Ex Flyer Fan is right on!

[Baseball]

I read all of your posts Ex and you seem to know more than the average person should know. It's almost like you are right inside the Flyer organization. I personally have had very close friends that have had real issues with Templeton, the stories are horrendous! They seem to keep some crazy things out of public knowledge. Hang in there Ex it seems there are quite a few here that don't want to believe what you're saying, but my sources say you are right on. I also have a gut feeling you haven't shown all your cards yet and that there just might be a bomb coming.

[Ex Flyer Fan]

I appreciate the post. Yea you're right, I either get a lot of viewers and no comments or people oh my gosh that just can't be true. I'm not going to comment on your assurtion that I'm "inside the Flyers organization" at this time but you never know. The information I have and write about on this blog is 100% true. And it does bother me a little when some people try to spin what I say with PR talk or simply say they don't believe. As far as dropping the big bomb goes, there are a few things coming up but I'm making sure they are 100% true before I inform.

[flyersgm]

EX:

If you want to confirm anything, step up and call me (714-458-3064) and tell me who you are, and I will let you know if the "rumor" you have heard is true or not. Nothing makes me more frustrated than people who say they are "insiders", or "in the know", but who won't reveal their identity.

Everyone wants to be the one to "know" things...

If you are "inside the Flyers organization", then have the guts to come into my office, close the door, and let's talk. If you are not, then admit that you are not, and let's play ball! Life is too short and precious to waste everyone's time on "speculation." Just get it out in the open...

Ed

[RW22]

How do I put this that makes it fair to all....ED IS A GREAY GUY!
However, I am not sure you want to "out" yourself to him. In my dealings with him, if you confront him and he does not agree with you--you completely lose. You lose respect, and you lose his trust. I would also caution you on "letting BOMBS loose". We banter quite a bit, some fact, some truth, some speculation; but it is not done with "doom and gloom" reporting. Some of us, and you included, my be more privvy than most about "inside" stuff. In that vein, I dont think throwing the "Bomb is coming" out there serves any purpose. Either you have a fact, or you know a rumor. If you are an "insider" then you should know decorum and disipline and when to use them.
Telling me you have a cherry bomb in your back pocket, and waiting for it to explode before you tell me---just doesnt make sense. Coming to us in XYZ days telling us "I knew that then" does not make you credible. If OC implodes (unlikely) in the next week, does that make you "right"? Not to me, explain your position and let the people that can make changes try and answear your questions.
Do they always get it right, not at alll--but who does? There are problems in every league, especially in indy ball--but at least I know the GBL is trying!!!

***Personal note---- I find it very funny that Ed did call someone out for "hiding"---I submitted a post in the last week or two that had VERY specific questions for him....funny, I was applauded for "calling him out on his inconsistencies"; but never had question ONE answeared....oh well, as long as the thread is current he is here!

[Ex Flyer Fan]

RW22 thanks for your input and you are right Ed is a good guy. He is especially a good guy when he agrees with you. But having said that, it does appear to me that he is not being very nice if he diagrees with someone. I didn't bring up "bomb dropping, someone named Baseball did, I was merely answering his questions. And Ed, even if I were an insider (and I'm not saying I am) how long do you think I would have a job after I left your office? So that's kind of a ridicules sentence don't you think? I've told you many times in these posts that I do like you and you're way too good of a guy to be with the Flyers being a Garry Templeton front man. The only problem I have with you is when someone tells you something factual you try to make them out as a liar. Like I said before, I make sure things are 100% correct or I don't mention them. Then you come to this board and tell everyone I'm wrong when you and I both know I'm right. As you've seen with a lot of my posts I am no longer a Garry Templeton fan as I have been in the past because I've learned what he has done to people. And when I go after someone I go after the person with the power and again that's Templeton. No matter what you try to tell someone here Garry's crew runs the show. There are some very bright people on this board and sometimes the truth is interesting to them. You know, like the night Hector Zamora got thrown out of the game and the league for threatening to kill the umpire over balls and strike calls. I was sitting right behind Alan Mintz, the president and owner, when he and his entire entourage gave Zamora a standing ovation. I was more horrified by that than Zamora's actions. I know, you're going to tell everybody here it didn't happen, but it did. If I want to see a circus, Barnam & Bailey's is here every July at the Staples Center. Just another reason I'm an Ex

[flyersgm]

You are right - I AM going to comment on the night that Zamora was kicked out.

The ovation was when Pohle was announced as the pinch hitter for Zamora, not for Zamora's actions...if you are going to comment on something, get it right. I am 100% positive that I am right on this one, because I have spoken to many people in that "entourage" since that night, and to Rich, as well, and they all say it was applause for Rich coming into the game.

There is a story behind that night, and I won't get into it here, but it is how I am 100% sure that it was for Rich, and not for Hector.

I am not Garry's front man...

I don't support him in everything he does as a manager, but I do still think G2 is one of the best CF's in the league, and he hits a lot better in the 8th or 9th hole, where there is less pressure (hit a grand slam in Chico tonight).

Anyway, I have never fired anyone in my entire career for having a different opinion that I do...I encourage different opinions - I have fired people for various reasons, but NEVER for stating their opinion about someone or something.

If you work for me, and you come to me to talk about Garry, what is happening on the team, in the clubhouse, etc, it will be a good chat. It has happened in the last few days with other members of our front offce. If you are a fan (or ex-fan), I will gladly talk with you. I am not hiding anything.

Thanks

Ed

RW - send me your questions again, and I will answer every one of them...

[peeaanuut]

Anyway, I have never fired anyone in my entire career for having a different opinion that I do...I encourage different opinions - I have fired people for various reasons, but NEVER for stating their opinion about someone or something.




lets hope that some of that rubs off on Bash. I think that is the only reason he has ever fired anyone.

[RW22]

If i have intimated in one way or another that you have based employment decisions based on factual one on one discussions; I do apologize immediately and would forthright acknowledge that. I have just asked questions that have not been answeared in any form...To say that I do not appreciate you being here would be incredibly wrong. I wish every GM, along with the Commish, would visit--chat and get a feel for what the common folk feel.
I called you out earlier for not specifically answearing questions. This does not need to be a public forum, you did not answear any question I had--which is my beef---I will send you a PM of the questions I had from that thread----and, i really think you were in the middle of a homestand, so ya just might have missed it!! Answear away to my PM and we'll see where it lands....we are really here for the GBL....just when the ones that care get no shunned--its tough!
RW

[Pietsch Fan]

Hopefully, RW, you'll learn, like Yvonne and I did, that sometimes the answer to a question is "I can't (or won't) disclose that." It's nice that Ed and the Commish are as open as they are, but as someone who has ran and helps run companies I can tell you, not everything is for public consumption, as much as we might want it to be.

Mary

[Silver Sox Fan]

Hopefully, RW, you'll learn, like Yvonne and I did, that sometimes the answer to a question is "I can't (or won't) disclose that." It's nice that Ed and the Commish are as open as they are, but as someone who has ran and helps run companies I can tell you, not everything is for public consumption, as much as we might want it to be.

Mary

I've never experienced that in my 12 years in the U.S. Army. Is that really true? :)

[S.Sox]

And why do we care or dwell on whether or not these Mgr's wll not be back??

In the MLB there will probally be 5-8 mgr's who are fired, it happens every year.

I'm sure the numbers in Indy ball are higher due to other jobs that come abailable accross the Country. We all look for jobs that may pay better or provide better benefits for are families.

Would love to see Desi Wilson come back to the GBL and be a Mgr. He was one of the main reasons Chico drew so well last year. Everyone loved him, he would wave to kids during the inning while at 1st base...

On another note Garry Templeton was never a people person while playing in the MLB,

S.Sox

[RW22]

I know that some stuff is "not for public comsumption". There are legal, ethical and other factoprs involved. I love the fact that Ed and the Commish come in and discuss what they can. However, and I know this from personal dealings with ED, he'll inflame a situation and leave you with more questions than answears. On this board, it is real easy for him to get on a "high horse", take a position and when questioned on his position--he just disappears. I completely agree that there are things that can not, and should not be discussed, but when Ed responds to a thread-he needs to be accountable for his comments.
The stupid part is that Ed is a nice guy and means well, and I come off like an idiot because I ask the follow up questions. My next thread is going to be a direct thread to Ed---because he asked....lets see what happens.
I am not a jerk, but I will call anyone to task if they choose to engage in an open forum. I would prefer a "no comment" or "cant comment" rather than a lame answear.

[DawgsBooster2]

I know that some stuff is "not for public comsumption". There are legal, ethical and other factoprs involved. I love the fact that Ed and the Commish come in and discuss what they can. However, and I know this from personal dealings with ED, he'll inflame a situation and leave you with more questions than answears. On this board, it is real easy for him to get on a "high horse", take a position and when questioned on his position--he just disappears. I completely agree that there are things that can not, and should not be discussed, but when Ed responds to a thread-he needs to be accountable for his comments.
The stupid part is that Ed is a nice guy and means well, and I come off like an idiot because I ask the follow up questions. My next thread is going to be a direct thread to Ed---because he asked....lets see what happens.
I am not a jerk, but I will call anyone to task if they choose to engage in an open forum. I would prefer a "no comment" or "cant comment" rather than a lame answear.

I don't presume to speak for the rest of the board, but I've never seen Ed on a "high horse" here....or in Real Life.

*shrug*

Maybe I'm missing things?

[flyersgm]

I don't even OWN a horse, let alone a high one! :-)

Always available for questions, but no one ever calls...:-(

Have a great day!

Go Flyers!

Ed

[RW22]

Ok Ed....GREAT POST!! I am just chuckling as the first picture that came to my mind was you on a mule going into the Grand Canyon with your family---ahh---we all got to stop and laugh sometimes :-)

[DawgsBooster2]

I see Ed on a 8ft tall horse, wearing chaps, a huge belt buckle and Happy Trails playing in the background!

I'MMMMMM BLIIIIIND! :eek:


:infun: LOL

[Ex Flyer Fan]

Here we go again Ed, basically calling me a liar when Alan Mintz and crew gave Hector Zamora a standing ovation for threatening to kill the umpire. I was ten feet from Mintz and he WASN'T giving Rich Pohle the ovation. That was one of those “that’s my story and I’m sticking to it” kind of stories that was made up after my post, to cover everyone’s butt. In fact, as Zamora was being pulled back into the dugout Alan bent over to direct the applause right at Zamora. Hell, Pohle was still milling around the dugout, and there was no announcement of Rich coming into the game until Zamora was in front of the visitor’s dugout, half was to the locker room. As far as talking to ‘many’ in the "entourage" goes (by the way there were 6, not MANY), and why would you speak to the entourage unless someone else complained about there actions before me. And you're trying to tell this board you spoke to Rich as well, and he told you that Alan and the entourage could have only been giving HIM the standing "O", I think not. I know Rich personally and I can guarantee you one thing, he couldn’t care less if Alan Mintz or anyone else is in the stands, let alone notice if he was giving him a standing ovation. I can’t believe you would ask Rich if he saw Alan give him a standing ovation, and Rich saying “Yea I know Alan was giving me the standing ovation and not Hector Zamora. How in the heck would you expect Rich to know who Alan was giving the standing ovation to?
Now let me get this time line correct. I posted my posting at 9:25pm on July 25th. Your nasty rebuttal basically calling me a liar, was posted 1 hour and twenty minutes later. That means you somehow you researched who the six people where sitting with Alan, found out their phone numbers and called them all in one hour and twenty minutes. Not to mention the timeframe of being late, between 9:25pm and 10:45pm, was probably too late to call them. And besides Ed, if you didn't notice, Rich Pohle was in Chico playing baseball for your Flyers at the time of the post. I always thought you were good guy. But as I have learned from the private messages I have received from others on this board, you are only a nice guy when it is a positive post about you or you’re Flyers. If something comes up negative or you don’t like it, you basically call people liars with that “100 percent positive” crap. I would have respected you had you told this board that ‘since YOU didn’t see it you couldn’t comment on it’, that would have been fair to everybody. Maybe you should use this approach in the future.

[flyersgm]

Nothing was made up after your post - contrary to what you might think, not many fans read these, and we would not "create a story" based on anyone's post in here. Your entire paragraph about time lines makes no sense...

I really don't need to go into details with you, because I know what I know, and I never even alluded to any conversation I might have had on the 25th. My conversations about the inicident on the night HZ was ejected happened the next day. I am not calling you a liar, I just know the story to be different than you do - I can see where you may have interpreted it a certain way, but I am here to tell you, the ovation was for Rich coming out of the dugout to start swinging. I was sitting right behind home plate (one of the times lately where I actually saw the entire thing), with our pitchers who were charting the game. I heard everything Zamora said, I saw everything he did, and I saw as the owners began to cheer when they saw Rich come out of the dugout.

Alan's wife and friends are big Rich Pohle fans, and there was an event the previous day (not getting into it at all) that led to their applause of him coming up...of this I am certain. I promise you that the applause was not for Zamora threatening the umpire, nor was it for his actions or words...

Heck, Rich hit a grand slam recently, and autographed the ball and gave it to Mrs Mintz - he is a favorite, and the applause was for him...

No one on our team, or in our front office, applauded Zamora's actions, and I can assure you that we feel the punishment (I released him from the team before the league took action) fit his crime.

I understand if you don't like me, or if you think I am one way with some, and another way with others. I am consistent with people who own their voice and talk to me, but when a person does not have the courage to tell me who they are, and then question the way I run my business, and the passion I have for my job, I have little tolerance.

If people have PM'd you about me, so be it. Your description of me is so off base that it is funny. My only beef, again, is when people question me, my integrity, or my way of working, behind my back, and do not have the courage to talk to me. I still don't know who you are. If you truly are an "ex" Flyers fan, that is fine. We all have the right to choose. However, you have never come to me and shared your genuine concerns with me, face to face, so there is nothing I can do for you. If you have ideas on WHAT TO DO, rather than complaints about WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE, let me know.

I have always had a policy with my staff, regardless of where I have worked, where if a person comes to me with a problem, I ask them to also come to me with possible solutions.

You are not happy with Garry, with me, with other aspects of the Flyers. That is fine. But what do you suggest? Fire Garry? Then what? Who runs this team and helps us make a run at it this season? You want me to quit? Sorry, it will take more than one unhappy fan to get me out of here. You don't like G2? I'll bet you would have cheered when he hit a grandslam the other night in Chico.

I apologize if others of you feel I am only nice to you when I agree with you - sadly mistaken, but if that is the image I have, then let me know, and I will do my best to work on that. I am always open to feedback, and know that I am FAR from perfect.

However, this IS my job, my profession, and how I feed my family, pay my bills, and make a living - it is not just a hobby, and there is a lot to this job that I do not bring to the public eye, and a lot of internal conversations and events that will never make it to this board - one of which is how certain I am that the applause on that night was for Pohle coming to bat, and not for Zamora melting down on the ump. I cannot, and will not, share with you how I know because it is a thing of the past, and none of your business. It is, and will remain, an internal issue. I just know, and if you want to call me a liar, or assume that I am calling you a liar, there is nothing I can do about that.

Again, every time I mention my cell phone and/or email, not one person has used it to contact me. If you want to disagree with me, contact me.

I am not bitter, but I will always do my best to protect my entire team, and to protect the truth, as best as I know. I saw EVERYTHING that night, EX, so I am speaking from FIRST HAND experience.

Like me or not, this is me. Hate to lose you as a fan, and if we were ever friends, I hate to lose you even more, but how I can work on a relationship with a person that will not let me know who they are? If you want to know some things that I am not willing to share for the public eye on here, call me. If I can share it with you, I will. If I can't, I will tell you that I can't and we can move on.

You saw an incident that night one way, and are positive that you are correct. I saw the same incident another way, and am certain that I am correct. Does that mean that one of us is calling the other a liar? Of course not.

Ed

[Baseball]

Ex, I read your post and I must say you are one methodical guy with your analysis. I usually don’t like to get into these he said she said things but I’m taking Ex’s side on this one Ed, and here is why. I too was at that game sitting by the visitor’s side dugout. I had a clear view of Alan and his group and I saw exactly what Ex saw with probably an even better angle. One of the reasons I believe Ex is that I did saw Alan bend over, not more than 5 feet from Zamora, and direct his applause at him. Nobody else was around except a group of about 6 or 8 players pulling Zamora into the dugout. Alan’s actions took place as Zamora was being pulled into the dugout, not when he was being led away and when Rich was swinging his bat. Rich never came out and started swinging his bat until Zamora was past me, well down the first base line. You are right Ed, I saw them all standing and clapping when Rich came out but that was well after Zamora was on his way to the clubhouse. And lets face it, nobody really knows what Alan’s intentions were except Alan. So for you Ed, to say that you are “100% positive that I am right on this one” is simply an untrue statement.
From what I’ve read from Ex he has said ‘he likes you and that you deserve better’, but I think you really put a burr in his saddle this time. I would love to meet both of you someday, but probably not in the same room.

[peeaanuut]

chaps? really?

[flyersgm]

I would love to have all of us together in the same room...in fact, let's hook up in the suite one night this week and just have a laugh...

Been a frustrating season for all of us, and I am simply laughing at this point...

I know what I saw, you guys know what you saw...we saw the same thing, interpreted it differently - happens everyday...

Let's move on, shall we?

Cheers

Ed

[S.Sox]

Good job Ed!!!!, get'em all together and enjoy a game!! Would love to join you guys...just to far away!

S.Sox