Koyotes 68 Texas Thunder 0

[LW27]

Ho hum...

[Football Chick]

At least get the score right...........68-0.

Nice article about the win in the Cap Journal this morning:

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/041804/koy_shutout.shtml

[Bill]

And this is the Thunder whose website says they are playing an APFL schedule for 2004.. And what in 2005?

I personally haven't seen any APFL games or the Koyotes..
And even if I had I don't have what I would call a keen eye for what makes this player just a bit better than another... (Hey Chiefs fans.. Kind of like Jack Steadman right? lol)

But what is it? Are the Koyotes that good or are the other teams that bad?
Are they AF2 or NIFL caliber?

Oh well... On to important matters..

Football Chick.. Can you steer me towards anyone who can get me game pics of the Koyotes... I am going to be trying to get the details on the uniforms on the Iowa Blackhawks, Colorado Stars, and the Wisconsin Locomotives when they come to Topeka.. (painting of Electric Football Men) I know the Koyotes post some game pics on their site... Just wanted to have an option if they don't or I can't get a detail on the uni I am looking for.

[LW27]

At least get the score right...........68-0.

There, I've corrected the thread's title. Happy now? It doesn't really much matter because it the same ol' story only this season...rec-league level competetion. The only thing that different so far this season is the Koyotes first two opponents at least have matching uniforms. What makes last night's 68-0 blowout even more of a farce is this year's Koyotes team is not even half as talented as last year's.

Also, by seeing last night's attendance (by my account, 500 at best) it looks like many of the casual fans are starting to realize that the APFL is nothing more then a false front the Koyotes are using to try and legitimize their product.

I've given Mr. Adams my last $10 bill...

[Football Chick]

No need to get upset because I corrected the score. I'm not sure which game you were at...the Minutemen had red uniforms with white helmets and the Thunder had Blue uniforms with black helmets so there goes your theory about matching uniforms.

As for the talent of last year, the 34 players who have made the team are just as talented as last year and will take this team far. I give props to the coaching staff who have done a great job getting the team ready to play.

I was a little shocked at how the Thunder played especially because their coach has been in indoor football (part of the Knights/Kings coaching staff when they were in Topeka). Maybe our team is that dominant....Time is the only thing that can tell us that.

I'm guessing there were close to 1200 last night.

Guess we won't see you posting on here about the Koyotes anymore since you believe them to be nothing more than a false front. Don't and won't need ya anyways. Good luck!

[indoor fan]

Must be a San Antonio Arena thing. Back in 1992 the San Antonio Froce of the Arena Football League lost 50-0 to Orlando.


The word is the Texas team played without 5 of its starters, including their QB and 2 huge OL/DL's. Not sure why they did not play (think it had to do with disciplinary reasons the night before) but it had to make a difference.

[inside indoor]

When a team (owned by the league owner) plays only against opponents they are confident they will beat, how is that NOT a "false front"? If the Koyotes aren't willing to raise the bar and play against real opponents, fans will walk away. No one wants to see a game with a final score of 68 - 0. What's the excitement in that?

The Texas Thunder are a fraud - nothing but a virtual team (websites prove nothing) with no home and no permanent roster.

The Minutemen have only the integrity of their past record of fly-by-the-seat-of-their-pants management w/ a hot headed owner and disgruntled players. Great sideline etiquette.

There is a quality team in Kansas City with a proven track record on the field and solid management that the Koyotes won't, for some reason, bring into the fold. Could this be that the Koyotes aren't up for a real challenge on the field?????? Ralph knows how to bring his fans a game worth $10 and his players a chance to prove their worthiness. Why doesn't he??

[FAN]

Inside Indoor,
Please inform me of this team in Kansas City that you speak of. I know you are not speaking about the Jazz. Yes they have a proven track record, with a solid management group, but they are in the same boat financially as the Minutemen are. And as far as being more competitive than the Minutemen, I thought the Koyotes tore apart the Jazz in a scrimmage just as bad as they beat the Minutemen, but at least the Minutemen were able to put up some points. I know of no other organizations in KC that would have a proven track record like the Jazz, but please don't say they would be competitive with the Koyotes when they have already proved they can't be. Here's an Idea. Koyotes should move to the NIFL and let the Jazz play the Minutemen every weekend in Sportscity.
Out!

[CoachE]

Harsh Words for "he who hides behind the name Fan". What do you know of the JAZZ financial situation ? What do you know about the JAZZ team ? Why are the Koyotes calling JAZZ players who they seem to need ? Why were you calling players to dress for the Thunder. Some were offered more money than the Koyote players were making. As for torn apart... 13-7 at half (a drubbing) 32-14 final (a good old-fashioned beat down). 2 Refs who were casually interested... IF WE ARE NOBODY - THEN YOU HAVE BEATEN NOBODY In the future.. Don't Think... you might injure yourself ! As for the competitive balance (yes I remember) The JAZZ held the MM to 6 points. They also rushed for -69 yards and had 2 completions for 60 yards. Do the math and then sell your Koyote dominance to all 10 people who actually buy what your selling. In the meantime- SCHEDULE THE GAME.... at your house, Sports City, the parking lot. Then you can prove your Dominance

[LW27]

When a team (owned by the league owner) plays only against opponents they are confident they will beat, how is that NOT a "false front"? If the Koyotes aren't willing to raise the bar and play against real opponents, fans will walk away. No one wants to see a game with a final score of 68 - 0. What's the excitement in that?

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Just this morning Mr. Adams was on local talk radio talking about the Koyotes and for the second consecutive week he was asked a simple question about what the fans should expect from the next opponent and his reply was, "Well Jim, I really don't know." WHAT!? You don't know anything about your next opponent? It's because they are rec-league teams with no legitimate ownerships, coaches or rosters.

The APFL is nothing more than the Globetrotters vs. Washngton Generals!

[Bill]

Harsh Words for "he who hides behind the name Fan". What do you know of the JAZZ financial situation ? What do you know about the JAZZ team ? Why are the Koyotes calling JAZZ players who they seem to need ? Why were you calling players to dress for the Thunder. Some were offered more money than the Koyote players were making. As for torn apart... 13-7 at half (a drubbing) 32-14 final (a good old-fashioned beat down). 2 Refs who were casually interested... IF WE ARE NOBODY - THEN YOU HAVE BEATEN NOBODY In the future.. Don't Think... you might injure yourself ! As for the competitive balance (yes I remember) The JAZZ held the MM to 6 points. They also rushed for -69 yards and had 2 completions for 60 yards. Do the math and then sell your Koyote dominance to all 10 people who actually buy what your selling. In the meantime- SCHEDULE THE GAME.... at your house, Sports City, the parking lot. Then you can prove your Dominance


I dont recall "fan" calling any team.. "nobody"
I would think that Mr. Adams would have probably been in contact with the Jazz organization about playing in the APFL.. I don't know.. Maybe you should "think" and get your answers from fan 1st... And then start making derogatory comments later...

The Jazz are just another semi-pro team that got throttled by the old Topeka Knights of the South Central Football League..

[FAN]

Thank you Bill. I don't make harsh comments hiding behind a screen name. What I do is post my opinions, as do a majority of the others on this board and every other message board, logged in under a screen name. We can talk further about the Jazz/Koyote scrimmage and the competitive contest that it was, but I'm sure you would like to argue that all day. Please don't include that the Koyotes used it as a final roster cut down, it was running clock throughout (only 10 min first quarter), and the fact that the Jazz didn't have their full roster. Also, please don't discuss holding the Minutemen to only 6 points, the Jazz only managed 13. As a resident of KC I know lots about the area teams. If a team were able to make a successful jump into the APFL to assist stabilize the league it would probably be the Jazz. Agreed. But as Bill stated, either the Jazz didn't contact the league office in time to be able to prove they would be able to do this, or the application was denied for some reason. My best GUESS would be that the Jazz organization didn't make a firm commitment to making an indoor team in enough time prior to the season. There is nothing wrong, and most teams should do this, with taking an entire season to get everything straight before you make the jump in order to prevent debacles such as St. Joe and Chillicothe. As a Coach I think you would also understand scheduling logistics. If the Koyotes already have a schedule in place, with push overs or not, they probably won't go scheduling a side game against a team who says the Koyotes are afraid of a challenge. That would be how you schedule games in the NAFL. The financial piece the Jazz would present to the legue wouldn't be anything different than what the Minutemen are bringing. Players supplying their own equipment and paying their own way, unless you are planning on funding this entire endeavor Coach. As far as the Koyotes tracking down Jazz players and offering them more compensation than others, no. There are only 2 current Jazz players on the Koyote roster and they are making the same as everyone else. All other Jazz players have been released.

[CoachE]

As a coach, my responsibility is to coach. The JAZZ have an administration who handle the business side including but not limited to the scheduling of games. Many attempts were made to gain entry into the APFL
prior to the release of the league schedule. Not only were the JAZZ not accepted- NO RESPONSE WAS GIVEN AT ALL !
As for our ability to meet ANY financial criteria... I DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND THIS ENDEAVOR MYSELF.... DO YOU ?
And as for compensation being offered to my players- READ MY STATEMENT... MY PLAYERS WERE BEING OFFERED TWICE WHAT THE KOYOTE PLAYERS WERE MAKING TO DRESS FOR THE THUNDER !
They were being offered that compensation by KOYOTE MANAGEMENT....

There is no "debacle" in our future- the boys just want to play ball. Our presence in the APFL will only raise the level of play. We are more than willing to prove it... We just aren't being given the chance !

[inside indoor]

Where are the Topeka Knights now?

The Jazz have been around for 13 years.

Speaking of Koyotes and the NIFL, sure they could move up - but who's to say the NIFL would even take the Koyotes. They certainly aren't banging on the beloved Topeka team's door begging them to compete at that level. Gotta wonder why. Or maybe not.

Sometime's its easier to keep the bar low, competition easy, and players cocky. The problem with that, from a fan's perspective, booooorrrinnng.

[Herk]

kind of unrelated but both the iowa website and texas website count the Missouri-Texas tie game as an official APFL game. Was that game an official APFL game or was it an exebithion game like I thought it was.

[LW27]

MY PLAYERS WERE BEING OFFERED TWICE WHAT THE KOYOTE PLAYERS WERE MAKING TO DRESS FOR THE THUNDER!
They were being offered that compensation by KOYOTE MANAGEMENT....

WHAT!? I hope the local media doesn't find out that the Koyotes are having to supply these farce APFL teams with players in order to play. This is nothing more than "staged" football.

WHAT A CHARADE! WHAT A SCAM! SHAME ON YOU MR. ADAMS!

[Football Chick]

Yall are blowing smoke right now!!! :roll:

[Bill]

I emailed the Koyotes and Mr. Adams precisely about the NIFL.
Bottom line without actual quotes was that due to business practices of the NIFL.. Mr. Adams wouldn't voluntarily do business with those people. And with this years debacles who could blame any owner from wanting to disassociate themselves from the NIFL...

[flynnspecial on 2]

Bill,
if the NIFL is not an option for Kansas, what about the IFL

[Bill]

Bill,
if the NIFL is not an option for Kansas, what about the IFL

You're asking the wrong guy.. :D

I had emailed the Koyotes because in my own mind... I couldn't understand why Mr. Adams would go to all this trouble when it would be so much easier to join the NIFL.. And of course you saw the jist of the response I got..

The IFL?.. I don't know..

I think those who pay attention to this APFL debate would label me correctly as one of it's supporters... I want nothing more than to see it flourish.. But so far it's been an endless stream of blowouts for the Koyotes.. If I were the Koyotes.. I would seriously take a look at the IFL and determine if it was a viable option for 2005... The other question of course is would the IFL want them? While an Amarillo to Topeka road trip wouldn't be a big deal... Would Corpus Christi and El Paso want to leave the vast wasteland of Texas to God's Country in Kansas.. :lol:

Again.. I don't know.. I am not on the inside.. I just had a question and was suprised when I actually got such a candid response from the Koyotes...

But... If APFL 2004 continues to mirror APFL 2003... Then somethings gotta change..