I called some teams and asked Who is the CEO?...here are the results

[SportsGIG]

I called 6 teams in the Northeast. It took a while with most teams to get to a person who could answer the question. Here are the results:

Question. Who is the CEO of the ABA?

Team 1: We dont know.
Team 2: Tom Doyle (ok, so now you know Maryland is team 2)
Team 3: We dont know.
Team 4: We dont know, waiting for the SEC or anyone to legally tell us.
Team 5: We dont know, why, do you know?
Team 6: We dont know.

A few other teams were called, but no one answered the phone !

[The Magician]

I called 6 teams in the Northeast. It took a while with most teams to get to a person who could answer the question. Here are the results:

Question. Who is the CEO of the ABA?

Team 1: We dont know.
Team 2: Tom Doyle (ok, so now you know Maryland is team 2)
Team 3: We dont know.
Team 4: We dont know, waiting for the SEC or anyone to legally tell us.
Team 5: We dont know, why, do you know?
Team 6: We dont know.

A few other teams were called, but no one answered the phone !

about the truth of it ... No one knows :confused:

Just because Joe Newman says so: http://www.abalive.com/news/releases/?newsid=2007021606007

doesn't mean it's true ... It could be far from it.

[preeths]

The most shocking part of this survey? You actually got six ABA teams to answer the phone!

[The Magician]

The most shocking part of this survey? You actually got six ABA teams to answer the phone!

That's was pretty funny preeths :mrgreen:

[heavesrock]

Who are these teams? How do we know you just didn't make this up. I think you did. Why? Because none of them answered Joe Newman, and I don't think a number of owners know about the whole turmoil thing.

[preeths]

Oh, they know.

[zeke41]

Who are these teams? How do we know you just didn't make this up. I think you did. Why? Because none of them answered Joe Newman, and I don't think a number of owners know about the whole turmoil thing.

Trust me, Heavesrock...some of the owners in the ABA are not the most business savvy, but they aren't idiots. This is the biggest turmoil (and there's been a lot of turmoil in this league) since the re-start in 2000. I'd say no one answered "Joe Newman" because of the SEC filing -

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?FilingID=4931318&Type=HTML

After doing a lot of research myself, it seems that there's a serious war going on. See this site -

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/default.aspx?cik=1332044

There's a lot of people from both parties filing different things. It seems like it will have to be settled in court.

[heavesrock]

OK maybe I was wrong about that. But who are these teams? How do we still know that he actually called or emailed the teams?

[rams80]

OK maybe I was wrong about that. But who are these teams? How do we still know that he actually called or emailed the teams?

No, and given that his credibility's shot to begin with, he probably made 0 phone calls.

[SportsGIG]

You have to be Joe or a relative. Why not call yourself, because you dont want to hear the answer? heres the teams I called, Strong Island, Maryland,
Rochester, Quebec, Buffalo, Vermont. I guess your upset Joe that no one said your name. Joe you can put what ever you want on the web site, but looks like your not the CEO. Keep sending the teams e-mails that you are, the more you send the more everyone will know your not.

[preeths]

Rams80, how is his credibility shot? Heavesrock, why is anyone even questioning the results of his phone poll? He talked to Maryland and got five other "I don't knows." Sportsgig is hardly trying to spin either side, and his original post is innocuous. In fact, his results are very similar to email exchanges I've had with several other team operators. If anyone wants to call the teams and gets different results, feel free to let us know what you hear. Until then, you may want to lay off questioning anyone's credibility.

[heavesrock]

His credibility is shot because he has 20 different user names and went around saying that the league would be down to 20 teams by January whenever and said a ton of other things would happen by certain dates and none of them happened but one.


Why is anyone questioning the results of his call? Because every time because that he made these great predicitions and 90% of the time they didn't happen. Plus, if someone can question whether whatever team has folded in the ABA and diss ABA06er because he supported the ABA, why can't anyone criticise those who are against the ABA and Newman? Why does ABA06er get a bad rap from you and this guy does the same thing only for the other side and nothing happens? All I have to do is ask what teams he called and you tell me to shut the **** up and he can call Rams80 Joe Newman and all sorts of **** and nothing happens.

[The Magician]

Take a breath my friend ...

preeths is not making this discussion a 'personal' issue with you, based on the perceptions, views and comments relating to this thread ... and other previous discussions.

What we all want are some truths about the current situation regarding the ABA and Joe Newman ... and everything is a big, huge ? mark right now.

preeths has the vast and difficult task of monitoring these discussions, while mainting some civility and rationality. Unfortunately, the situation at hand is out of control and all the various 'personalities' have surfaced; who are determined to assert themselves wherever they feel compelled to offer their statements, opinions and advice.

The fact of the matter is, that there are some individuals on the ABA msg board right now, who are reducing these discussions to unintelligible rants and illregarded prejudices; without a morsel of discretion or respectfullness.

I, myself, have been bold and brash on occasion. I May have said a thing or two that was deemed inappropriate or unwarranted.

But more often than not, I have tried to address the issues, by supplying credible and verifiable facts to stimulate discussion, in attempt to determine possible answers and solutions to the ?'s at hand.

There are those on this board who may favor Joe Newman's position as the CEO of the ABA ... although, I suspect, that there are even more who will declare, that Joe Newman has "fallen out of favor" ... either on an individual basis ... due to a previous business relationship with, or personal encounter with Mr. Newman ... or ... by looking at the big picture of things ... the business, the integrity, and the history surrounding the Sport of Basketball. The ABA is apart of this history that we all take share of.

A good # of the OSC posters who have been actively participating in these discussions are individuals who have been directly or indirectly involved with basketball at all levels of the game. They are well respected in basketball circles; both personally and professionally. They have given a great deal of time and dedication toward the sport. But more importantly, they hold a great "passion" for the game. In addition, these same OSC posters; who have been extremely loyal and notable people; have had their intelligence, expertise and body of knowledge discounted and discredited during the period of rebirth of this NEW American Basketball Association.

For those maligned posters who have injected their reckless sensibilties to these discussions ... The concept of rightfullness and plausibility means nothing to them ... and thus their opinions and views have been vehemently unwelcomed, nor have they been considered; individually or collectively; to be "credible" contributors.

Let's move forward with the discussion of the ABA in a manner that will well serve it's purpose.

Thank goodness we have 'Chuck the Writer' to ease our tensions with Utica Wreckers to join ABA in mid-season!

[preeths]

heavesrock, why are you trying to turn this into a personal issue? Didn't he name the teams he talked to? What difference does it make anyway? Essentially this was an admittedly informal, unscientific poll in which one of six respondents, as freely stated by Sportsgig, was biased, and the other five replied, "Don't know." No victory for either side or predictions involved. And you stake your flag here to support the current ABA leadership?! Why? The poll supported neither side and pointed instead to the confusion we see within the ABA ranks right now. I see it, too.

You're welcome to your opinion, and so is To...I mean, ABA06er, just expect to make sense when you give it. No one "disses" ABA06er because he supports the ABA, they "diss" him because he does so in an over-the-top manner that often ignores documented facts and the public record.

[teqkng]

Awww come on Preeths, ABA06er and Rams80 are the Rosencrantz and Gildernstern characters of the ABA I think it is a perfect analogy... the turncoat friends of a tormented "Protagonist" and classically portrayed as only marginally intelligent.

2 guilders (a tribute to the bard)

[rams80]

You have to be Joe or a relative. Why not call yourself, because you dont want to hear the answer? heres the teams I called, Strong Island, Maryland,
Rochester, Quebec, Buffalo, Vermont. I guess your upset Joe that no one said your name. Joe you can put what ever you want on the web site, but looks like your not the CEO. Keep sending the teams e-mails that you are, the more you send the more everyone will know your not.

So let me get this straight....because I question your credibility because of your sockpuppetry and wrong assumptions, I HAVE to be Joe Newman?! WTF?! I guess you're gonna say I "want the terrorists to win" next. For the last time, I have no involvement with this "league".

If the info was on the up and up you'd post under your original screen name. Since one of your designated sockpuppets posted this, the information IMO is less than credible.

Paul-seriously, I know you don't like to ban people, but the sockpuppets have been annoying for some time.

[rams80]

Awww come on Preeths, ABA06er and Rams80 are the Rosencrantz and Gildernstern characters of the ABA I think it is a perfect analogy... the turncoat friends of a tormented "Protagonist" and classically portrayed as only marginally intelligent.

2 guilders (a tribute to the bard)

GEEZ....Come on, besides questioning a sockpuppet's posting, anyone who actually reads what I write would know I come down on the anti-Joe side of things. You want to know my real opinion on the league (and its been that way for a while)? Burn it down, divy up the stable ones among the other leagues, and let the ABA 2000 remain part of basketball infamy.

[teqkng]

If you have ever studied "the BARD" you just validated my statement and many of the other well spoken posters are giggling at your expense. Quit while you are ahead. I was venting an opinion and have no ill will towards you. in any case you dont believe everything you read on the boards do you???

Two Schprekles...

[preeths]

I'm amazed that this thread has grown legs. The original post is innocuous, completely harmless. For the record, I have very good reason to believe that Rams80 is NOT Joe Newman. Let's get back to the topic at hand, the ABA, and stop throwing barbs at each other.

[heavesrock]

I emailed Alex Wolff and asked him. This is what I got:


Joe Newman is the CEO. Tom Doyle is the President. John Salley is the
Commissioner.
Or so that was the case about a month ago. What's happened since
then is being sorted out.
We at the Frost Heaves are just keeping our heads down and playing
our games.
Alex

[TEN]

It sounds like Alex Woolf is saying "I don't know!"

[preeths]

Yeah, that's how a reasonable person would interpret it, TEN.

[Chuck the Writer]

Maybe somebody should ask these teams when they're going to play the Utica Wreckers - and see if any of them actually believe it's a real franchise. With the ABA, you never know...

[The Sweeper]

That's a great suggestion. Only thing is, if a team is gullable enough to believe they actually exist, who do you suggest that they contact? Surely you can't suggest Joe himself.

[AConcernedCitizen]

The good news is that I can't imagine more than a handful of the fans of any of the teams that have fans know about this, or really care. They care about their team playing well and hopefully winning. This will take months to untangle. I am sure the majority of owners are concerned about the play-offs happening and a schedule for next season being distributed as quickly as possible after this season is over.

[sportsguy12]

Maybe somebody should ask these teams when they're going to play the Utica Wreckers - and see if any of them actually believe it's a real franchise. With the ABA, you never know...

while the Utica thing was entertaining, and extremely creative, maybe it's time just ignore the ABA altogether.

[Pounder]

Aw, c'mon Rams, play along! No fun!

;)

You know, NOW it's time for me to become a Joe Newman supporter. After all, if he's gone, we're going to lose a chance to inform one of these clubs that they've just been rescheduled for a date in Utica. The opportunity to take it either to the next realm of fiction or completely out of it is too humorous to let reality and/or any legal misgivings get in the way.