Buffalo Silverbacks....

[ABA06er]

This thread is dedicated to the right way and the wrong way to run a ABA organazation.....

Take two teams in the same general area - Rochester RazorSharks & Buffalo Silverbacks....

Rochester Averages close to 4,000 per game with a high attendence of nearly 8,000 when they gave away discounted seats to the teams cable TV debut.

Buffalo is just down the thruway from Rochester and is double the size if not more of Rochester ....... and they average between 300 and 400 people per game and to thier home opener they gave away YES GAVE AWAY tickets for FREE and they could only draw 1,300 into a arena that seats 3,500 ......

Which brings us to the question ??? How can you expect to be a legit organazation when you cant even GIVE a sell out away in one of the largest citys in AMERICA........

As far as the coaching and practices I dont have the information to comment directly on that but on paper they have one of the most talented teams in the ABA but on the court they have a 500. team....... could it be due to the fact that the players find it hard to get up for a game when there is a few hundred people at best in the stands in Buffalo, NY ????

I was at a high school game last friday with 800 people ....... If the Buffalo Silverbacks cant find the time to take notes from their Nieghbors the Rochester Razorsharks who average close to 4,000 people ..... maybe they can take notes from some local Buffalo High Schools who out draw them every game.....

Kueth Duany if you can hear this/see this ....... I think your plane landed just a few miles in the wrong direction, take a bus to Rochester and play infront of fans who will support you..... a team that actually has fans !

[The Magician]

This thread is dedicated to the right way and the wrong way to run a ABA organazation.....

Take two teams in the same general area - Rochester RazorSharks & Buffalo Silverbacks....

Please Do Not Respond To This Thread - Thank You!

[Jamie]

Why? Because you work for the Silverbacks?

[The Magician]

Why? Because you work for the Silverbacks?

I do not work for the Silverbacks.

Comments made by ABA06er are not appropriate for a proper discussion, as it relates to the Buffalo and Rochester franchises.

He can go to another message board if he feels inclined to do so.

[Jamie]

uuuuhhhhh..... right... and when did Paul make you a moderator?

[The Magician]

uuuuhhhhh..... right... and when did Paul make you a moderator?

And my statement remains unchanged ...

[heavesrock]

Buffalo draws 300-400 per game. Average for the ABA. Rochester is a minor league market. Buffalo is a major league market. There you go. BTW, that goaltending call was not cheap. IT was a good call.

[tbayz1]

This thread is dedicated to the right way and the wrong way to run a ABA organazation.....

Take two teams in the same general area - Rochester RazorSharks & Buffalo Silverbacks....

Rochester Averages close to 4,000 per game with a high attendence of nearly 8,000 when they gave away discounted seats to the teams cable TV debut.

Buffalo is just down the thruway from Rochester and is double the size if not more of Rochester ....... and they average between 300 and 400 people per game and to thier home opener they gave away YES GAVE AWAY tickets for FREE and they could only draw 1,300 into a arena that seats 3,500 ......

Which brings us to the question ??? How can you expect to be a legit organazation when you cant even GIVE a sell out away in one of the largest citys in AMERICA........

As far as the coaching and practices I dont have the information to comment directly on that but on paper they have one of the most talented teams in the ABA but on the court they have a 500. team....... could it be due to the fact that the players find it hard to get up for a game when there is a few hundred people at best in the stands in Buffalo, NY ????

I was at a high school game last friday with 800 people ....... If the Buffalo Silverbacks cant find the time to take notes from their Nieghbors the Rochester Razorsharks who average close to 4,000 people ..... maybe they can take notes from some local Buffalo High Schools who out draw them every game.....

Kueth Duany if you can hear this/see this ....... I think your plane landed just a few miles in the wrong direction, take a bus to Rochester and play infront of fans who will support you..... a team that actually has fans !

okay once again im the guy from buffalo and wil admit yes rochester is better organization and yes they have more fans, let me jus clear some things up, first off if the old owner of the 'backs formely known as the rapids didnt screw things up we'd get 3000+ a game like we did for the first couple games last year, but no this guy blew all his money, got replaced, and got kicked out of a nice arena that seated over 3000, but home opener was a mess, ppl didnt not get into the game until the 3 qtr, and then they moved, 800+ season ticket holders lost money and the rest of the fans were driven away, if it wasnt for the fiasco last year Buffalo would have good attendence and more fans, also u think Buffalo is a huge city, well most of the population in this area "western ny" do not live in the city itself, in fact more people live ut of the city than in it, Buffalo the city is poor, has a terrible county and a mess, also take notes from a high school game well its not hard to get kids to come when they know players and know every time their team plays, and they show up cos its a social event, and how many times do i have to say it but yea were 10-10 but lost the first 4 games and that was w/o Lamar Castile, Kueth, Keith Closs, Kenny "Bad Santa" Brunner, four good players and if u didnt know, Castile last year was an all-aba first team, and was the best player on his team that played rochester in the aba 'ship last year and as soon as we got 'em we've turned the season around, and if 2 games didnt get cancelled in the last 2 weeks we wouldve had 2 more win and now another game is cancelled in feb which is taking away another most likely win, but im tellin u watch out for Buffalo cos if they win their next 4 games against Quebec(who we killed the first and only time we played them) Montreal, Detroit(who we are currently 2-3 against them but 2 losses were in our first 4 games again w/o the previous players listed) and then we play vermont who has beat us twice(once in the first 4 games of the season again w/o the players prev. listed and another time on a last second VERY questionable goaltending call)

id also like to point out since rochester came up were 1-3 against them and the one time we beat them was with Kueth and the 3 others were w/o Kueth, Keith Closs, and Kenny "Bad Santa" Brunner so now that we have some new players and a healthy Kueth id like to see Buffalo vs. Rochester and i think that this game would be an amazing one to check out ,and i think Buffalo might come up with a " w" cos when we beat them with Kueth playing it was a whole different ball game than when we played them w/o Kueth!

[rams80]

And my statement remains unchanged ...

You ain't the mod, cop, or admin of this board jack.

And your quest for complete civility in the face of a sockpuppeting troll will be unfullfilled. Quite frankly, we are sick and tired of the continued follies of the ABA and several of the posters who purportedly support the league while filling an agenda of tearing certain franchises down. We are going to respond the way that we are.

[tbayz1]

oo id like to say if u think Buffalo is a bad organization ur wrong, we've played at the same arena all year and not a lil middle school like so
me teams, we've played all our games possible, except for cancellations due to teams folding, the players are getting a place to live at in their contract, their arena they play at hasn't threatened them so obviously they are payin the bills, the one thing they are lacking is more fans once again ill say it, its hard to get attention when u have sabres(nhl) bandwagoners which is the whole area and a lacrosse team(nll) that draws 10-15 thousand a game all and also an nfl team during the begining of the season at the same time when the 'backs play, but if they start winning it will hopefully be like last year, they went from playin at a middle school with 250 fans each game to earning a playoff game and drawing 1500 ppl at the current place they play now will hardly any adverstisment and after so many fans forgot about them and then they earned a second playoff home game packing another college arena to its max of 800 ppl so if all goes well they start winning and earn a home playoff game again the news will talk bout em and then people will show up to the games, like what they see and return next season! trust me there are alot of other teams in this league that have more probs than buffalo not jus fan support

[tbayz1]

Buffalo draws 300-400 per game. Average for the ABA. Rochester is a minor league market. Buffalo is a major league market. There you go. BTW, that goaltending call was not cheap. IT was a good call.

i hear ya it was questionable but ill admit the vid on google that i saw wasnt the best but still if we can compete to the "best team in the aba" and lost on a questionable call we're a prty decent team!

[tbayz1]

i hear ya it was questionable but ill admit the vid on google that i saw wasnt the best but still if we can compete to the "best team in the aba" and lost on a questionable call we're a prty decent team!

also like to say thx for seeing it my way cos ABA06ER doesnt know what hes talking about, he thinks b-lo is bad what about Chicago, Brooklyn, Richmond, Tampa Bay hmm those are all big cities and chicago and tampa folded and richmond with iverson's mom as owner is reached rock bottom and brooklyn with elton brand's help mite help that franchise a lil

and ABA06ER im still wondering which game it was that u went to and their was 90 people, cmon if there was 90 ppl u should remember, cmon big shot what game was it?

im not trying to be a jackass or a jerk but what u assume and say about Buffalo are false statments and false assumptions, because obviously u dont know jack about the city of Buffalo and western NY and the the silverbacks organization itself, so if u wana talk bout bad organizations theres plenty and buffalo is not one of them

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Buffalo is just down the thruway from Rochester and is double the size if not more of Rochester ....... and they average between 300 and 400 people per game

which puts them in the top 10 or higher in 44, 43 (has any team dropped since I began typing this sentence?) teams in the ABA


and to thier home opener they gave away YES GAVE AWAY tickets for FREE and they could only draw 1,300 into a arena that seats 3,500 ......

1300 is a SEASON'S worth of attendance for many ABA teams; how many teams have had a one game attendance higher than that? Rochester, Vermont, ?????

Which brings us to the question ??? How can you expect to be a legit organazation when you cant even GIVE a sell out away in one of the largest citys in AMERICA........

Legit organization (or, in your words, organazation) and the ABA are two phrases that should not appear together. Jst inthe past couple days the league has proven that there is no level to which it will not sink.

but on the court they have a 500. team....... could it be due to the fact that the players find it hard to get up for a game when there is a few hundred people at best in the stands in Buffalo, NY ????
as opposed to those many teams that play in front of a few dozen and far less around the country??

Maybe they are just following the examples and intructions they receive from the league office - from a man who made his 'career' in PR by, among other things, pushing fried chicken.

Rochester as an organization is far better because they have the experienc of the other minor league teams in the town to draw from, and the fan expectation matches the zeal for minor league sports. It may be a nice town, but athletically, it is a minor-league town. Buffalo has two major league teams - a passionate love of the Bills, and currently one of the top teams in all of the NHL. The ABA burned a lot of bridges last year (and the reprehensibly poor taste of the "Santa Claus" releases from the kitchen cabinet didn't help). Buffalo has their attention elsewhere; until the Silverbacks play a full year and re-build the trust that the Rapids flushed away last season, there is no reason for fans to spend their hard-earned money on a speculative sport like the ABA.

Of course, with all that, the franchise is still in the league's upper echelon; by why take note of that, right? In reality, the distance as an organization between Buffalo and Rochester is far closer than the separation between Buffalo and Sauk Valley, Brooklyn, Richmond (still around?), Hollywood, Knoxville (still around??), Strong Island, Big Valley, Maywood, King County, Mississippi, Houston (is their 'hiatus' over?), Twin Cities, Cape Cod, Newark, St. Louis, Waco, Montreal, Palm Beach, etc...

[tbayz1]

which puts them in the top 10 or higher in 44, 43 (has any team dropped since I began typing this sentence?) teams in the ABA



1300 is a SEASON'S worth of attendance for many ABA teams; how many teams have had a one game attendance higher than that? Rochester, Vermont, ?????



Legit organization (or, in your words, organazation) and the ABA are two phrases that should not appear together. Jst inthe past couple days the league has proven that there is no level to which it will not sink.


as opposed to those many teams that play in front of a few dozen and far less around the country??

Maybe they are just following the examples and intructions they receive from the league office - from a man who made his 'career' in PR by, among other things, pushing fried chicken.

Rochester as an organization is far better because they have the experienc of the other minor league teams in the town to draw from, and the fan expectation matches the zeal for minor league sports. It may be a nice town, but athletically, it is a minor-league town. Buffalo has two major league teams - a passionate love of the Bills, and currently one of the top teams in all of the NHL. The ABA burned a lot of bridges last year (and the reprehensibly poor taste of the "Santa Claus" releases from the kitchen cabinet didn't help). Buffalo has their attention elsewhere; until the Silverbacks play a full year and re-build the trust that the Rapids flushed away last season, there is no reason for fans to spend their hard-earned money on a speculative sport like the ABA.

Of course, with all that, the franchise is still in the league's upper echelon; by why take note of that, right? In reality, the distance as an organization between Buffalo and Rochester is far closer than the separation between Buffalo and Sauk Valley, Brooklyn, Richmond (still around?), Hollywood, Knoxville (still around??), Strong Island, Big Valley, Maywood, King County, Mississippi, Houston (is their 'hiatus' over?), Twin Cities, Cape Cod, Newark, St. Louis, Waco, Montreal, Palm Beach, etc...


thanks man, i rele appreciate ur another that sees it the way i do , thanks for the support :)

[b-ball31]

This thread is dedicated to the right way and the wrong way to run a ABA organazation.....

Take two teams in the same general area - Rochester RazorSharks & Buffalo Silverbacks....

Rochester Averages close to 4,000 per game with a high attendence of nearly 8,000 when they gave away discounted seats to the teams cable TV debut.

Buffalo is just down the thruway from Rochester and is double the size if not more of Rochester ....... and they average between 300 and 400 people per game and to thier home opener they gave away YES GAVE AWAY tickets for FREE and they could only draw 1,300 into a arena that seats 3,500 ......

Which brings us to the question ??? How can you expect to be a legit organazation when you cant even GIVE a sell out away in one of the largest citys in AMERICA........

As far as the coaching and practices I dont have the information to comment directly on that but on paper they have one of the most talented teams in the ABA but on the court they have a 500. team....... could it be due to the fact that the players find it hard to get up for a game when there is a few hundred people at best in the stands in Buffalo, NY ????

I was at a high school game last friday with 800 people ....... If the Buffalo Silverbacks cant find the time to take notes from their Nieghbors the Rochester Razorsharks who average close to 4,000 people ..... maybe they can take notes from some local Buffalo High Schools who out draw them every game.....

Kueth Duany if you can hear this/see this ....... I think your plane landed just a few miles in the wrong direction, take a bus to Rochester and play infront of fans who will support you..... a team that actually has fans !


Why do you keep saying that Buffalo is so much bigger than Rochester? Do you just make up facts all the time?

Buffalo is barely bigger than Rochester. Look it up, before you make statements!

Rochester city population is 220,000, Buffalo is 290,000.

Rochester Metro population is about 1.1 million. Buffalo Metro is 1.2 million.

This is not a big enough difference to matter when it comes to attendance.

[tbayz1]

Why do you keep saying that Buffalo is so much bigger than Rochester? Do you just make up facts all the time?

Buffalo is barely bigger than Rochester. Look it up, before you make statements!

Rochester city population is 220,000, Buffalo is 290,000.

Rochester Metro population is about 1.1 million. Buffalo Metro is 1.2 million.

This is not a big enough difference to matter when it comes to attendance.

haha good ponit, man rochester is catching up on us, like i knew it was close but not that close:eek: lol

[The Magician]

You ain't the mod, cop, or admin of this board jack.

It's amazing how the simplest of statements will flame the fire for discussion!

[Pounder]

Minor league teams RARELY work in big cities.

Baseball has exceptions. Hockey has one or two. This is old news.

The presence of "Crunchy" actually makes me look funny, therefore it stays. It's that simple.