2007-08 NBDL Season

[mzracing76]

with the league expanding to 16 teams next season, hopefully we can play 56 games again. i hate these small seasons. 56 is perfect.

each team would play:
8-games within your division
4-games with the other division within conference
2-games vs each team from other conference.
***40 conference games, and 16 non-conference games


4-team divisions

top four teams make playoffs from each conference

and hopefully we can play a playoff series per each round

1) Divisional Series=best of five...2-2-1
2) Conference Finals=best of fice...2-2-1
3) League Finals=best of seven...2-3-2

the way it should be

MZ

[Minor League Man]

So the alignment would be:

WESTERN CONFERENCE:
NORTHWEST DIVISION
Bakersfield Jam
Colorado 14ers
Idaho Stampede
Utah Flash
SOUTHWEST DIVISION
Albuquerque T-Birds
Anaheim Arsenal
Los Angeles D-Fenders
Rio Grande Valley

EASTERN CONFERENCE:
MIDWEST DIVISION
Dakota Wizards
Fort Wayne (Fury?)
Iowa
Sioux Falls Skyforce
MID-SOUTH DIVISION
Arkansas RimRockers
Austin Toros
Fort Worth Flyers
Tulsa 66ers


Whaddaya think?

[DakotaWizardsFan]

I'd love to see that sort of format and playoff series, but wouldn't the season get too long? Unless you would schedule games closer together, but then there's less practice time.

The season would go into May with this format.

The way you sorted out the divisions looks fine though.

[flasah]

I think this works better:

WESTERN CONFERENCE:
PACIFIC DIVISION
Anaheim Arsenal
Bakersfield Jam
Los Angeles D-Fenders
Idaho Stampede

SOUTHWEST DIVISION
Albuquerque T-Birds
Colorado 14ers
Utah Flash
Tulsa 66ers

EASTERN CONFERENCE:
MIDWEST DIVISION
Dakota Wizards
Fort Wayne (Fury?)
Iowa
Sioux Falls Skyforce

SOUTH DIVISION
Arkansas RimRockers
Austin Toros
Fort Worth Flyers
Rio Grande Valley


Or else three divisions:

NORTH DIVISION
Colorado 14ers
Dakota Wizards
Fort Wayne (Fury?)
Iowa
Sioux Falls Skyforce

SOUTH DIVISION
Albuquerque T-Birds
Arkansas RimRockers
Austin Toros
Fort Worth Flyers
Rio Grande Valley
Tulsa 66ers

WEST DIVISION
Anaheim Arsenal
Bakersfield Jam
Los Angeles D-Fenders
Idaho Stampede
Utah Flash

Patrick

[Pounder]

Don't count those chickens yet... there's still eggs in the basket.

No evidence, just a hunch... and plenty of observed history. I'm thinking there will be a handful of teams going away.

BTW... gotta laugh at people placing Idaho and Utah in separate divisions. Alignments do not have to require putting square pegs in round holes for the sake of having consistent numbers.

[USBasket_EricE]

I too like the 2-3 format. I never did care for the 2-2-1. Doesn't the NBA use 2-2-1-1 in all of their games, or have they changed it now?

By the way, I got a kick out of your signature, bectond!

[mzracing76]

The Alignment would be like this:

Eastern Conference:
...East Division
...Central Division

Western Conference:
...Midwest Division
...West Division

Now go and match up the teams...

there is nothign wrong with the 56 game schedule. we used it from 1989-01. 56 games is too many when you only have 10 or less teams. cause then you play each other 7-9 times. but when you have 16 teams, a 56-game schedule is Perfect. I just want a chance to top our all time record of 47-9, and we cant do that with a shortened season. it was fun actually winning 40 games a year back then. and you would have 28 home dates.

and yes, you would play more games within your division than the other conference, much less your opposite division.

Divisional Games..............24 games (8 per team)

Conference Games...........40 games (8 in your division, and 4 each opposite your division)

Non-Conference Games.....16 games (2 per team)

this is the way it was in the past, and i liked this schedule form.
the trick is aligning your divisions so your not traveling so much.
thus is the reason why you only play 16 non conference games.

1989-90 CBA Alignment:

American Conference-
Eastern Division:
1-Albany
2-Grand Rapids
3-Pensacola
4-Columbus

Central Division:
1-Quad City
2-Rockford
3-Lacrosse
4-Ceder Rapids

National Conference-
Midwest Division:
1-Rapid City
2-Sioux Falls
3-Omaha
4-Topeka/Yakima

Western Division:
1-Tulsa
2-Santa Barbara
3-San Jose
4-Wichita Falls

thats how our divisions were aligned in 89-90 of the CBA. and we played the above mentioned Number of Games. it was perfect. we used this for almost 6 years, it only changed when the league fell to 9 teams which is quite understandable.

i cant wait for 16 teams again.

MZ

[Pounder]

Excuse me for invoking a Dilberting of sorts...

"If you do what you done, you get what you got."

Usually, when there's a schedule reduction, it's an admission that most teams were losing money in operations. "There's nothing wrong" is way off the mark.

The CBA was already a shell of its heyday when Isiah Thomas nuked it. The leage's shot at going Phoenix means rethinking other parts of the operation (perhaps rule changes, perhaps presentation, perhaps scope), and probably not divisional alignments or revisiting long-gone markets. The CBA comes to mind because, of course, mz thinks reviving it is the way to go. There are things that the D-League can take away from it, and things that they can't... but I really do wonder if the D is going to morph in a completely different direction.

That direction- reducing the cost of developing players. College ball inflates and distorts the value of top talent... one need only look at the number of highly touted players who are busts in the NBA to figure that out. Using the D-League to actually develop young players under NBA rules (which isn't the case yet) is IMO both smarter and POTENTIALLY cheaper than letting the NCAA do the work.

[bectond]

I’ll take that reply one step further my friend, it should be a criminal offense to subjugate a top notch athlete to play for such hacks (college coaches). It is a right to play pro ball and a condemnation to enlist on an NCAA team. The structural realities are contentious and the coaches can’t identify or teach a specific skill set properly. The culpability that the NBA is devoid of low post players should lie at the head of those ego manic coaches. The NBA needs to take over the development of American youngsters ASAP!

[rams80]

I’ll take that reply one step further my friend, it should be a criminal offense to subjugate a top notch athlete to play for such hacks (college coaches). It is a right to play pro ball and a condemnation to enlist on an NCAA team. The structural realities are contentious and the coaches can’t identify or teach a specific skill set properly. The culpability that the NBA is devoid of low post players should lie at the head of those ego manic coaches. The NBA needs to take over the development of American youngsters ASAP!

They play there for one year if they are truly top notch. College coaches, for the most part, are not hacks. If I were to take a stab at the two biggest problems for college-NBA transition...

Season length. (Solution, NBA shortens season, which would also end the glorified exhibition that is the NBA before January).

teamwork (or lack thereof on the NBA level). Solution? Change the culture of the NBA.

[Pounder]

College coaches, for the most part, are not hacks.

Quote from the media world: "It's not the Xs and Os, it's the Jimmies and Joes." Recruiting determines your fate. NBA coaches complain that they have to teach skills. AAU probably teaches more skills.

Season length. (Solution, NBA shortens season, which would also end the glorified exhibition that is the NBA before January)..

...and your proposal to replace that lost income is...

teamwork (or lack thereof on the NBA level). Solution? Change the culture of the NBA.

Have you watched any ESPN Classic? Even in the 80s, where team play was lauded, even in a Lakers-Celtics playoff game, watch the number of mid-range jumpers that go up within 6 seconds of the rebound. Watch the defensive effort. Teams have gone to isolation because teams since then actually started playing DEFENSE. Some of that is because NBA takes what college gives them- which NOW is a lot of 6'5" to 6'9" players who can barely handle the ball but are quick as all get out. If you want to see Princeton basketball in the NBA, skills have to be taught so these athletes could actually be capable of making the necessary passes.

[sportsguy12]

Don't count those chickens yet... there's still eggs in the basket.

No evidence, just a hunch... and plenty of observed history. I'm thinking there will be a handful of teams going away.

BTW... gotta laugh at people placing Idaho and Utah in separate divisions. Alignments do not have to require putting square pegs in round holes for the sake of having consistent numbers.

Most of the teams seem viable - Fort Worth and Arkansas, maybe?

[AConcernedCitizen]

If a team averaged less than 3,000 in the D-League, then I think it was probably in trouble.

The D-League needs to be about 5,000 per night; if not now, then within 5 years.

Did anyone get 5,000 this year?

[HKF]

It looks like Arkansas will be the team that moves. The franchise will not fold but should be moving their operations to La Crosse, Wisconsin. There are only going to be 16 teams in the D-League for '07-08, guaranteeing that there are two NBA teams per D-League team (not including the Lakers team). I think if the league as it stands right now doesn't work in Little Rock because an 18,000 seat arena for a league that is growing isn't going to work right now. It's a mere formality, but by June the RimRockers should be playing in La Crosse.

Here is the link:

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/05/02/news/00lead.txt

[DakotaWizardsFan]

If a team averaged less than 3,000 in the D-League, then I think it was probably in trouble.

The D-League needs to be about 5,000 per night; if not now, then within 5 years.

Did anyone get 5,000 this year?

If you have to average at least 3,000. then the whole league is basically in trouble. Sioux Falls and Dakota (I think, but I'm not sure though. I know we've had more than 3,000 people numerous times) and maybe one other team average over 3,000.

I don't think anyone averaged 5,000 a game, but I know that the championship game had 5,224 people attending.