Frost Heaves hold onto #1 Spot

[The Magician]

Frost Heaves hold onto number one spot
03/04/07 - American Basketball Association (ABA)

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3433336

Indianapolis, IN. The American Basketball Association (ABA) today released its Power Rankings through Saturday, March 3rd - and the Vermont Frost Heaves held a .30 advantage over the powerful Arkansas Aeros for the #1 position. According to Brad Hester, ABA VP of Team Operations, "These two teams are extremely close using the variety of measuring tools we have available and includes, among other things, the won-lost record, difficulty of schedule, number of games played. We are confident in our rankings - but only the playoffs will really show if we're correct."

"New to the rankings this week are the Atlanta Vision who made it for the first time. Next week's rankings will determine the Top 24 teams for the playoffs - and Gallup, Orlando, King County, Brooklyn and Sacramento all have a shot to make it. They need a good week." The rankings:

1. Vermont Frost Heaves
2. Arkansas Aeros
3. Jacksonville Jam
4. Texas Tycoons
5. Quad City Riverhawks
6. Rochester RazorSharks
7. Bellingham Slam
8. Minnesota Ripknees
9. Beijing Aoshen
10. Wilmington Sea Dawgs
11. Mississippi Miracles
12. Detroit Panthers
13. Bufflalo Silverbacks
14. Strong Island Sound
15. San Diego Wildcats
16. Quebec City Kebekwa
17. Peoria Kings
18. Hollywood Fame
19. Sauk Valley Rollers
20. Maryland Nighthawks
21. Palm Beach Imperials
22. Maywood Buzz
23. Cape Cod Frenzy
24. Atlanta Vision

For more information, visit www.abalive.com.

[The Magician]

ABA Confident in their rankings :confused:

I think it's pretty funny that the Palm Beach Imperials are still in the Top 24?

The Imperiali Organization must be in tight with Joe Newman & Co.

Palm Beach has not won a game since 02/03/07 ... and they have gone from not being in the Power Rankings to #24 -> #22 -> to #21 ... all by losing games ... Favoritism anybody???

Also ... If you have the chance ... read the entire thread below about Palm Beach.

Now THIS is a typical ABA team release
http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=5010

I think this is just another fine example of how the ABA executive leadership is barnone, the worst in professional basketball ... :mad:

[The Magician]

that the Jax Jam should be #2 in the Power Rankings based on games played and games won ...

Arkansas has played only 6 games since 01/25/07 (6 wins) Record: 24-2, 26 games played

Jacksonville has played 12 games since 01/26/07 (10 wins and 2 losses) Record: 27-8, 35 games played

We all know that Arkansas has a great team ... But I think the Jam's record speaks for itself ...

And I guarantee you ... Arkansas will not even come close to completing as many games as the Jam ... Say ... All 36 scheduled games! :mrgreen:

[Sam Hill]

"These two teams are extremely close using the variety of measuring tools we have available..."

Including that device that measures the dilation of the opening in one's behind, which is from where these things get pulled.

You just make it up. Like most things in this league.

[waynemorrell13]

How did Texas slip to number 4 when they won their last game by 41 and they havent lost since 2007 started. Something just aint right! Thats funny.

[rams80]

How did Texas slip to number 4 when they won their last game by 41 and they havent lost since 2007 started. Something just aint right! Thats funny.

Has Texas officially taken a side in the Newman-Doyle debate?

[The Magician]

How did Texas slip to number 4 when they won their last game by 41 and they havent lost since 2007 started. Something just aint right! Thats funny.

A 21-5 (22-5?) record is pretty impressive ...

Nov. 10, 2006 L Monterrey Poison 102 at Texas Tycoons 100 Final
Nov. 11, 2006 W Houston Takers 135 at Texas Tycoons 144 Final
Nov. 12, 2006 W Texas Tycoons 126 at Waco Wranglers 121 Final
Nov. 16, 2006 W Arkansas Aeros 122 at Texas Tycoons 142 Final
Nov. 17, 2006 W Arkansas Rivercatz 124 at Texas Tycoons 127 Final
Nov. 18, 2006 W Monterrey Poison 120 at Texas Tycoons 147 Final
Nov. 19, 2006 W Waco Wranglers 133 at Texas Tycoons 140 Final
Nov. 24, 2006 W Texas Tycoons 138 at Monterrey Poison 131 (OT) Final
Nov. 26, 2006 W Texas Tycoons 116 at Monterrey Poison 103 Final
Nov. 29, 2006 L Texas Tycoons 163 at Houston Takers 166 (OT) Final
Dec. 1, 2006 L Texas Tycoons 107 at Arkansas Rivercatz 116 Final
Dec. 2, 2006 W Monterrey Poison 111 at Texas Tycoons 122 Final
Dec. 9, 2006 L Waco Wranglers 137 at Texas Tycoons 131 Final
Dec. 10, 2006 W Arkansas Aeros 116 at Texas Tycoons 125 Final
Dec. 16, 2006 W Texas Tycoons 134 at Houston Takers 101 Final
Dec. 23, 2006 W Waco Wranglers 88 at Texas Tycoons 105 Final
Dec. 29, 2006 W Waco Wranglers 92 at Texas Tycoons 140 Final
Jan. 6, 2007 W Monterrey Poison 113 at Texas Tycoons 115 Final
Jan. 11, 2007 W Texas Tycoons 127 at Mississippi Miracles 123 Final
Jan. 13, 2007 L Texas Tycoons 129 at Arkansas Rivercatz 147 Final
Jan. 19, 2007 W Texas Tycoons 135 at Arkansas Rivercatz 100 Final
Feb. 2, 2007 W Texas Tycoons 147 at Waco Wranglers 130 Final
Feb. 8, 2007 W Houston Takers 115 at Texas Tycoons 162 Final
Feb. 11, 2007 W Monterrey Poison 109 at Texas Tycoons 118 Final
Feb. 23, 2007 W Waco Wranglers 121 at Texas Tycoons 142 Final
Feb. 25, 2007 W Texas Tycoons 152 at Houston Takers 111 Final
Fri., March 2 Texas Tycoons at Houston Takers 8:05 p.m ?

But ... the Tycoons have only played 5 or 6 games in the last six or so weeks???

And wins against Houston (4-17), Waco (7-17 ?) and Monterrey (12-12) are not exactly the type of competition that would bolster the Tycoons ranking ...

Sidenote: It would help if the Texas Tycoons had a website to speak of ... http://www.beseenhoop.com/ just doesn't do it ... although the photo of the Dance team is Golden!

[a1sports]

Hester's power rankings formula is based on what he learned at Lowes, his previous job, large nails go into the large bin, small nails go into the small bin, scratch your behind three times and start again.

Translation: all meaningless

ABA should use OSC's power rankings.

P.S. Maybe Vermont could play Montreal 7 more times and they will get the super secret Hester power ranking of No. 1 Double Gold. What a joke.

[Alumni96]

I am a Heave fan and even I'll concede that these rankings are a complete pile of crap. We should have dropped to at least second after losing to Buffalo. Thats how rankings are supposed to work. Arkansas has gotten what it deserves given the crap they pulled by combining their A team an B team rosters to boost themselves for the playoffs. Then combine that with not playing an away game or many games at all.

A1sports....at least come out and say your a Rochester fan or associated with the team. You can't even make a post without a shot at Vermont. You'll get a shot at us Tuesday.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Thing is - there IS no formula.

On the old Yahoo board - of which Joe was a member (ahh, the warm and fuzzy memories just flood back...) - a poster asked Joe what the criteria was that determined the ABA rankings:

As you know college football has a rating system and formula for its ranking system. What is the American Basketball Associations rating system and formula for the weekly rankings?
Joe's smartass answer:

Thanks for the email. How about sending me a copy of the college football rating system and let me see if it matches the one we use. You do have a copy, right? Thanks. Much appreciated.

Joe Newman
ABA CEO

So, in the interests of helping out where I can, I posted/sent him the link to the BCS formula - to meet his 'you show me yours, and I'll show you mine' challenge.

Still waiting for that answer...

[zeke41]

Man, the Aces just beat Palm Beach this weekend, and they went up in the rankings, and we didn't even make it? We got close to the same record, only we actually BEAT Jacksonville and Miami once, and almost beat Jax like 2 other times (lost by 3). That's crazy.

[a1sports]

Its not that I am a Rochester fan, not even close, its that I am a Basketball fan. This little charade that Unca Joe and Alex are playing doesnt do minor league basketball any justice. No way should Vermont be in the top three in power rankings, but Joe has a plan to have his ABA in SI when Vermont wins it all and Alex is playing along with his new pappy Joe.

Lets have Vermont play Jacksonville, Detroit, Buffalo, Rochester, Arkansas a few times and see how they would fare.

[The Magician]

Man, the Aces just beat Palm Beach this weekend, and they went up in the rankings, and we didn't even make it? We got close to the same record, only we actually BEAT Jacksonville and Miami once, and almost beat Jax like 2 other times (lost by 3). That's crazy.


Palm Beach should be out ... and Orlando should be considered for a spot!

[Dragon]

So, lets say Rochester beats Vermont on Tuesday... Who should be #1 going into the playoffs? Arkansas, Jacksonville, Texas, Quad City, or Rochester. They would all have a solid argument for the top seed, so what magic formula should Hester use even if he would listen to any of us?

[Sam Hill]

Its not that I am a Rochester fan, not even close, its that I am a Basketball fan. This little charade that Unca Joe and Alex are playing doesnt do minor league basketball any justice. No way should Vermont be in the top three in power rankings, but Joe has a plan to have his ABA in SI when Vermont wins it all and Alex is playing along with his new pappy Joe.

If they do win it all, I would imagine it would mean they'd actually have to beat somebody outside of the stiffs they've beaten to this point. I mean, they're 7-0 against Cape Cod, and that represents almost a third of the games they've played against "ranked" teams.

They're 13-0 against Montreal and Cape Cod (who are 16-38 combined, supposedly).

I have no doubt Vermont's a good ballclub. But they haven't really played too many people yet. Let's see what happens.

Who's ranked where now really doesn't mean anything, so don't get your knickers in a twist. There's a playoff. It'll all come out in the wash.

So, in the interests of helping out where I can, I posted/sent him the link to the BCS formula - to meet his 'you show me yours, and I'll show you mine' challenge.

Still waiting for that answer...

And that is because....well, you know why. Joe says a lot of things without a lot of actual knowledge to back it up. When you call him on it, you either get insulted, get a smart-aleck answer, or get silence.

[The Magician]

So, lets say Rochester beats Vermont on Tuesday... Who should be #1 going into the playoffs? Arkansas, Jacksonville, Texas, Quad City, or Rochester. They would all have a solid argument for the top seed, so what magic formula should Hester use even if he would listen to any of us?

But I tell you one thing ... If this is accurate, according to the the Arkansas Aeros schedule page on their website ... http://www.arkansasaeros.com/schedule.htm

They have scammed the league by adding the Knoxville Noise to their schedule for an additional two games on Fri March 9th & Sun March 11th.

Knoxville has lost their last 6 games by a margin of 55.17 points per game :eek:

They have lost their games by 44, 38, 67, 76, 58 and 48 points.

That's not competition ... That's the ABA executives making another bad choice in management of the league.

And can the Aeros play anybody else but Waco ... a 1-19 team by OSC reporting. I'm not sure how the ABA credited Waco with 7 wins???

I'm not quite sure Texas is scheduled to play any more games???

Sooooo ... I'd say, If Vermont loses ... The #1 Ranking is up for grabs.

And if Jacksonville wins on Thursday ... They have a legit shot for #1. Plus, they will be the first team to have played all 36 games!

[Dragon]

And if Jacksonville wins on Thursday ... They have a legit shot for #1. Plus, they will be the first team to have played all 36 games!

In this league a lot of credit should be given to any team that gets to 36 games. Looking at the standings I would say only Vermont, Jacksonville, and Peoria will be the only teams that make it.

[The Magician]

In this league a lot of credit should be given to any team that gets to 36 games.

agree with you Dragon!

IMO, If one team out of the entire ABA can manage to play all 36 games ... then every team should have been able to play 36 games.

And yes ... All those teams WHO DIDN'T play all 36 are going to scream ... BUT THIS HAPPENED and THAT HAPPENED.

I know ... I've been there myself (guilty).

But the truth of it all is ... The ABA Regular Season was scheduled for 36 games for every team. And at the end of the season ... If every single game was not played ... then the season was INCOMPLETE!

I'm afraid we can say ... That the 2006-2007 ABA Regular Season will conclude as another failure at the ABA management and operational levels.

"Way to Go Joe!" :rolleyes:

[teqkng]

I have not posted in a little while but I think I have dug up the statistical ranking system by working my spread sheets and merging the Massey ratings with the earlier "Stupid simple system" the aba used (which is NOT a factor in Massey.) I think they are using the Massey rankings and merging the win loss percentage on a month by month basis and only deleting the statistical anomolies created by the dissappearing teams at the end of the month they exited. It seems to work and it is actually valid from a statistical viewpoint.

Three points (Two points and a foul as the refs at the Jam game sunday saw it)

[carterpatterson]

Atlanta will play 30 games, including all of its home games. Unfortunately, being in the league with Tennessee and Knoxville cancelling most of their home games cost us big time. Congrats to Jax and all the teams that play 36. Hopefully with B'ham and Rome next year, I think the South could be the first division where all teams play 36.

[teqkng]

If there is any organization within the league, standings for post season should reflect a standings bonus for teams playing all scheduled DATES, and another for teams playing all 36 games and down the line, that would give the teams playing hard and consistant a chance in the playoffs even if they were caught unawares by the folding of opponent teams. Forfiet wins should only count as a tie for ranking status. Thinking about it that may be the variable I am missing in my calculations on the "Power rankings" that would be a Positive step for the ABA... Does anyone have the records on what teams were awarded Forfiet victories and in what number and date?

[The Magician]

Does anyone have the records on what teams were awarded Forfiet victories and in what number and date?

some teams out there who have forfeit wins incorporated into their records ... but trying to validate that data is really really tough.

For the most part ... the ABA league site and a large# of ABA team sites are not 100% current and up-to-date.

And then you have some teams ... Who don't have a site up at all.

We have the ABA league office to thank for much of this! :mad: No organization and no compliance!

[The Sweeper]

I actually thought that the Heaves would have fallen in the rankings after the loss to Buffalo. We have beaten Buffalo twice in Burlington (I know they were close and there was a questionable goaltending call in the last meeting at the Memorial). We also beat Rochester in overtime, in Burlington as well. We beat Bellingham twice in three days, in Barre, and then they went to Montreal and lost to the Royal in overtime. Bellingham only slipped 3 places after the two losses to us, then started climbing back up the next week (don't know how the Montreal loss affected the ranking). Only one team has beaten us twice, and that's Quebec City. I am hoping that we pull out the win tomorrow night in Rochester, if not we will be 1-2 against them. Stranger things have happened in the ABA.

[Alumni96]

My guess is attendance and financial stability are 2 key ingredients to this rating. No sense rating a team in the top 24 if they aren't likely to travel. I'm sure at some level a teams record comes into play but that its the tie breaker rather than a basis for the ranking.

[heavesrock]

The Heaves have 11 combined wins against Rochester, Buffalo, Quebec, Strong Island, and Maryland. Those are all good teams. Half of anyones games are going to be against bad teams. Look at anyones schedule and they will probably have a lot of bad teams. Arkansas has been played Waco, Monterrey, and St. Louis all year. none of those are good teams. Arkansas has had 7 games scheduled against Arkansas and Texas this year. Not sure how many they have won. Besides that nothing but a lot of Knoxville, Mississippi, Houston, and Waco. That's a weaker schedule than VT's. So they should be ranked higher of course?

[zeke41]

it's the other way around for the Orlando team. More than half of their losses came from really GOOD teams...Jax and Miami. That's all I'm saying...we should be considered for the playoffs just as much as Palm Beach and Atlanta, especially since we just beat Palm Beach this past weekend. We beat South Alabama, Miami, Jax and lost only by 3 to Jax to other times), Palm Beach, and had the game against Wilmington until the late fourth quarter (their full court press killed us).

Plus, with guys like Alex Hill and Johnny McClenton, who can give you 30-40 points on any given night and make it look easy, we are a lot stronger than our record suggests!

[waynemorrell13]

I don't understand whats going on, but if you lose you should drop of no one else loses. It's simple. Arkansas hasnt lost since december and texas hasnt lost since december. They should be ahead of Vermont no matter who they played. Im sorry but thats only right.

[zeke41]

with Wayne...

Let's hope that this year is the last time the ABA runs things by the seat of their pants, using their own political strategies to figure out who goes to the playoffs. People...FANS want structure. There's nothing like watching the Playoff picture in the NBA unfold. You know what teams need to do to get to the playoffs, and that's the way it is. It's fuels the excitement as the season winds down.

[The Magician]

drop the Palm Beach Imperials and Maywood Buzz from the Top 24 ...

And ... Insert the Orlando Aces :mrgreen: and Brooklyn Comets.

Then go ahead and schedule the Orlando Aces @ The Atlanta Vision in the
1st Round of the Playoffs ...

Let Mississippi and Wilmington square off against each other in the 1st Round ...

Let's have fun with it!

[zeke41]

That sounds good to me, Magician. that way we can get into the second round at least. From what people have told me, we can beat the Vision (not what I'm saying...because I haven't seen them in action - just what people have told me)!:p

[The Magician]

That sounds good to me, Magician. that way we can get into the second round ...

But be prepared to drink something a little stronger than RED BULL if you end up playing Mississippi in the Second Round. :p

Although ... I do see a possible Jacksonville Jam vs. Mississippi Miracles game in Round 2 if Miss wins their 1st Round playoff game?

[teqkng]

Oh Oh Magician... I guess you and I will need to sit next to each other in the stands at UNF... Maybe Cancel each other out...