Sports Illustrated and the Joke League

[a1sports]

Wonders nevers cease. Now Alex is working with Marsha of "Newark". So Alex will you now write how the past 3 seasons Newark never had 10 players for a raod game? Will you write how she suited up local YMCA guys to have at least 7 players for a game? Will you write how Joe gave her 7,500 dollars to finish last season? Will you write that she refused to get hotels for some aba teams that went to newark? Will you write that they had no stats person or for that matter any other staff at the Newark home games? Will you write that when a visiting team would come and the parents of some of the players wanted in..she charged them to get into the game?

This is more proof that Alex has lost all credibility and is playing in the shell game with Jo Jo.

Maybe Vermont can team up with Brooklyn or Toledo or Richmond next.
Do you really think no one in sports journalism is watching Alex?

Shame on you Alex.

[Alumni96]

Wonders nevers cease. Now Alex is working with Marsha of "Newark". So Alex will you now write how the past 3 seasons Newark never had 10 players for a raod game? Will you write how she suited up local YMCA guys to have at least 7 players for a game? Will you write how Joe gave her 7,500 dollars to finish last season? Will you write that she refused to get hotels for some aba teams that went to newark? Will you write that they had no stats person or for that matter any other staff at the Newark home games? Will you write that when a visiting team would come and the parents of some of the players wanted in..she charged them to get into the game?

This is more proof that Alex has lost all credibility and is playing in the shell game with Jo Jo.

Maybe Vermont can team up with Brooklyn or Toledo or Richmond next.
Do you really think no one in sports journalism is watching Alex?

Shame on you Alex.

Yes! How dare he try to help out another owner. The nerve. Giving away his super secret business tips. I mean what a jerk. I mean its not like he wants to increase the chances that Newark will make it through the season and meet their playing obligations to his own team.

Do yourself a favor A1. Don't drink and post.

[The Sweeper]

I believe that A1's 'help', he's talking about is the try-out camp that the Heaves and the Express are jointly holding. Since 2 very important cogs in our championship run (Melvin Creddle and Tyrone Barley) come from New Jersey, doesn't it seem possible that lightning could strike twice??

[Fells]

My goodness!! Alex being kind and helping another team out? Well, that just goes against everything sports is about!! Greed, competition, the cut throat nature, he should be banned from the league for good!! How dare he try to help out another owner and try to improve the league, and even save some money at the same time. THE NERVE!!!!!!!

This bit of total sarcasm is brought to you by Chris Fells.........

Seriously, he is trying to help out another owner and that should be commended and not ridiculed. Running a joint camp helps save money and pools talent so prospective players can be evaluated in one location and not three or four.

Believe it or not A1, there are some good things about the ABA and not everything is negative and subject to intense scrutiny. I don't know if you have ever spoken with, or met Alex, but the man just doesn't play the way you portray him. I speak with Alex at least once a week, and have the utmost respect for him and his organization. Something shady is just not in his nature.

[psbf]

met Alex, but I have read his work and I have a lot of respect for him. I like what he is doing. If he can do anything to help Marsha and the Express(or whatever the New Jersey team will be called), I admire that.

[a1sports]

Its all about integrity..at this point Alex has none. BUT....There is one simple was he can gain his integrity and respect back.......QUIT SI. Then there is no problem, work your little heart off for the ABA, but untill then there is no integrity or credibility.

Either report what is happening or dont report at all.

One question to you all..when the ABA goes down How will ALEX write about it? That will be one heck of a story.....Will he write as if it came to him as a shock? LOL

You think Marsha belongs in the league after 3 years of shinnanigans, she alone makes the ABA look bad when she shows up with 6 players for a road game...etc etc. But again..people are self serving and will take a blind eye to something wrong if there is benefit for them in it. right ALEX?

[ABA06er]

Alex Wolf going out of his way helping out other owners to better the division in which he plays in is now a bad thing? I am tired of people doing good things and A1Sports trying to turn them into a dirty negative.
Just when you think A1Sports cant do anything to damage his crediblity anymore he pulls out this thread hahaha
Dont you see that you are growing on all of the other posters nerves ? If you want to point out the bad then point out the bad , quit attacking people and teams that do good things because it is getting old and growing thin on posters nerves as you can see from up above.

A1Sports you are becoming the joke hahaha

[zeke41]

You're the joke, ABA06er. Everyone who supports the ABA is a joke - what do you all stand for? You all are like a person who sees someone getting mugged and keeps walking. Don't you all get it? If you can't get into any other league with your team, you can't afford to run a team anyway. And if you can, but choose not to, you are an enabler. You are helping this league drag around and embarrass the game of basketball. It is that simple. Oh..and just an FYI...I am no longer the GM of the Orlando Aces.

I'll be looking at selling my ABA story to a few credible reporters. This garbage will have to stop. Too bad for the ABA that I work for Fox Sports Network right now. Not all press is good press...

[Fells]

You're the joke, ABA06er. Everyone who supports the ABA is a joke - what do you all stand for? You all are like a person who sees someone getting mugged and keeps walking. Don't you all get it? If you can't get into any other league with your team, you can't afford to run a team anyway. And if you can, but choose not to, you are an enabler. You are helping this league drag around and embarrass the game of basketball. It is that simple. Oh..and just an FYI...I am no longer the GM of the Orlando Aces.

I'll be looking at selling my ABA story to a few credible reporters. This garbage will have to stop. Too bad for the ABA that I work for Fox Sports Network right now. Not all press is good press...

Hey Z, are you looking for a writer? :D

I know this is a league with issues, and very serious ones, but I try to see the good in everything. In my line of work, we call it being objective. A1 may rip on me for seeing the good in Alex Wolff, but from all of the research I have done, and these crazy things known as fact and not speculation, he is what myself and others portray him to be: An honest man who wants the best for Central and Northern Vermont. Barre is an area that has its economic and criminal problems, and having this team in the area gives these people something to root for. THAT is why and how I can see the good in Alex Wolff, and I hope that with some of his influence, the ABA will emerge out of total mediocrity.

There is my rant for the time being. Day baseball in Montpelier for the Mountaineers and Concord in the NECBL. Nothing like day baseball in Central Vermont. 70 degrees, no wind, and a few clouds. Life doesn't get much better than this.

[besl]

Will you write that when a visiting team would come and the parents of some of the players wanted in..she charged them to get into the game?

Why would she be under any obligation to let people in for free? Considering the goal is to sell tickets, I don't have a problem charging the parents of visiting players. In Newark, that is probably the only people coming to the game anyways.

[BreakersFan]

Wonders nevers cease. Now Alex is working with Marsha of "Newark". So Alex will you now write how the past 3 seasons Newark never had 10 players for a raod game? Will you write how she suited up local YMCA guys to have at least 7 players for a game? Will you write how Joe gave her 7,500 dollars to finish last season? Will you write that she refused to get hotels for some aba teams that went to newark? Will you write that they had no stats person or for that matter any other staff at the Newark home games? Will you write that when a visiting team would come and the parents of some of the players wanted in..she charged them to get into the game?

This is more proof that Alex has lost all credibility and is playing in the shell game with Jo Jo.

Maybe Vermont can team up with Brooklyn or Toledo or Richmond next.
Do you really think no one in sports journalism is watching Alex?

Shame on you Alex.

Ut-oh. He's back

[a1sports]

To Zeke41:

Send me a private message of what happened and I will put it in my ABA files.
But to save yourself time let me guess...Just tell me if I am right or worng.

1. you worked for over 6 months for an ABA team AND didnt get paid.

2. the owner of the ABA team doesnt have any moneyto pay you.

3. the owner of the ABA team used your resources and hard work then let you go.


If the above three are true...dont bother sending me a private message I have files and files of that stuff.At least the ABA owners are consistent.

[zeke41]

To Zeke41:

Send me a private message of what happened and I will put it in my ABA files.
But to save yourself time let me guess...Just tell me if I am right or worng.

1. you worked for over 6 months for an ABA team AND didnt get paid.

2. the owner of the ABA team doesnt have any moneyto pay you.

3. the owner of the ABA team used your resources and hard work then let you go.


If the above three are true...dont bother sending me a private message I have files and files of that stuff.At least the ABA owners are consistent.


Almost - I worked for over a year...owner probably has no money - we'll see when the certified letter is delivered...and, he has to use my work. I AM the team - I designed the logo, creeated the website, developed the Sponosrship package, the vision and mission, created all of the contacts necessary to achieve success (which will be destroyed in due time), etc.

It's all good...I documented everything well - my wife's an attorney. Hey ABA teams - did you know it's a felony to utilize labor without fairly compensating someone?

[TheStandard]

Like we say in Puerto Rico in regards of this. WEEEEEEEEEEPA! TOMA!!!!!!!!

[cglue]

Man whats wrong bro, dude it is so obvious you need some Jesus man. What is it with the hate bro. I mean this man cant help anyone in this league, I mean if you were at the meeting in April you will then realize what our aim this year. This is not a you look bad so I can look good issue man. Its called help, and its something that you need man. Come here man, you need a hug, oh by the way, how are things with the lawsuit that you so eagerly posted a few weeks ago?

cglue

[zeke41]

You tell us, Cglue...How's the lawsuit? Give me a link...who's your source...what's the news...why so vague?

[cglue]

You tell us, Cglue...How's the lawsuit? Give me a link...who's your source...what's the news...why so vague?

Let your favorite eyewitess poster give you the link. I have to know these because I have financial interest and a long term interest. He has to give you that information and you should want it from him since he started the post. I mean after all he gives us all the 100% factual news anyway. right?

cglue

[zeke41]

Actually, he gives us more accurate, hard-to-find information than most people on this board. Oh, and you can spare me the "I have to get this information, because I have a financial and long term interest...blah, blah, blah. That's code for...I'm too scared to divulge where I heard my info from because I'm afraid it may not be true! Sounds like you don't have any concrete info either, partner, because I KNOW the league doesn't inform owners and staff about law suit news, and even then you have to consider the source. I'm nearly 2 years deep in the ABA - Unless....unless...you are taking a certain some one at their word, like...say...a tv deal is on the way or something BIG like that! Nothing big is coming to a league whose stock is 4 cents and sinking except a big fat bankruptcy!

Ahhh....rookies!!!

[cglue]

No problem, if you only knew but thats cool. I have no problem with what you just said, just hold tight you will see. And ask ole a1 for the information, he should provide everything to you, the good, the bad and the ugly. But know that words dont move me bro.

cglue

[a1sports]

larry, You want to know about which law suit? to bad there are so many....

if you want to know about the jaloza law suit..I posted that last week. Joey tried to move the law suit from state to federal courtand the federal judge said ..NO. So pretty soon there will be an announcement...something to the effect of Jaloza and Fratella own the ABA..so stay tuned.

besides Cglue-larry..dont worry about what I post...worry about making your road games. OR did you forget about the day you had to go to Monterray and didnt make it....yup Larry I have it all here.

Oh...and if you think Joe can sell the ABA license to another party and then lease it back...cant happen. Oh yea..heard about that one last friday..

What was that you said about Doyle? Oh yea that to... That Doyle wants to get rid of the bad owners and make it a rich white mans league. Now who has the hate? LOL

[zeke41]

No problem, if you only knew but thats cool. I have no problem with what you just said, just hold tight you will see. And ask ole a1 for the information, he should provide everything to you, the good, the bad and the ugly. But know that words dont move me bro.

cglue

I know what else doesn't move you - a blood red financial sheet telling you the ABA is having issues. That should move you. Listen - unless that big announcement you have is something to the effect of - "Hey...ABA stocks are rising back to where they started!" It really is irrelevent.

Oh, and as for the bad and the ugly...I've seen it all, bro. I've lived it. I just hope you actually pay YOUR staff and players and refrain from manipulating the situation, promising people's hopes and dreams as a player. People would play basketball and work in pro sports for free just for the experience. Don't take advantage of that, like so many others have.

By the way...you want to join a classy league, see my new thread about class! Now THAT'S a league to be in...unless, of course, you can't afford it.

[TheStandard]

Thats 50k i would love to put up to be part owner of a PBL team :-)

[DazedAndAmused]

If there really is any "help" being given - either give the Vermont owner kudos for being a humanitarian (by all accounts he is a nice and respected guy - certainly he gets the "love" from posters on this board.....I suppose he is the envy of many here) OR give him the thumbs up for being smart enough to help out a relatively close team make it through the season that will in turn benefit his business.

What really begs the question is why would help be needed and if so, why doesn't this help come from the league? So, yes, neighbor helping neighbor to mutual benefit is a fine thing, but this set of circumstances (if true) can not in any way be viewed as a positive for the league itself. In fact, from what I can tell, the Vermont model of success is "anti ABA" in that they invested a lot of money, invested alot of time, were very well organized, and had some big names involved for many months (even a yr or more) before starting.

There may be a few other exceptions, but the norm in the ABA is generally the opposite of what is described above. I admire the heck out of what Vermont has done...but it shouldn't have been a surprise. They simply did what we all on these boards say should be done to run a team successfully. The trick is in finding enough teams who have the inclination and have enough resources to do the same. Obviously the ABA wants more Vermonts, but do they want to work hard enough to find them or is the easy lure of many 10k checks (and hoping the teams "stick") too much.

...just 2 cents from a junior member.

[heavesrock]

A1, where is proof of giving 7,500 bucks to her?

[ABA06er]

No proof exists of $7,500 given to the Newark Express owners because it never happened.
Once again A1Sports is allowed to just throw out crazy lies with out any proof , when is enough , enough ?

Seeing he was just busted in a huge lie last week , Wouldnt it be a smart idea to have the forum moderator come out and say "hey guys if you are going to make serious aligations about another team and its owners you better have proof" ?

Piss off enough owners who can prove this forum is being used to spread lies and the only lawsuit you will be talking about will be the one that shut down the forums on oursportscentral.

[DazedAndAmused]

...is how "un anonymous" it really is. Many posters here actually seem to know each other and many of those that think they are anonymous are known to be one or two people.

That isn't the case on many other forums and chat rooms. I asked an attorney friend of mine about precedent of slander and liable cases in these venues.

Basically, the response was "post and read at your own risk" because there are too many layers and issues to form any real legal precedent, not the least of which is that we are all here for our own amusement seeking a good laugh....thus the cover of satire and entertainment apply (not to mention the free speech biggee.)

If any of us actually read the disclaimer we signed when creating an account here, we would have likely seen an equivalent warning.

OSC is probably safe, as are the crazies on both sides of the issues, no matter what is said, true, false, or somewhere in the middle.

[The Magician]

Piss off enough owners who can prove this forum is being used to spread lies and the only lawsuit you will be talking about will be the one that shut down the forums on oursportscentral.

have the majority of ABA owners expressed a concern about what's being posted on the OSC Message Boards?

[zeke41]

No proof exists of $7,500 given to the Newark Express owners because it never happened.
Once again A1Sports is allowed to just throw out crazy lies with out any proof , when is enough , enough ?

Seeing he was just busted in a huge lie last week , Wouldnt it be a smart idea to have the forum moderator come out and say "hey guys if you are going to make serious aligations about another team and its owners you better have proof" ?

Piss off enough owners who can prove this forum is being used to spread lies and the only lawsuit you will be talking about will be the one that shut down the forums on oursportscentral.

Sooo...Mr. 06er. Are you saying that the ABA has never given a team money to help finish a season?

[TheStandard]

Tom Chichester needs to shut his pie hole.

[a1sports]

Marsha of Newark neded 7,500 to finish the season. the ABA gave her 7,500.She signed a promissary note to pay it back. Joe said forget about paying back.

there you go.... if you dont believe me...cal Tom Doyle Ceo of the PBL

[TheStandard]

call the guys from the rochester razorsharks they will say its true also.

btw, if Doyle is lying you know he can be disbarred so he will say THE TRUTH

[utahstarsticketholder]

Not a lawyer, owner,player or ref.... just a fan of basketball.
If Alex wants to help a fellow owner, great.
If it furthers his own business, great.
But what should concern Alex is where is the league... the one promising due diligence, background checks, letters of credit, contractual agreements for playing and training facilities..... silly me... this is the "ABA"* thread.
Good luck cgule....hope you have a plan b.
Remember our troops this 4th of July, jack and cheryl
BTW Cgule maybe you could ask Ole Joe were my refund is for the season tickets to the..... o never mind! jh
BTW2 - I think A1 is commenting on the lack of transparency in reporting on the "ABA"* for SI. jh

[preeths]

Piss off enough owners who can prove this forum is being used to spread lies and the only lawsuit you will be talking about will be the one that shut down the forums on oursportscentral.

And anyone who tries to interfere in our business will be held legally accountable for it. It does not matter if that interference comes from threats and intimidation or from other maneuvers. As someone else posted, some people are not nearly as anonymous as they think they are. We will not be bullied by threats.

[TheStandard]

like i said ABA06er aka Tom Chichester needs to shut up.

[Strong Island Sound]

I think that it is ludicrious by anyone saying that boards such as this one can be shut down. The beauty of this is that it is an open forum and people can speak their minds. Not everyone here has to agree with what is being posted. And even when there has been inaccuracies (ie- A1's recent post), they have been pointed out and corrected. If you don't like what is being written, if it is pro or anti-ABA, then don't read it.

[Fells]

I think that it is ludicrious by anyone saying that boards such as this one can be shut down. The beauty of this is that it is an open forum and people can speak their minds. Not everyone here has to agree with what is being posted. And even when there has been inaccuracies (ie- A1's recent post), they have been pointed out and corrected. If you don't like what is being written, if it is pro or anti-ABA, then don't read it.


Amen. And with that, I think this thread has gone far enough.