ABA All Access 07/07/07

[The Magician]

ABA All Access Show # 49, 07/07/07
Philadelphia Sounds Owner: Rev. Duane Quamina
ABA "Around The League" News

http://www.audiosportsonline.net/ABA/AllAccess.htm?abalive

Listen from 11:06 - 13:20

When Rev. Duane was asked why he choose the ABA (?) ...

Here's what he said:

"Well, ah, it was the CEO - Joe Newman"

"When I spoke with him ... ah, He wreeked of integrity" ...

"And Joe is like a Reverend, He preaches the theology ... which is the Theology of Truth ... and I've seen him cut no corners."

(Joe Newman has been) "very forthright, even with some of the teams who have folded and left the league ..."

:confused: ... I like the Rev's personal approach to life, but this a bit much of ABA Brotherly Love.

[tbayz1]

I give this team 2 games before they fold

a classic example of a great ABA owner

[Minor League Man]

ABA All Access Show # 49, 07/07/07
Philadelphia Sounds Owner: Rev. Duane Quamina
ABA "Around The League" News

http://www.audiosportsonline.net/ABA/AllAccess.htm?abalive

Listen from 11:06 - 13:20

When Rev. Duane was asked why he choose the ABA (?) ...

Here's what he said:

About Newman?

lol...lol...lol...lol...lol...lol...lol...
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[TheStandard]

Chuck The Writer made me lose a keyboard once. Today I have lost my mind with this cronies words

[notfunny]

I give this team 2 games before they fold


I'm holding you to that. Message me so we set up a bet for the minute they hit their third game. Or are you just mouthing off

[one way]

ABA PASTderail dream
Records check shows Jeremy Brice of Oregon Riptide is a registered sex offender
By Jason Vondersmith

The Portland Tribune, Jul 14, 2006

Jeremy Brice’s new ABA franchise, the Oregon Riptide, appears to have lost its venue for home games with revelations of Brice’s 2002 sex offense conviction in California.

L.E. Baskow / The Portland Tribune
Aspiring entrepreneur Jeremy Brice envisioned creating his own basketball kingdom, one that would not topple the Trail Blazers but would give fans an alternative.

He formed the Oregon Riptide, invested about $100,000 and joined the American Basketball Association, a fledgling knockoff of the ABA of the 1960s and ’70s.

Brice, who lives in Salem and goes by “J. Brice” in official Riptide business, planned basketball camps for boys and girls. He announced that his first camp would be on Aug. 11 and that the Riptide would play home games at Warner Pacific College.

Brice promises to be a real community guy; he promises the Riptide will be a real community team. Joe Newman, ABA co-founder, calls him upstanding.

But a simple background check by the Portland Tribune revealed something about the 32-year-old Brice: He is still on probation for a 2002 sex offense conviction in El Dorado County, Calif., and is registered as a nonpredatory sex offender in Oregon. His probation runs through Sept. 26, 2007.

Authorities say Brice cannot have contact with girls under age 18, except his daughter, without adult supervision. After being asked Wednesday about the conviction, Brice canceled his plans to run the kids camp.

And Warner Pacific Athletic Director Bart Valentine, previously unaware of Brice’s background, quickly declared Wednesday night: “The camp is definitely off.”

On Thursday, Valentine said Warner Pacific “no longer is negotiating” with Brice to hold Riptide games at the college.

Newman said he had not researched Brice’s past and “I’m not sure what to do with this. I just found out about it. I’ll look into it.”

Newman said he would not suspend Brice from the ABA, but that Brice would “absolutely not” have grounds to have his $20,000 franchise fee refunded. “I feel sorry for Jeremy; it’s a terrible thing to have to live with,” Newman said. “Sex offenders are allowed to be in business and have a life. But it is what it is.”

Brice, a Las Vegas native who lived in South Lake Tahoe, Calif., pleaded no contest to oral copulation of a minor in El Dorado County in 2002. He was sentenced to 10 months in county jail (serving 180 days, he says) and five years probation, and he was required to register as a sex offender.

He coached girls basketball and softball and had been hired as football coach at Whittell High School, just outside Lake Tahoe, Nev., and he was program director for the Boys & Girls Clubs of Lake Tahoe.

Authorities said that Brice provided alcohol to two underage girls over several weeks. El Dorado Deputy District Attorney Anthony Sears said Brice knew the girls from Whittell High. According to a news account, Brice took one of the girls to his residence in March 2002, where the oral copulation took place while the two drank beer.

The victims told authorities that Brice questioned the girls about their sexual history and experience with drugs and alcohol and asked them not to reveal the conversations because “we will all get in trouble,” according to a probation report quoted by the Tahoe Daily Tribune at the time.

Plea deal reached
A second charge of child annoyance was dropped with the plea agreement. Authorities said Brice and the girls played Truth or Dare, with Brice daring the girls to take their tops off, after hours in the Boys & Girls Clubs office.

Brice said Wednesday the girls told him they were over 18 and that the behavior was consensual. He said “it was a mistake” on his part. He said an overzealous prosecutor and judge, eyeing elections, pushed the case.

“He may be reinventing history,” Sears said.

At the time, Sears said that Brice preyed on the teenage girls. “She’ll be living with this and probably thinking about it for the rest of her life,” he told the Tahoe Daily Tribune, of the sex offense victim. “That’s the reality.”

Brice took up residence in Marion County after his jail time; his case transferred to Oregon. He is on limited supervision, communicating with Marion County authorities via mail.

“He’s done a great job, completed treatment, done a very good job on supervision,” said Tammy Nims, Marion County parole and probation deputy. “Unfortunately, a piece of our position is you can never tell what somebody will do. It’s not that easy to predict.”

Brice said he and his attorney are working to have the conviction and sex offender status expunged from his record; authorities say that sex offender status cannot be expunged in Oregon.

Brice said extensive psychological testing, including polygraph tests, has concluded that “I’m not a threat. I’m allowed to be around anybody. It’s not an issue with me and youth and girls under 18.”

But it must be contact with supervision, Nims said. “My interpretation is he doesn’t have blanket permission to be around anybody he wants.”

Trying to move on
There is a stigma, Brice said, “but, it happened, I moved on and I’m trying to start a business. I never thought my personal life would come into play.”

He thought about being a silent partner in the Riptide, but “it proves my character and who I am. … I wasn’t trying to hide anything.” But Brice now says he may look into selling the team.

Brice said he got his communications degree from University of Nevada, Las Vegas, ran sports leagues for Clark County (Nev.) Parks and Recreation and worked for the Boys & Girls Clubs in Las Vegas. He recently worked for the Salem Stampede of the International Basketball League.

Another ABA team, the Portland Reign, played at Warner Pacific in 2004-05 before folding.

Newman said Brice has the option of starting his ABA team next season, but Brice said this week: “We’re going to play this year. I’m not jumping the gun. I’m eager.”

Brice had tried to arrange home games at Liberty High in Hillsboro or Portland State.

Before being told of Brice’s past, Newman said: “In our eyes, everything we’ve asked from him he has done in total good standing. I have no cause for concern.”

The Oregon Riptide would play in the ABA’s Red North Division with Bellingham, Bellevue and Tacoma, Wash.; Vancouver, British Coulmbia; and Salt Lake City. Brice wants to add Las Vegas, Beijing and Tijuana, Mexico, to the schedule, the latter because he says former NBA bad boy Dennis Rodman occasionally plays for the team.

Brice said his players would make $100 to $1,000 per week.

“We’re not going to have knuckleheads,” he said.

jasonvondersmith@portlandtribune.com

[tbayz1]

I'm holding you to that. Message me so we set up a bet for the minute they hit their third game. Or are you just mouthing off

what is your problem man, you take things so seriously, are you involved with that franchise? is that why?

anyone who joins a league because of Joe Newman, isnt the smartest man in the world

[notfunny]

what is your problem man, you take things so seriously, are you involved with that franchise? is that why?


No, but I guess I'll contact you to set things up as far as the bet goes.

[tbayz1]

i already sent you a message, we'll have a lil convo between us

[The Magician]

But a simple background check by the Portland Tribune revealed something about the 32-year-old Brice: He is still on probation for a 2002 sex offense conviction in El Dorado County, Calif., and is registered as a nonpredatory sex offender in Oregon. His probation runs through Sept. 26, 2007.

Why is it ... that the ABA CEO allows criminals to become associated with League?

I wonder how that Rome situation turned out?
http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=5822

[TheStandard]

Joe would take 10k from a serial killer. he doesnt do background checks

[nksports]

Newman said he would not suspend Brice from the ABA, but that Brice would “absolutely not” have grounds to have his $20,000 franchise fee refunded.
There's the nut of the story -- ABA, no refunds.

[Strong Island Sound]

This is one of the most unbelievable things that I have ever heard. This criminal should not be allowed to have anything to do with a business that involves minors. The fans, employees, and possibly even dance team members may be under 18. And please don't try to tell me that this guy is cured and has seen the light. Statistics are more than just numbers and have shown that sex offenders are one classification of criminals that tend to repeat their crimes over and over.

How in the world can anyone justify having this person in a position of authority? I don't want to hear that they need to earn a living. Do it somewhere else. You made your own bed. Too bad if things are tough on you now.

I have no independent information on this and am only going by what the article stated. If he did bring two minors back to his residence and supplied them alcohol, his intentions were clear and pre-meditated. A normal, responsible, law-abiding adult does not behave in this nature. It is an outrage that he only served 10 months in the can for this abhorrent act.

These convicted criminals need to be monitored closely. I am not sure what the law in OR is, but in NY, sex offenders are labeled with a different level, with 3 being the highest and 1 the lowest. Residents and schools are notified when one of these miscreants moves into the neighborhood. Depending on their threat level, more info is revealed. They are supposed to inform the police when they move, register a new vehicle, etc.

How can this owner in any confidence of himself even be in an enviornment where minors will be? Many of the teams play in HS gyms. Is he going to be trusted to go to a local school to inquire about their facilities? Will you, as a parent of a 17 year-old female intern, feel comfortable having your child in the company of this cast-out late at night in an office or empty gym? Answer that honestly.

[Chuck the Writer]

See, here's a major problem with the ABA. They will take money from ANYBODY just to be able to put out a press release and announce that a new franchise is coming into the league. It doesn't matter if that money came from an IRA, a maxed-out credit card, the tithing fund for church, or whatever.

And the reason why Joe keeps taking the money is because right now that's the only way to keep this league afloat - to take as many $10,000 and $20,000 non-refundable market reservation fees as possible to keep the ABA in business.

Because right now you've got what, 50, 60 teams out there, of which maybe 30 or 40 of them will fold before they play their first road game (or in the case of the Houston Takers, the day after Howard Judah takes the court just so they can go into the Guinness Book of World Records as having the oldest basketball player in a pro game).

In fact, we've become numb to all the expansion franchises coming into the league. Rome's back in? Ho hum. Philadelphia joined the league? Big deal. The announcements have lost their luster and importance. You're paying $10,000 for a press release and a website with lots of flash animation and not much else.

And then when things go sour, when the teams fold or want to leave, Joe Newman and his cronies verbally trash and badmouth the owners on the way out the door. if a team leaves for another league, Joe will slam a franchise into the same building to muck up the market, and claim it's all "marketing competition, like McDonald's works with Burger King." Then Joe gets his buddy Tom Chichest06er to go on OSC and trash the teams, then gets another one of his buddies to pretend to be aba-insider or not-funny or some other sobriquet and trash the readers of OSC.

I have never seen David Stern attack ESPN with the same amount of vitriol that Joe Newman has for OSC.

Believe me, if Worth Christie, Joe Newman, Isiah Thomas, Sally Anthony and Michael Monus were all in a boat and the boat started to sink, who would get saved first?

Answer: Every basketball fan in the world.

[TheStandard]

I'd save Isiah because in that case also with the basketball fans. We all need a bad gm and coach to laugh at.

[Strong Island Sound]

ABA PASTderail dream

Authorities say Brice cannot have contact with girls under age 18, except his daughter, without adult supervision. After being asked Wednesday about the conviction, Brice canceled his plans to run the kids camp.

[Typical act by a sex offender "on the mend." They appear to be doing something constructive for youths until they are discovered. Then they pull back. They typically put themselves in positions of authority around youngsters, ie: coaches, sponsors, instructors.]


Brice, a Las Vegas native who lived in South Lake Tahoe, Calif., pleaded no contest to oral copulation of a minor in El Dorado County in 2002. He was sentenced to 10 months in county jail (serving 180 days, he says) and five years probation, and he was required to register as a sex offender.

[This savage only did 180 days behind bars with the rest of the criminal world. That is not long enough to be "rehabiliated."]

He coached girls basketball and softball and had been hired as football coach at Whittell High School, just outside Lake Tahoe, Nev., and he was program director for the Boys & Girls Clubs of Lake Tahoe.

[As I said previously- pedophiles put themselves in these positions for one simple reason- to satisfy their perverted sexual desires.]

Authorities said that Brice provided alcohol to two underage girls over several weeks. El Dorado Deputy District Attorney Anthony Sears said Brice knew the girls from Whittell High. According to a news account, Brice took one of the girls to his residence in March 2002, where the oral copulation took place while the two drank beer.

[OVER SEVERAL WEEKS.- A well-planned, thought out act.]

The victims told authorities that Brice questioned the girls about their sexual history and experience with drugs and alcohol and asked them not to reveal the conversations because “we will all get in trouble,” according to a probation report quoted by the Tahoe Daily Tribune at the time.

[Another way for the pedophile to put fear and the blame on their victims. Typical turning of the tables and making them feel that they will all get in trouble. That is the method usually used by pedophiles who take victims that are under 11. High School age victims are typically too old to use that fear against. If this were a script on Law & Order: SVU, I could see Elliot looking for more victims that are younger. Let your imagination figure out what I am implying.]

Plea deal reached
A second charge of child annoyance was dropped with the plea agreement. Authorities said Brice and the girls played Truth or Dare, with Brice daring the girls to take their tops off, after hours in the Boys & Girls Clubs office.

[Boys & Girls Club office. Position of authority over minors. Trying to get down to their level by 'playing games.' ]

Brice said Wednesday the girls told him they were over 18 and that the behavior was consensual. He said “it was a mistake” on his part. He said an overzealous prosecutor and judge, eyeing elections, pushed the case.

[Another typical move by the pedophile. First, creating doubt that he was aware of their age. Then that it was consensual. Then after that does not fly, admit that it was a maistake, but make sure to pass the blame onto others. In this case, the prosecutor and judge. Regardless, this typical defense does not work. It is up to the adult to know the age of his 'partner.' And if he was working at a HS and a Boys & Girls Club, wouldn't he know the age group that attends these places? This is pissing me off more and more.]



Brice took up residence in Marion County after his jail time; his case transferred to Oregon. He is on limited supervision, communicating with Marion County authorities via mail.

[This is troubling. He is not even residing in the same state. Investigators have a hard enough time keeping tabs on these criminals because they fail to divuldge information. Now he is living further away. How can they keep on eye on him when HE is doing the contacting with them- VIA MAIL?]

“Unfortunately, a piece of our position is you can never tell what somebody will do. It’s not that easy to predict.”

[Thus the reason for the large numbers of repeat offenders in this category.]

Brice said he and his attorney are working to have the conviction and sex offender status expunged from his record; authorities say that sex offender status cannot be expunged in Oregon.

[They are always looking to have it expunged or downgraded. Of course, that is understandable. But the motives are unknown.]

Brice said extensive psychological testing, including polygraph tests, has concluded that “I’m not a threat. I’m allowed to be around anybody. It’s not an issue with me and youth and girls under 18.”

[Yes, it is. Or else you would not have been scrambling for excuses of why you committed the criminal acts and sentenced to jail time.]

But it must be contact with supervision, Nims said. “My interpretation is he doesn’t have blanket permission to be around anybody he wants.”

[Anyone that feels that this ex-con is safe around young women is either a defense lawyer of the worst liberal kind or someone that does not ever intend to have children.]

Trying to move on
There is a stigma, Brice said, “but, it happened, I moved on and I’m trying to start a business. I never thought my personal life would come into play.”

[When you plan out a criminal act involving minors and sex, my friend, you don't have a personal life. Just the fact that he called this his 'personal life' is alarming. Does anyone else see what is in that statement?]

He thought about being a silent partner in the Riptide, but “it proves my character and who I am. … I wasn’t trying to hide anything.” But Brice now says he may look into selling the team.

[Please do, for all our sake.]

Brice said he got his communications degree from University of Nevada, Las Vegas, ran sports leagues for Clark County (Nev.) Parks and Recreation and worked for the Boys & Girls Clubs in Las Vegas. He recently worked for the Salem Stampede of the International Basketball League.

[So he is intelligent and a sex offender. Even worse than the pervert that lives from couch to couch. This guy has the brains and money to make things go away.]

Newman said Brice has the option of starting his ABA team next season, but Brice said this week: “We’re going to play this year. I’m not jumping the gun. I’m eager.”

[Just as eager as you were to tell those two innocent young ladies that it was OK to come over an adults house, become intoxicated, and take off articles of clothing.]

Brice had tried to arrange home games at Liberty High in Hillsboro or Portland State.

[Had tried to arrange home games at Libery HIGH. Please, I don't have to elaborate.]

Before being told of Brice’s past, Newman said: “In our eyes, everything we’ve asked from him he has done in total good standing. I have no cause for concern.”

[Tell that to the next victim after a game in November.]

Brice said his players would make $100 to $1,000 per week.

[Depending on what they saw or heard.]

“We’re not going to have knuckleheads,” he said.

[What about convicted criminals?]

jasonvondersmith@portlandtribune.com[/QUOTE]

I call it like I see it. Too bad if someone out there does not like my views.

[Minor League Man]

<applause>

[Fells]

This is simply deplorable and shows why CEO Newman needs to either resign, or actually start conducting background checks on his prospective owners. Finding out that an owner has a criminal record is one thing, but for sexual assault on minors is disgusting.

When will Mr. Newman learn that due diligence is something that has to be done? A check clearing is NOT GROUNDS for awarding a franchise.

[SignGuyDino]

Newman said he would not suspend Brice from the ABA, but that Brice would “absolutely not” have grounds to have his $20,000 franchise fee refunded.

That sums up Joe Newman in a nutshell. BTW, even with a registered sex offender, unless the contract expressly states the owner asserted he had no criminal record, the contract IS still valid and if the ABA doesn't allow this team to play it's lawsuit what? 382??

[zeke41]

I won't mention names, but we had a sex-offender on our team last year. We found out while preparing for our first away game out of the state. HE needed me to talk to his parole officer - that was interesting. So...my owner tells me to switch his name on the website so people don't do a search and find out, because that would ruin our reputation.

As much as I disagreed...he was my owner, so I did what I was told. Sex offenders have no place in minor league basketball where families with young children are a target market.

[TheStandard]

sex offenders are not to be in any league.

[tbayz1]

agreed with Standard

Joe is unbelievable and thought nothing of that guy

And the Orlando player, the owner is an idiot for saying "change his name on the website"

This is just amazing how people treat sex offenders!

My uncle works in a prison, man if your doing time for being a perv, you better watch out, they put these guys in a separate wing just so they dont get hurt or killed by other inmates! And these guys own and play on ABA teams, and theres nothing wrong with that, wow, just wow!!!

[Strong Island Sound]

I won't mention names, but we had a sex-offender on our team last year. We found out while preparing for our first away game out of the state. HE needed me to talk to his parole officer - that was interesting. So...my owner tells me to switch his name on the website so people don't do a search and find out, because that would ruin our reputation.

As much as I disagreed...he was my owner, so I did what I was told. Sex offenders have no place in minor league basketball where families with young children are a target market.

This is a travesty. To intentionally assist one of these offenders to keep his identity hidden. That is a total reversal of the entire stance of Meghan's law. And did this owner think he was doing law enforcement any favors? Hypothetically, this player could have committed another crime, either a sex offense or not. Any web search being done by the agency looking into that crime may have been able to locate and apprehend the individual. But with his name being altered, that would not be the case.

I would be very intersted to know if this person is still involved with that same team or any others. Keeping tabs on them is the only way to hopefully avoid a repeat offense. And 'outing' them is also a good way to keep them behind closed doors, where they belong if not behind bars.

[SignGuyDino]

Who would want to shower after a game for a team owned by a registered sex offender, knowing that creep could wander in?

Nice one, Uncle Joe. Spin this one. No, wait, more trashing of the PBL by ABA trolls to deflect this in 5..4..3..

[zeke41]

I agree with you all 100%. Who knows if he'll play with the team again. This guy had an unfortunate story - one of those held back in school, go to the prom with a freshman (freshwoman, I mean...apparently), oops I'm 18 and it's prom night and she's 16 deals. The guy was a pretty good bball player. He has kids and is married now. Just unfortunate, but...the law is the law. There's really no excuse for breaking the law.

[Strong Island Sound]

I agree with you all 100%. Who knows if he'll play with the team again. This guy had an unfortunate story - one of those held back in school, go to the prom with a freshman (freshwoman, I mean...apparently), oops I'm 18 and it's prom night and she's 16 deals. The guy was a pretty good bball player. He has kids and is married now. Just unfortunate, but...the law is the law. There's really no excuse for breaking the law.
If that is the case, he still is not wiped clean, but not in the same classification as the other person (owner that we have been writing about). At least he can hang his hat on the fact that he was a student and just a few years older than the victim, not a calculating predator that is inviting under-age people over his house to intoxicate them and then take advantage. Hopefully, this player is one of the offenders that did make just 'one mistake' and is getting along like a regular, responsible human being now. Doesn't mean that I would invite him over my house for dinner, though.

[preeths]

I won't mention names, but we had a sex-offender on our team last year. We found out while preparing for our first away game out of the state. HE needed me to talk to his parole officer - that was interesting. So...my owner tells me to switch his name on the website so people don't do a search and find out, because that would ruin our reputation.

As much as I disagreed...he was my owner, so I did what I was told. Sex offenders have no place in minor league basketball where families with young children are a target market.

What is the name of the owner who asked you to do this?

[zeke41]

Eeehhh...what the heck, he didn't do me any favors - Todd Triplett, from the Orlando Aces.

[Fells]

Eeehhh...what the heck, he didn't do me any favors - Todd Triplett, from the Orlando Aces.

I don't know what the law is in Florida, but in many states, Triplett broke the law. Was this man registered as a sex offender in the State of Florida?

[TheStandard]

Put that man in jail. the owner needs to be in the can. and thats a fact.

[zeke41]

Yeah - he was registered. I figured there was something off about the whole situation. Hmmm ----- added leverage to my claim.

Oh...this was Joe Newman's response to my situation in Orlando, that he obviously doesn't give a crap about even though I busted my butt to make things happen here in Orlando....

"Mark. Thanks for the email. Sorry for your problems. However, your relationship is between the Orlando Aces and you and should be handled directly with Todd."

Forget that this is the second ABA owner that used my labor and neglected to properly compensate me for it. Too bad I have it all documented. I'll play nice and send a certified letter first!"

[Pounder]

My big long paragraph in response:

Wow.

SIS, you sound like you've dealt with this before.

Thing is, it's obviously not hard for someone like Brice to get around. IBL Salem (playing at McKay HS this year, IIRC) obviously didn't have or apply resources to check him out, so while we'll pile on the ABA as necessary, this needs to be part of a broader message... because it CAN bite other teams and leagues in the butt. This is too important for a bash session.

[preeths]

My big long paragraph in response:

Wow.

SIS, you sound like you've dealt with this before.

Thing is, it's obviously not hard for someone like Brice to get around. IBL Salem (playing at McKay HS this year, IIRC) obviously didn't have or apply resources to check him out, so while we'll pile on the ABA as necessary, this needs to be part of a broader message... because it CAN bite other teams and leagues in the butt. This is too important for a bash session.

Good point. To a degree, this is a societal problem, but only by holding individual organizations accountable can we turn this around.

[Strong Island Sound]

SIS, you sound like you've dealt with this before.

Good observation. I am actually retired from the NYPD and did a lot of time in a detective squad. Handling cases similar to this, it is hard not to have frustrating reminders. Especially the ones that were a hell of a lot worse.

From a more personal standpoint, I have three sex offensers living in my town. Needless to say, I am not a happy camper and have been on top of everything concerning them. Why should I have to explain to my kids each time we pass these mutant's houses to never go near there because there are 'bad guys' living there? And why do I have to pull up their mugshots from the Criminal Justice site to show them and everyone else in the neighborhood so we know exactly what these animals look like?

It is sad when people work hard for a living and do everything they can to better their lives while there are pigs out there that we have to make sure no one goes trick-or-treating at their house.

[The Magician]

to know if the ABA executive office took notice of "the issues" under this thread ...

And did they take heed ???

[bomp]

agreed with Standard

Joe is unbelievable and thought nothing of that guy

And the Orlando player, the owner is an idiot for saying "change his name on the website"

This is just amazing how people treat sex offenders!

My uncle works in a prison, man if your doing time for being a perv, you better watch out, they put these guys in a separate wing just so they dont get hurt or killed by other inmates! And these guys own and play on ABA teams, and theres nothing wrong with that, wow, just wow!!!

In prison, you don't want to be a sex offender. I worked in corrections and I can tell you that they and rapists have a terrible life in there. Just awful. The other inmates know and you are a dead man in jail.

I'd rather be dead than a sex offender in prison. Really!