Odessa's new uniforms

[50 Yard Fan]

The Roughnecks held a press conference Wednesday to unveil their new uniforms....has anyone seen any pictures???

[phydeaux72]

The Roughnecks held a press conference Wednesday to unveil their new uniforms....has anyone seen any pictures???

I've seen pictures and they're pretty sharp.

[twgmdd]

Any pics or will I have to see them Saturday.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

not even new uni's can make the Roughnecks look good this season.

[phydeaux72]

not even new uni's can make the Roughnecks look good this season.

OOOooooo .... good one!

TVV, still hangin on to the past, I see. Just let it go, man! It's gotta be eating you up inside!

:rolleyes:

[phydeaux72]

real nice of someone to keep deleting my posts. Sorry I'm not a member of your IFL clique

Not really sure I know what you're talking about ... IFL clique. I mean, if I had that kind of power, I wouldn't bother deleting your posts, I would just delete your account altogether. I don't know, maybe if you weren't such a jackass all the time your posts wouldn't get deleted. Ever think about that?

By the way, I noticed that you're little buddy "malepig" hasn't been around much lately either.

[sportsguy]

TVV:
Why don't you take some of your hate energy, and put it toward helping your last place football team?

[Permianman]

not even new uni's can make the Roughnecks look good this season.

Here we go with this guy again. He is no where to be found when things go well for Odessa. He only shows up when something bad happens to Odessa or when his team actually wins. Which is not very often either way. I still have that bet that says the Roughnecks win 8 to 9 more games than TVV this year.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

well, I'm right here m'friends. hey hey hey Roughneck Football. Hey hey hey, Pride of the basin..

BTW< Vipers are doing great. Thanks for your concern.

[Permianman]

well, I'm right here m'friends. hey hey hey Roughneck Football. Hey hey hey, Pride of the basin..

BTW< Vipers are doing great. Thanks for your concern.

Glad to see that you visit the Roughnecks website. Now stay with us for the long haul. Don't just chime in when you feel like making a wise crack. If you are going to be on this board be on it all the way all the time.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Well, I'll assume it's you that's been censoring me. There is no way I could ever support the Roughneck coaches after their best attempt to wreck our program.

[exit322]

Sterling got banned from this (and just about every other) forum.

[Permianman]

Well, I'll assume it's you that's been censoring me. There is no way I could ever support the Roughneck coaches after their best attempt to wreck our program.

No I have not been censoring you. Don't care that much. I don't think our coaches tried to wreck your program. I think they left a good program to try to get yours off of the ground. Of course you were not patient and we have them back. We have been thru all of this before though. Your program as it sits right now would be in the same place it is now if they had stayed. As a matter of fact your program has probably benefitted from our guys playing the role of fall guys. I have many friends like you. Undercover racists. You show all of the signs. You are obcessed with this and won't let it go. I am a white guy and I know a racist when I see one. You never wanted our coach there and now that he is gone you continue to follow his team. Most people would have let it go by now. And by knowing the words to the Roughnecks song it shows that you frequent the website. I hate to be the person who brings this to light but as with a couple of my buddies I know the signs.

[Permianman]

And by the way, this is a subject to you (TVV) only because your team is on a 2 game winning streak. We were not hearing from you when you guys were 1-2. And I know that we won't hear again when 3-2 turns to 3-8. And from the looks of your last win (i just looked at the score) you don't have too much to be proud of. Less than 30 points versus a struggling team does not mean you have it turned yet. But I understand...brag while you can!

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Racist?? That's soooooooo weak. Chris and I got along great when he was here. Gary Patterson is a buffoon. When did he become black, btw?!? And Haywood Hill's record?? Need I say more???? Hey, you guys taunt us and it's been wins over some of the best teams in our superior league since. I wish your coaches well, but I'd never have any of them coach any team I support. And you can feel comfortable that you'll hear from me whenever I'm not censored, irrespective of record. Course, whenever I'm not censored is rare cause you guys can't handle the truth. For that same reason, I doubt you'll ever see myself and Sterling here at the same time. Course, we just kicked his team's butt too.

[rams80]

Well, I'll assume it's you that's been censoring me. There is no way I could ever support the Roughneck coaches after their best attempt to wreck our program.

I think it had more to do with the fact that the Vipers were starting from scratch last year with possibly undercapitalized owners. *whistles innocently*

Is this year the Roughneck coaches' fault too?

[phydeaux72]

Hey, you guys taunt us...

No one was taunting you until you felt the need to come back into this forum and run your mouth again. Taunt and you will be taunted.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

This year?? We're doing well, thank you. I suspct we could even beat the best the IFL has to offer <eyeroll>.

[Permianman]

[QUOTE=rams80;47389]I think it had more to do with the fact that the Vipers were starting from scratch last year with possibly undercapitalized owners. *whistles innocently*


Now someone is making a little sense. From the looks of things most expansion franchises suffer in the AF2 the first year. The team in Corpus is struggling with a pretty good coach. So are the teams in Laredo, Texas and Lubbock. It seems rare that an expansion team will win right away. Granted it does happen sometimes (ie. Spokane) but it is not the norm. As far as this year goes with the Roughnecks...I am not worried yet. They only have 3 returning players from past years teams. They are going to still be better than most of the league as the season goes on. They just lost by 6 points in their last game against a team that played for the championship last season. A team that had many more returners than Odessa.

[Permianman]

I suspct we could even beat the best the IFL has to offer <eyeroll>.

I don't think that you have any true way to prove that!

[Permianman]

I
Is this year the Roughneck coaches' fault too?

Let me just say that I blame the Roughnecks coaches' for everything they have done. Like make the playoffs three years straight. Going undefeated in the regular season of 2005. Establish the longest winning streak over a three year period. Win the championship game last year 97-56. Being undefeated at home for three years. etc, etc, etc. I think the Roughnecks are going to be OK as well in 2007.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

I agree. Because the IFL is THAT inferior. Even the Roughnecks coaching staff can do well here.

Here's another issue. At last count, 6 former Vipers were on the ROughnecks. BUT, the ALL acted like thugs while here. Every single one. Our present coach recruits character and we now have humble winners who intereract well w/ the fans. Very little showboating, unlike the 1st half of last year. I like that !!.

[Permianman]

I agree. Because the IFL is THAT inferior. Even the Roughnecks coaching staff can do well here.

Here's another issue. At last count, 6 former Vipers were on the ROughnecks. BUT, the ALL acted like thugs while here. Every single one. Our present coach recruits character and we now have humble winners who intereract well w/ the fans. Very little showboating, unlike the 1st half of last year. I like that !!.

Well, I do my research too. I have recently read an article about one of your players being kicked out of a game for fighting. I think it was your back-up QB. Can you explain that?

[Permianman]

[QUOTE=Tennessee Valley Vipers;47547][B]I agree. Because the IFL is THAT inferior. Even the Roughnecks coaching staff can do well here.

Can you explain to me why Michael Trigg and Mark Stoute (Corpus Sharks, Laredo Lobos) are struggling so badly in the AF2? From reading up on them they both seem to have great backgrounds in the arena football league. Could it be that they are guiding expansion teams?

[Permianman]

[QUOTE=Tennessee Valley Vipers;47547][B]I agree. Because the IFL is THAT inferior. Even the Roughnecks coaching staff can do well here.

Nothing wrong with being king t*rd on S*it Island is there? LOL! Just joking. The IFL is far from inferior to the AF2.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

I know of no such, and we didnt have a backup QB til last week.

All the texas AF2 teams are suk'n. I've not be interested enough as to research why. Prob because they are playing IFL caliber ball. Rio Grande is OK, but they're still living off Kevin Guy's work.

[phydeaux72]

I know of no such, and we didnt have a backup QB til last week.

All the texas AF2 teams are suk'n. I've not be interested enough as to research why. Prob because they are playing IFL caliber ball. Rio Grande is OK, but they're still living off Kevin Guy's work.

If it's because they're playing IFL caliber ball, then it has to do with the difference in the rules and not the level of play. You're arguement that the IFL is at a lower level just doesn't hold any water. You simply cannot prove that without actually matching them up in an actual game. Besides, the IFL pays their players quite a bit better than the af2 and gives them much better exposure to the AFL during the season. Half of the players on my team have stated that the reason they chose to play in the IFL over the af2 was because, besides making more money, it gives them an opportunity to move up during the season, which you simply cannot do in the af2.

But your argument that the IFL is inferior to the af2 is nothing more than an opinion. And until you can prove it, you're just making a fool of yourself by going on about it.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Well, Fido, it would certainly explain why the Roughnecks coaching staff can succeed there but not here.

[RUFFNECKER]

OK folks, I guess our buddy is back to tell us how his team is soooo much better than ours. That's fine TVV your do your opinions, but lets get a few things straight before you go and make another mistake. The only coach from the TVV staff still here in our lovely town is Coach Williams, Coach Thompson and Coach Greg Patterson, the other coach P have never coached anywhere but Odessa. The guy you so adimately hate for some reason Coach Gary Patterson now calls Tupelo Mississippi home as the Defensive Coordinator for the Mississippi Mudcats, and from what I see he and Coach Brents, (Another ex roughneck coach) lead the league in both offense and defense as well as a record of 10-2. Not that bad a coaching job if you ask me, but maybe anyone can do it right!. Oh and by the way Coach Keaton (another Rougneck ex) of the Lakeland Thunderbolts is in second place right behind the boys in Tupelo. So you can whine and moan all you want about how those guys came down to your little neck of the woods and ruined football, but their records speak for themselves. And I got a little news for you. While there are some pretty good teams in the duece, it's no surprise why the same 5-6 teams win the championship every year. Louisville, Memphis(who no longer exists), Florida, Bakersfield, New England, and maybe one or two more, are pretty solid teams year in and year out, the rest are just revenue for the league. Hell, it was one year for Pete's sake, actually is wasn't even half a year of a first year franchise. I've known a whole lot of coaches have a bad year here and there. Maybe their number came up in the land of Vipers. No ill feelings, just don't like for good people to get bashed for something they had no control over. Best of luck to your Vipers the rest of the way.

[phydeaux72]

Well, Fido, it would certainly explain why the Roughnecks coaching staff can succeed there but not here.

No, that doesn't explain anything at all. Different team, different franchise, different owners, different league, with different rules and different circumstances altogether.

TVV, explain this one to me. Why is it that a coach in the NFL can win a Superbowl coaching one team and then have a losing season coaching another team? Same league; two different teams. Both teams are at the same level of play obviously. But the coach has opposite result with two different teams.

Here again, your "claim" that the af2 is superior to the IFL means nothing until it can be proven with an actual match-up.

[Permianman]

[QUOTE=Tennessee Valley Vipers;47560][B]I know of no such, and we didnt have a backup QB til last week.

All the texas AF2 teams are suk'n. I've not be interested enough as to research why. Prob because they are playing IFL caliber ball.

That truly is a weak answer. So I will ask again...Can you explain to me why Michael Trigg and Mark Stoute (Corpus Sharks, Laredo Lobos) are struggling(both 0-5) so badly in the AF2? From reading up on them (Trigg has won an AFL title and Stoute was Assistant Head Coach for Green Bay, which played for the Af2 title last year) they both seem to have great backgrounds in the arena football league. Could it be that they are guiding expansion teams? I am trying to give an example that no matter how good a coach is he is likely to struggle in year number one in af2.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

one totally discredits himself when comparing the Intense Bowl to the Super Bowl.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

because they are in Texas.

[Permianman]

because they are in Texas.

One totally discredits himself with that type of silly answer to a serious question.

[phydeaux72]

one totally discredits himself when comparing the Intense Bowl to the Super Bowl.

TVV, is that the best response you could come up with? No one was comparing the Intense Bowl to the Super Bowl. You are the one who has obviously been discredited. Just give up while you still have an ounce of dignity left. You are a shining example of the phrase "bitterness breeds contempt". You just can't let go of the past, can you?

Sad ... truly sad. :rolleyes:

[sportsguy]

I'm still trying to come up with the six current Roughnecks that were in Tennessee Valley last year...:confused:

I can think of two, and one of them, TVV said himself was their best WR.

something doesn't match...

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

a silly question begets a silly answer. Mike Daily has done nothing since he won the one championship except lose jobs. I'm unfamiliar w/ the other coach. But, arena football's history is full of coaches who succeeded in their first year start up teams. To hear you guys talk, Chris Wms is no less capable. Unfortuantely, twas not to be. And our franchise was almost buried in the process. Thank you self proclaimed "master of rebuilding". Glad you're capable of winning SOMEWHERE, despite your bonehead on field management, much less inferior recruiting of players and coaches each. Great success in a league that basically was once part of the Niffle.

And, Fido, you yourself are the most bitter here. Except maybe for Permianman w/ his inexcusable playing of the race card. What a cop out.

[sportsguy]

First off, the IFL was a league on it's own BEFORE it was asked to join the NIFL, and at least they were smart enough to see the writing on the wall and get back out...so don't compare the IFL to that POS league. The IFL has never had a team fold mid-season, nor cancelled a game to due sheer ineptitude.

Secondly, still waiting for all those members of the current Roughnecks teams that played for Tenn Valley. I mean, I know I'm asking you for facts and all, so take your time.

I'll start you out...Torrey Day and Ahmad Childress, and AC has been out the last couple weeks with back injury...hopefully he's healthy soon.

You can go from there.

[phydeaux72]

And, Fido, you yourself are the most bitter here.

Another cop-out response from TVV. You reall are incapable of participating in an objective debate, aren't you? I mean, what could I possibly have to be bitter about when it comes to you or your lousy team? You see, my team won the championship last seaon in style.

Ok, I'll now sit back and wait for another one of your lame, scapegoat responses. That seems to be all that you can come up with anyway.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Sportguy, i believe I had said "at last count". Didnt say I'd bothered to check recently. And, you're welcomed to that man child Ahmad Childress. Seems the IFL teams didnt exactly run over the Niffle teams.

As far as Fido goes, here's something objective...2 wins in 10 tries. That eptness will get you a championship in the Intense league.

[phydeaux72]

As far as Fido goes, here's something objective...2 wins in 10 tries. That eptness will get you a championship in the Intense league.

Still never answered the question. Doesn't matter though. It's what we've come to expect from you. Your bitterness has clouded you ability to take part in a reasonable, objective debate. I'll not waste my time on you anymore. You're a crybaby.

http://www.chicagorooter.com/BABY_CRYING.gif

[sportsguy]

Hey, if you count that record as "great", more power to you...hope the rest of the fans are as optimistic as you.

[preeths]

Enough, if you want to continue this pointless argument, take it to PMs or emails. This is pointless.

[sportsguy]

As are most of the posts in threads that involve TVV talking about the Roughnecks...just leave us alone, and enjoy your .500 af2 team.