A1Sports taken down by Corning

[ABA06er]

It is about time someone busted A1sports for posting false information.
The following is from the "Go ahead Joe sue me" thread.

A1sports made up fake players names and said they attended the Corning Bulldogs training camp and were unhappy and he even quoted the fake players who didnt exist in his post, he even went as far as to say the players he made up drove up from the state of PA. He apparently made up the lies to hurt Corning because they are in the ABA and doing a good job and he is upset by this ?

James from Corning apparently kept detailed records of the tryouts and in his own words "exposed A1sports for what he really is"

How low is it to make up fake names of fake players and even go as far as to quote the fake players who dont exist and then post it ?



preeths
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I have been given information to show that what a1sports posted about the Corning Bulldogs tryouts was false. I have the 20-man list of those who attended the tryout, and none of those names appear on it. In addition, Mr. Schutz has stated that no players asked for a refund following the tryout.
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It appears A1 Sports did not only make up fake names of players and lie about what the fake players said he also lied about no Rochester Razorsharks players attending the Corning Bulldogs Camp and went as far as calling the Corning Bulldogs owner a liar by saying no Razorsharks were at the camp only Rochester College kids who ran the camp showed which was not the case , and he was busted again.

It turned out that Former Alabama A&M star Nigel Moore attended the Corning Bulldogs tryout camp and he was apart of this past years 2006-2007 Razorsharks team and is still even listed and pictured on on the Rochester Razorsharks website at this very second.

http://www.razorsharks.com/players.htm
Nigel Moore
#25 - Guard
Height: 6'3”
Hometown: Rochester , NY Alabama A&M
Played high school basketball at Wilson Magnet
Averaged 11.3 points per game his senior season at Alabama A&M
Played professionally for three seasons in Germany

In addition to that the Corning owner stated that, James Brown who was a 2005-2006 Rochester Razorshark attended the camp and then left the Razorsharks after the season to play pro football for the Rochester Radiers.


Hate me all you want but A1Sports has now been proven to be a liar by a man who finally had proof to counter A1sports lies. Congrads Corning.
And congrads Paul Reeths for not backing down to A1Sports and apparently banning A1sports as he has been silent since Pauls post.


Corning I still dont think Buffalo's team will suit up this year , for the sake of your travel Budget I am sure you have your fingers crossed though hahaha

[Minor League Man]

And this is ABA06er's View from the Glass House for today...

[TheStandard]

ABA06er sounds more like Joe every day

[Corning Bulldogs]

It is over and done with.

I think everyone here already knew that A1Sports was not your average anti-aba poster, he is here in my opinion because he works for someone and he has a specific agenda to take care of.

It is just unfortunate that he is willing to lie at all costs to get this agenda he has across to people.

It is his credibility that has taken the hit and I am willing to forget , forgive and move on.

Life is far to short to waste it with hate, lets move on and let it rest.


Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

[heavesrock]

A1 Has posted a lot of false info why can't you guys accept that?

[tbayz1]

Hey James just defended himself, proved a1 was lying, and stood up for himself and his business from lies

I dont think I can believe alot of the things a1 says anymore

[Pounder]

I can accept that.

I can also accept that certain members of the "other side" of this argument end up accusing the rest of us of being owners in another league when there are legitimate arguments the other way. I also accept that I'm going to be told, once I assert that I'm merely a fan, that I don't know what's going on, therefore I should shut up.

I just don't accept being told where to go either way.

Hence, a couple of my recent mantras:

"We all suck."

"It's my money, and I will use every method, rational or irrational, of ensuring it is steered toward the deserving."

I don't have to understand the inside to make my judgment. Joe Newman leaves a trail of habits that are pretty easy to decipher, plus he pretty much seals his own fate every time he writes ANYTHING.

If a league is worth it, I've been known to make road trips, so there's something for someone to gain by this with someone exiled in Idaho. I make sure not to contribute to skinflints. I'm silly that way, perhaps.

[Strong Island Sound]

If A1 did post false info, then we have to take the other posts from him with a grain of salt. It did seem that he had some inside info, and I'm sure that a lot of it was valid to a certain point. What we feel is legit or not is up to us, I suppose.

[bomp]

If A1 lied, shame on him.

I know that much of what he says is true. This would make one hell of book. I hope someone is taking notes. Chuck? Fells? :)

The 'painful' conclusion is coming.

[tbayz1]

Agreed, even though he lied, hes given us alot of good info, much of which i bet none of us would expect to find out

he was really on the ball and gave us some good info with the whole contreversy between Joe and Doyle & Company

And hes always brought up legal issues and court cases involving Joe that are very interesting

And he seems like he knows alot about the PBL too

Im going to be a little careful now believing what he says cause he lied, but i still like the guy

[TheStandard]

He who knows the truth knows it. We can assume a lie or a truth. Time will tell. Well with Joe Newman lol.

[preeths]

I have been given good reason to believe that a1sports was given the information he posted. Whether it was true or false, he didn't make it up. His ban has been lifted 12 hours early.

[TheStandard]

people are always given information true or false. so we cant assume the stuff is right or wrong until we officially know it happened

[basketoz]

OK as posted earlier as a observer, researcher and general minor league fan of basketball in North America and residing in Australia, makes my first-hand knowledge non-existant, and i do always find droping by this site as a lurker a pleasant and amusing experience nonetheless.

However in saying that , i do find it rather alarming, as the General Manager of a business myself, that supposed professional people who run supposed professional organizations (franchises and or leagues) are of the character that they find the need to exchange public opinions/blows on message boards to the amusement of the average basketball fan.

I have from experience found it always better in business to be able to mantain some degree of credibility and respectability thus resorting to public exchanges of the nature of some so gracefully provided lessons both of these much needed qualities on both a personal and professional level.

Now i am not saying one way or another what my views on the ABA are, and being a researcher the existance of said league/s keeps me in a personal hobby, yet i do wonder how long this hobby will be catered to by the likes of Messers Newman & Co, if they continue down the current path they seem quite content to pursue.

For when one refers to the upper echolen of professional sports, i would find it highly unlikely the likes of Mr Stern & Co would partake in activities of this nature.

[cglue]

Didnt I tell you guys that he was a fake and just make up post to entertain his hate for the ABA. This doesnt surprise me and Im glad that he is exposed and band. Can we all just get along without lies and hate.

cglue

[psbf]

I think you mean banned, cglue.:)

[preeths]

Didnt I tell you guys that he was a fake and just make up post to entertain his hate for the ABA. This doesnt surprise me and Im glad that he is exposed and band. Can we all just get along without lies and hate.

cglue

No, you didn't understand my post above. The point was that A1 didn't make up the information. It was given to him. If A1 is guilty of anything, it was not double-checking the info. Sorry, but as even some of his biggest critics have conceded, A1 has been right far more often than he's been wrong.

[zeke41]

Hate me all you want but A1Sports has now been proven to be a liar by a man who finally had proof to counter A1sports lies.

Uhhh...A1 is not a CEO for the ABA -
And...uhh...documentation can be doctored. I'm not saying that it was. All I'm saying is, "Do we really know everyone on here so well that we can believe ANYTHING they say?"

Corning was pretty defensive about the whole ordeal, and A1 has provided some very invaluable information. If he lied...then that is unfortunate, and that is terrible James.

I'm looking over all of these posts (I was out of town for the weekend and couldn't provide my two cents until now), and I am asking myself...how can we step up and take minor league basketball out of the hands of such a poor administration. I bleed basketball...and I'm down-right sick to death of this whole mess. I agree with Magician...we need to band together and handle this. I don't know what the solution is, but I know there is one out there, and I urge us all to begin the brainstorming process. From ignoring the ABA to picking the league most prepared to be a success, there has to be a way for us to help minor lkeague basketball get to where it needs to be.

By the way...I'm not an owner, I am Mark King - current General Manager for the Orlando Aces, of whom I have not heard from my owner in about a week! And...I am NOT GETTING PAID!!! Yeah...I'm a GM, and I'm not getting paid. Sure, sure, sure...utilize interns, but...uhhh...a GM as an INTERN??? Wonderful league we have here. My only benefit is that I am teaching myself marketing and getting experience in the basketball world. Hope I can turn it into something else, because by the looks of the financial report, my internship may not last very long.

[Corning Bulldogs]

I am a firm believer that if you post false information, then you post false information.

It should not matter who the false information originally came from. What should mattter is that A1Sports posted the 100% false information.

I dont think an *asterik that lets him off the hook should be tossed into the equation just because he sais he did not come up with the false infomation , he just took it upon himself to post it.

Also , I got a call from Nigel Moore of the 2006-2007 Rochester Razorsharks last night while I was at a graduation party and he will be attending the next set of tryouts along with former 2005-2006 Rochester Razorshark James Brown. Nigel Moore, James Brown and two Buffalo Silverback players from last year attended the first tryout camp and all will be in attendence for the next camp as well.

Nigel is a very talented player who averaged over 20 points per game overseas before playing for the Rochester Razorsharks this past season, he is currently going over offers from overseas teams while he contintues to work out with the Corning Bulldogs.

This next tryout camp will be an "Elite 20 tryout camp" meaning the only players who will be in attendence will be the top 10 players from the first tryout camp along with the top 10 applicants that we recieve.

We are not aloud to have a lot of spectators on hand but if you live in the area and wish to attend the tryout camp then message me and I will take down your name and give you directions and see to it that you are allowed in to watch.

The tryout is scheduled for July 21, 2007 and will take place from 6-9 pm but last time I could not get the players to want to stop playing and I went out of my way to get the gym time extended to 10:30 pm , we will probably run late again this time.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

[Sam Hill]

I am a firm believer that if you post false information, then you post false information.

There's a lot of truth in that. :rolleyes:

[bomp]

I'm looking over all of these posts (I was out of town for the weekend and couldn't provide my two cents until now), and I am asking myself...how can we step up and take minor league basketball out of the hands of such a poor administration. I bleed basketball...and I'm down-right sick to death of this whole mess. I agree with Magician...we need to band together and handle this. I don't know what the solution is, but I know there is one out there, and I urge us all to begin the brainstorming process. From ignoring the ABA to picking the league most prepared to be a success, there has to be a way for us to help minor lkeague basketball get to where it needs to be.

By the way...I'm not an owner, I am Mark King - current General Manager for the Orlando Aces, of whom I have not heard from my owner in about a week! And...I am NOT GETTING PAID!!! Yeah...I'm a GM, and I'm not getting paid. Sure, sure, sure...utilize interns, but...uhhh...a GM as an INTERN??? Wonderful league we have here. My only benefit is that I am teaching myself marketing and getting experience in the basketball world. Hope I can turn it into something else, because by the looks of the financial report, my internship may not last very long.



What a joke! You aren't getting paid? Your owned sounds like a real ACS indeed.

You want to clean up minor league basketball? Don't spend a dime on any of these teams. Contact the sponsors, if they have any and let them know that you don't support the team as structured. These idiot owners are the enablers in this situation. They keep feeding the disease and that disease continues to grow. Starve the 'low hanging fruit' out.

Owners, if you want to blow your money, you have every right to do just that.You are not building anything. It is a waste but it is your money and you can spend it anyway you'd like. I'm just not going to support you.

When the leagues comes clean with the facts, then I'll support it. Why no stats? What is the attendence? Why isn't there a performance bond? You don't get answers to these questions because there are none.

It is time to kick out under-financed teams in all of these leagues. If you cannot afford to meet financial and performance standards, you shouldn't own a team. This doesn't make you a bad person. But there has to be standards.

These owners have to be accountable. Why doesn't idiot minister who owned the last Baltimore team pay his team's bills?

Why doesn't he say, "I screwed up. I didn't realize what I was getting into owning a professional basketball team and I want to apologize to the fans for what I did."

"It would be swell to own a professional basketball team, Wally!"

I believe it would far better to have the D-League, the CBA and another league PERIOD. Start listening to the fans. Actually do market research. It will cost $$$ but it is worth it.

[Corning Bulldogs]

Sam I think you missed my point.

A1Sports posted fake names of players , even went as far as to quote the fake players who did not exist in the first place. He can then turn around and say it is not his fault because he just posted the information but did not come up with it ?

To me that is either a sign of mental instability or some one who is really feeling pressure from another person to put out lies and dirt about the ABA and it's teams.

I dont think A1sports has any mental issues so I would say that it is now clear that he has an agenda against the ABA and will post blatent lies inorder to get this agenda across.

Does the ABA have its flaws ? Yes. So stick to those and you wont have to go out of the way to make up people.

[bomp]

I am a firm believer that if you post false information, then you post false information.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you our special guest, Mr. Yogi Berra. Mr Berra, when did you move to Corning? Why not Elmira, Jamestown or that long time favorite, Horseheads, NY?? :D

Seriously folks, if you owners don't care what we think, why are you here at all? Did that reporter in Halifax paper just printed lies??

I know, for instance, who Paul S really is and I can assure you that he does know what he's talking about. Listen to him and save yourself some money.

Why aren't more fans coming to the games? Most teams don't bother announcing attendence. I would be ashamed too!

Wouldn't it be better if there were say 12 teams rather than 60? How about just getting those 12 running properly? That would be an amazing feat given the history of minor league basketball??

[Corning Bulldogs]

"Seriously folks, if you owners don't care what we think, why are you here at all? "

I am here because a lot of the posters on this site have vaild remarks on the ABA and how teams can make things better. Sadly it has been proven that posters on this site (A1Sports) tell bold faced lies.

Now that this has been proven you will most likley not see as many owners hanging around on this forum.

[bomp]

Now that this has been proven you will most likley not see as many owners hanging around on this forum.

Hopefully, you are right. They should be out selling tickets and sponsorships now. And maybe if there are fewer owners, there might be srome stability to this league in the future.

The 'weak sisters' have to move on. Sorry.

[preeths]

I am a firm believer that if you post false information, then you post false information.

It should not matter who the false information originally came from. What should mattter is that A1Sports posted the 100% false information.

I dont think an *asterik that lets him off the hook should be tossed into the equation just because he sais he did not come up with the false infomation , he just took it upon himself to post it.

Corning Bulldogs
www.corningbulldogs.com (http://www.corningbulldogs.com)

It speaks to intent. I would hope you agree that there is a difference between someone making up information and someone believing info from a third party.

[Alumni96]

It speaks to intent. I would hope you agree that there is a difference between someone making up information and someone believing info from a third party.

So who was the third party? Who came up with the false info? The info was blatantly false and he should not be absolved just because he supposedly didn't come up with it.

[heavesrock]

Exactly. Who was the third party? Anyhow, if someone is given information that could hurt someones business, they should look into it and make sure it is true before announcing it in a public place.

[zeke41]

It's the ABA folks - nothing hurts the business more than a company-jumping CEO that doesn't invest time and energy into making the league better. And I know the hurdles of promoting an ABA team to sponsors. Man, if they do the research on the ABA, there's a firm, "We're really not interested at this time, Thank you!" to great your follow up call!

Perhaps, now, if the Corning Team fails, we can blame it on A1...right?


Ridiculous how much attention he has gotten over this garbage. There should be a law...nothing twisted into a positive for the ABA until the front office changes, becasue the way I see it, anything that helps move the ABA toward a changing of the guard serves a bigger, better purpose for minor league basketball. It's time for a change, folks!

Hey James...you pay your participation (or whatever it's called) dues to Joe for this season yet?

[Corning Bulldogs]

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It speaks to intent. I would hope you agree that there is a difference between someone making up information and someone believing info from a third party.

So who was the third party? Who came up with the false info? The info was blatantly false and he should not be absolved just because he supposedly didn't come up with it.


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Exactly. Who was the third party? Anyhow, if someone is given information that could hurt someones business, they should look into it and make sure it is true before announcing it in a public place.
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Heavesrock and Alumni , I agree %100 with you. However apparently in this forum you can post lies and mudsling as long as you inform the moderator that the false information came from a third party which makes it more acceptable which in this case even lifted his ban from the site by 12 hours according to the moderator.

I am sure Paul knows who A1Sports is and who the third party was (if one actually existed ) If I wanted to get my lawyers involved it would all come out in the end but at this point everyone knows it was all B.S. so it would just be a waste of time and money.

But guys im with you on this one, posting false information being more acceptable just because you posted someone elses garbage for them is Unbelievable.

[DazedAndAmused]

You can't blame Corning for his response and fury to make the truth known. He is being put into a terrible spot in that he has to defend the league against its haters (some of whom are justified) and concentrate on his own business of developing a team. We would all do the same if we were in the same situation. It's even more unfair if there are outright falsehoods spewing.

We can only hope that the league (and the teams around him) can somehow step up to support him in the way his new team deserves.

Most of what i have seen from the ABA is in the Southeast. The Wilmington, NC paper had a column called "Only in the ABA" that chronicled the whacky tales of the league at the end of every good story about the Sea Dawgs team. It was a constant reinforcement to the situation their team found itself in...cancelled games because opposing players weren't getting paid, last minute trips because teams folded, teams showing up without uniforms, teams showing up with 5 players or "Y" players, etc. They even took a 12 hour bus ride just to find out that the game was cancelled when they showed up (even after calling to confirm the day before.)

The Wilmington team was well funded and met its obligations, but ultimately couldn't take a risk on another season in the ABA, especially since the 5 or 6 closest teams to them didn't complete the season last year, went to the PBL, or showed up with rec league players. In the end, it's about what you do in your local market, but if the other guys aren't bringing professionals or professionalism to your local venue, it is a tough road.

Hopefully, the teams in Corning's division will do better, because they seem to being doing their part and beyond.

[preeths]

Exactly. Who was the third party? Anyhow, if someone is given information that could hurt someones business, they should look into it and make sure it is true before announcing it in a public place.

Agreed, the info should have been confirmed before it was posted.

[TheStandard]

when it comes to reports you have to check your sources.

btw, BSN has the clash of titans tonight. Traylor vs Fizer. Fizer is going to light it up tonight. and Samaki Walker ready to play the role of spoiler in the BSN

-first time i root for an opponent in the BSN

[preeths]

We all need to keep in mind that this is a message board, an open forum in which posters have a fairly wide latitude. If you expect to see nothing but pure, undiluted, substantiated and confirmed fact, open forums are generally not your best bet. We cannot verify everything posted, nor can we even read it all, for that matter.

You have to look at these boards as you would any newspaper message board. Most information that goes into the paper itself is likely to be researched and verified to the best of the organization's ability. Stuff on their boards? It's a crapshoot. Message boards will never have the same verification and fact-checking involved that a media source does. It's the nature of an open forum. I think most people realize this.

Having said that, if you see anything that you believe is untrue or breaks board rules, PM the moderators. We do our best to keep posters honest.

[jamesaba]

when it comes to reports you have to check your sources.

btw, BSN has the clash of titans tonight. Traylor vs Fizer. Fizer is going to light it up tonight. and Samaki Walker ready to play the role of spoiler in the BSN

-first time i root for an opponent in the BSN

Hey Standard,

How does the rest of the BSN playoffs work? They have the Round Robin ending in a few days and then what? What date is the final series or championship game? And will the final series be all televised?

[TheStandard]

Round Robin playoffs is 10 games total for each team. 8 team tournament. after the 8 theres four. 1 vs 4 2 vs 3 and that series is 4 of 7 then the finals 4 of 7. It's all done in the 3rd week of july. Next year season starts in march will end in May. playoffs throughout june and it will head to a 3 of 5 semi's and a 4 of 7 finals instead to comply with FIBA's all FIBA leagues must finish by June 30th (including playoffs). Semi's start tuesday and they will be fast and furious with only two days off in 9 days. Cant wait till next year we will condense things as per FIBA's say and have more fun.

Round Robin, Semi's and finals are televised :-)

[cglue]

We all need to keep in mind that this is a message board, an open forum in which posters have a fairly wide latitude. If you expect to see nothing but pure, undiluted, substantiated and confirmed fact, open forums are generally not your best bet. We cannot verify everything posted, nor can we even read it all, for that matter.

You have to look at these boards as you would any newspaper message board. Most information that goes into the paper itself is likely to be researched and verified to the best of the organization's ability. Stuff on their boards? It's a crapshoot. Message boards will never have the same verification and fact-checking involved that a media source does. It's the nature of an open forum. I think most people realize this.

Having said that, if you see anything that you believe is untrue or breaks board rules, PM the moderators. We do our best to keep posters honest.

Thats interesting, we are also here to discuss truths and other news that we learn though the day. This is a place where everyone is judged by information that we ourselves provide. Not to slander someone cause we cause we have different opinions and beliefs. Thats what A1 does and doesnt care about the truth. Your opinion states that he has given mostly good information and my opinion is that he is driven by hate for some reason. At the end of the day he lied and thats the bottom line. He can hide behind someone else teling him that information all he wants BUT HE IS A LIAR. Hell I said it a few days ago before all this came out and he just proved me right. Now ask him about the update on the lawsuits now, so eager to post the drama but hard to post the reality of it. I know we have a challenge ahead of us in this league and thats cool, I along with others here admit that, but now what. Hell I tell you what, we keep moving on and make things better thats what. We have big news coming out in the next few days and I hope you guys realize whats about to happen.

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[TheStandard]

"Com Witness The Takerover" 2007-2008 is that misspelling on purpose?

larry whats the big announcement that the 80 year old will have 100 year old teammate and roy jones is going to talk about he was the greatest (when you fight scrubs you are nothing. proven fact) lol

ok spill out the beans. no Jurassic players right?

[cglue]

My spellcheck button has just folded and Im looking for a replacement. LOL

Just stay tune and wait for our upcoming news and things arent final with Roy Jones yet because he is still planning to fight and I dont want to get in the way of that.

cglue