Rochester Refuses to Travel to Away Games , they are now being kicked out of the ABA

[ABA06er]

The Comets are announcing that this Saturday's Home Game versus the Rochester Razorsharks has been cancelled. In addition, the March 9th Home game versus Rochester has also been cancelled. We apologize for this inconvenience but the situation is beyond our control. Rochester is refusing to travel to Brooklyn to play the scheduled games. The franchise is talking with the ABA about being awarded forfeited wins due to Rochester's refusal to play. As a result, the Comets will finish the Regular Season on the road with three games:


* Rochester's refusal to travel to Brooklyn means that the ABA will be awarding Brooklyn two wins , and Rochester must take two loses onto thier schedule. As of this time Rochester is refusing to travel to Brooklyn and take the loses onto thier schedule , Rochester is showing zero class and has left the ABA with no choice but to move forard with banding them from the playoffs.

[bdaly]

I'd look into this issue a little further. There aren't two Brooklyn games on Rochester's schedule. On the postgame, they discussed Rochester's three game trip and one game in Brooklyn is on the schedule. I suspect there are some more politics at work here.

[The Magician]

Rochester's refusal to travel to Brooklyn means that the ABA will be awarding Brooklyn two wins , and Rochester must take two loses onto thier schedule. As of this time Rochester is refusing to travel to Brooklyn and take the loses onto thier schedule , Rochester is showing zero class and has left the ABA with no choice but to move forard with banding them from the playoffs.

Don't post anymore here at OSC ... You have zero credibility!

[tbayz1]

wow, ok 06er i hate to break it to ya but no one likes you or believes your posts, i thought Rochester and Maryland were supposed to be kicked out a long time ago that neva happened

[ABA06er]

the only Politics involved here is Rochester showing no class.

The Brooklyn organazation has done everything in thier power to run a great organazation and they have had great sucess so far. Rochester is playing the " we are better then you card " and showing zero class. Brad Hester is making the Playoff Schedule and I have been assured Rochester will no longer be on it. It states that if you fail to meet required scheduled games you are subject to dismissal from the ABA.

The Rochester Razorsharks have let down the Fans, the city of Rochester, and most of all the players who work so hard for so little.

I hope other leagues will realize what a no class act Rochester is and ban them from joining other leagues as well. As far as I am concerned the Rochester Ownership Group should be banned from all of Professional basketball at any league or level.

[ABA06er]

tbayz , are you still upset that Buffalo has trouble giving away tickets for people to show up to thier games ?

Just be happy that your team actually travels to away games unlike Rochester.

[tbayz1]

im good with the 'Backs, last two games have been great, wed good attendence fans loved the game and same thing last night packed house, tight squeeze there were so many people, 'Backs put on a good show for the new fans seeing them for the first time, so i wouldnt be surpised if they get a good turn out for the home playoff game its looks like were gettin

and im pefrectly happy with the team, no complaints, well-run prodcution this year, i mean it be nice to have close to 1000 which we might see with this playoff game coming up

[ABA06er]

And MAgician man , you have already been warned by posters that you are not the moderator of this site and not welcomed to tell people when they can and can not post or in what threads they can post in.

Is possible you are upset because you were the owner of the Birmingham Magicians who folded ? the name fits , I think that is you.

BUSTED !


Maybe you can chat with the Rochester owners in the un-employment line.

[ABA06er]

I think Buffalo has a great team , I just think its a shame the attendence is so horrible considering the size of the city and the talent they have.

I love the Syracuse Orangmen ( sorry refuse to call them the orange )

Duany was and still is one of my favorite players , he played a huge role in the 2003 title team.

Buffalo makes all thier scheduled games and helps out in the community I have no problem with them , but Rochester showing no class and refusing to travel to away games wont be tolerated by the ABA.

[tbayz1]

:eek: this thread might get ugly

[tbayz1]

I think Buffalo has a great team , I just think its a shame the attendence is so horrible considering the size of the city and the talent they have.

I love the Syracuse Orangmen ( sorry refuse to call them the orange )

Duany was and still is one of my favorite players , he played a huge role in the 2003 title team.

Buffalo makes all thier scheduled games and helps out in the community I have no problem with them , but Rochester showing no class and refusing to travel to away games wont be tolerated by the ABA.


only games we didnt make this year was due to all the teams folding, that ill agree on with ya but i think they shouldve tried to make some of those up

and yes the attendence isnt the greatest but next year i think theyre gona play at a lil smaller venue next yr, when u get 500 people at Buff State a 3200 seat arena it looks empty plus rent is expensive at a college and we'll see how they do attendence wise for the playoffs with all the new fans and the media is gona pick up on this im expecting a good turnout

[The Magician]

the only Politics involved here is Rochester showing no class.

Actually ... The Brooklyn organization did not show much class in how they prepared and issued their press release. Even if you have a problem with one of the other teams in the league, you don't issue a negative public statement.

Brad Hester is making the Playoff Schedule and I have been assured Rochester will no longer be on it. It states that if you fail to meet required scheduled games you are subject to dismissal from the ABA.

Well ... I guess that means ... We will crown an ABA Champion this year without any playoffs taking place. Because, by all preliminary indications, only "1" team may play all 36 games this year.

So Brad Hester needs not to worry about spending a few brief minutes (with Joe Newman) making the playoff schedule!

[ABA06er]

well with Rochester being kicked out of the Playoffs atleast it will open up a spot for a team who actually believes that showing up to away games is part of being a basketball team.

[ABA06er]

Brooklyn owes Rochester no favors, Rochester has refused to travel to away games on thier schedule .... no one owes Rochester any favors , Rochester has already showed they dont care about ABA fans or players by this classless act.

[Fells]

Part one of this scenario is true has has been confirmed by not only the team's website, but other sources. Part two of this cannot be confirmed at this time.

[tbayz1]

Buffalo was originally supposed to play Brooklyn on Sat. but then about a week or two ago it said 'Chester on the schedule against Bklyn tomorrow, but now they're not goin, this is a mess

[The Magician]

And MAgician man , you have already been warned by posters that you are not the moderator of this site and not welcomed to tell people when they can and can not post or in what threads they can post in.

ABA06er, NO INDIVIDUAL MORTAL ON THIS PLANET WARNS ME OF ANYTHING!

Is possible you are upset because you were the owner of the Birmingham Magicians who folded ? the name fits , I think that is you. (BUSTED!)

NO ABA06er, I am not BUSTED ... I am not the owner of the Birmingham Magicians ... who have not folded by the way!

Another example ... of why you have NO CREDIBILITY!!!

Maybe you can chat with the Rochester owners in the un-employment line.

YOU JUST "BRING IT" ABA06er ... I'll send you crying to Joe's house, so you can share his blanky and suck your thumbs together!

[tbayz1]

told ya this would get ugly;)

oo yeah 06er i like Kueth too, he makes a big difference too bad he was hurt basically the whole first half of the year, we'd have a beta record if he played in most of the games this season

[ABA06er]

whats a matter Birminham " MAGICIAN " was it the fact that none of the dance team you hired to entertain fans at your game would give you the time of day ??? Is that what led to your meltdown that caused your team to fold ?


Maybe you can apply for another credit card and try to pick up the rest of Rochesters Schedule.


Oh thats right you dont have any credit , the repo man siezed the birmingham magican mobile a long time ago !

[ABA06er]

I am actually a big fan of both Duany's , Tbayz , do you remember his brother who played on the Wisconsin Final 4 team a few years back ?

He was a great player as well , what the chances of Buffalo getting both Duany's on the same team ????

[The Magician]

I hope other leagues will realize what a no class act Rochester is and ban them from joining other leagues as well. As far as I am concerned the Rochester Ownership Group should be banned from all of Professional basketball at any league or level.

Again ... You have no credibility in making such a statement ... and a horrible one at that!

[ABA06er]

again Magician man , you know not of what you speak , that repo man must have done a number on you.

work on your teams website by the way !

http://www.birminghammagic.net/

[tbayz1]

im not as familar with his bro as i am with Kueth, wasnt his first name and last Duany? that be sweet of they both played for us, id prolly crap my pants if they did, i love the group of guys on the 'Backs, Keith "Boss" Closs is also one of my fav's eventhough he sux on offense and likes to joke around and talk with the other team and not run full speed, he is funny as all hell, makes the games even more fun than what they are already, but he is good on "D" and can play a ton of mins

[The Magician]

whats a matter Birminham " MAGICIAN " was it the fact that none of the dance team you hired to entertain fans at your game would give you the time of day ??? Is that what led to your meltdown that caused your team to fold ?


Maybe you can apply for another credit card and try to pick up the rest of Rochesters Schedule.


Oh thats right you dont have any credit , the repo man siezed the birmingham magican mobile a long time ago !


You couldn't bring it ... even if you had tried ... no credibility!

[ABA06er]

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

TThe Birmingham Magicians have decided to defer playing until the 2007-08 ABA basketball season. The Magician's management wish to thank the fans, the ABA, and our supporters for a great inaugural ABA season. We will continue to work in the community as we have done during this brief hiatus as we prepare for the 2007-08 season.We strongly support the ABA and its continued growth and progress. We look forward to a long successful future in the ABA.H

RR. McDaniel, Owner



we even have your real name now ! Ha and you call yourself majic

[jwalters]

I'm with the Magic man on this one. It also seems that perhaps Rochester was picked as a replacement team for some team that dropped out. Rochester may not be playing the game because they did not approve the schedule change. I find it very hard to criticize a team that leads the league in attendance and has been known to outdraw the CBA's Albany Patroons.

[bdaly]

It's an accomodations issue. Let's just say the Razorsharks have reason to believe the quality of the hotel is questionable. Based on what I've read online, they have a point. Comments online have included discussions of smelly rooms, repeat visitors to a specific room during the night, mold, and so on. So it has nothing to do with Rochester refusing to travel. They just refuse to travel if they accomodations aren't reasonable.

[ABA06er]

If you have any connections Tbayz with the ownership in Buffalo I think mentioning the Duany brothers both being in town for next season would be a great idea.

And yes his name was Duany Duany

[The Magician]

again Magician man , you know not of what you speak , that repo man must have done a number on you.

work on your teams website by the way !

http://www.birminghammagic.net/

Keep trying ABA06er ... Keep trying.

And you will have to e-mail the owner of the Magicians about the website if you feel the need.

[tbayz1]

i still like Rochester eventhough this is a fiasco right now, they put on a good show, and i dont no what the ABA would be like w/o em and i dont think that Magician is the owner of any ABA team, thats where i disagree with ya and draw the line 06er, if ya wana talk bout games, players, stats, etc... id be more than happy to, but i dont get involved in stuff like Rochester blah blah or this guy owns this team and repo blah blah.... im not down with that stuff

[The Magician]

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

TThe Birmingham Magicians have decided to defer playing until the 2007-08 ABA basketball season. The Magician's management wish to thank the fans, the ABA, and our supporters for a great inaugural ABA season. We will continue to work in the community as we have done during this brief hiatus as we prepare for the 2007-08 season.We strongly support the ABA and its continued growth and progress. We look forward to a long successful future in the ABA.H

RR. McDaniel, Owner



we even have your real name now ! Ha and you call yourself majic

I must say ... That's not my name, thank you very much.

[Fells]

It's an accomodations issue. Let's just say the Razorsharks have reason to believe the quality of the hotel is questionable. Based on what I've read online, they have a point. Comments online have included discussions of smelly rooms, repeat visitors to a specific room during the night, mold, and so on. So it has nothing to do with Rochester refusing to travel. They just refuse to travel if they accomodations aren't reasonable.

Yup, that is what I heard as well.

[ABA06er]

Bdaly , the comets are owned by the Elton Brad Family , and have offered Rochester the choice of hotel , money is not an option in this nor is the hotel.

Elton Brand's brother is running the team and Elton Knows his name is attached in this as well as his familys name , they are running this first class so you can stop with your bad hotel room cop out for your Rochester team because it is false , dont believe me ? Call the Brand's up who spent more money on dinner last night then both Rochester owners have in thier bank accounts.

[sportsguy12]

the only Politics involved here is Rochester showing no class.

The Brooklyn organazation has done everything in thier power to run a great organazation and they have had great sucess so far. Rochester is playing the " we are better then you card " and showing zero class.


calling the kettle black. 06er ... how can you even say this when Rochester has been such a model franchise for so long and put up with all of the crap that is the ABA.

Brooklyn hasn't even played 10 games. That does not even warrant the status of a model franchise compared to 2+ seasons.

Before you hit that "Submit" button to make a post. Why don't you get a dictionary or try spellcheck.

organazation = organization
thier = their
sucess = success
lack of common sense = 06er

[tbayz1]

i kno the owner's family and what not jus from goin to the games and i no his kids too, and the trainer of the team ino him, thx for bringin up Duany Duany, that be awesome to have em both on the team, and for the playoffs even beta

[tbayz1]

if i owned a team and the accomindations werent right and suitable id second guess goin there, i wouldnt say Bklyn is classy if 'Chester wont go due to accomidations etc...

[ABA06er]

Just because you use to work at a Radio Station and your brother has alot of money because he is a doctor and you mooch off of him does not make you a good owner.

Rochesters refusal to travel just goes to show why he has no class and why he would be lucky to get an intern job at a radio station now.

[bdaly]

Yup, that is what I heard as well.
Yup, these people didn't seem to be a fan of it:

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/travel/where_to_stay/article693891.ece

It's the hotel that these poor people were switched to (not the Radisson).

[ABA06er]

Who would dare want Rochester in the playoffs now , they could be scheduled to show up at your Arena and call the day before the game and say they heard it was going to be windy outside the arena and that the ownership is alergic to windburn.

Sounds bogus ?

So does saying Elton Brand and Family can not afford to give Rochester the hotel accomadations to travel for a game 5 hours away from Rochester.

Rochester is a no class show!

[tbayz1]

look at the Richmond Ballerz and their owner Iverson's mom, dont tell me she didnt have some cash on her pocket, and now wheres the team, theyre in the poop hole right now with all the other folded teams, Eltons name could be on the team but doesnt mean hes gona keep spending money on it, he saved the Comets and left family in charge and if theyre not making some money i dont think Elton is jus gona throw away money on an ABA team

[ABA06er]

Brooklyn Comets nor any other team nor even the ABA was mentioned in that article !

Bdaly where does it say Rochester was forced to stay in that hotel ????

Let me pull up a random article off line and say Rochester forced a team to stay in a bad hotel , What thier is no bad hotels in Rochester ??? Perhaps you have not been down town latley.........

when it came down to teams with money I would put Elton Brands multi milliondollar family over a guy who is an ex- employee in a radio station whos brother is a foot doctor checking out a ladys old warts right now.

[preeths]

The Brooklyn organazation has done everything in thier power to run a great organazation and they have had great sucess so far. Rochester is playing the " we are better then you card " and showing zero class. Brad Hester is making the Playoff Schedule and I have been assured Rochester will no longer be on it. It states that if you fail to meet required scheduled games you are subject to dismissal from the ABA.

Wow, is the league going to hold every playoff team to this criteria?

[The Magician]

... and i dont think that Magician is the owner of any ABA team ..."

I am not an owner of an ABA team ... and If I was ... I wouldn't be posting on any basketball message board - period. (No offense Paul :) )

And if I was associated with the ABA on an executive or staff level, or a family member of an ABA executive or staff member ... I would not be posting on a message board either!

So basically, ABA06er ... Whoever YOU are ... well, I have already made that clear.

[tbayz1]

id say Magician speaks the truth

[ABA06er]

I would say Magician sounds like a ticked off owner of the Birmingham Magicians who just seen the car he use to own pass him on the street ....


DAMN THE REPO MAN !

[bdaly]

The Razorsharks have always prided themselves on how they've treated their players. Would putting them in a place with this reputation allow them to maintain that?

Further research reveals the motel’s colourful history. In February 1982, Robert Scheff, a 34-year-old man suspected of committing a string of robberies across Brooklyn, shot himself in Room 210 after police told him to come out with his hands up. And in March 1998, crack-addict Guy Zappulla was arrested outside Room 234 on suspicion of stealing his girlfriend’s fur coat. When the police searched the room, they found not only the fur coat but also the corpse of a prostitute, Jennifer Scarpati, hidden under the bed. Zappulla got 25 years for second-degree murder.

It's from the article I posted. ABA06er, it's not that hard to find out answers when you actually ask. Posting that Rochester isn't willing to play any road games further diminishes any remaining shreads of your credibility. Furthermore, most teams have a partner hotel, it's fairly rare that visiting teams have any real choice.

[tbayz1]

oo that hotel sounds lovely;)

[ABA06er]

Rochester had a choice .... all you had to do was ask Brooklyn , its not that hard Bdaly , then again if you took the time to find out Rochester was to blame you might not get that xmas party invite next year

[Chuck the Writer]

Well if Rochester won't show up for the game how about getting the ABA's hottest replacement team, the 3-1 Utica Wreckers, to show up? Who needs Lazarus Sims and Mook Reaves when you've got Schultz Dooley, Tyree Elk Deer, Sylvain Lemieux and Purlie Scarvin ready to suit up?

[tbayz1]

06er:

i was reading up on Duany Duany and in some interview he said he wants to get into to coaching etc... sounded like he was done with pro bball, this interview was from like a year ago

[preeths]

Bdaly , the comets are owned by the Elton Brad Family , and have offered Rochester the choice of hotel , money is not an option in this nor is the hotel.

Elton Brand's brother is running the team and Elton Knows his name is attached in this as well as his familys name , they are running this first class so you can stop with your bad hotel room cop out for your Rochester team because it is false , dont believe me ? Call the Brand's up who spent more money on dinner last night then both Rochester owners have in thier bank accounts.

And Allen Iverson's mother owns the Richmond Ballerz. What difference has it made to them?

[bdaly]

And Allen Iverson's mother owns the Richmond Ballerz. What difference has it made to them?
Precisely. ABA06er, I have absolutely no tie-in to the organization. I go to a good number of games and I think they do a nice job. So what you stated seemed miles out of character. And, sure enough, your information is false (again).

[preeths]

Brad Hester is making the Playoff Schedule and I have been assured Rochester will no longer be on it.

I have it on very good authority that this is a misleading statement at best, and a complete lie at worst.

[tbayz1]

i agree with ya Preeths lol

[ABA06er]

who is your good authority prreths ? because I am inside the ABA , you are not.

Does calling Tom Doyles Secretary constitute on good authority ?


Still waiting on Bdaly to call Brooklyn so they can explain to them they gave Rochester a choice of hotels in the area......

[Dragon]

06er,

Please stop making comments that are baseless in fact. I truly doubt that you have any idea what is really happening "inside the ABA". Also, would it kill you to use a spell check once in a while?

[The Magician]

who is your good authority prreths ? because I am inside the ABA , you are not.

Sooooo ABA06er ... I mean Mr. Tom Chichester, ABA director of officials ...

Now, we know why you claim to be an "ABA Insider!"

Shouldn't you be doing your job ... instead of posting on the message boards?

And by the way ... Alot of the ABA Fans around the league seem to think that you need to be
re-certified as a referee. You might want to get on that ...

[tbayz1]

Sooooo ABA06er ... I mean Mr. Tom Chichester, ABA director of officials ...

Now, we know why you claim to be an "ABA Insider!"

Shouldn't you be doing your job ... instead of posting on the message boards?

And by the way ... Alot of the ABA Fans around the league seem to think that you need to be
re-certified as a referee. You might want to get on that ...

he did the Vermont-Buffalo game i went to on Wed, and surpising the officiating wasnt that bad, but stil not a huge fan of Tom C.

jus admit it 06er if u are Tom

[ABA06er]

haha , i must say I do know Tom , and I as well am not a huge fan of his ref skills at all times .......... sorry not Tom though


Maybe the Magician should spend less time guessing who I am and spend more time hiding from the REPO man taking another car from him !

[The Magician]

haha , i must say I do know Tom , and I as well am not a huge fan of his ref skills at all times ... sorry not Tom though

And to think, We thought you might have had at least some credibility ... I guess not!

[ABA06er]

and to think you lost your credibility and your car

[The Magician]

and to think you lost your credibility and your car


is intact ... thank you very much!

[ABA06er]

about as intact as your team that has ceased operations

[zeke41]

Let me just say this...if there ARE in fact people on this messaging board who are "INSIDE" the ABA, stop fighting with people offering legitimate complaints and suggestions and do something to fix this struggling BUT promising league!

- Centralize the league with some leadership
- REQUIRE teams to attend away games (let home teams explain to their own fans why they can't have a home game - or...better suggestion...pay the referrees out of the ABA corporate budget, if there is one)
- If the league insists on letting underqualified ownership teams in, don't let it be at the expense of the fans, the image of the ABA, etc. Have a contigency plan so that teams that are strruggling to get off the ground can pay their referree fees, get to away games, etc.


that's just a couple suggestions, but...overall, if you are inside the ABA, stop fighting back and listen to the fans, because, just like, say a McDonalds franchise, if there are no customers, there's no McDonalds. Sooner or later the credibility of the ABA will be nonexistent

[The Magician]

about as intact as your team that has ceased operations

You would have to e-mail the owner of the Magicians to get a current confirmation as to the status of the organization itself ...

[ABA06er]

but u r the owner majic man

[The Magician]

but u r the owner majic man

[Poof] Be Gone, ABA06er!

I guess it worked ... :mrgreen:

[C l u t c H 385]

he did the Vermont-Buffalo game i went to on Wed, and surpising the officiating wasnt that bad, but stil not a huge fan of Tom C.

jus admit it 06er if u are Tom

The other 2 refs were OK. Chichester tried everything he could to give Vermont that game.

[C l u t c H 385]

Let me just say this...if there ARE in fact people on this messaging board who are "INSIDE" the ABA, stop fighting with people offering legitimate complaints and suggestions and do something to fix this struggling BUT promising league!

- Centralize the league with some leadership
- REQUIRE teams to attend away games (let home teams explain to their own fans why they can't have a home game - or...better suggestion...pay the referrees out of the ABA corporate budget, if there is one)
- If the league insists on letting underqualified ownership teams in, don't let it be at the expense of the fans, the image of the ABA, etc. Have a contigency plan so that teams that are strruggling to get off the ground can pay their referree fees, get to away games, etc.


that's just a couple suggestions, but...overall, if you are inside the ABA, stop fighting back and listen to the fans, because, just like, say a McDonalds franchise, if there are no customers, there's no McDonalds. Sooner or later the credibility of the ABA will be nonexistent

Once Newman is gone, or neutralized for all intents and purposes, there is talk of requiring teams to have a bank account, the type of account escapes me now, escrow account?, with enough money in it to get through an entire season based on the minimum expenditures. Ref fees, rent, player salaries, etc. If a team a team sells some tickets they can expand their operation if they want. If not, they at least have enough money put away to make t though the year.

[preeths]

who is your good authority prreths ? because I am inside the ABA , you are not.

Does calling Tom Doyles Secretary constitute on good authority ?

Still waiting on Bdaly to call Brooklyn so they can explain to them they gave Rochester a choice of hotels in the area......

You ask for it, you got it. According to Brad Hester, "As the defending ABA champions with a current record of 19-6 I believe not only will Rochester be in the playoffs, but will most definitely be in contention for the ABA title again this season."

Now, you were saying something about credibility?

[ABA06er]

Preeths ever heard of saying what is politically correct to the media ( what they want to hear " and telling people the inside the truth........

Your right though , Rochester refuses to show up to games joe newman who is being sued by the rochester owner and brad hester decide them not showing up to games now is ok , and they tell you this.

You are smarter then that.......


I think

[tbayz1]

The other 2 refs were OK. Chichester tried everything he could to give Vermont that game.

Well Vermont did pay the refs before the game, saw it right in front of me lol

[preeths]

Come on, couching a statement to the media would have been something more along the lines of, "No decision has been made at this time," or "The situation is being reviewed." Instead, Mr. Hester said the opposite of what you stated. Now, I'm not foolish enough to bet on what's going to actually happen in the ABA, but Brad Hester, a person you named, denies your claims.

[ABA06er]

and he stands by them with me ......


so whats your point preeths ????


He knows your an ABA basher along with all your other lil posters , he would tell you what ever you wanted to hear

You and your posters have been all over every move the ABA has ever made and let other leagues skate bye with flaws unnoticed.....

He knows what everyone knows , yer all members of a online forum circus starring a bunch of clowns

[tbayz1]

Hey 06er you post alot on this forum, u make it a circus with some of your bizaare posts and threads

[The Magician]

He knows what everyone knows , yer all members of a online forum circus starring a bunch of clowns

YOU ARE WHO EXACTLY :confused:

[ABA06er]

thanks tbayz I know I can always count on you....


Hey atleast we both are Duany fans and what can top that ?

we are Duany Duany Fans - double the fun

[tbayz1]

thanks tbayz I know I can always count on you....


Hey atleast we both are Duany fans and what can top that ?

we are Duany Duany Fans - double the fun

u do make this forum nutz sometimes and post crazy, out of this world stuff that most of the time i disagree with ya on, but the one thing i like about you and can agree on is KUETH DUANY!! i luv that guy, great player!! and his bro Duany Duany

[bdaly]

He knows your an ABA basher along with all your other lil posters , he would tell you what ever you wanted to hear

Wow, I'm sure he appreciates that comment! If there's any truth to that, then it reflects poorly on his integrity. But, given the past credibility of your crystal ball, I'm going to assume he isn't blatantly lying.

[preeths]

ABA06er, I've said it before, but it bears repeating. You're the worst friend the ABA could have. Your version of the truth is so far skewed to one side, that others, who might otherwise give the league more of a chance, feel compelled to counterbalance your posts. As a claimed ABA "insider," if you'd actually acknowledge some of the shortcomings of the league and ask for constructive suggestions on how to fix them, or even just acknowledge the faults and point out the baby steps you feel the league is taking, you might find a much more receptive audience. Instead, your over-the-top boosterism and borderline paranoia with ABA critics make you look as if you're not quite grounded in reality.

There are good people in the ABA, I believe Mr. Hester included, who are trying to do things right. It often looks like they're fighting an uphill battle. Yet to hear you tell it, the ABA is the preeminent sports league in the world, run by a benevolent dictator who rules with unmatched wisdom, incredible foresight and unquestionable fairness.

[Sam Hill]

Funniest thread ever!

Chichester never gives up.

[tbayz1]

ABA06er, I've said it before, but it bears repeating. You're the worst friend the ABA could have. Your version of the truth is so far skewed to one side, that others, who might otherwise give the league more of a chance, feel compelled to counterbalance your posts. As a claimed ABA "insider," if you'd actually acknowledge some of the shortcomings of the league and ask for constructive suggestions on how to fix them, or even just acknowledge the faults and point out the baby steps you feel the league is taking, you might find a much more receptive audience. Instead, your over-the-top boosterism and borderline paranoia with ABA critics make you look as if you're not quite grounded in reality.

There are good people in the ABA, I believe Mr. Hester included, who are trying to do things right. It often looks like they're fighting an uphill battle. Yet to hear you tell it, the ABA is the preeminent sports league in the world, run by a benevolent dictator who rules with unmatched wisdom, incredible foresight and unquestionable fairness.

agreed 100% with ya Preeths and i think Hester might be the only trying to do things right but has limited authority, he is deff one of the few that tries his best to do things the right way

[tbayz1]

Funniest thread ever!

Chichester never gives up.

lol
one thing i like about him is he is a Duany fan!

[The Magician]

There are good people in the ABA, I believe Mr. Hester included, who are trying to do things right. It often looks like they're fighting an uphill battle.

There are some solid people associated with the ABA.

I have been a biting critic of Brad Hester's position with the ABA ... and I have come to learn recently, that he has been doing some things to try to get this season completed, as best as possible.

But the fact remains ... I believe the ABA needs a new CEO .. and that is a part of the battle!

[rams80]

Dang...missed it.

So yeah...Newman-kun, or Chichester-kun or Baka yarou...Stop.

Joe's information probably isn't good.
Rochester not being in the playoffs would kill them credibilty wise.

Also more spelling help...leaque=league.

[BreakersFan]

the only Politics involved here is Rochester showing no class.

The Brooklyn organazation has done everything in thier power to run a great organazation and they have had great sucess so far. Rochester is playing the " we are better then you card " and showing zero class. Brad Hester is making the Playoff Schedule and I have been assured Rochester will no longer be on it. It states that if you fail to meet required scheduled games you are subject to dismissal from the ABA.
The Rochester Razorsharks have let down the Fans, the city of Rochester, and most of all the players who work so hard for so little.

I hope other leagues will realize what a no class act Rochester is and ban them from joining other leagues as well. As far as I am concerned the Rochester Ownership Group should be banned from all of Professional basketball at any league or level.

Ummm.... so you must complete your schedule or you can't be in the play-offs? How many teams will actually complete their schedule? 3??

[The Magician]

Ummm.... so you must complete your schedule or you can't be in the play-offs? How many teams will actually complete their schedule? 3??

I would say, fewer than five teams will complete a 36 game schedule ... And that might be stretching it!

It may end up that Vermont and Jacksonville are the only teams to play all 36 ...

[carterpatterson]

Magician...there may only be a handful of teams that play 36, but the real testament is WHO PLAYED ALL OF THEIR HOME GAMES and who did not stiff a home opponent by not traveling. Atlanta is playing all of its home games. There is nothing ATL can do about classless teams in the Volunteer state who overpaid their players and now can't finish the season. I think the Home teams that CANCEL games because their opponents did not show up do their fans an injustice by not having a backup squad.

I love how you quoted our record at 8-14 against ABA teams. I'd rather be 10-15 than 0-0 or DNF. We went 2-2 against S. Alabama, 2-2 against Mississippi. Jacksonville swept us but I hardly expected a W tonight 24 hours before the league calls to ask us to play. Our game Sunday is scheduled against Tennessee. I doubt they will show up, but there will be fans in the stand having a great time regardless.

[utahstarsticketholder]

ABA76er, I offer this for your contemplation.....Mark Twain said..." Better to be thought a fool then to open your mouth (or posting) and remove all doubt. "
Your rambling attacks on the critics on the way the ABA legend is being run through the mud is becoming tired.
If you ever became honest and looked at the scam that is the ABA you will find that this is a disgrace. People are being harmed both financially, physically and mentally.
Player are hurt with no insurance, vendors provide services and are never compensated, fans are discouaged from supporting teams that fold in the night, and some owners are played for what ever a dishonest con man can generate from their bank accounts.
If anything, if you are truely a "fan", "supporter" of the ABA you should decry the recent history of this league.
The true "patriot" crys out at injustice, they do not wave a flag and close their eyes.
In summary, I don't really care if Rochester dishonored a committment to the Broklyn Comets. The league dishonors it's own history and soul by it's disregard for integrity.
Remember our troops, jack and cheryl.
BTW Hey, Joe where are my Salt Lake Dream Season Tickets?

[The Magician]

Magician ... there may only be a handful of teams that play 36, but the real testament is WHO PLAYED ALL OF THEIR HOME GAMES ... Atlanta is playing all of its home games ... I think the Home teams that CANCEL games because their opponents did not show up do their fans an injustice by not having a backup squad ... I love how you quoted our record at 8-14 against ABA teams ... Our game Sunday is scheduled against Tennessee. I doubt they will show up, but there will be fans in the stand having a great time regardless.

I just answered the guys question about Atlanta's record.

On Atlanta's schedule and tickets page:
http://www.ar172439.ihouse2000.com/bin/web/real_estate/AR172439/ACTIVATE_FRAMES/FLEX2/Snellville/1171776646.html

It shows 8 wins and 14 losses against ABA teams, not including tonight's game.

The other 2 victories were against RAVIA, who I believe, is an SEBL team.

Don't jump on me ... The ABA is the one who is not crediting Atlanta with 10 wins.

I just checked http://www.abalive.com/standings/standings.xls and they have Atlanta listed at 8-14 ...

Tell "Q" to call the league if there is an issue ...

Good Luck to The Vision the rest of the way!

[TEN]

I can say with experience that there is NOT a decent hotel in Brooklyn to take a team to. When we played the Brooklyn Kings I would either keep my guys in Pennsylvania and drive over, or we found a reasonable Howard Johnson's at the Newark Airport to stay at a couple of times (I ought to get a commission from that hotel...Last year, every USBL team in the midwest stayed there after I told them that it was clean, convenient and around 80 bucks a night)

I couldn't find a Brooklyn hotel that I would stay at....

Best trip ever? One year our owner decided to put up the team for the entire week long road trip at the Yale Club in Manhattan...300 dollar a night rooms just across the street from Grand Central Station! Unbelievable! It even made that Jersey Howard Johnsons look frumpy ;)

[psbf]

I can't say that I'm surprised to learn that Brooklyn does not have a hotel. I would think that the Comets ownership was so eager to get a team in the area that they never bothered to think about visiting team accomadations (btw, I think you mean the Brooklyn Knights?).

[bdaly]

Perhaps another standard the league needs is to require AAA-approved hotels. It doesn't have to be a three of four star hotel/motel, but even a Motel 6 or Super 8 guarantees sanitary rooms and the option of non-smoking rooms. Even if the hotel is a significant distance from the court, it's better than forcing players to stay at a hotel with that sort of history. It appears Brooklyn has only hosted one game (Newark), and it was a team that could bus there and bus back. Interesting....

[dmbishop]

Well, here's what AAA has to say about mid-level hotels near Brooklyn (prices are for 2 adults per room, availability was for this weekend). Took me about 3 minutes to get this list.

Howard Johnson-Brooklyn From $134.10 USD
Two Diamond
Area: Brooklyn, NY
3.9 mi

Comfort Suites From $96.79 USD
Three Diamond
Area: North Bergen, NJ
5.8 mi

Super 8 Motel From $109.99 USD
Two Diamond
Area: Astoria, NY
5.9 mi

Super 8 Motel From $67.49 USD
Two Diamond
Area: North Bergen, NJ
6.2 mi

Hampton Inn From $199.00 USD
Three Diamond
Area: Secaucus, NJ
7.3 mi

Econo Lodge From $107.99 USD
One Diamond
Area: Ozone Park, NY
8.7 mi

Howard Johnson Hotel From $69.99 USD
Two Diamond
Area: Newark, NJ
8.9 mi

Quality Inn Jamaica From $83.62 USD
Two Diamond
Area: Jamaica, NY
9.5 mi

[BasketballUSA]

Brooklyn was in the ABA, then it was out. Now Brooklyn is back with new owners, but they have not had a visiting team stay overnight. They play 8 games and Joe says on his radio show " its NOT wins and loses that get you into the playoffs but a good organization like Brooklyn is now, Brooklyn may get a wild card spot in the playoffs" Is JOE INSANE? When will this insanity stop? Rochester and no other team should venture into a last minute half-ass set up of a team/organization. What happened to Toledo Joe the second time around? Oh they folded also! Joe should worry about keeping the good organizations happy and let the wanna-bees that he let in go down the tubes.

[psbf]

I can now understand why Rochester did not want to visit Brooklyn, although it should have been handled better(imo).
As far as that list, Jamaica is not in Brooklyn, as I recall, and Astoria is in Queens(County)-I believe Ozone Park is as well. The rest are in New Jersey, which means that only one Motel-Howard Johnsons-is in Brooklyn. Still, one is better than none.

[tbayz1]

Brooklyn was in the ABA, then it was out. Now Brooklyn is back with new owners, but they have not had a visiting team stay overnight. They play 8 games and Joe says on his radio show " its NOT wins and loses that get you into the playoffs but a good organization like Brooklyn is now, Brooklyn may get a wild card spot in the playoffs" Is JOE INSANE? When will this insanity stop? Rochester and no other team should venture into a last minute half-ass set up of a team/organization. What happened to Toledo Joe the second time around? Oh they folded also! Joe should worry about keeping the good organizations happy and let the wanna-bees that he let in go down the tubes.


agreed!

damn Toledo team cost the Silverbacks 6 games i believe and Bklyn like 1 or 2

[AConcernedCitizen]

Is ABA '06er Joe?

[tbayz1]

Is ABA '06er Joe?

i think we have come to the conclusion that ABA06er is Joe and also Tom Chichester, i think this answer is in a thread called "ABA06er Exposed"

[carterpatterson]

I just answered the guys question about Atlanta's record.

On Atlanta's schedule and tickets page:
http://www.ar172439.ihouse2000.com/bin/web/real_estate/AR172439/ACTIVATE_FRAMES/FLEX2/Snellville/1171776646.html

It shows 8 wins and 14 losses against ABA teams, not including tonight's game.

The other 2 victories were against RAVIA, who I believe, is an SEBL team.

Don't jump on me ... The ABA is the one who is not crediting Atlanta with 10 wins.

I just checked http://www.abalive.com/standings/standings.xls and they have Atlanta listed at 8-14 ...

Tell "Q" to call the league if there is an issue ...

Good Luck to The Vision the rest of the way!
Magician..you're all right. I'll talk to Q tomorrow after we whoop on whatever team shows up in place of Tennessee.

The league did approve the RAVIA games so they should be credited to us. If you have a home game and show up, it should count. Both Orlando and Miami told us that they could not rent busses to play us because of the Super Bowl. What a crock.

[bomp]

Rochester had a choice .... all you had to do was ask Brooklyn , its not that hard Bdaly , then again if you took the time to find out Rochester was to blame you might not get that xmas party invite next year


It seems that our buddy here is worried. I hope you enjoy prison.

[TheTruth]

Some of the posts on this board are ridiculous...Rochester Razorsharks are not being kicked out of the ABA. They (ABA) acknowledges some schedule changes but its business as usual.

[panchess]

..though NYC can be a challenge for budget-minded basketball teams. I am guessing from the thread that USBL teams make their own travel arrangements, and aren't put up by the home team like in the CBA or D-League.

The Brooklyn Kings are a USBL franchise. I don;t know who the Brooklyn Knights are.

The Albany Patroons use the Regency Hotel by Exit 23. Clean, sanitary, yes. Elegant, no. It does have a restaurant though.

I assume they didn't play the game. What happens now?

[nksports]

They play 8 games and Joe says on his radio show " its NOT wins and loses that get you into the playoffs but a good organization like Brooklyn is now, Brooklyn may get a wild card spot in the playoffs" Is JOE INSANE? When will this insanity stop?

The criteria for making the ABA playoffs is simple. If you haven't folded, if you still have money to travel, pay your players (maybe) and pay for the hotel rooms, you make the playoffs. (If I recall from the last couple of years, teams have folded during the playoffs.)

[jamesaba]

Chichester's a hoot, isn't he?

His 'nah, nah, nah's' against the Magician sounds like a 2nd grader in a school yard argument.

His worshipping of Rochester initially shows his impartiality (like why does he have to ref every Rochester game?)

Now that Rochester has crossed his buddy Joe, he is lashes out at them. BUT, his claim that Rochester won't travel is a bunch of BULL. According to Brad Hester, who is an honest hardworking person IMA, Rochester is playing their remaining schedule and will be in the playoffs!

SO, this thread created by the hysteric Chichester - is once again one of his farces: it was an issue between Brooklyn and Rochester only. (TC acts as if Rochester is the first franchise to ever not want to go to a road game - at least they gave notice!).

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Thing is...

This is being treated as a "news" release, as though it were:
1 - factual
2 - credible
3 - actually going to take place

It is, in reality, nothing more than the desperate hopes and wishes of a bitter man (or men, although I don't necessarily subscribe to the multi-poster theory).

It is no different than someone posting a message here that says:
"The ABA will be carried by ESPN" or
"The ABA will play the NBA in a challenge game" or
"The ABA will have 100 teams within three years" or
"The ABA will hold the Red White and Blue Concert on September 9 in Little Rock" or
"The ABA provides exciting family entertainment at affordable prices" or
"Yes, I am still ABA CEO. The rumors and blogs are not true. "

And just curious, but shouldn't the fact that the RiverCatz closed shop - thereby obviously refusing to travel to away games - be held against the Aeros since, you know, they have the same owner? Has anyone been able to understand this ridiculous reason for yanking a team? Were their only options that specific hotel or a refrigerator box for accommodations? Their failure to complete their schedule puts the same 'hardship' on their opponents that Brooklyn dealt with in regards to Rochester.

Oh, and Tom - ABA teams don't "fold" - they are "suspended" for not meeting leageu obligations. Really, now - Joe will be mad at you for not using the league-authorized language tools.

[Fells]

Okie doke folks, here is the scoop. Rochester is not traveling to its games against Brooklyn due to inadequate hotel rooms being provided by the team. Bad area, less than one star, and not worthy of anyone, much less a pro basketball team. Rochester is not being tossed out of the league, but are "being dealt with".

If I was Rochester, and hearing about the hotel they were to stay in, I wouldn't travel there either.........

[jamesaba]

Thing is...

This is being treated as a "news" release, as though it were:
1 - factual
2 - credible
3 - actually going to take place

It is, in reality, nothing more than the desperate hopes and wishes of a bitter man (or men, although I don't necessarily subscribe to the multi-poster theory).

It is no different than someone posting a message here that says:
"The ABA will be carried by ESPN" or
"The ABA will play the NBA in a challenge game" or
"The ABA will have 100 teams within three years" or
"The ABA will hold the Red White and Blue Concert on September 9 in Little Rock" or
"The ABA provides exciting family entertainment at affordable prices" or
"Yes, I am still ABA CEO. The rumors and blogs are not true. "

And just curious, but shouldn't the fact that the RiverCatz closed shop - thereby obviously refusing to travel to away games - be held against the Aeros since, you know, they have the same owner? Has anyone been able to understand this ridiculous reason for yanking a team? Were their only options that specific hotel or a refrigerator box for accommodations? Their failure to complete their schedule puts the same 'hardship' on their opponents that Brooklyn dealt with in regards to Rochester.

Oh, and Tom - ABA teams don't "fold" - they are "suspended" for not meeting leageu obligations. Really, now - Joe will be mad at you for not using the league-authorized language tools.

I couldn't agree more! ABA06er::::here-here: we are waiting for you to BLAST the Aeros as a Classless Organization - the same as you did for Rochester...after all the owner of the Aeros also owned the Rivercatz and they are REFUSING to play all their remaining road games....go ahead make a new thread: RIVERCATZ REFUSING TO TRAVEL...BEING BOOTED FROM ABA!!!!

[bdaly]

Here's a part of a D&C column that discusses the situation:

http://www.rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070226/SPORTS0101/702260348/1007/SPORTS

RazorSharks playing in a faction-torn league

(February 26, 2007) — Fresh off their 33rd straight home win Thursday night, the American Basketball Association defending champion Rochester RazorSharks didn't show up for a road game Saturday against the Brooklyn Comets.

The Comets — who began this season under different ownership as the Wonders — claim Rochester refused to travel to the game and should forfeit.

RazorSharks CEO Orest Hrywnak said the overnight lodging and shootaround arrangements lined up by the host Comets were "below ABA standards."

The RazorSharks have played 60 total games in their two ABA seasons — 38 at home and 22 on the road. That disparity alone is evidence of a dysfunctional league.

The second-year RazorSharks are awesome at home (an all-time 36-2, including 33 straight wins) and pretty good on the road ( 14-8 ) and ideally could use a few more away games to toughen up for their title defense.

There are four games left on the regular season schedule — we think.

RazorSharks president Steve Rossi says Saturday's game at the Newark Express is "doubtful" and Sunday's game at Cape Cod "is on." The season wraps up with home games against the Vermont Frost Heaves on March 6 and the Strong Island Sound on March 8. They'll definitely be played.

But what about the playoffs?

There are two factions battling for control of the ABA. The five-member board of directors weeks ago voted 3-2 to dump league CEO Joe Newman. He then "fired" the board of directors.

The two sides are scheduled to meet this week to discuss their differences and finalize playoff plans.

If all goes well short-term, the RazorSharks will have an opportunity to defend their championship next month.

If all goes well long-term, the ABA will grow by shrinking. A more compact league with responsible owners would be a huge upgrade over a bloated, underfinanced league in which chaos reigns.

[BreakersFan]

Here's a part of a D&C column that discusses the situation:

http://www.rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070226/SPORTS0101/702260348/1007/SPORTS

RazorSharks playing in a faction-torn league

(February 26, 2007) — Fresh off their 33rd straight home win Thursday night, the American Basketball Association defending champion Rochester RazorSharks didn't show up for a road game Saturday against the Brooklyn Comets.

The Comets — who began this season under different ownership as the Wonders — claim Rochester refused to travel to the game and should forfeit.

RazorSharks CEO Orest Hrywnak said the overnight lodging and shootaround arrangements lined up by the host Comets were "below ABA standards."

The RazorSharks have played 60 total games in their two ABA seasons — 38 at home and 22 on the road. That disparity alone is evidence of a dysfunctional league.

The second-year RazorSharks are awesome at home (an all-time 36-2, including 33 straight wins) and pretty good on the road ( 14-8 ) and ideally could use a few more away games to toughen up for their title defense.

There are four games left on the regular season schedule — we think.

RazorSharks president Steve Rossi says Saturday's game at the Newark Express is "doubtful" and Sunday's game at Cape Cod "is on." The season wraps up with home games against the Vermont Frost Heaves on March 6 and the Strong Island Sound on March 8. They'll definitely be played.

But what about the playoffs?

There are two factions battling for control of the ABA. The five-member board of directors weeks ago voted 3-2 to dump league CEO Joe Newman. He then "fired" the board of directors.

The two sides are scheduled to meet this week to discuss their differences and finalize playoff plans.

If all goes well short-term, the RazorSharks will have an opportunity to defend their championship next month.

If all goes well long-term, the ABA will grow by shrinking. A more compact league with responsible owners would be a huge upgrade over a bloated, underfinanced league in which chaos reigns.



This quote from that article really sums up the ABA:

There are four games left on the regular season schedule — we think. (emphasis added)

Also when have you ever heard the phrase, "below ABA standards" --- anything below ABA standards has to be pretty bad....:infun:

[AConcernedCitizen]

:mad: :eek: :cool:

I just love Mondays in the ABA...

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Also when have you ever heard the phrase, "below ABA standards" --- anything below ABA standards has to be pretty bad....:infun:

Not to mention that the statement assumes there are ABA standards to begin with...

[jamesaba]

RAZORSHARKS PREPARE FOR PLAYOFFS!!

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3431163