CBA Schedule Out NOW!!

[Chuck the Writer]

Hey gang, the new CBA schedule is out now!

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3517939

By the way... Other than the D-League and the CBA... what other winter minor league basketball circuits have THEIR schedule out? ;)

[The Magician]

You Go CBA!

[psbf]

begin on Friday, Novermber 16th;
I like the Division alignment.The first games are; Atlanta at Albany; Minot at Butte; Great Falls at Yakama and I eagerly await, East Kentucky at THE XPLOSION!!

[PHXfan]

I would definetly have to say that I am very impressed with the CBA and the direction that they are heading. If they can maintain this level or progress for the rest of the season and carry over into next, I believe the CBA will have a very bright future to COME!

[rider]

You got to admire them for putting out the schedule and not chasing dreams and more teams. I am not really a CBA fan but getting it done early provides large credibility.

You have to believe that the PBL is in trouble as every day goes by without confirmed teams and buildings. You need time to make things happen! They are strugggling! I strongly wish them the best and they are my favorites to succeed but as every day goes by its doubtful.

[dbaproball]

You got to admire them for putting out the schedule and not chasing dreams and more teams. I am not really a CBA fan but getting it done early provides large credibility.

You have to believe that the PBL is in trouble as every day goes by without confirmed teams and buildings. You need time to make things happen! They are strugggling! I strongly wish them the best and they are my favorites to succeed but as every day goes by its doubtful.
Actually, I'm a fan of both leagues (CBA and PBL) and believe they both have the chance to become the most legitimate minor leagues. (I also predict some joint efforts between them in the near future.)

But I am curious, if the PBL were to announce all 8 to 14 of their teams, and release their schedule in, say, 2 weeks or even 3....would they get the kudos from you? It would seem that they should...afterall, the CBA has had a 62 year headstart!!!

The best thing that the CBA has done (and I believe what the PBL is doing as well) is controlling growth with well funded and planned organizations. That is ultimately why they both will persist. Contrast that with what is going on elsewhere.

[rider]

I would say yes to your question if the PBl were to announce all of teams in the next two weeks and have confirmed leases in credible buildings plus staff in place. I really like the direction they are going and want them to succeed. I question whether it is wise or realistic for any franchise in any league to "pull the Trigger" in August for a start up in November or January. Would you invest your money and start from scratch 6 months prior to kick off? I also have my real reservations about the wisdom to play a 12 home and 12 away game schedule. I don't believe the fans have enough time to "get on board" and who wants to "jump" on board in January or February. Most fans have already committed their interest patterns for the year.

I suggest that they might be wise to start play October 30, 2008 and be throughly prepared. The teams committed by October 1,2007 and staff in place.That would give them a solid year to be ready! Six months doesn't cut it! Unless your talking a $200,000.00 dollar ABA budget. If your your doing the real thing their budgets to be credible should be $1.5 million or don't play.

Please don't accept my comments as being negative as I want the PBL to succeed! They are making every effort to do it right, but the experience level simply is not their! Very little reference point except the ABA!

[dbaproball]

I would say yes to your question if the PBl were to announce all of teams in the next two weeks and have confirmed leases in credible buildings plus staff in place. I really like the direction they are going and want them to succeed. I question whether it is wise or realistic for any franchise in any league to "pull the Trigger" in August for a start up in November or January. Would you invest your money and start from scratch 6 months prior to kick off? I also have my real reservations about the wisdom to play a 12 home and 12 away game schedule. I don't believe the fans have enough time to "get on board" and who wants to "jump" on board in January or February. Most fans have already committed their interest patterns for the year.

I suggest that they might be wise to start play October 30, 2008 and be throughly prepared. The teams committed by October 1,2007 and staff in place.That would give them a solid year to be ready! Six months doesn't cut it! Unless your talking a $200,000.00 dollar ABA budget. If your your doing the real thing their budgets to be credible should be $1.5 million or don't play.

Please don't accept my comments as being negative as I want the PBL to succeed! They are making every effort to do it right, but the experience level simply is not their! Very little reference point except the ABA!
The question of whether there has been enough time to prepare is certainly a valid one, though I do know that there has been a lot of behind the scenes work not yet made public, and some of that planning goes back many months. Planning for a 10 team league is certainly easier than doing it for a 50 team league, but that doesn't diminish your point. 24 games + playoffs is more of a financial decision I think. The truth is that no money is made by anyone (and lots is spent) in December. I know there is a lot of debate about a Jan 1 regular season start (and who knows who's right), but i can see the case both ways.

I would disagree that a $1.5 million budget is required. Or, maybe more accurately, I would say that a $1.5 million budget is not sustainable in the leagues we're talking about. It is really market dependent of course, but the realities of the revenues available don't match up. Those are D league numbers (with players making alot more), and the D league teams are running with significant losses. You are being very kind to assume 200k ABA budgets. Many are much, much lower. Based on my informal research, my estimate is that the average CBA (and PBL) budgets are/will be similar when normalized per game and probably average 300k to 500k annually, all things considered. (My CBA data is only as fresh as a year or two ago. If you have other data, please share.) I want both leagues (PBL and CBA) to be successfull as well. If both can pull off a trouble free year, I see some possibilities for them to do more together (whatever that means.) Time will tell. Point taken on the ABA as a point of reference.....we can only hope that common sense, a solid plan, and business savvy prevail...things the ABA didn't have.

[one way]

I think your average CBA budget is between 700-800 thousand. Your NBDL budget is 1.2-1.3 million. The one thing that troubles me about the PBL is that they are announcing cities for teams, but no venues. It sounds like they are starting to do things on the cheap. I think everyone thinks that it is easy to start and run a league, but it think that it is becoming evident to the PBL that it is much harder that it appears.

[dbaproball]

I'll take your word on the budgets...they come in a higher (CBA)/lower (NBDL) that what I have seen or been shown, but I can't be certain my sample is representative.

I'm just curious. What PBL teams have been announced without venues? I have not looked at every press release, but the core group of teams I have seen announced do have venues. I can't say of course if they have contracts in hand. Reading and Dallas are the "expansion" teams...both reference venues in their PRs. Rochester, Wilmington, Maryland,and Minnesota I would guess are playing where they did last year. There are some "phantom teams" still implied on their website...do you refer to those? If so, the biggest problem that I see is that there are only 6 teams, not so much that things have been done on the cheap.

[bectond]

. Based on my informal research, my estimate is that the average CBA budgets are/will be similar when normalized per game and probably average 300k to 500k annually, all things considered. (My CBA data is only as fresh as a year or two ago. If you have other data, please share.) .

If a CBA team operated at the bare minium, the budget would still exceed 750,000 per season.
NBDL players make about the same amount as CBA players do and the NBA pays the salaries not the affiliate teams.

It's funny how bad it has become due to the Newmanist, now days when a schedule is released on time it is celebrated as if it were an accomplishment.

[dbaproball]

If a CBA team operated at the bare minium, the budget would still exceed 750,000 per season.
NBDL players make about the same amount as CBA players do and the NBA pays the salaries not the affiliate teams.

It's funny how bad it has become due to the Newmanist, now days when a schedule is released on time it is celebrated as if it were an accomplishment.
If a CBA team operated at the bare minium, the budget would still exceed 750,000 per season.

...i'll have to take your word here. I have essentially one team from two seasons ago that I have knowledge of.

NBDL players make about the same amount as CBA players do and the NBA pays the salaries not the affiliate teams.

...I don't believe this (pay being the same) is true on average, but I will dig up what i have on the subject and post it before speaking too definitively.

I have seen the NBDL prospectus as recently as Spring, and, while the NBA technically pays the players, the salaries essentially come out of the annual league fees paid by the teams.

[bectond]

NBDL Salary structure:

2 players earn 24,000 or 1200 a week
2 players earn 18,000 or 900 a week
6 players earn 14,000 or 700 a week

CBA players make between 500-1250 a week, with a cap at 120,000.

D-League players never sign contracts with D-League teams. They sign with the NBA. Therefore, D-League players work for the NBA not the affiliate teams. Both the NBDL and the CBA require their teams pay monthly dues both of which pay for admin. services.

[dbaproball]

NBDL Salary structure:

2 players earn 24,000 or 1200 a week
2 players earn 18,000 or 900 a week
6 players earn 14,000 or 700 a week

CBA players make between 500-1250 a week, with a cap at 120,000.

D-League players never sign contracts with D-League teams. They sign with the NBA. Therefore, D-League players work for the NBA not the affiliate teams. Both the NBDL and the CBA require their teams pay monthly dues both of which pay for admin. services.
Thanks Bectond. I am sure your numbers are right, but I think that the mere ranges you provide for the CBA rosters actually explain the differences in what we have seen "on the ground," so to speak. If all of the CBA teams are reaching the cap (I don't know whether they are or not), then the average pay as you point out would be the same. We have just seen more $500/week players out of the CBA, as compared to the ~$1000/week D-leaguer. That could be for a variety of factors.

[one way]

This probably should be on the PBL link, but getting back to my question. Where is the PBL Dallas playing? They were announced with no web site, coach or venue

[dbaproball]

This probably should be on the PBL link, but getting back to my question. Where is the PBL Dallas playing? They were announced with no web site, coach or venue
Their PR references the "Metroplex" as their venue, as well as a connection to SMU, which (without researching it) is where i assumed the "Metroplex" was. You're right though....no coach or website evident....but I think some big names may be involved here.

[psbf]

the CBA schedule was put out too early, as Rider insists. I admit to being surprised that it is out a bit earlier than I was told to expect it, but I'm glad to see it.
As far as the PBL, I want to see them do well, but they almost seem to be in a stall. In other words, nothing new has beeh reported in a while.

[Pounder]

SMU is actually surrounded by the city of Dallas, though in its own little city IIRC.

There seem to be a bevy of new facilities in the town of Frisco. Their indoor venue wouldn't surprise me... but someone better have one, any one, in pocket ASAP.

BTW... just another point the ABA misses and the CBA gets this time is to always be pessimistic about when the schedule comes out, then at least act surprising by getting it out faster. Bectond is probably right here, but it's often the way things are presented that matters.

[panchess]

..so I would assume the rookie gets the minimum salary.

I also understand that lodging is typically included in CBA contracts, and isn't part of the cap.