Home teams now pay officials

[HAC]

Heard that the league office sent out an email that the home teams are now responsible for paying officials prior to the game.

Cagerz have already played a chunk of their home games, while a team like Brooklyn has played, I believe, just one.

Guess the league lost its lawsuit with former franchise Westchester and has no moolah.

I wonder how the officials for the tournament will be paid?

Are teams really listening to anything the league office has to say? If the league fined a team would any team actually give it money?

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

Heard that the league office sent out an email that the home teams are now responsible for paying officials prior to the game.

Cagerz have already played a chunk of their home games, while a team like Brooklyn has played, I believe, just one.

Guess the league lost its lawsuit with former franchise Westchester and has no moolah.

I wonder how the officials for the tournament will be paid?

Are teams really listening to anything the league office has to say? If the league fined a team would any team actually give it money?

Actually, I've always thought the teams should pay the officials and make sure there are officials for a game (as I have posted before). It only makes sense to me. The league office is half a country away from most of the teams and is therefore naturally out of touch. The individual teams should be 100% responsible for putting on a show. The league office should be responsible for making sure new and struggling teams are doing things right (the league dropped the ball with Jackson)...well, they should be responsible for making sure EVERYONE is doing things right. However, the teams should have the ultimate responsibility for satisfying their own fans.

[HAC]

Actually, I've always thought the teams should pay the officials and make sure there are officials for a game (as I have posted before). It only makes sense to me. The league office is half a country away from most of the teams and is therefore naturally out of touch..

I'm assuming the individual teams have already deposited money to the league for officials, so now the home teams are paying for them again.

I think the league should be responsible for scheduling and paying officials. That way some shoddily run team doesn't skip out on its bill or simply pay a couple of in-house refs to do all its home games.

The league office has to be responsible for something or why have one? Distance has nothing to do with it, it's not like messages are being carried by Pony Express. With cellphones, email, fax machines, nobody should be out of touch.

Fact is, the league office simply puts forth zero effort.

[AConcernedCitizen]

In foreign leagues, the league head office assigns the refs but the home team pays them before the start of the game.

No one complains and it works fine.

[bectond]

It seems to me that the USBL has officially joined the "RACE TO THE BOTTOM".

Get ready for some ole fashion home cookin fellas, YE HAH!!!!

The USBL is adopting the ABA, IBL model and which reminds me of that ole Queen classic, "Bohemian Rhapsody" in the USBL these days "Nothing seems to matter anymore".

[HAC]

In foreign leagues, the league head office assigns the refs but the home team pays them before the start of the game.

No one complains and it works fine.

My point/concern is that teams have already paid for refs and are now having to pay for them again because the league has no money.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

My point/concern is that team have already paid for refs and are now having to pay for them again because the league has no money.

Is it a fact that the teams have already paid for the refs through league fees? If so, then something can always be worked-out...We covered (x) amount of dollars for refs, so our future league fees should be...for example. If it's not a fact that refs have already been paid for once already, then what's the problem?

bectond,
What are you talking about now? You lost me.

[Fells]

Out of curiosity, has it gotten to the point where USBL officials have to be paid in cash like they do in the ABA? For once I am not bashing the ABA, just asking.

Fells

[HAC]

Is it a fact that the teams have already paid for the refs through league fees? If so, then something can always be worked-out...We covered (x) amount of dollars for refs, so our future league fees should be...for example. If it's not a fact that refs have already been paid for once already, then what's the problem?

"FUTURE LEAGUE FEES?"

My goodness, there is no future to this league.

And, hell, I don't know what the "facts" are since I don't work for the league, I just know what I've been told: Money was already in the coffers to cover officials. That money is gone. Home teams now must pay the officials.

Could the info be wrong? Yep.

But if it's right that means money has been paid for officials, but it didn't get to them and now home teams have to cover the costs a second time.

And some teams have many more home games left than others so they'll have to dish out even more money.

And who is going to pay for the officials at post-season tourney, assuming there is one?

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

Out of curiosity, has it gotten to the point where USBL officials have to be paid in cash like they do in the ABA? For once I am not bashing the ABA, just asking.

Fells

The day the Jackson Wildcats were kicked-out of the league, the refs made it clear that they would not work unless they were paid first. The Jackson owner was AWOL with no organization in place, so cash or certified check would have been the only way to go.

The refs that come to Gary are the same guys who have been coming to Gary for years (since Gary's CBA days). Therefore, money for refs or availability of refs has never been an issue in Gary.

Why refs seem to be such an issue in Kansas is beyond me.

[TEN]

HAC...I have not seen an e-mail from the league office that says that we pay the officials every night.

It's very sad to see what has happened to the USBL...Lynn, Ed, Jake and all of the teams have worked too hard and spent too much money to see this happen to a league that really should have a lot going for it.

This year the talent level is a good as it has been in a long time. You get a lot of D-league and CBA players on the teams...and the budget is about 1/3 of a CBA team and about 1/5 of a D-league team.

I would say that you haven't heard the end of the Dodge City Legend, Oklahoma Storm, Kansas Cagerz...etc....

[bectond]

bectond,
What are you talking about now? You lost me.

Your were supposed to use your imagination,

“Race to the Bottom” refers to the reduction in welfare, taxes and trade barriers by a state in an attempt to attract business from another state. Thus, attracting the worst kind of business(see ABA...), which is driven out of the other states due to behavior that is contrary to the public interest. The “race” will increase poverty and drive the poor to the few remaining areas that retain protections. In the end the last remaining states will have to drop their protections in order to survive.

Basketball leagues are experiencing this now, the “race” between leagues will lead to the lowering of existing regulations and standards by the established leagues (CBA and USBL). The “race” forces the established leagues “to the bottom” due to their lack of ideas concerning the attraction of desirable investors.

Bohemian Rhapsody is a classic rock song written by Freddie Mercury, it is about the events that directly proceed an execution.

The USBL has a number of liabilities that the IBL and the WBA do not have, therefore the league is required to collect higher monthly dues from its teams. The USBL however, refuses to maintain any semblance of operational standards, in fact they are currently attempting to shift their responsibilities onto the individual clubs. The high fees combined with the lack of manage skills and existing liabilities are the events that are preceding the eminent extinction of the USBL. Why pay the league monthly dues for managerial services that are not performed.

Mercury sang:

“Caught in a landslide” -this reminds me of the USBL’s current situation
“No escape from reality” - this reminds me of the bleak state of the USBL’s future
“ nothing really matters to me” - this reminds me of the USBL and how they have entered into the “race” without regard to standards, regulations, quality controls or the public interest.

[one way]

All the bashing Ken has done on the CBA and how high he was on the USBL. Now the USBL is floundering and the CBA seems to be gaining strength. Will Gary go to the CBA with hat in hand?? How does crow taste Ken?

[HAC]

HAC...I have not seen an e-mail from the league office that says that we pay the officials every night.

It's very sad to see what has happened to the USBL...Lynn, Ed, Jake and all of the teams have worked too hard and spent too much money to see this happen to a league that really should have a lot going for it.

This year the talent level is a good as it has been in a long time. You get a lot of D-league and CBA players on the teams...and the budget is about 1/3 of a CBA team and about 1/5 of a D-league team.

I would say that you haven't heard the end of the Dodge City Legend, Oklahoma Storm, Kansas Cagerz...etc....

Have you had a home game since I guess it would be last Friday when the Cagerz said they got the e-mail?

What do officials make?

It is a shame to see the league fall so far in the past 2 or 3 seasons, but it seems the league officials always acted as if there were no problems rather than addressing them head on.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

Your were supposed to use your imagination,

“Race to the Bottom” refers to the reduction in welfare, taxes and trade barriers by a state in an attempt to attract business from another state. Thus, attracting the worst kind of business(see ABA...), which is driven out of the other states due to behavior that is contrary to the public interest. The “race” will increase poverty and drive the poor to the few remaining areas that retain protections. In the end the last remaining states will have to drop their protections in order to survive.

Basketball leagues are experiencing this now, the “race” between leagues will lead to the lowering of existing regulations and standards by the established leagues (CBA and USBL). The “race” forces the established leagues “to the bottom” due to their lack of ideas concerning the attraction of desirable investors.

Bohemian Rhapsody is a classic rock song written by Freddie Mercury, it is about the events that directly proceed an execution.

The USBL has a number of liabilities that the IBL and the WBA do not have, therefore the league is required to collect higher monthly dues from its teams. The USBL however, refuses to maintain any semblance of operational standards, in fact they are currently attempting to shift their responsibilities onto the individual clubs. The high fees combined with the lack of manage skills and existing liabilities are the events that are preceding the eminent extinction of the USBL. Why pay the league monthly dues for managerial services that are not performed.

Mercury sang:

“Caught in a landslide” -this reminds me of the USBL’s current situation
“No escape from reality” - this reminds me of the bleak state of the USBL’s future
“ nothing really matters to me” - this reminds me of the USBL and how they have entered into the “race” without regard to standards, regulations, quality controls or the public interest.

DOH! Is that the song where they go--Weeeee are the champions, my friends...? I'm not good with lyrics, so I stick to movies for analogies.

one way,
I'll stand by anything I've said about the current version of the CBA. Not sure why the subject keeps coming up, but forget about the Steelheads going back to the CBA with hat in hand. It's not going to happen. The USBL is floundering more than going from a ten team league to a seven team league? Really? Did you come to the floundering conclusion based on the topic of this thread, Home teams now pay officials? If you did, then you may want to wait for verification first. Home teams now pay officials, appears to be inaccurate as of this posting. If not, then I don't see the problems with the USBL as being a major hinderance. I only started following the league this year and I don't remember when the league was supposed to be great. I don't have much to use as a barometer, so the USBL seems like a fine little Spring league to me. The fans in Gary don't have much to complain about.

The rumors seem to be just that--rumors.

[HAC]

Cagerz paid officials last night.

Officials make $200 per game.

[TEN]

Oklahoma's east coast trip was shortened yesterday.....Delaware forfeited their two games with the Storm that were supposed to be played today and tomorrow...

Not going to go into the details right now....but it looks like we are now at 6...

[HAC]

Oklahoma's east coast trip was shortened yesterday.....Delaware forfeited their two games with the Storm that were supposed to be played today and tomorrow...

Not going to go into the details right now....but it looks like we are now at 6...

USBL has it on the web site. They must be in a hurry to get out of the office because the two-sentence release has four or five typos.

I heard after last night's Cagerz game that it appeared Delaware was kaput.

If I'm the host city for the post-season tourney I might be calling it off right now.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

...If I'm the host city for the post-season tourney I might be calling it off right now.

Cool! Gary would love to host the tourney because Gary's baseball team is on the road the last few weeks of June. No competition. :D

[nksports]

Cool! Gary would love to host the tourney because Gary's baseball team is on the road the last few weeks of June. No competition. :D

What's Gary drawing a game. I know Kansas is drawing a little over 1,000 on the box scores I've seen. Dodge City isn't putting attendance on their box scores. (they did draw approx. 600 for a charity exhibition). Oklahoma has been spotty in that regard.

[panchess]

..though basically the season has become an elimination tournament, the six remaining teams are the ones that would have won the first round of the tournament anyway. Only Jackson of the four disbanded teams won a game, and they only won one against Oklahoma.

Now that they have been resurrected, will the Long Island PrimeTime sign any of their draft picks?

I am debating going to tomorrow night's game against Brooklyn, but I won't be at the PrimeTime games. The New Jersey Meteors was enough of house teams, or as I am assuming, the Delaware players are now PrimeTime.

What I am wondering if whether the Stars really folded two weeks ago, and this is just their next game. The comeback talk was hilarious.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

What's Gary drawing a game. I know Kansas is drawing a little over 1,000 on the box scores I've seen. Dodge City isn't putting attendance on their box scores. (they did draw approx. 600 for a charity exhibition). Oklahoma has been spotty in that regard.

Gary drew 992 the last game I attended. In the 900's the game before that. 2,204 opening day. I wasn't at the last home game and don't know the attendance from that game--conflict with baseball. Baseball trumps all.

When the Steelheads were in the CBA, fans did not start flocking to the Genesis Center until the run for the playoffs. Attendance will likewise increase by season's end if the USBL tournament is held in Gary (we enjoy waiting until the last minute here)...it would be great for Gary if Oklahoma, this year's tourney host, feels the same as HAC.

Ask me again after Saturday and Monday's games. I'll have a better idea about Gary attendance then.

[HAC]

Hosting always sounds fun, but if your team is eliminated in the first round you can say goodbye to whatever fans you did have.

And if you somehow end up with two Eastern teams in the championship game ... ugh. Trust me, I've seen it.

The one thing about the tourney being in Dodge City, OK or Salina is that there'd be a few fans who would make the trip to the tourney.

If tourney was in Gary, I doubt many are going to make the trip, especially with what will be $3.75 a gallon gas by then. It's going to hurt no matter the location.

Oklahoma needs to play a little better and make sure they at least get to the tourney semifinals to help at its box office.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

What's Gary drawing a game. I know Kansas is drawing a little over 1,000 on the box scores I've seen. Dodge City isn't putting attendance on their box scores. (they did draw approx. 600 for a charity exhibition). Oklahoma has been spotty in that regard.

Gary drew 2,064 tonight (Saturday). Quite a few Kansas fans at the Genesis Center...who let them in? Chris Daleo, CBA Minot coach, was also in attendance. Someone said, I'll be needing help this spring and Chris thought they said Albany needs help this spring. ;)

[HAC]

Gary drew 2,064 tonight (Saturday). Quite a few Kansas fans at the Genesis Center...who let them in? Chris Daleo, CBA Minot coach, was also in attendance. Someone said, I'll be needing help this spring and Chris thought they said Albany needs help this spring. ;)

Was there really that many actually there? Salina radio indicated a fairly small crowd.

Cagerz players had some family there. One, Jason Miller, requested 20 tickets.

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

Was there really that many actually there? Salina radio indicated a fairly small crowd.

Cagerz players had some family there. One, Jason Miller, requested 20 tickets.

...and to make matters worse, the Cagerz team bus pulled-up to Bennigan's Bar and Grill after the game while us Gary fans were still inside Bennigan's drowning our sorrows. 8)

It WAS a fairly small crowd. The place holds 6500 and 2064 were in attendance. No conspiracy here. The photo below is from last night's game. You can see the Salina radio team in red and black at the media table. I knew they must be from Salina because no one wears solid red and black in Gary except street gang members:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/kennethap/DSCI0272.jpg

I love photos. You can't see the blue section in the photo and there were fewer fans in that section. Maybe that is what the radio team saw since they couldn't see the fans behind them. Also, Gary fans traditionally show up late for games. There is a term for this cronic lateness, but I won't get into it on this forum. :D

[HAC]

Yeah, watching the video I would have guessed about 1200 to 1500,which IMO would have been a good crowd in itself.

Did you chit-chat with any of the Cagerz?

Cagerz typically announce from 1200 to 1400 fans, but my guess is that actual butts in seats lately has been about 900.