Shockwave to leave NIFL

[gridirontime]

Shockwave's successful first season ends

Will leave NIFL; join another league for 2008 season



Tuesday, July 24th, San Diego, California


The Shockwave, who finished their inaugural regular season 10 -1, fully expected begin their quest for an NIFL championship. Instead, they're packing their bags and heading home. "While we're extremely disappointed, we're deeply appreciative for the unwavering support of our fans and sponsors - we will be back," vowed team owner Robert Sprowls.


As champs of the Pacific West Division and the Pacific Conference of the NIFL, the Shockwave were fully expecting a run at the championship. "We wanted this championship for not only our fans, sponsors, players, but for our staff too," commented Sprowls. "We've all worked too hard this year for this to happen. But unfortunately, it's out of our control. The dysfunctional nature of the NIFL has put us all in this position."

However, Sprowls vows that the team will return, continuing to play the high-energy style of Shockwave football next season at Cox Arena, albeit in a different league. The Shockwave are examining the likes of af2 (the league the former San Diego Riptide played in), AIFA and UIF.



"We owe it to our dedicated fans, sponsors, players and staff," said Sprowls, who purchased expansion rights to San Diego last September. "We've had an extremely successful season and are developing a good fan base. We only lost one game, have a great product on and off the field and people like indoor football. We're going to keep playing."



The aformentioned leagues are calling, hoping to entice the Shockwave and their potent offense and stifling defense to join for the 2008 season. Please stay tuned by visiting www.sandiegoshockwave.com or calling (877) SHOCWAV - (877)746.2928 for more information. And thank you again for all of your support!

There you have it straight from their website. :mrgreen:

[Minor League Man]

It's official...the NIFL (if they play next year) will be a COMPLETE joke in 2008...NO legit owners.

[Big Easy]

The League was already a joke. A few owners/organizations gave it the little bit of life it had. Now that they're gone it's dead. It's been a joke for some time now....now it's just deceased. I don't mean to split hairs....I understand what you are saying....but rather than say it's now a joke....I think it's more appropriate to say it's dead.

[Minor League Man]

The League was already a joke. A few owners/organizations gave it the little bit of life it had. Now that they're gone it's dead. It's been a joke for some time now....now it's just deceased. I don't mean to split hairs....I understand what you are saying....but rather than say it's now a joke....I think it's more appropriate to say it's dead.
I think CS and CG will try to milk out another season...But all the teams will be league-owned...Spring 2008 we have a brain dead league...but in the middle of that season it will be deceased...

[guardnoize]

Well being that SD fans/players/CG up here has stated numerous times that the Guard was "scared to play" them even though the reason was that they were IN the NIFL and we were OUT of the NIFL...Maybe now, if they REALLY believed that, they could talk the Sprowls twins into coming to the AIFA--where we already are, as we don;t hide from nobody--and voila! we are in the same league again and will be happy to wax that behind....let's see if they put their money where there mouth is and join the AIFA where they know the Guard is and we can get it on like Donkey Kong...if not, then we know who is scared....tick tock

[SignGuyDino]

Here's a different story: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20070725-9999-1s25shock.html

...host Fayetteville (N.C) beat Wyoming 48-34 on July 14 in an unofficial bowl game that was the only postseason game between NIFL clubs.


So since that was the only postseason games between NIFL clubs, the Guard are the champs, the Calvary are runners up.

[exit322]

I don't know - would the IFL be the best choice amongst that group of leagues the Shockwave are talking with?

[AllAces]

I think that San Diego has proven itself as an asset that any league would want. The good news is that they are all contacting San Diego to recruit them.

Getting into a league is like buying a house - everything is negotiable. I promise they will not have to pay the full "advertised" fees for joining. Now all they need to do is negotiate the best deal with thier best option.

Good luck!

[gridirontime]

Here's a different story: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20070725-9999-1s25shock.html




So since that was the only postseason games between NIFL clubs, the Guard are the champs, the Calvary are runners up.

So from that article you determined that the game between the Guard and Cavs was a true NIFL championship?
That would go against the grain with all you fellow Guardsmen and Cav fans, you know considering they were kicked out of the NIFL before the game was ever played.

But hey I done with that topic and will try and move on without another reaction to it.

The real question here is and I'm looking for some answers here or help, Is who is the closest affliated league other than the AFL2? Could some one help me out ?
Thanks

[baydaddy77]

So from that article you determined that the game between the Guard and Cavs was a true NIFL championship?
That would go against the grain with all you fellow Guardsmen and Cav fans, you know considering they were kicked out of the NIFL before the game was ever played.

But hey I done with that topic and will try and move on without another reaction to it.

The real question here is and I'm looking for some answers here or help, Is who is the closest affliated league other than the AFL2? Could some one help me out ?
Thanks

All you need to do is go to the League Maps link on the left side of this page. Paul has spent numerous hours compiling this information. That will give you the "current" setup of teams. Keep in mind however, the league teams are subject to change during the off-season. Given that, the Shockwave front office may be privy to more accurate information than you'll be able to attain.

Good Luck!

[guardnoize]

So from that article you determined that the game between the Guard and Cavs was a true NIFL championship?
That would go against the grain with all you fellow Guardsmen and Cav fans, you know considering they were kicked out of the NIFL before the game was ever played.

But hey I done with that topic and will try and move on without another reaction to it.

The real question here is and I'm looking for some answers here or help, Is who is the closest affliated league other than the AFL2? Could some one help me out ?
Thanks

Let's be clear. Those teams RESIGNED from the NIFL, not kicked out. I was there when the paperwork went down.

[gridirontime]

All you need to do is go to the League Maps link on the left side of this page. Paul has spent numerous hours compiling this information. That will give you the "current" setup of teams. Keep in mind however, the league teams are subject to change during the off-season. Given that, the Shockwave front office may be privy to more accurate information than you'll be able to attain.

Good Luck!

Well after looking at the maps, it appears that the only true avenue for the Shockwave is the AFL 2.
Other than the Intense league all of these leagues seem to be on the East coast.

[SignGuyDino]

Some of us are going to consider them the NIFL champs because:

1. The Guard and Calvary played the ONLY postseason game between teams that were in the NIFL.

2. The NIFL itself won't even comment on the whole postseason scenario. Won't proclaim the Guard or the Shockwave as champs, or even co-champs, or simply say there is no champion. Could end the debate right there. They could announce their league is history that's what I'd care to hear about frankly...

I could care less about the NIFL, and I certainly could care less about the AIFL, whoops, AIFA, so some have their opinions, I have mine.

In abscense of an announcement from the NIFL, why not proclaim the Guard the champs?

Semantics? Perhaps. Sucks for the Shockwave? Definately. But this is the fault of the NIFL, not the teams.

It's all moot anyway as anyone with any sense believes this is finally the end of the NIFL. I just believe the two teams that paid the expense to play the only postseason games known from NIFL teams SHOULD be recognized as champions and runners-up, in the minds of fans.

[dirk diggler]

Touche!!!!

[gridirontime]

Some of us are going to consider them the NIFL champs because:

1. The Guard and Calvary played the ONLY postseason game between teams that were in the NIFL.

2. The NIFL itself won't even comment on the whole postseason scenario. Won't proclaim the Guard or the Shockwave as champs, or even co-champs, or simply say there is no champion. Could end the debate right there. They could announce their league is history that's what I'd care to hear about frankly...

I could care less about the NIFL, and I certainly could care less about the AIFL, whoops, AIFA, so some have their opinions, I have mine.

In abscense of an announcement from the NIFL, why not proclaim the Guard the champs?

Semantics? Perhaps. Sucks for the Shockwave? Definately. But this is the fault of the NIFL, not the teams.

It's all moot anyway as anyone with any sense believes this is finally the end of the NIFL. I just believe the two teams that paid the expense to play the only postseason games known from NIFL teams SHOULD be recognized as champions and runners-up, in the minds of fans.

Of course you like that, it gives you validation! but weren't you one of the ones proclaiming that the guard had left the nifl? So why do you want to be know as that leagues champion? Could you people in fayettville need some kind of validation? How interesting! :eek: :mrgreen:

[guardnoize]

What better example is there of needing validation than having the 3rd best record and begging the top two teams to play you?

And he isn't in Fayetteville, BTW.

[sportsguy12]

What better example is there of needing validation than having the 3rd best record and begging the top two teams to play you?

And he isn't in Fayetteville, BTW.

This thread is about San Diego joining another league. Not about some meaningless playoff between teams in a league doesn't play its game or its bills.

[slickfriction]

Well being that SD fans/players/CG up here has stated numerous times that the Guard was "scared to play" them even though the reason was that they were IN the NIFL and we were OUT of the NIFL...Maybe now, if they REALLY believed that, they could talk the Sprowls twins into coming to the AIFA--where we already are, as we don;t hide from nobody--and voila! we are in the same league again and will be happy to wax that behind....let's see if they put their money where there mouth is and join the AIFA where they know the Guard is and we can get it on like Donkey Kong...if not, then we know who is scared....tick tock

That is a ridiculous post. The San Diego Shockwave or any other viable franchise would not enter a league based solely on creating an opportunity to play one particular team. Had the NIFL not fallen apart and a play-off had been completed, San Diego would have at least had the opportunity to make it to the championship game. Due to the league's disfunctionality, we'll never get to know that and Fayatteville's self arranged, self-proclaimed championship will always be tainted due to not knowing whether they actually played the best team from the west. The AIFA is geographically undesirable for San Diego as there are ZERO teams out west other than Wyoming. The UIF is a superior league to the AIFA currently and that is most likely where San Diego will end up.

[guardnoize]

This thread is about San Diego joining another league. Not about some meaningless playoff between teams in a league doesn't play its game or its bills.

So it doesn't play its game or its bills huh? What bill were they supposed to PLAY? Idiot..LOL

[guardnoize]

That is a ridiculous post. The San Diego Shockwave or any other viable franchise would not enter a league based solely on creating an opportunity to play one particular team. Had the NIFL not fallen apart and a play-off had been completed, San Diego would have at least had the opportunity to make it to the championship game. Due to the league's disfunctionality, we'll never get to know that and Fayatteville's self arranged, self-proclaimed championship will always be tainted due to not knowing whether they actually played the best team from the west. The AIFA is geographically undesirable for San Diego as there are ZERO teams out west other than Wyoming. The UIF is a superior league to the AIFA currently and that is most likely where San Diego will end up.

Dude--anywhere--anytime...best fans from the owner to the fans down to the janitor--Fayetteville Guard. F San Diego...You think teh Chargers would even think TWICE at looking at any of those BUMS....It could be said that it's sad to live in a city where an AIFA team (or NIFL, AF2 whatever) is the only one you have but how sad and pathetic is it to live in one with an NFL team and be reduced to being a fan of an NIFL team???

LOLOLOL

[gridirontime]

Dude--anywhere--anytime...best fans from the owner to the fans down to the janitor--Fayetteville Guard. F San Diego...You think teh Chargers would even think TWICE at looking at any of those BUMS....It could be said that it's sad to live in a city where an AIFA team (or NIFL, AF2 whatever) is the only one you have but how sad and pathetic is it to live in one with an NFL team and be reduced to being a fan of an NIFL team???

LOLOLOL

Wow rightguard you always post with such dignity and grace! You thoughts about SD are ridiculous at best!
You had your chance at playing SD, but your ownership not San Diegos decided not to play them! So stop your little school yard bickering that your Dad is going beat up mine. It's over! Your the Champions of the preseason of 2008 AIFA. Congradulations from all of us here in San Diego!!!!!:mrgreen:

As to The Chargers we support our teams whether it's the Chargers or the Shockwave. It's all about putting a product on the field that competes!

As for challenging owners, fans , cheerleaders, janitors, and geeze throw your Mom in as well! :eek: Grow up!

This thread was about San Diego Moving out of the NIFL, it was not created for your rants and raves looking to validate your preseason victory! LOL!
So stop hijacking it with your validation claims. :mrgreen:

[gridirontime]

That is a ridiculous post. The San Diego Shockwave or any other viable franchise would not enter a league based solely on creating an opportunity to play one particular team. Had the NIFL not fallen apart and a play-off had been completed, San Diego would have at least had the opportunity to make it to the championship game. Due to the league's disfunctionality, we'll never get to know that and Fayatteville's self arranged, self-proclaimed championship will always be tainted due to not knowing whether they actually played the best team from the west. The AIFA is geographically undesirable for San Diego as there are ZERO teams out west other than Wyoming. The UIF is a superior league to the AIFA currently and that is most likely where San Diego will end up.

Very nice post Slick! 100% in agreement! :mrgreen:

[slickfriction]

Dude--anywhere--anytime...best fans from the owner to the fans down to the janitor--Fayetteville Guard. F San Diego...You think teh Chargers would even think TWICE at looking at any of those BUMS....It could be said that it's sad to live in a city where an AIFA team (or NIFL, AF2 whatever) is the only one you have but how sad and pathetic is it to live in one with an NFL team and be reduced to being a fan of an NIFL team???

LOLOLOL

As little sense as your comments make, as bad as your grammar is, and the fact that a majority of your posts consist of challenges, ridiculing, and chest pounding...you must be the janitor! By the way, Charger's players did the opening coin toss for three Shockwave games.

[AllAces]

That is a ridiculous post. The San Diego Shockwave or any other viable franchise would not enter a league based solely on creating an opportunity to play one particular team. Had the NIFL not fallen apart and a play-off had been completed, San Diego would have at least had the opportunity to make it to the championship game. Due to the league's disfunctionality, we'll never get to know that and Fayatteville's self arranged, self-proclaimed championship will always be tainted due to not knowing whether they actually played the best team from the west. The AIFA is geographically undesirable for San Diego as there are ZERO teams out west other than Wyoming. The UIF is a superior league to the AIFA currently and that is most likely where San Diego will end up.

I find it interesting that the UIF is on top of a list of possibilities. I agree that the UIF is superior, so if the geography works, great! I am intrigued to hear how this plays out.

[gridirontime]

As little sense as your comments make, as bad as your grammar is, and the fact that a majority of your posts consist of challenges, ridiculing, and chest pounding...you must be the janitor! By the way, Charger's players did the opening coin toss for three Shockwave games.

I'm not sure he's the janitor, he does claim to have been there when they resigned from the NIFL. Maybe he's the mail boy? Do they still have mail boy's? LOL

I hope that there will be some sort of annoucement about which league they pursuing. After looking at a map of the leagues you are right about the AIFA being way to far to join.

My next question is if Wyoming joined the AIFA and they took a bus ride from Wyoming to SD as part of the NIFL will they take long bus rides to the east coast also? ouch!

[dirk diggler]

I will say one thing in Guardnoize's defense....you guys keep saying "You wouldn't play SD but they wanted to play you"....if they played Wyoming--the best team in the West, what does a champ have to do, play ALL the teams UNDER them as well???

I mean should the Colts have gone back after Chicago and then played Seattle, and then Dallas and the NYG--and THEN they were the champs?? I dont get it--??

[slickfriction]

I will say one thing in Guardnoize's defense....you guys keep saying "You wouldn't play SD but they wanted to play you"....if they played Wyoming--the best team in the West, what does a champ have to do, play ALL the teams UNDER them as well???

I mean should the Colts have gone back after Chicago and then played Seattle, and then Dallas and the NYG--and THEN they were the champs?? I dont get it--??

I think you're missing the point. You had two teams arrange a game between one another and it was not sanctioned or approved by the league or any other objective entity other than the two teams themselves. Whether Wyoming or Fayetteville got kicked out or removed themselves from the league doesn't matter either. The point is that due to the fact that there was no actual play-off we'll never know if the best opponent would have been Wyoming or in fact San Diego. There was no objective entity involved to confirm that Wyoming was, in fact, the best in the west. The game between Fayetteville and Wyoming was self-arranged between those two teams...period. The only way to definitely conclude that Fayetteville played the best team would have been if there was a play-off game between Wyoming and San Diego and the winner of that game played Fayetteville. Everything else is simply speculation.

[slickfriction]

I'm not sure he's the janitor, he does claim to have been there when they resigned from the NIFL. Maybe he's the mail boy? Do they still have mail boy's? LOL

I hope that there will be some sort of annoucement about which league they pursuing. After looking at a map of the leagues you are right about the AIFA being way to far to join.

My next question is if Wyoming joined the AIFA and they took a bus ride from Wyoming to SD as part of the NIFL will they take long bus rides to the east coast also? ouch!

Gridiron,

I know for a fact that the owners of San Diego will be meeting with UIF within the next few weeks. To make it happen additional teams will have to be created in the west. Here is a list of cities legitimately interested in putting teams into the UIF in addition to San Diego:

Prescott, AZ
San Bernardino, CA
Los Angeles, CA

This would create a division consisting of San Diego, Billings, Colorado, Prescott, San Bernardino, and Los Angeles.

[guardnoize]

These guys are nuts....

"we'll never know if the best opponent would have been Wyoming or in fact San Diego"

But we KNOW that Fayetteville was the best team overall...BTW, didn't Wyoming beat SD and we beat Wyoming?? Or am I wrong??

It matters GREATLY whether or not they left or were kicked out.....Leaving on your own implies you are the legit organization in this case....KICKING them out implies that the LEAGUE is the legit entity...

Who needed who?

Whose logo is STILL on whose website?

Based on that alone, the NIFL even considers us part of the NIFL apparently--in a roundabout sort of way, there is your sanction--not that we give a rats a$$

[preeths]

What's clear is playoff or not, the Guard won the East. We'll simply never know with the West, as both San Diego and Wyoming could make a claim for the top spot. In the end, Fayetteville chose to play Wyoming. That doesn't make San Diego any weaker, but they just weren't invited to the dance.

[guardnoize]

It just makes them weaker than the Guard...IF Wyoming beat SD....

[slickfriction]

These guys are nuts....

"we'll never know if the best opponent would have been Wyoming or in fact San Diego"

But we KNOW that Fayetteville was the best team overall...BTW, didn't Wyoming beat SD and we beat Wyoming?? Or am I wrong??

It matters GREATLY whether or not they left or were kicked out.....Leaving on your own implies you are the legit organization in this case....KICKING them out implies that the LEAGUE is the legit entity...

Who needed who?

Whose logo is STILL on whose website?

Based on that alone, the NIFL even considers us part of the NIFL apparently--in a roundabout sort of way, there is your sanction--not that we give a rats a$$

You need to do your homework and know your facts before you post a comment. The Shockwave and Cavalry split their season series. Wyoming won the first game at home (San Diego's second game ever as an expansion franchise) and San Diego won the second game at home. You can't truly determine who is better just based upon point spreads or even overall records. The facts are that each team won a game and the only way to rightfully determine who would EARN the right to play Fayetteville would be a rubber match in the form of a play-off game. That didn't happen so we'll never know who the best team actually was. Speculations don't count!

[gridirontime]

What's clear is playoff or not, the Guard won the East. We'll simply never know with the West, as both San Diego and Wyoming could make a claim for the top spot. In the end, Fayetteville chose to play Wyoming. That doesn't make San Diego any weaker, but they just weren't invited to the dance.

Now that is the truth! San Diego wasn't INVITED! Keyword in the phrase.
No one here is arguing that Fayettville wasn't the best team out of the EAST.
The agruement which will continue until Christ comes back is Who was the top team from the WEST? People from both citys will argue that their team was the better one.

Personally I don't care who was the better team! Just as long as the two from the WEST actually decided it on the field. That's all I wanted, at least lets us play to see who should of!
So as long as this taste last it will be bitter for us here in SD! :mrgreen:

[guardnoize]

You need to do your homework and know your facts before you post a comment. The Shockwave and Cavalry split their season series. Wyoming won the first game at home (San Diego's second game ever as an expansion franchise) and San Diego won the second game at home. You can't truly determine who is better just based upon point spreads or even overall records. The facts are that each team won a game and the only way to rightfully determine who would EARN the right to play Fayetteville would be a rubber match in the form of a play-off game. That didn't happen so we'll never know who the best team actually was. Speculations don't count!

Show me a guy who says point spread didn't matter and I'll show you a guy who lost the point spread..LOL

[AllAces]

Noize - You are thinking about the Guard exit completely the wrong way and are making the wrong argument.

IF the Guard "resigned," the only thing satisfied is your pride. However, if the Guard did indeed get a letter expelling them from the NIFL - that satisfies a lot of LEGAL requirements.

It's better that they were expelled. Then the league can't sue them (or take over the team) for not meeting the non-compete clause. So, it's actually better that the league kicked them out.

Let the pride thing go.

[guardnoize]

Got too much of it, bro--sorry. And the legalities affect me NONE.

If they read the resignation letter and decided to call it expuilsion, so be it.

You actually don't know the whole story. The resignation was turned in a few days before the Gboro game but was not EFFECTIVE until the day after so that could be LEGALLY played for our fans--and so we wouldn't be under their stupid a$$ed wing so the real championship could not be influenced by a league who can't even update their website--LOL

I know the legalities inside and out. For some reason, my inside association really seems to unravel others (jealousy-?) but I have no problem sharing because I am not legally obligated to dipsticks CG or CS in any capacity.

I can say what I want to them, about them, etc etc

Thanks anyhow. I get your point.

[Fatty2X4]

How can San Diego leave the NIFL, didn't they sign a two year contract when they joined?

[slickfriction]

Show me a guy who says point spread didn't matter and I'll show you a guy who lost the point spread..LOL

This is my last response to you because I've concluded that your being ignorant just for the sake of argument! The fact that I have to spell this out for you amazes me! Point spreads don't determine who is the better team when both teams have earned the right to enter a play-off based upon their records during the regular season. Point spreads would be used to determine who would get the number one spot if both teams had the same win/loss record. The only thing that would determine who is the better team or who would deserve to play in a championship game is an actual game! Do you remember who won the Superbowl last year? No, not the Fayetteville Guard! The Indianapolis Colts did and guess what? THEY WERE A WILD CARD TEAM!!!!

[gonzo13]

For the love of pete....This horse has been thoroughly beaten...

[gridirontime]

For the love of pete....This horse has been thoroughly beaten...

You are quite right! But there is people from Fayettville who still want to stir the pot!

I guess they need some VALIDATION for their PRESEASON CHAMPIONSHIP! hehehehe! LOL

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :

[phydeaux72]

I guess they need some VALIDATION for their PRESEASON CHAMPIONSHIP! hehehehe! LOL

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :

Actually, it's the kids in San Diego who keep carrying on and on and on about it. Most everything else is just response to the crying and whining coming from the SD fans.

[THEAFTERSHOCK]

We've moved on!!!!!!! We'll just kick butt in our new league next year!!!!!!!!!

[guardnoize]

For the love of pete....This horse has been thoroughly beaten...

As has anyone that came to play in Fayetteville the past two and a half years....WOW---Fayetteville's HOME GAME WIN STREAK is 150% longer than SD's ENTIRE HISTORY...LOL

[guardnoize]

This is my last response to you because I've concluded that your being ignorant just for the sake of argument! The fact that I have to spell this out for you amazes me! Point spreads don't determine who is the better team when both teams have earned the right to enter a play-off based upon their records during the regular season. Point spreads would be used to determine who would get the number one spot if both teams had the same win/loss record. The only thing that would determine who is the better team or who would deserve to play in a championship game is an actual game! Do you remember who won the Superbowl last year? No, not the Fayetteville Guard! The Indianapolis Colts did and guess what? THEY WERE A WILD CARD TEAM!!!!

But once the SB was won, they didn't go back and have to play all the teams that weren't good enough to make it there in the first place.

You beat WYO, WYO beat you by MORE, WYO lost to Fville...now keep your promise and respond no more!

:)

[gridirontime]

But once the SB was won, they didn't go back and have to play all the teams that weren't good enough to make it there in the first place.

You beat WYO, WYO beat you by MORE, WYO lost to Fville...now keep your promise and respond no more!

:)

Noize, is it possible that you keep this conversation alive by trying to validate your game.

Notice that this thread was about SD leaving the NIFL! Or are you so crazed by the idea that your game meant nothing? (Well except to the Preseason of the AFIA)

So if anyone is to walk away from this it should be you, let it go!!!!

Now take a deep breath and exhale! Now thats better isn't? Or you could always go down and scream in the housssseee of LAMMMMMMMEEEEEE!
LOL :eek:

:mrgreen:

[guardnoize]

Noize, is it possible that you keep this conversation alive by trying to validate your game.

Notice that this thread was about SD leaving the NIFL! Or are you so crazed by the idea that your game meant nothing? (Well except to the Preseason of the AFIA)

So if anyone is to walk away from this it should be you, let it go!!!!

Now take a deep breath and exhale! Now thats better isn't? Or you could always go down and scream in the housssseee of LAMMMMMMMEEEEEE!
LOL :eek:

:mrgreen:

Possible but not at all probable....and it's AIFA by the way.

That said, you punks started all the "was a game, wasnt a game" mess and now you dont wanna play...go F yourself. It's fun to watch reality set in that this little SD/WYO or SD/whomever game still hasnt come to fruition--does that mean EVERYTHING ELSE yall have said should be dismissed too?

OF COURSE IT DOES.

Trust me---I dont care WHO dont like that we're the champs--doesn't change facts....Call it Connect Four MFer I don;t care----Playoffs 3 times, deeper each time, 2 chamnpionship games and 1 trophy.

Budweiser sure felt the need to dump a ton of dough into a measley preseason indoor football game didn't they?? LOL....And what about the 400 cities+ that watched it on TV--a meaningless game--LOFLOLFOLFOLFOL

Where is YOUR championship on TV and who is the sponsor??

Eat it.