.

Chuck the Writer

09-10-2007, 10:38 PM

NOTES - Okay, it's now Monday evening, September 10. And it looks like the floodgates have finally opened.

The Syracuse Raging Bullz have posted their schedule, and it looks like the Houston Takers will be playing more than one game in NY this season.

The St. Louis Stunner are now on the board, posting both a "home" schedule and a combined home-and-away schedule.

A schedule has been posted for the San Diego Wildcats, who are the second team to refer to the San Francisco franchise as the "Saints." So is the SF team the Saints or the Rumbles?

Make that three teams calling the team "Saints," because the Reno Sharpshooters have their 33-game schedule on line, and they call the team the "San Francisco Saints" as well. Reno is also hosting Detroit for a two-game series on Feb. 2 and 3 - I wonder if someone told the Rochester Fire about this, because THEY also have Detroit scheduled to visit for a two-game series on February 2 and 3.

So as of September 10, 2007, here's where we stand regarding team schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (12):

Corning Bulldogs, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Reno Sharpshooters, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz

TEAMS WITH AN INCOMPLETE SCHEDULE (MORE THAN HALF) ON SITE (2)
Detroit Panthers
Rochester Fire

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (28)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 6)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions
Atlanta Vision
Bahama Pro Show NWP
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS
Boston United Eagles
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS
Chicago Throwbacks
Cicero Cometas USA
First State Fusion
Georgia Gwizzlies
Houston Takers
Jacksonville Jam
Mississippi Miracles
Monterrey Veneno
Montreal Royal
Orange County Gladiators
Orlando Aces
Palm Beach Imperials LYS
Peoria Kings
Quebec Kebekwa LYS
Rome Legions
Sacramento Heatwave LYS
San Francisco Rumble NWP
Texas Tycoons
Tijuana Dragones
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP
Westchester Phantoms NWP

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST AS OF MY LAST POSTING:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

Pounder

09-11-2007, 11:04 AM

I'm siding with giving Larry a pass on "THIS ACCOUNT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED" but it really puts the ABA into focus.

Just curious as to why this puts the ABA any more into focus than the million other issues.

Still, the whole schmear does have merit for a Comedy Central reality show.

gostlouis

09-11-2007, 12:50 PM

gostlouis

09-11-2007, 01:02 PM

I just visited the Stunners website and noticed that the first home game is against the "Cicero" Cometas. My goodness, does anyone check these things before they post them. That is just bad. It's CHICAGO, not Cicero!

I'll try to be there opening night on Nov 3rd. Lets just hope that Cicero or Chicago shows up.

Ignore my previous post. I'm the stupid one here. There is such a city as Cicero. My mistake.

Good job webmasters, carry on.

WHAFAN

09-11-2007, 01:21 PM

I live in Chicago, and Cicero is only about 8 miles to the south of me. The home of the Cicero Cometas is Cicero Stadium, which is nothing more than an old, previously abandoned city park field house. They hold Spanish boxing matches, and women's roller derby there on occasion. It has to be from the 30's, hasn't seen one bit of maintenance or upkeep in 40 years. No air conditioning, ancient wooden bleachers, maybe holding 300-400 people. You'd find cleaner bathrooms in a county jail than in this museum. I've lived in Chicago my entire life, and think of myself as somewhat of a Chicago historian. In 43 years, I've never heard of Cicero Stadium. It is actually part of the Clyde Park District. It is a hot, sweaty, musty, dimly lit mess. Anyone from Chicago remember the International Amphitheater on the south side? This place makes the Amp look like the Taj Mahal.

greatlakes

09-11-2007, 01:47 PM

Checking out the web sites on the PBL. Noticed most teams still had last years schedule on their site. Not much different than the ABA that Chuck seems to be obsessed with.

rams80

09-11-2007, 01:55 PM

Checking out the web sites on the PBL. Noticed most teams still had last years schedule on their site. Not much different than the ABA that Chuck seems to be obsessed with.

So which team do you own?

Oh...and the PBL season starts six? weeks later than the ABA's. Ergo, getting schedules up are a slightly less pressing concern.

Chuck the Writer

09-11-2007, 01:56 PM

Checking out the web sites on the PBL. Noticed most teams still had last years schedule on their site. Not much different than the ABA that Chuck seems to be obsessed with.

Not so much an obsession as you might think.

You're new on the boards (welcome), so let me get you caught up to things.

About a month ago, the ABA released a master schedule which had tons of screw-ups here and there (the same team playing two different opponents on two different cities on the same day, one squad playing a 20-game season while another team was scheduled for a 40-game season).

The schedule was, understandably, yanked off the net. So I've been following which teams have actually released a schedule - which ones released the original schedule with teams no longer on the ABA lineup (I'm talking about you, Rochester Fire), and teams who can't even be bothered to list the opponents for their home dates (that means you, Texas Tycoons).

Not so much an obsession, but somebody's got to keep Brad Hester on his toes or else he might release a schedule that has more holes in it than 5-year-old pantyhose.

greatlakes

09-11-2007, 02:10 PM

I do not own a team. Why is it that everyone who makes a statement about the PBL owns a ABA team? I do understand the PBL season starts six weeks later. However we have only seen seven teams.

I do agree that the ABA should have had their schedule completed weeks ago. Thanks for bringing me up to speed.

besl

09-11-2007, 03:17 PM

tbayz1

09-11-2007, 03:28 PM

Its not too bad of a gym, the floor is ugly, but thats the most people that gym will see hahaha

WHAFAN

09-11-2007, 03:53 PM

Not to mention the wonderful neighborhood its in. Every night in Cicero Illinois is Hard Liquor and Hand Gun Night.

TheStandard

09-11-2007, 04:55 PM

Not to mention the wonderful neighborhood its in. Every night in Cicero Illinois is Hard Liquor and Hand Gun Night.

The Cicero Venue has had some featured fights in the past especially through latin network Telefutura. I have been there before and i have to say. Even this Puerto Rican that was raised in Brownsville, Brooklyn New York ran away from Cicero faster than Carl Lewis in the 100 meter dash

Fells

09-11-2007, 04:58 PM

Not to mention the wonderful neighborhood its in. Every night in Cicero Illinois is Hard Liquor and Hand Gun Night.

Any sub-machine gun nights?

TheStandard

09-11-2007, 05:18 PM

9mm and AK-47 nights thats for sure

Paul S

09-11-2007, 06:50 PM

The poor owner was probably scared to death, he had 10 grand and figured it was safer in Joes' hands than this neighborhood, now thats one terrifying part of town.

bomp

09-12-2007, 01:44 AM

Not to mention the wonderful neighborhood its in. Every night in Cicero Illinois is Hard Liquor and Hand Gun Night.

You must be referring to the Cicero Police. They are the real criminals there.

Hey, hey, hey! I lived there a few years ago. The people that live there are very nice.

Chuck the Writer

09-12-2007, 07:22 PM

NOTES - Okay, it's now Wednesday evening, September 12. Less than two months before the opening day tipoff. Wherever that may be.

Not much in the way of webpage schedule changes, although I did get a glimpse of the OC Gladiators actually working on updating their sched page - and the sched link to the Chicago Throwbacks page has mysteriously disappeared... hmm...

So as of September 12, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (12):

Corning Bulldogs, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (some cancelled teams still on Hawaii's Sched), Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Reno Sharpshooters, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz

TEAMS WITH AN INCOMPLETE SCHEDULE (MORE THAN HALF) ON SITE (2)
Detroit Panthers (no games after end of January)
Rochester Fire (half their opponents are not part of 07-08 sched)

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (28)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 6)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions
Atlanta Vision
Bahama Pro Show NWP
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS
Boston United Eagles
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS
Chicago Throwbacks
Cicero Cometas USA
First State Fusion
Georgia Gwizzlies
Houston Takers
Jacksonville Jam
Mississippi Miracles
Monterrey Veneno
Montreal Royal
Orange County Gladiators
Orlando Aces
Palm Beach Imperials LYS
Peoria Kings
Quebec Kebekwa LYS
Rome Legions
Sacramento Heatwave LYS
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP
Texas Tycoons
Tijuana Dragones
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP
Westchester Phantoms NWP

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

tops804

09-12-2007, 07:39 PM

Chuck, I have to give you credit for having so much patience to go through
all the team sights...

Last I saw, Throwbacks were holding tryouts...Leading me to believe they
planned on going forward...Of course, that was 12 hours ago....

Chuck the Writer

09-13-2007, 10:19 PM

NOTES - Okay, it's now Thursday evening, September 13. Less than two months before the opening day tipoff. Wherever that may be.

The Orange County Gladiators are on the board, although they're playing a 33-game schedule (15 home, 18 away). Don't know what happened to the other three games, but in case anybody's keeping score, the OC Gladiators will be playing games against the San Francisco "Rumble" (that's 3 Rumble and 2 Saints, I think).

The Detroit Panthers have finally put up their full schedule, with an interesting twist - they actually list on their schedule how they will get to their road games (i.e., bus, airplane, etc.). They're also sporting a 34-game schedule.

So as of September 12, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (14):

Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (some cancelled teams still on Hawaii's Sched), Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Reno Sharpshooters, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz

TEAMS WITH AN INCOMPLETE SCHEDULE (MORE THAN HALF) ON SITE (1)
Rochester Fire (half their opponents are not part of 07-08 sched)

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (27)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 6)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions
Atlanta Vision
Bahama Pro Show NWP
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS
Boston United Eagles
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS
Chicago Throwbacks
Cicero Cometas USA
First State Fusion
Georgia Gwizzlies
Houston Takers
Jacksonville Jam
Mississippi Miracles
Monterrey Veneno
Montreal Royal
Orlando Aces
Palm Beach Imperials LYS
Peoria Kings
Quebec Kebekwa LYS
Rome Legions
Sacramento Heatwave LYS
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP
Texas Tycoons
Tijuana Dragones
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP
Westchester Phantoms NWP

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

The Magician

09-14-2007, 12:36 AM

is up ... just no opponents.

http://www.jaxjam.com/about_schedule.html

"Are You Ready To Jam!" :mrgreen:

Minor League Man

09-14-2007, 05:19 AM

is up ... just no opponents.

http://www.jaxjam.com/about_schedule.html

"Are You Ready To Jam!" :mrgreen:
I'm surprised they're still in the ABA after that official's fiasco in that last game vs. Buffalo...

They WILL see the light for 2008-09, I betcha!

a1sports

09-14-2007, 05:56 AM

Im surprised the Jax owner is still in the league after Joe told him to "shut up" in front of the other 18 owners in Indy last month. All the Jax owner did was ask some good questions to Joe.

So I have been waiting for Jax to announce that they are bolting the ABA after that exchange, BUT, they are still there so It makes me wonder if the JAx owner has the capital to make a move to another league.

There is a water shed line. If you have money you are NOT in the ABA or you were and then got out when you saw what its all about.

Just look back and see that former ABA teams that had money went to another league, those that had no money either stayed or folded.

the only "enigma" is Vermont.....and IMO, something is not right there.

The Magician

09-14-2007, 05:19 PM

So I have been waiting for Jax to announce that they are bolting the ABA after that exchange, BUT, they are still there so It makes me wonder if the Jax owner has the capital to make a move to another league.

The owner of the Jam has solid business acumen ...

It would not be a good business decision for the future of the Jam organization to make a current move from the ABA.

They are laying a foundation for better things to come ...

It's all about perception, involvement and consistency in the Jacksonville market.

You stay the course in North Florida and show that you are a Winner.

And you have the potential of going very far ...

"Let's Jam!" :mrgreen:

Minor League Man

09-14-2007, 05:49 PM

I think they'll be ABA this year, and when they move into Veterans Memorial Arena for 2008-09, they'll be in a new league...

TheStandard

09-14-2007, 06:18 PM

The owner of the Jam has solid business acumen ...

It would not be a good business decision for the future of the Jam organization to make a current move from the ABA.

They are laying a foundation for better things to come ...

It's all about perception, involvement and consistency in the Jacksonville market.

You stay the course in North Florida and show that you are a Winner.

And you have the potential of going very far ...

"Let's Jam!" :mrgreen:

So did Howard Hughes and he killed it by being a wacko and on china white

a1sports

09-14-2007, 07:40 PM

For Jax To stay in the ABA is like getting the plumbing contract for the titanic...word on the street is the Jax owner doesn have the capital to move to another league, word also in the basketball world is the aba IS A REC LEAGUE AND THE SPORTS WORLD DOESNT RECONNIZE IT AS LEGIT.

So he can stay in the ABA and just lose a ton more money and have NO value in his team. If you dont know by now, an ABA team has no value.

Seems like the JAx owner and The Vermont owner have the same thing in common....suicidal determination.

Who at this point in time thinks the ABA is legit? Id like to hear it.

Paul S

09-14-2007, 08:13 PM

To stay in the ABA is like getting the plumbing contract for the titanic

Thats hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Full Disclosure A1, I'm gonna use that line.

Jax is a funny sportstown too, ya the Jaguars work but you can point to a litany of failed franchises in almost every sport and league. Jack Bauer couldn't save this league.

The Magician

09-14-2007, 08:58 PM

... Word on the street is the Jax owner doesn't have the capital to move to another league ...

The Jacksonville owner is smart enough to understand the gains and $ challenges.

Especially when it has come to the ABA.

Plus ... there are no other minor-league basketball leagues or associations "in existence" that can currently serve the regional needs of the southeastern mkts.

He HAS ... and WILL CONTINUE ... to build value for his organization ... In this league or the next!

a1sports

09-15-2007, 05:11 AM

Ok, explain HOW his team or any other ABA team has any value. You can use any of the well know sports valuation formulas to asses value of a franchise.
If you dont know of any Ill provide them for you. Unless the math the ABA uses is different that the rest of the universe, zero + zero = Net value of Zero.

If Jax was in any other league, the distance between cities would NOT be a problem, your statement that there are no other basketbal leagues that can serve the regional needs of the southeast markets is flawed. If he joined the CBA or NBDL the travel would be paid for and the distance between cities would be irrelevant. So in other words, he has a team and is waiting for the league to provide closer cities ? Common you know better than that. ITs obvous he has no business acumen because he is STILL in the ABA.

a1sports

09-15-2007, 06:17 AM

Although, I do agree with you that Jax has laid down a foundation and did branding for the team. The problem is, all that money for foundation got him nothing because of the league he is in. He is in a trick bag, you spent money year one and what did it do for you? fold? and the money spent goes to waste? or stay and see what happens? roll the dice? Not good business pracrtice, because your still in the same league.

IMO, I bet the JAx owner tried to go to another league but didnt have the cash to pay the entrance fee. He is stuck between the rock and hard place.

The prudent business decision has only 2 options:

1. BOrrow the money and go to a legit league
2. Fold up before you go BK, you cant play Orlando 50 times. fans and sponsors wont like that.

staying where you are will only hurt you, It is a shame when someone has put time, energy and money into a project and the CEO tells you to shut up when you ask good business questions at a league meeting.

Maybe the NBDL, CBA or PBL should float him the entrance fee and capture a good market.

The Magician

09-15-2007, 10:35 AM

Ok, explain HOW his team or any other XXX team has any value.

When talking about VALUE ... it doesn't necessarily have to be thought in terms of monetary value.

A curious enthusiast of the sport of basketball goes to a team's first home game of an inaugural season.

He or She enjoys it!

That same individual goes to the second home game of the season with a friend, and he or she enjoys it even more.

That same individual goes to the third home game of the season and brings a group of friends, and he or she enjoys it 3X as much as the 1st game.

That same individual, who was a curious basketball enthusiast at the opening game, thinks of themself as a full-fledged FAN of the organization by the end of the season, and who just might purchase a season ticket for the following season!

I must say ... there is whole lot of VALUE in that!

If Jax was in any other league, the distance between cities would NOT be a problem, your statement that there are no other basketbal leagues that can serve the regional needs of the southeast markets is flawed. If he joined the CBA or NBDL the travel would be paid for and the distance between cities would be irrelevant.

#1 ... The Jacksonville/North Florida market is not ready to support an NBA or NBDL effort. Has it been looked at ...Yes. Will it continue to be looked at ... Certainly. Will it happen? Only time will tell.

The Jacksonville Jaguars of the NFL are the game in town!

Add in the Gators and Noles ... Enough said!

#2 ... Join the CBA? Now why would a team in Jacksonville, Florida want to join the CBA? Beyond the CBA's History, what does the CBA really have to offer to the Southeast markets? (No offense Ricardo)

After a full inaugural season ... The Atlanta Krunk and East Kentucky Miners could possibly provide some feedback on that.

So in other words, he has a team and is waiting for the league to provide closer cities?

That's a question I think would be reserved for the Jam owner to answer.

Common you know better than that. It's obvious he has no business acumen because he is STILL in the ABA.

Actually, I think you are way to far away from the Jam organization to ascertain that assertion!

TheStandard

09-15-2007, 10:57 AM

is the magician drinking the Kool Aid?

Plain and damn simple. I have more bankroll than any of these ABA owners. Would I put my money in an entity that is known for tanking out? or in an entity that shows stability?

You are going to lose money anyways in minor league sports do i want to tank out? or make a small profit? or Do i want to break even?> or do I want to hit the jackpot? Well with the ABA having teams that fold faster than a bad hand in vegas, with teams canceling games with teams not even show up giving you notice. HOW IN THE DAMN WORLD AM I GOING TO INVEST IN THAT!?

Sorry I can't.

Every league has it thorns: CBA the Krunk Trust me I know whats really going on in that team. I would be amazed if they play the whole season

PBL: The Whole League because no thing is really said about developments an d no one knows of venues. TIME IS RUNNING SHORT

D-League: I have word that the ABA is trying to put a team in Fort Wayne right now!. Oh and please market your teams more, i forgot the NBA deals with this league as its the Practice teams for the British Premiere league.

ABA: So many thorns a rose picker wouldn't handle it.

USBL: Same thing

psbf

09-15-2007, 11:32 AM

that every team in the CBA will not only finish the season but return for another, unlike the ABA, Standard-including Atlanta.
Magician, you asked why would a team join the CBA? I think the reason is obvious, although apparently not to you. I can see why you like the ABA, there are some good teams with potential. Unfortunately, I don't see the problems going away anytime in the near future. One of the good things that I like are that fans have a team to support, for whatever time the owners give the teams.

The Magician

09-15-2007, 12:02 PM

The problem is, all that money for foundation got him nothing because of the league he is in.

No, I don' think so! I believe there was a tremendous amount of VALUE generated from the investment of time and resources utilized during the course of the Jam's launch and completion of their inaugural season.

Although, The Jam's success had nothing to do with the ABA itself, other than the league providing a division with teams to play ... The Jam came out as WINNERS in many respects. And they can build and improve upon that!

He is in a trick bag, you spent money year one and what did it do for you?

How many answers are required for the same question that keeps being repeated over and over again?

fold? and the money spent goes to waste?

I don't believe I see a "Going out of Business" sign on the Jam website ...

or stay and see what happens?

Obviously, the Jam are not waiting around to see what the outcome of the Jaloza case is ...

roll the dice? Not good business practice, because your still in the same league.

With any business or investment ... are you 100% certain ... of success? It's all RISK.

The smarts come in ... when you can minimize that RISK.

A select few ABA teams have done the things they need to do to minimize their RISK ... the Jam being one of those teams.

It's not about being apart of the ABA ... It's about being the best organization that you can be ... right now ... in light of all challenges.

IMO, I bet the JAX owner tried to go to another league but didnt have the cash to pay the entrance fee.

IMO ... There's not a league out there in North America outside of the NBA ... that should entice any potential owner to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars to be associated with.

Aside from the CBA ... Who has a documented history of success that merits the attention of potential ownership groups?

So to say ... That the Jam owner "supposedly" might not have enough cash to pay for a much larger entrance fee ... or he should go out and secure financing to "up" his investment toward joining another league ... is not anyone's call to make! It's HIS money and HIS risk ... regardless of how good or bad the league office and all other member teams may be in the sum of all things.

If the Jam owner maximizes his 10K - 20K investment (Market Reservation) into someting much more rewarding than just participating in a minor-league basketball association (a.k.a. ABA) ... then possibly, he possesses something that will thrust him forward, ultimately fulfilling his original desire to have wanted to begin the journey in the first place.

He is stuck between the rock and hard place.

I don't see it that way ... The Jam are staying the course!

The prudent business decision has only X options:

2. Fold up before you go BK ...

LOL, "prudent' ...And you are located where on the Forbes List A1? (Just a Joke)

It is a shame when someone has put time, energy and money into a project and the CEO tells you to shut up when you ask good business questions at a league meeting.

Who listens to the ABA CEO? (POOF)

Maybe the NBDL, CBA or PBL should float him the entrance fee and capture a good market.

No League Office should be floating any organization with regard to entrance fees ...

Not even the Jam.

The Magician

09-15-2007, 12:10 PM

is the magician drinking the Kool Aid?

When have I ever stated that I have been a FAN of the ABA ...

Although, I have always loved the taste of a cool-cool cup of Orange Kool Aid.

The Magician

09-15-2007, 12:18 PM

Magician, you asked why would a team join the CBA? I think the reason is obvious, although apparently not to you.

No offense psbf ... But I'm going to have to say it ... Please enlighten me on the obvious reason(s).

Why should teams from the southeast (right now) join the CBA?

MisterHappy

09-15-2007, 12:41 PM

besl

09-15-2007, 12:53 PM

MisterHappy

09-15-2007, 01:35 PM

That one's easy. You pay for them to show up.

Let's look at it two different ways: A team could spend $500,000 to play in a league where the opponents are always guaranteed to show up. Or a team could spend $250,000 (and that's including any money spent on visiting teams) to play in a league in which they have to pay for their opponents to show up. If you're strictly looking at costs, the second option makes the most sense.

Okay, if it's that easy, then WHY are teams NOT showing up? AGAIN, I asked for a 'real life' answer. Not some theory that obviously doesn't happen/work in the ABA.

rams80

09-15-2007, 02:37 PM

No offense psbf ... But I'm going to have to say it ... Please enlighten me on the obvious reason(s)?

Why should teams from the southeast (right now) join the CBA?

Because Pittsburgh is in the CBA...and Pittsburgh is the world.

psbf

09-15-2007, 02:44 PM

a1sports

09-15-2007, 03:54 PM

Ok, Lets try to buy the Jax.

Simple business 101. Jax has a price tag on the frachise. Jax wants X dollars. I am interested to buy, lets see your P and L and balance sheet to get an idea of value. Well says Jax...we have fans !!!! dont worry about the P and L and Balance sheet.

OK, Lets go to the bank for a loan for the business. Hey Banker I want 50 k for my bunsiness. Ok , lets see your P and L and balance sheet, Well says Jax ..I have fans thats my value.

OK that was a taste of the real world..so NO more Kool aid Magician , your slipping badly lhere

rams80

09-15-2007, 04:07 PM

know what you mean by 'Pittsburgh is the world', rams80, but my idea of 'obvious' is that teams leave the ABA, contrary to the CBA where we have been more solid(as has been mentioned by others many times before). Maybe Magician forgets that or chooses to ignore it.

Evidently you can't detect sarcasm.

But the CBA has little presence in the Southeast. The ABA has a much more sizable presence there. That's why it makes some sense to stick it out.

psbf

09-15-2007, 04:41 PM

rams80, I've been given more than my share of sarcasm. I just wanted to see you admit it.
I admit that I enjoyed watching the X play when they were in this league. The problem that I had was that this league offers no future and about half of our Division disappeared after the season ended. Would you rather play in a Division of 7 teams or just 4(which we would have been in last season)?
I hold a certain respect for this league because we began play there. But chances are that the Xplosion would not exist today if we were still there. On the other hand, maybe they would. You may not like the CBA, but that is your choice. I like what the league is growing into. At least it has promise, unlike the ABA. Sometimes I wonder what the X would be like if we were still in the ABA. But we are in the CBA now. I'm with them regardless. No need for sarcasm, rams. If you have a team near you, enjoy them and share your input with them.

psbf

09-15-2007, 04:58 PM

as far as the 'world' comment, rams, don't make a judgement remark about a place unless you have been here. My guess is you have not.

Chuck the Writer

09-15-2007, 05:33 PM

NOTES - Okay, it's now Saturday evening, September 15. Less than two months before the opening day tipoff. This is getting older than an O.J. Simpson crime watch.

While going through my semi-regular check of all teams who haven't put up their schedule, I noticed that the Rome Legions' page, through a company called Tendo-Technologies, is off line. Hmm...

The Chicago Throwbacks claim to have their schedule up, but clicking on the link only takes you to a blank page.

The Rochester Fire's website claims that games against Rock River and Quad City will be rescheduled with other opponents. I wonder if that also holds true for games played against Flint.

So as of September 15, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (14):

Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (some cancelled teams still on Hawaii's Sched), Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Reno Sharpshooters, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz

TEAMS WITH AN INCOMPLETE SCHEDULE (MORE THAN HALF) ON SITE (1)
Rochester Fire (half their opponents are not part of 07-08 sched)

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (27)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 6)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions
Atlanta Vision
Bahama Pro Show NWP
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS
Boston United Eagles
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS
Chicago Throwbacks
Cicero Cometas USA
First State Fusion
Georgia Gwizzlies
Houston Takers
Jacksonville Jam
Mississippi Miracles
Monterrey Veneno
Montreal Royal
Orlando Aces
Palm Beach Imperials LYS
Peoria Kings
Quebec Kebekwa LYS
Rome Legions
Sacramento Heatwave LYS
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP
Texas Tycoons
Tijuana Dragones
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP
Westchester Phantoms NWP

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

rams80

09-15-2007, 06:03 PM

as far as the 'world' comment, rams, don't make a judgement remark about a place unless you have been here. My guess is you have not.

That would be the sarcastic part, and it was directed at you and your posting history....

I think the CBA, while it has fallen off since the D-League poached half of it, is still ahead of the ABA. I'm just not sure it's a good idea for a Southeastern team to join a league whose only Southeastern presence is known as "the Krunk Wolverines".

psbf

09-15-2007, 06:21 PM

get me started on O.J., Chuck.
Anyway, back to the topic;

The Magician

09-15-2007, 09:00 PM

Magician, you keep defending the ABA 'business plan' as something that can work simply by being smart about how you market your team, build 'value,' etc., but you have failed to answer the BURNING Question:

What do you do when no team travels to YOUR home games? How do you build a fan base when the opposing teams may or may not show up? don't sugar-coat this question, answer it based on real life experience.

#1 ... How can I defend the ABA Business Plan, when there is really no such instrument. Has anyone ever seen a business plan for the ABA?

The mission statement is pretty much it people ...

Beyond that ...

Although dated, All I have seen is a paragraph of goals:

1) Become the most diversified professional sports league ever.

* ABA CEO has check marked that one.

2) Attract fab players and coaches and provide an exciting fast paced game of professional basketball with rules like the innovative 3-D rule.

* ABA CEO has check marked that one.

3) Make the game affordable to the fans with low ticket prices by having low overhead - lower salaries, lower venue costs and lower travel costs.

* ABA CEO has check marked that one.

4) To achieve a rate of expansion never seen before, with as many as x# of teams in three countries - US, Mexico and Canada ... all happening in a short number of years.

* ABA CEO has check marked that one ...

5) To make sure that the ABA's teams' are successful and profitable.

* CEO says ... WE haven't done that!

Now, that was an truthful statement.

This has been proven time and time again. And it's been documented here on the ABA OSC Message Board for more than a couple years now.

... and x# of sections in a binder which is pretty vanilla. It's brief and I mean extremely brief, talking about:

Capital and Revenue
Personnel
Setting Up Operations
Visability
Developing a Budget
Getting the Venue Set
Reciprocal Trades
Team Revenue Streams
ABA Travel and Divisional Play
Setting Up Local and Radio and TV Deals

The ABA really does not have an actual business plan?

What has the ABA done since it's inception to really help teams become successful and profitable?

Yeah, I have read the SEC releases. Pretty easy to decipher the meaning of all that. (That's a check list too, btw.)

More to come ...

Wow ... I had a pretty lengthy response ... and my PC just blinked, and I lost it all.

I'll have to get back to you MH.

tops804

09-15-2007, 10:34 PM

But the CBA has little presence in the Southeast. The ABA has a much more sizable presence there. That's why it makes some sense to stick it out.

Other then a few good Florida teams...hurt by the few bad ones that didn't
finish the season last year. Can either league say they made an impact
in the Southeast? I've believed it might be time for both to steer clear of
the south for a while....

rams80

09-15-2007, 10:54 PM

Other then a few good Florida teams...hurt by the few bad ones that didn't
finish the season last year. Can either league say they made an impact
in the Southeast? I've believed it might be time for both to steer clear of
the south for a while....

My point is that's still more than what the CBA has.

tops804

09-15-2007, 11:09 PM

My point is that's still more than what the CBA has.

I can't argue with that...Last CBA team in the Southeast??? Without looking
it up, I want to say Birmingham in the early to mid 90's....

psbf

09-15-2007, 11:16 PM

One Way, Pittsburg is in Kansas, Pittsburgh is in Pa(where the X play).
And Corning Bulldogs, when you first came on(overall) I believed that you were the owner of a team and I had a lot of respect for you as an owner keeping up on things here and learning new things. Unfortunately, your latest postings have caused me to wonder if you are an owner, to be honest.

The Magician

09-16-2007, 03:23 AM

OK that was a taste of the real world ...

How insightful A1 :rolleyes:

The Magician

09-16-2007, 03:31 AM

Maybe Magician forgets that or chooses to ignore it.

Sigh, Does anybody care to answer the question who understands the ?

psbf

09-16-2007, 07:53 AM

interesting that you chose to ignore the rest of my posting, Magician. Or you conveniently forgot what I had said. I suggest you go back and re-read it all.

The Magician

09-16-2007, 10:29 AM

interesting that you chose to ignore the rest of my posting, Magician. Or you conveniently forgot what I had said. I suggest you go back and re-read it all.

Goodness Gracious :mad:

Let me repeat the question ...

#2 ... Join the CBA? Now why would a team in Jacksonville, Florida want to join the CBA? Beyond the CBA's History, what does the CBA really have to offer to the Southeast markets?

And your responses were ...

Magician, you asked why would a team join the CBA? I think the reason is obvious, although apparently not to you.

... but my idea of 'obvious' is that teams leave the ABA, contrary to the CBA where we have been more solid (as has been mentioned by others many times before).

PSBF ... That's your answer to the question - that it's obvious?

Pounder

09-18-2007, 01:41 PM

When the obvious does not come to fruition...

...like, do I have to say how obvious it is that the obviousness really isn't obvious? Do I? Isn't it obvious?

I don't have the energy to mess with the obvious boosterism of psbf.

psbf

09-18-2007, 01:58 PM

booterism, Pounder? Where did you get that one from?

besl

09-18-2007, 03:34 PM

boo(s)terism, Pounder? Where did you get that one from?

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boosterism):

Boosterism is the act of "boosting," or promoting, one's town, city, or organization, with the goal of improving public perception of it. Boosting can be as simple as "talking up" the entity at a party or as elaborate as establishing a visitors' bureau. It is somewhat associated with American small towns. Boosting is also done in political settings, especially in regard to disputed policies or controversial events. The term has, in general, a negative connotation.

During the expansion of the American and Canadian West, boosterism became epidemic as the leaders and owners of small towns made extravagant predictions for their settlement in the hope of attracting more residents and not coincidentally inflating real estate prices.

Chuck the Writer

09-18-2007, 06:25 PM

Okay cats and kittens, it's now Tuesday, September 18, 2007. We are now 45 days away from the opening day tipoff. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

I went to the Jacksonville Jam website, once again the team did not have a full sched (just a list of home dates, no opponents), and after I heard Scott Cooper announce that he was the head coach of YOUR Jacksonville Jam, I went to the schedule page - only to hear what might be the goofiest rap song ever, dedicated to the new ABA and the Jacksonville Jam!

Don't believe me? Go here!

http://www.jaxjam.com/about_schedule.html

Really no other changes. So as of September 18, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (14):

Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (some cancelled teams still on Hawaii's Sched), Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Reno Sharpshooters, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz

TEAMS WITH AN INCOMPLETE SCHEDULE (MORE THAN HALF) ON SITE (1)
Rochester Fire (half their opponents are not part of 07-08 sched)

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (27)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 6)
(NS=No Schedule - 15)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 2)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (45 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Boston United Eagles NS (no updates since July 11)
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS (come on tbayz1, get on these guys' cases!)
Chicago Throwbacks NS (link to schedule is dead page)
Cicero Cometas USA NS (only lists first two games, home-and-home v Detroit)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Jacksonville Jam PS (just home dates, no opponents or road dates)
Mississippi Miracles NS (It would be a miracle if this team updated its webpage)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal NS (nothing either in English or in French)
Orlando Aces NS (another team in search of a clue)
Palm Beach Imperials LYS (I think the ABA's answer to Lyndon Larouche needs to stop worrying about his Presidential aspirations and get back to work on his team and getting a schedule up and running)
Peoria Kings NS (at least they're announcing tryouts...)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (nope, nothing there)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
Sacramento Heatwave LYS (there's an empty grid where the schedule should be)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Texas Tycoons PS (hasn't been updated in a while...)
Tijuana Dragones NS (still nothing going on... is this team even alive?)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

psbf

09-18-2007, 06:38 PM

Besl, peace Pounder, no need for negatism.
Anyway, back to the topic;

rams80

09-18-2007, 07:50 PM

Besl, peace Pounder, no need for negatism.
Anyway, back to the topic;

Who appointed you moderator?

psbf

09-18-2007, 10:21 PM

in my last post does it say that I claimed to be?

rams80

09-19-2007, 12:01 AM

in my last post does it say that I claimed to be?

When you say "back on topic" you act like one.

psbf

09-19-2007, 12:26 AM

there may be posters on here who don't care for me, for whatever reason, but everyone has a right to their opinion on discussions and when I see something that interests me, I put in my 2 cents. You can agree or disagree. But if someone makes it personal, I'll just try to return to the topic, since I don't believe in that. There are a lot of judgemental people around, but I'm not one of them. I know that we have moderators on here and I respect them.

rams80

09-19-2007, 09:27 AM

psbf

09-19-2007, 12:12 PM

in favor of Jacksonville joining. I think they would make a good fit as a rivalry with Atlanta, even if the Krunk are the only close team in this league to the Jam.

one way

09-19-2007, 12:23 PM

Is your Jaren Jackson photo kept under your pillow or is it hanging above the bed?

TheStandard

09-19-2007, 12:39 PM

The Krunk has no funds.

psbf

09-19-2007, 01:35 PM

What is your source?

TheStandard

09-19-2007, 01:46 PM

my source? Freedom Williams is Broke. Kenny Anderson might as well buy the whole darn team. Spyder Hughes. Hes broker than a 3 dollar bill. He still owes the Cricket Arena money.

rams80

09-19-2007, 02:28 PM

Not to mention you have to question the gray matter of the owner when it tells him "Krunk Wolverines" is a good team name.

So....we are shackling Jacksonville in a league which has only one opponent that could even be considered a "reasonable" road trip, but that team is of questionable stability.

Even considering the garden variety instability that comes with your typical ABA teams....the number of teams the ABA has in the area that are closer than Atlanta makes staying put seem to be the best call for this season.

TheStandard

09-19-2007, 02:44 PM

The Krunk will fold. You can't compete in Atlanta as a "pro-team" to create revenue against an NBA team and Georgia Tech

psbf

09-19-2007, 03:07 PM

good memories of the X, when we were in the ABA.
As far as the Krunk, if they do go under, it better not be until after the season as we play them and I look forward to watching when Atlanta comes here. Regardless of the ownership and their problems, I hope the Krunk survive, despite their competition with the Hawks of the NBA.

TheStandard

09-19-2007, 04:12 PM

to me the Krunk is broke. look at their page compared to the rest of the pages in the league. I feel that The Miners have the best page then Pittsburgh. Hell even Albany has a better page and actually i love their page because the majority of the CBA photos come from Chuck. Atlanta's page is like a NIFL team page. Hey at least they have a page. ABA teams really dont.

psbf

09-19-2007, 05:05 PM

your word for it about ABA teams, since I have not visited any since the X switched leagues. But I have to agree about Atlanta's website. Nothing has been done to it lately. However, the Xplosion did update theirs, which is similar to East Ky, so I don't know how you can say the Minors are better when they are designed the same. The one thing the Xplosion have that the Miners don't is a Discussion board.
Chuck is a good writer so I agree that Albany does have a good site.

Chuck the Writer

09-19-2007, 05:28 PM

Well thanks for the compliments people. Yes, my photographs do appear on the Patroons' website, and they have also appeared on other CBA sites (as well as on the Strong Island Sound website). I always try to take some shots for the visiting team, then e-mail them to the team's media relations person so that the fans in visiting cities can see their favorite guys in road gear.

I currently use a Nikon D70 Digital SLR camera with several interchangeable lenses (including two telephotos and a 3-D beamsplitter lens). Hopefully if I can scrape together enough pennies, I'm going to visit B&H Photo in NYC and get a swank f/1.4 50-85mm telephoto that will make my action shots sparkle.

So if anyone's feeling generous this holiday season...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/108421-USA/Nikon_1933_Telephoto_AF_Nikkor_85mm.html

Or in ABA terms, it only costs 1/10th of a franchise!

bomp

09-19-2007, 08:31 PM

The Krunk has no funds.

What's a Krunk?

psbf

09-19-2007, 08:39 PM

the name of Atlanta's CBA team, I have no idea.

tops804

09-19-2007, 09:45 PM

What's a Krunk?

Some kind of urban music style...I think it really starts with a 'C'....I believe
their ABA motto was "Were gonna Krunk this place up..."...

Music...Loud noise (today most are the same anyway aren't they?)

TheStandard

09-19-2007, 10:21 PM

Crunk music is the music that Lil' John and Jermaine Dupri developed in Atlanta and in Miami. Krunk just a variation of the name. But trust me in this. That team is folding faster than a non kosher restaurant in a kosher neighborhood

psbf

09-19-2007, 10:26 PM

to differ, Standard. The CBA is more stable than the ABA and I think the Krunk will at least survive the season.

TheStandard

09-19-2007, 10:34 PM

yes the CBA is a trillion more times stable than the ABA will ever be. But the Krunk is your new version of The Utah Eagles

Minor League Man

09-19-2007, 10:43 PM

I wonder if theyre gonna "Supaman dat hoe" or if they're the CBA's kryptonite?

More likely the latter...

bomp

09-19-2007, 11:39 PM

yes the CBA is a trillion more times stable than the ABA will ever be. But the Krunk is your new version of The Utah Eagles

Well if the NBA and Division I sell out, maybe it could work. I wouldn't go but maybe they can find 1,000 people to pay $10. It would require a real marketing plan and money to fund it.

Good luck! :rolleyes:

What was Gym Coyne thinking??

TheStandard

09-20-2007, 01:10 AM

Well if the NBA and Division I sell out, maybe it could work. I wouldn't go but maybe they can find 1,000 people to pay $10. It would require a real marketing plan and money to fund it.

Good luck! :rolleyes:

What was Gym Coyne thinking??

that if he did what Joe Newman is doing he would have gone to jail in seconds instead of what happened with the Pepsi aka Knickerbocker Arena fiasco

a1sports

09-20-2007, 05:19 AM

CBA does have a major flaw....called Ricardo. It will catch up with them. Over promise-underdeliver.

tbayz1

09-20-2007, 05:23 AM

CBA does have a major flaw....called Ricardo. It will catch up with them. Over promise-underdeliver.

He was with the ABA correct?

What what his job? VP like Hester is now?

Chuck the Writer

09-20-2007, 06:37 AM

In an effort to try to keep this thread on topic, it's now Thursday, September 20, 2007. We are now 43 days away from the opening day tipoff. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

Reno, as previously reported, did update its schedule. Notably, the two games they were to host Beijing were deleted, and were replaced by two games in "Macaw, China" against Beijing, and some other games on the sched were rearranged. Memo to the Reno webmaster: the city in China is called "Macau" or "Macao," a "macaw" is a bird. I swear, if idiots could fly, I'd be an air traffic controller. This shift in Beijing's location has not been recognized by the other teams in the league (who still have Aoshen Olympian playing at Azuza Pacific) or by the Olympians themselves (still have last year's sched on the boards). San Francisco is still listed as the "Saints" on the Reno site.

Chicago put their schedule up (finally), so any games that were supposed to have been played at the University of Illinois at Chicago will now be played the Attack Athletics sports and fitness center. Wow wee. BTW, did I miss the memo or are the Anderson Champions now known as "Indiana" again? (according to the Throwbacks' site, I guess they are).

So as of September 20, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (15):

Chicago Throwbacks, Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (some cancelled teams still on Hawaii's Sched), Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Reno Sharpshooters updated, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz

TEAMS WITH AN INCOMPLETE SCHEDULE (MORE THAN HALF) ON SITE (1)
Rochester Fire (half their opponents are not part of 07-08 sched)

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (26)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 6)
(NS=No Schedule - 14)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 2)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (45 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Boston United Eagles NS (no updates since July 11)
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS (come on tbayz1, get on these guys' cases!)
Cicero Cometas USA NS (only lists first two games, home-and-home v Detroit)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Jacksonville Jam PS (just home dates, no opponents or road dates)
Mississippi Miracles NS (It would be a miracle if this team updated its webpage)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal NS (nothing either in English or in French)
Orlando Aces NS (another team in search of a clue)
Palm Beach Imperials LYS (I think the ABA's answer to Lyndon Larouche needs to stop worrying about his Presidential aspirations and get back to work on his team and getting a schedule up and running)
Peoria Kings NS (at least they're announcing tryouts...)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (nope, nothing there)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
Sacramento Heatwave LYS (there's an empty grid where the schedule should be)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Texas Tycoons PS (hasn't been updated in a while...)
Tijuana Dragones NS (still nothing going on... is this team even alive?)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury

a1sports

09-20-2007, 06:50 AM

A little info on Chicago throwaways

A call to the UIC pavillion where Chicago was suppose to play, well they never ever had any info or calls from a Chicago basketball team ( figures doesnt it?) now as to them playing at the ATTACK ATHLETIC CENTER, word has it they are playing there for FREE. Proper name "attack" because thats what will happen to you if you enter that neighborhood.

when will ONE press release from the ABA be accurate?

PS By the way, I was quoted 6,500 - 11,000 dollars a night to use the place for basketball. so that right there tells you its not an ABA venue.

TheStandard

09-20-2007, 10:57 AM

That area of Chicago makes Cicero look like heaven

bomp

09-20-2007, 05:02 PM

that if he did what Joe Newman is doing he would have gone to jail in seconds instead of what happened with the Pepsi aka Knickerbocker Arena fiasco

Ah, we are talking about Albany, NY. Gym was stupid. All the elected officials in Alabny could be put in prison. Long time political machine like Chicago.

Paul S

09-20-2007, 05:06 PM

Chuck the Writer

09-20-2007, 09:13 PM

Anyone ever hear of Robert Hanssen? He was that spy that was caught around 1997 the one who sold a ton of secrets to the Russians. Well in the last weeks of the old Soviet Union he passed along a letter to Moscow urging them to study Richard Daleys administration in Chicago in order to get a handle on things.

A CIA employee telling the Soviet Union who had Joseph Stalin at one time in charge that they should brush up on mayor Daly's iron fisted ruling techniques.

Ahhhh Albany, where its not just the roads that are crooked.

Oh come on, just because Albany's official motto is "vote early and often."

I tell you, though, how ironic it is that the Times-Union newspaper, the paper that essentially ripped Jim Coyne apart for building the then-Knickerbocker Arena, now has the naming rights to the building as the Times Union Center. If that isn't chutzpah... They whined about it being built, and now they get to have their name on the building.

Albany may have had a political machine as recently as the 1980's, but at least the Patroons are still on solid footing - which is better than at least 90% of the ABA franchises out there.

TheStandard

09-20-2007, 10:02 PM

Talk about Hypocrisy. What Chuck said is so true.

Also Albany is a great city to have a team in. Now if a team in Utica can step up lol

bomp

09-20-2007, 11:24 PM

Oh come on, just because Albany's official motto is "vote early and often."

I tell you, though, how ironic it is that the Times-Union newspaper, the paper that essentially ripped Jim Coyne apart for building the then-Knickerbocker Arena, now has the naming rights to the building as the Times Union Center. If that isn't chutzpah... They whined about it being built, and now they get to have their name on the building.

Albany may have had a political machine as recently as the 1980's, but at least the Patroons are still on solid footing - which is better than at least 90% of the ABA franchises out there.

Th Patroons have been a great team for awhile. Always professionally run.

That is STILL Chicago's motto.

Isn't the newspaper owned by Hearst? What do you expect from them? They would rather have Bulgaro's big attraction downtown. Do they admit that the South End even exists yet?? :mrgreen:

Chuck the Writer

09-21-2007, 08:02 PM

As we head toward the weekend, it is now Friday, September 21, 2007. We are now 42 days away from the opening day tipoff. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

The Texas Tycoons have finally listed their entire schedule.

The Rochester Fire have corrected their schedule, deleting games against Flint, Rock River and Quad City, and adding a few more games against Anderson. Like that's much of a replacement.

But here's a problem. The Hampton Roads / Virginia Ballerz were quietly dropped from the league 2007-08 season - which means that Corning, Syracuse, Strong Island and Syracuse all have games scheduled against them - which means those games will have to be fixed as well. Man... it never changes!

So as of September 21, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold:

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (17):

Chicago Throwbacks, Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (some cancelled teams still on Hawaii's Sched), Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Reno Sharpshooters, Rochester Fire updated, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (25)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 6)
(NS=No Schedule - 14)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 1)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (45 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Boston United Eagles NS (no updates since July 11)
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS (come on tbayz1, get on these guys' cases!)
Cicero Cometas USA NS (only lists first two games, home-and-home v Detroit)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Jacksonville Jam PS (just home dates, no opponents or road dates)
Mississippi Miracles NS (It would be a miracle if this team updated its webpage)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal NS (nothing either in English or in French)
Orlando Aces NS (another team in search of a clue)
Palm Beach Imperials LYS (I think the ABA's answer to Lyndon Larouche needs to stop worrying about his Presidential aspirations and get back to work on his team and getting a schedule up and running)
Peoria Kings NS (at least they're announcing tryouts...)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (nope, nothing there)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
Sacramento Heatwave LYS (there's an empty grid where the schedule should be)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Tijuana Dragones NS (still nothing going on... is this team even alive?)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury, Virginia Ballerz

Paul S

09-21-2007, 08:12 PM

Chuck-

Your torturing yourself. This is like a former owner who runs to the mailbox each morning eagerly checking the mail. You see he was promissed a refund by Joe Newman and Joe says the checks in the mail. He keeps checking and checking and checking and no check.

I think you have actually uncovered the secret to the Jacksonville Jam's name.

Just Another My Space website for another non-existent team JAM's

tbayz1

09-21-2007, 08:49 PM

Man that Southern Division(Texas) is just a disaster waiting to happen, I didnt even know Monterrey still existed

I think Larry is going to be playing the Tycoons alot again like last season

(Chuck-Its coming really soon ;))

boing

09-22-2007, 11:36 AM

Looks like Mississippi and Tijuana are now '08 teams. Tucson is on none of the schedules that have been announced so far. The ABA is now down to 40 teams now, not counting Tucson.

tbayz1

09-22-2007, 11:53 AM

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3542877

The West Texas WhirlWinds are alive, but they say their website is www.westtexaswhirlwinds.com but it doesnt exist yet lol, Id like to see how long this team lasts lol

The Magician

09-22-2007, 01:38 PM

Don't look for a FINAL schedule for the ABA anytime soon ...

Word is that there is a possibility of TWO more teams being added to the mix.

One team in California and another team in Illinois.

The ABA Dilemma Continues ...

tbayz1

09-22-2007, 03:39 PM

The ABA Dilemma Continues ...

It will never end.

Chuck the Writer

09-26-2007, 06:38 AM

As we head closer to deadline, it is now Wednesday, September 26, 2007. We are now 37 days away from the opening day tipoff. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

The Boston United Eagles are now the Boston Blizzard, and have put a full schedule on their page.

The Orlando Aces have released their schedule - which does not have them playing Corning on Dec 16 (their schedule says they host Jacksonville on that date). They also list games against a "Miami" team. Could this either be the Miami Tropics or the new Bahama Pro Show squad? seem to have replaced the Georgia Gwizzlies from the original schedule for games. Could the Gwizzlies be postponed for yet ANOTHER YEAR?

The Sacramento Heatwave have their schedule up on the web. They still have Beijing playing at Azuza Pacific.

The Hawaii Hurricanes have fixed their schedule. They also list a game in Beijing against Beijing.

Mississippi and Tijuana are off the 07-08 roster.

So as of September 26, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold. This also means that with less than 40 days until tip-off, only half of the ABA's 40 teams (it's 40 now?) have full schedules on their homepages. And four franchises (Bahama Pro Show, San Francisco Rumble, West Texas Whirlwinds, Westchester Phantoms) don't even have websites!

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (20):

Boston Blizzard, Chicago Throwbacks, Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Reno Sharpshooters, Rochester Fire, Sacramento Heatwave, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (20)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 5)
(NS=No Schedule - 10)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 1)
(NWP=No Webpage - 4)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (45 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS (if they're not playing this season, this is gonna screw up some Eastern division scheds real real bad)
Cicero Cometas USA NS (only lists first two games, home-and-home v Detroit)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Jacksonville Jam PS (just home dates, no opponents or road dates)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal NS (nothing either in English or in French)
Palm Beach Imperials LYS (I think the ABA's answer to Lyndon Larouche needs to stop worrying about his Presidential aspirations and get back to work on his team and getting a schedule up and running)
Peoria Kings NS (at least they're announcing tryouts...)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (nope, nothing there)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Mississippi Miracles, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury, Tijuana Dragones, Virginia Ballerz

Chuck the Writer

09-29-2007, 05:47 AM

Although they have not yet been "officially" removed from the ABA schedule, or at least the ones put up by the various teams on their homepages, I thought it might be interesting to chronicle which franchises will be affected by the potential disappearance of the Rome Legions, the Buffalo Silverbacks, and the non-existence of the Virginia Ballerz.

BUFFALO SILVERBACKS

Boston, Corning (4), Detroit, Jersey (3), Strong Island (5), Syracuse (5)

ROME LEGIONS

Orlando (6), Rochester (2)

VIRGINIA BALLERZ

Corning (4), Jersey (5), Strong Island (3), Syracuse (3)

So essentially, Corning just lost eight games off their schedule with the news that Buffalo would potentially sit out the season and that Virginia just doesn't exist. Strong Island loses eight games on their schedule, Syracuse loses eight games, Jersey loses eight games for 2007-08. As for the Rome Legions planning to sit out the year, this costs the Orlando Aces six games on their schedule, and also takes two games away from the Rochester Fire (a team who just finished revamping their schedule to account for the disappearance of Rock River and Quad City, as well as the vaporware Flint Tropics).

And those doesn't even count what's going on with Reno (possibly no arena and definitely no coach), Miami (which may or may not be the Bahama Pro Show), or several other teams whose status is up in the air.

But hey, we've still got that November 10th Corning v. Houston matchup.

CorningFan

10-01-2007, 08:59 PM

So are Buffalo and Virginia playing or not? That's 8 games of our schedule - almost 25%! My guess is that we will play Syracuse and Jersey more, but it's very confusing. I guess a revised schedule will be announced soon.

Too bad - I was looking forward to rivalries with the Slimebacks and Bawlers.

Corning Bulldogs - preparing for an ABA Championship!

robster2001

10-01-2007, 11:08 PM

Corning Bulldogs - preparing for an ABA Championship!

...by being the last team standing? :confused:

No, seriously... good luck with that. And then, if your team draws well and doesn't lose too much money, you can root for them to win a 2008-09 championship in a functional league. :)

Anyway, aren't we about due for a Chuck News Network update on the "shrinking more rapidly than a wrestler coming off the juice" ABA 2007-08 schedule?

ABARedWhiteBlue

10-01-2007, 11:21 PM

tbayz1

10-02-2007, 05:17 AM

Wow havent I said before that the ABA wont put this thing out until October like last year, well here we are in October, at this rate, they might not release something until very late October or early November, that would be hilarious

Chuck the Writer

10-02-2007, 06:27 AM

As we head closer to deadline, it is now Tuesday, October 2, 2007. We are now 31 days away from the opening day tipoff. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

The Maywood Buzz seem to be the only squad playing the Pasadena Push at the moment. Maywood apparently is no longer playing Beijing for 2007-08.

Pasadena has been added to the official roster, but they have no website yet.

Buffalo is still on the 2007-08 roster, despite a phone call I made to the front office yesterday (yes, I can call an ABA team and get information, it's not exclusively an a1sports thing). The person I spoke to (receptionist) said that the Silverbacks were sitting out the 07-08 campaign; she then transferred me to another person who confirmed the same. So we have teams in the Eastern Divisions that are scheduled to play both the Buffalo Silverbacks and the Virginia Ballerz (who aren't even on the 07-08 list).

So as of October 2, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold.

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (20):

Boston Blizzard, Chicago Throwbacks, Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz (updated), Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Reno Sharpshooters, Rochester Fire, Sacramento Heatwave, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (21)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 5)
(NS=No Schedule - 10)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 1)
(NWP=No Webpage - 5)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (30 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS (if they're not playing this season, this is gonna screw up some Eastern division scheds real real bad)
Cicero Cometas USA NS (only lists first two games, home-and-home v Detroit)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Jacksonville Jam PS (just home dates, no opponents or road dates)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal NS (nothing either in English or in French)
Palm Beach Imperials LYS (I think the ABA's answer to Lyndon Larouche needs to stop worrying about his Presidential aspirations and get back to work on his team and getting a schedule up and running)
Pasadena Push NWP (Hey, let's join the ABA with 30 days left in the season)
Peoria Kings NS (at least they're announcing tryouts... a few days after the original calendar date)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (changed to a single splash page advertising ticket information, but nothing else)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Mississippi Miracles, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury, Tijuana Dragones, Virginia Ballerz

Fells

10-02-2007, 06:47 AM

Good Lord, this is getting worse by the minute.

TheStandard

10-02-2007, 09:09 AM

Hey Chris what is Brad's excuse now? He's an incompetent fool. He can't handle things because of Joe he should get up look at joe and toss him the keyboard and walk away and take his behind back to Lowes where things are stable.

Team fold, leave, cancel, so why bother putting deadlines for a schedule when that old booger of Joe adds teams and teams leave and teams don't agree on schedules.

He may have his hands tied and why? Because he doesn't have the cojones to their so called mandates.

preeths

10-02-2007, 09:44 AM

Mr. Hester can't stop the CEO from adding teams any more than most of us can stop their bosses from doing anything. He also doesn't own any teams, so he can't keep any from limping away. If Mr. Hester wants to continue to be paid by the ABA, he has to do what he's told by the boss, even if he objects to it, and deal with situations beyond his control. He's no more incompetent than anyone else who's ever had to do something they've disliked because of questionable decisions made by superiors. In the end, what can Mr. Hester do? He can't take over the league or countermand one of Mr. Newman's decisions. If he wants to stay with the ABA, he does what Mr. Newman directs him to do, period. Unfortunate, yes. Incompetent, no. Foolish, maybe.

TheStandard

10-02-2007, 10:50 AM

Sorry Paul he is incompetent in the role that he is doing because of his foolish, incompetent, inept, idiotic Step Father of his aka Joe Newman. A professional league (HENCE THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO TAKE THE ABA OUT OF THE BOARDS OR DOWNGRADE IT TO SOMETHING LESS THAN A PRO LEAGUE) would have had all things said and done. (Do not mention the PBL please note: 2008 season is DEAD) Look at the CBA look at the D-League. Even the BSN which always has their schedule out 75 days before the season starts knows that schedules are one part of the key elements to keep a league running well.

This league with a 63% completion rate is not a pro league it is an incompetent league. There is no competency in this league in general it starts with Joe it goes down to Brad and in the end it goes down to the teams.

Pounder

10-02-2007, 11:28 AM

OneBetter

10-02-2007, 11:40 AM

Philosophical question: is resigning and blubbering to the media the only competent thing to do here?

Does Hester have children? Will they be comfortable without food?

I'm not saying that quitting and shining light on the thing isn't the NOBLE thing to do. To a large degree, I could argue that the situation demands a whistleblower. Of course, you have to put yourself in those other shoes and consider the personal famine before you start volunteering people.

I say this because it seems to me this is the only logical conclusion to the direction of this conversation.

Why is he no different than any other human being in corporate America? If you have a crappy job, you start looking around for another job, and once you find one, you quit your current job. Then you're never out of work and famine is never an issue.

What IS an issue is his competence and qualifications. Could he find another job with comparable pay to his current one based on his education and experience? That may be why he's still at the ABA. Step-dad is paying him more than he's worth probably in the free market. That most likely is the real issue.

preeths

10-02-2007, 12:09 PM

Or he wants to be involved in sports. For many, that's a huge draw, and they will actually sacrifice salary or benefits to do something they enjoy more.

Standard, you are arguing the league is incompetent and the CEO is incompetent, but you cannot by extension argue that everyone associated with the league in any way is incompetent. You can argue that they've made a poor choice, but incompetence requires much more than that. There are a lot of good people trying to make a positive difference in bad organizations.

TheStandard

10-02-2007, 12:11 PM

Brad gets paid to be part of the biggest mess up in sports. I don't blame him for taking the money just that he can't do this job the right way due to the incompetency of the league itself.

a1sports

10-02-2007, 12:29 PM

I have spoken with Brad, nice guy, sure he is. Convinced by Joe to take this current Job, yes. Knows what he is doing? The needle points to somewhere between incompetent and somewhat competent.

Side note:
As told to me by a few play-off teams last year. Brad would listen to one owner how to structure the playoffs, say Ok, then listen to another owner of how to struture the play-offs and say , Ok. Then Do what Joe tells him to do.

"price check in ailse 7, water heaters" Now that Brad knows.

Dragon

10-02-2007, 12:49 PM

A1, as has been proven the case many, many times your stating that you have called this person or that person is questionable at best. There have been countless posts of yours where you have made these claims and they turn out to be untrue more often than not. Why would Brad share any information with you at all?

preeths

10-02-2007, 01:28 PM

Side note:
As told to me by a few play-off teams last year. Brad would listen to one owner how to structure the playoffs, say Ok, then listen to another owner of how to struture the play-offs and say , Ok. Then Do what Joe tells him to do.

"price check in ailse 7, water heaters" Now that Brad knows.

Of course he's going to do what Mr. Newman tells him to do. Mr. Newman is his superior, team owners are not. I don't doubt that at times Mr. Hester has probably agreed with a team owner or two, only to be told things would be done differently. Perhaps Mr. Hester argued vehemently for the owner's position, but in the end had to do what he was told. We don't know, and we shouldn't cast aspersions on anyone for situations that are outside their control. Brad Hester is a league employee who does not call all the shots.

tbayz1

10-02-2007, 01:36 PM

Eh Chuck ya beat me to it, I forgot to post that Buffalo is sitting out, I found out a few days ago in a phone call, its for the better of the team, you cannot be sucessful by having 5 weeks to do so, our new owner has been an entertainment promoter for 25 years, a very sucessful one too, he owns a few large entertainment clubs that are very well known in Buffalo, and this company called "Concerts Plus" he also has alot of connections especially in the media, and most importantly he loves basketball, this team is going to turn it around and we are going to move foward. Yeah were not playing this year, but dont expect us to start in the summer of 08 to start with the team, its already happening, in January we'll be hitting up tons of schools and really being active in the community from what I understand, and it helps alot that player Modie Cox already has a great foundation and is doing well with his community program that will be adopted by Mr. Lesh, the new owner! Lesh said that his competative side wants him to play, but more importantly his business side says no because you cant be sucessful in this short time period. He knows his missing out on some good players that wanted to come back, but theres always players out there, and the good players go to the good franchises. And have head coach Richard Jacob back is great, he really was a great asset from the start of ABA Buffalo, and is a smart guy, especially since hes the Sports Management Director at a local college.

Lesh even said himself, a long time quote of his, and that is:

"Failure IS NOT an Option"

You think Buffalo was one of the better teams and did alot of things right, well its going to be even better!

Ill keep you guys posted!

Fells

10-02-2007, 03:27 PM

tbayz1

10-02-2007, 03:34 PM

Well put Fells, Joe is the only thing in Brad's way, wish he wasn't because things would be a lot different, I believe he actually told the new Buffalo owner that he advised not playing this year because of the short time period.

TheStandard

10-02-2007, 04:12 PM

and I bet Brad got scolded by Joe for saying hey Buffalo play later

OneBetter

10-02-2007, 04:47 PM

Brad is a man who simply does as he is told. From the countless discussions I have had with Brad, he is doing what he thinks is best for the league. The problem, as has been stated countless times is that it is the man in charge who dictates what can and cannot be done.

Do you think for a second that Brad wants all of this? Of course he doesn't. If he had his way he would have stable teams, teams that did not leave at the drop of a hat, and a schedule that could be set months instead of hours ahead of time. The reason all of this happens points straight at Joe Newman. Newman calls the shots and he is the one who makes the moronic decisions that he does. Again, Brad is an employee and does as he is told.

And if you're the employee of a company and categorically disagree with the decisions of your boss time and time again, then that should maybe tell you that you're working for the wrong company and that it's time to move on.

He's not imprisioned. He is free to leave. If he continues to stay and work for the ABA year after year, that by default is an endorsement by him of the league and its policies.

I state again, if he really disagrees with the actions by the league CEO, he needs to look for another job. Now, the question is why he hasn't done this. Is he too scared to leave since it's his father-in-law that's the boss (family tension) or is it that he's being paid way above market value for his talents? It's probably one of those two. If he really loves sports, then he could go work for another league, albeit for much less money. So really, there's no excuse. I'd give him a free pass if this was his first or even second year, but now he's a veteran of the league office and knows better.

preeths

10-02-2007, 04:53 PM

Mr. Newman is Mr. Hester's step-father, not father-in-law. This is just speculation, but maybe Mr. Hester sees the possibility for change of one kind or another, and that's why he's sticking it out. Let's remember that Mr. Newman is 70 years old. Who knows how long he even wants to do this. If he could get the right exit deal, it might be tempting to start enjoying retirement. BTW, I think this is Mr. Hester's second year, so he should still be eligible for that free pass.

ABARedWhiteBlue

10-02-2007, 04:55 PM

I'd give him a free pass if this was his first or even second year, but now he's a veteran of the league office and knows better.

Brad was announced as VP on June 5, 2006, so it is his second year:
http://www.abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2006060506002

OneBetter

10-02-2007, 05:03 PM

Alright, then we'll see how this year goes. I think after two years on any job you should have a very good idea if it's a good fit for you or not. You should also have a feel for the direction of the company by then as well.

Paul S

10-02-2007, 06:50 PM

You can't blame Brad for his step-dads wacky little league.

Its actually what I would do too if I was Joe. You need some help, hire a family member and share the wealth, you've got instantly loyalty and someone who isn't gonna run after the first irate phone call.

The thing Brad needs to delineate is................am I an employee, or am I an executive who can make executive decisions.

I have no idea personally if he is the lacky who empties the garbage in the basement office or a guy who has carte blanche' on the schedule and other issues.

Irregardless (which is a word by the way) I hope Brad can right this ship. Its sinking and its Not Funny

The Magician

10-02-2007, 11:26 PM

Mr. Hester can't stop the CEO from adding teams any more than most of us can stop their bosses from doing anything.

is right, the ABA VP of Operations is not making the shots.

The ABA CEO is ... although, shooting over the backboard everytime.

If you had the opportunity to listen to last Saturday's ABA Live All Access Show ...

http://www.audiosportsonline.net/ABA/AllAccess.htm?abalive

Charles Key pretty much confirmed what the goal of the ABA is ...

(As many of you OSC posters already know too well)

And that's to accept as many market reservations as possible, with the hope that they get a few good owners each year who will stay in the league, while all the other not-so-successful organizations will just disappear from the league itself.

The thing is ... The ABA is currently, and has been, failing miserably at retaining a solid % of valueable ownership groups.

A good# of teams depart the ABA for other destinations, because they see the ABA for what it really is ...

And it's not about the game of basketball!

Chuck the Writer

10-05-2007, 06:12 AM

As we head closer to deadline, it is now Friday, October 5, 2007. We are now 28 days away from the opening day tipoff. Four weeks away. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

The Peoria Kings have finally pasted their sched on their site. In the original draft, they were scheduled for only 20 games (including 7 home dates). Things have changed a smidge, they now have a 36 (18-18) schedule. There are some conflicts, though - how are they going to play the Panthers in Detroit on Dec 30 when Detroit's already got the Throwbacks on their sched for that same day?

The Montreal Royal have only posted their home dates, no road dates, on their site.

The Palm Beach Imperials' website is now off-line. Wonder how that plays on the Presidential trail? Essentially this now means there are six franchises with no website.

So as of October 5, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold.

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (21):

Boston Blizzard, Chicago Throwbacks, Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Peoria Kings, Reno Sharpshooters, Rochester Fire, Sacramento Heatwave, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (20)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 4)
(NS=No Schedule - 19)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 2)
(NWP=No Webpage - 6)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (30 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Buffalo Silverbacks LYS (if they're not playing this season, this is gonna screw up some Eastern division scheds real real bad)
Cicero Cometas USA NS (only lists first two games, home-and-home v Detroit)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Jacksonville Jam PS (just home dates, no opponents or road dates)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal PS (home dates listed)
Palm Beach Imperials NWP (offline as of Oct 5)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (changed to a single splash page advertising ticket information, but nothing else)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Kentucky Retros, Mississippi Miracles, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury, Tijuana Dragones, Virginia Ballerz

Chuck the Writer

10-10-2007, 07:19 AM

As we head closer to deadline, it is now Wednesday, October 10, 2007. We are now 23 days away from the opening day tipoff. Three weeks away. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

Jacksonville and Buffalo have been "un-personed" from the ABA website. Again, this scrambles up the schedule. Orlando, Corning and Hawaii have Jam games still on their sched, while games against the Silverbacks include Boston, Strong Island, Syracuse, Jersey and Corning.

The Palm Beach Imperials' website is now off-line. Wonder how that plays on the Presidential trail? Essentially this now means there are six franchises with no website.

So as of October 10, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold.

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (21):

Boston Blizzard, Chicago Throwbacks, Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes, Jersey Express, Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces, Peoria Kings, Reno Sharpshooters, Rochester Fire, Sacramento Heatwave, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz, Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (18)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 4)
(NS=No Schedule - 19)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 2)
(NWP=No Webpage - 6)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (30 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Cicero Cometas USA NS (only lists first two games, home-and-home v Detroit)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal PS (home dates listed)
Palm Beach Imperials NWP (offline as of Oct 5)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (changed to a single splash page advertising ticket information, but nothing else)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Buffalo Silverbacks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Jacksonville Jam, Kentucky Retros, Mississippi Miracles, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury, Tijuana Dragones, Virginia Ballerz

Chuck the Writer

10-10-2007, 05:19 PM

As we head closer to deadline, it is now Wednesday, October 10, 2007. We are now 23 days away from the opening day tipoff. Three weeks away. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

With the removal of Jacksonville and Buffalo from the schedule, I will now start listing teams who still have games against those squads with "B" for Buffalo, "J" for Jacksonville and "V" for Virginia (which for some reason still exists on some rosters).

Jacksonville and Buffalo have been "un-personed" from the ABA website. Again, this scrambles up the schedule. Orlando, Corning and Hawaii have Jam games still on their sched, while games against the Silverbacks include Boston, Syracuse, Jersey and Corning.

Strong Island and Manchester have released reviseds schedule on their websites that are Buffalo-free, Virginia-free and Jacksonville-free.

The Palm Beach Imperials' website is still off-line. Wonder how that plays on the Presidential trail? Essentially this now means there are six franchises with no website.

The Cicero Cometas USA have added their schedule, which includes - "The Chi-Town Inferno?!?"

So as of October 10, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold.

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (21):

Boston Blizzard, Chicago Throwbacks, Cicero Cometas USA, Corning Bulldogs (BJV), Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (J), Jersey Express (V), Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces (J), Peoria Kings, Reno Sharpshooters, Rochester Fire, Sacramento Heatwave, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz (BV), Texas Tycoons

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (18)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 4)
(NS=No Schedule - 19)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 2)
(NWP=No Webpage - 6)

Anderson Champions NS (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision NS (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show NWP (30 days to go and no website?)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian LYS (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Chi-Town Inferno NS (another team to join the league three weeks before tip-off... wowie)
First State Fusion NS (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies NS (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers NS (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Monterrey Veneno NS (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal PS (home dates listed)
Palm Beach Imperials NWP (offline as of Oct 5)
Quebec Kebekwa LYS (changed to a single splash page advertising ticket information, but nothing else)
Rome Legions NS (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints NWP (nothing under either name)
Vermont Frost Heaves LYS (I would have figured at LEAST the Frost Heaves would have a schedule up...)
West Texas Whirlwinds NWP (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms NWP (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Buffalo Silverbacks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Jacksonville Jam, Kentucky Retros, Mississippi Miracles, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury, Tijuana Dragones, Virginia Ballerz

misenern

10-10-2007, 05:36 PM

The Rainmen haven't updated their site since September 24th.

tbayz1

10-10-2007, 05:43 PM

The schedule just keeps getting worse

Brad must be going absolutely nuts! Joe keeps adding teams, teams leaving for other leagues, absolute MESS!!

Paul S

10-10-2007, 07:10 PM

See in Joes' head he simply replaces a departed team (like Jacksonville) with another team (like Chi-Town)

So down in the depths of Connies' house Joe simply says "the Jacksonville Jax can F___ off" and on his spread sheet simply removes team A and replaces it with team B.

Problem solved. Right?

WRONG Joe, wrong. Brad will be rolling his eyes and moaning. You see whilst Joe thinks its easy to replace Chi-town in place of Jacksonville our man Corning has a team flying into Jax and then Orlando. So now Brad has to either break the good news to James that his lawn mowing neighbor may have to watch the house a day longer or Brad has to re-configure the whole schedule ............................again, seeing as James and the Bulldogs can't go from Orlando to Chi-Town then on to Delaware.

Now throw in the fact that Tom Chichest06er has to find a ref in Chicago instead of Jax.

One of the problems with Joe "judgement to the plaintiff" Newman is he tends to talk in broad catch-phrases', buzz-words and slogans borrowed from business books he's checked out of the Anderson library. When Brad comes to him and says we need to re-do the whole schedule and it might be difficult for some teams Joe will respond "Don't tell me it can't be done, show me ways in which we can do it" Sounds good on paper but in practicum it is nigh impossible.

He doesn't grasp the bigger picture. Oh well, some poor sap in Halifax, Honolulu or Chi-town just got told he has 2 weeks to book 10 players, a coach and an assistant on a trip to Jacksonville. and ahhhhh neither Southwest and Amtrak don't go to Halifax or Honolulu, so it won't be cheap.

The Magician

10-10-2007, 09:37 PM

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (18)
(LYS=Last Year's Schedule - 4)
(NS=No Schedule - 19)
(PS=Partial Schedule - 2)
(NWP=No Webpage - 6)

Palm Beach Imperials NWP (offline as of Oct 5)

Latest is that the Palm Beach Imperials have been removed from the ABA schedule ...

nksports

10-11-2007, 12:43 AM

Latest is that the Palm Beach Imperials have been removed from the ABA schedule ...

I guess a papal knighthood and 50 cents may buy a cup of coffee, but it won't run a minor-league basketball team.

TheStandard

10-11-2007, 01:51 AM

The Papal Liar is just another broke bum who says hes a Knight but he really is a Dungeons and Dragons player

Minor League Man

10-11-2007, 03:53 PM

http://www.vermontfrostheaves.com/schedule/

18 home, 18 away...Plus no suspended/defunct/moved to other league teams!

Alumni96

10-11-2007, 06:38 PM

Did you expect anything less? The smart teams will only schedule teams they're think can make it.

tbayz1

10-11-2007, 06:57 PM

Vermont has quite a few games against the Boston Blizzard.........

Chuck the Writer

10-12-2007, 05:29 AM

As we head closer to deadline, it is now Friday, October 12, 2007. We are now 21 days away from the opening day tipoff. Three weeks away. So what's the latest in terms of schedule-surfing?

Vermont has added their schedule to their website, but there are some issues. See, the Frost Heaves play in two cities (Barre and Burlington), and some of the opposing team schedules show games being played in Barre when the Heaves are supposed to be hosting in Burlington, and verse visa. There are also two dates against Halifax that don't match the Rainmen's schedule.

Corning has corrected their schedule - gone are Virginia and Buffalo home & road contests, as well as Jacksonville and Orlando road games, but the Georgia Gwizzlies are coming to Corning for a home game.

Quebec finally fixed their page, and have added their home and road schedules. They also have some dates against Halifax and Vermont that don't match properly. This is going to happen, unfortunately, when you have 39 teams and a schedule that's still being blocked out.

With the removal of Jacksonville and Buffalo from the schedule, I will now start listing teams who still have games against those squads with "B" for Buffalo, "J" for Jacksonville and "V" for Virginia (which for some reason still exists on some rosters).

Jacksonville and Buffalo have been "un-personed" from the ABA website. Again, this scrambles up the schedule. Orlando and Hawaii have Jam games still on their sched, while games against the Silverbacks include Boston, Syracuse and Jersey.

So as of October 12, here's where we stand with teams posting their official schedules - new updates in bold.

TEAMS WITH 2007-08 SCHEDULES ON THEIR WEBSITES (24):

Boston Blizzard, Chicago Throwbacks, Cicero Cometas USA, Corning Bulldogs, Detroit Panthers, Halifax Rainmen, Hawaii Hurricanes (J), Jersey Express (V), Long Beach Breakers, Manchester Millrats, Maywood Buzz, Orange County Gladiators, Orlando Aces (J), Quebec Kebekwa, Peoria Kings, Reno Sharpshooters, Rochester Fire, Sacramento Heatwave, San Diego Wildcats, St. Louis Stunners, Strong Island Sound, Syracuse Raging Bullz (BV), Texas Tycoons, Vermont Frost Heaves

TEAMS WITH NO SCHEDULE ON THEIR WEBSITES: (15)

Anderson Champions (annoying MySpace page, hard to read)
Atlanta Vision (associates this ABA with 1970's ABA)
Bahama Pro Show (website listed on abalive.com, but http://www.bahamallproshow.com goes to a dead link - great way to start your season)
Beijing Aoshen Olympian (still announcing "2006-07 Schedule coming soon!")
Chi-Town Inferno (another team to join the league three weeks before tip-off... wowie ... and no website)
First State Fusion (dead link to schedule page)
Georgia Gwizzlies (couldn't find anything even resembling a schedule)
Houston Takers (another annoying MySpace page with faded background, hard to read)
Monterrey Veneno (nothing out there)
Montreal Royal (home dates listed only)
Palm Beach Imperials (offline as of Oct 5)
Rome Legions (about the only thing I can say positive about this team is that their website is back up)
San Francisco Rumble or Saints (nothing under either name)
West Texas Whirlwinds (what has this team's entire existence been? A press release and a nickname?)
Westchester Phantoms (I got nothing... nothing... )

TEAMS DELETED FROM 2007-08 SEASON LIST:

Arkansas Fantasticks, Buffalo Silverbacks, Flint Tropics, Henderson All-Starz, Jacksonville Jam, Kentucky Retros, Mississippi Miracles, Quad Cities Riverhawks, Rock River Fury, Tijuana Dragones, Virginia Ballerz