Aba Website Now Has Stats !

[ABA06er]

Since going public the ABA is working hard to try to fix its wrongs.

From what I gather the ABA has had the means to start posting stats for the league leaders in the categories of Points, Rebounds and Assists for quite some time , the new webmaster that they hired was slow to add new things to the site.

The ABA has gone back to the old format on the site , which I liked much better as did alot of other people. And the ABA WEBSITE NOW HAS STATS !!!!!

They feature a link on the front page of www.abalive.com which brings you to a page featuring the League Leaders of the ABA in Points, Rebounds, Assists, Blocks and Steals. This will be updated once a week and the most popular category ( points scored ) will have the most players featured ( right now they have the leagues top 22 scorers )

The ABA has also put more stern system in place to pick and choose which ABA Expansion Franchise Requests will be Awarded and has risen the price of expansion from $20,000 all the way up to $50,000.

The ABA now has Stats and is cleaning up its image much to no surprise , as they have gone public .... in the end it was going public that saved the ABA, and I am happy for that.

The posters from this board have complained about the ABA and the Stats for a very long time , now that the ABA has Stats and is Cleaning up the league I dont expect anyone from this board to get behind the ABA and in fact they will work hard to come up with less odvious flaws that every league has and try to exploit them but thats ok because in the end it is the ABA who is cleaning them selves up and the posters of this message board who are starting to look like a circus.


ABA FAN .....SIGNING OFF

[The Magician]

ABA06er to the Wolves :eek:

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Many people are behind the ABA ...

But the fact of the matter is ...

The overall success and future of the ABA will only come about with the appointment of a NEW CEO !

The rest are just details ...

[ABA06er]

the ABA CEO is the one behind the change .... he is the one who has been under the heat , he is the one who pushed to get the stats on the site which they now have he was the one who raised the expansion franchise from $20,000 to $50,000 and increased the screening process of Requests , there for awile the ABA was announcing a team or two per week , they have been holding steady on expansion franchises at 20 for about a month now.

The CEO has had a bad rap , some his fault and some out of his control. However dont knock the positve changes in the league as they come just because you hold a personal vandetta against the ABA CEO.

[rams80]

Is it still a vendetta when everyone here rags on him?

[Pounder]

Not usually one to quote Muppets...

Do, or do not. There is no try.

I think that sums up the frustrations of most souls and my inability to care.

[The Magician]

the ABA CEO is the one behind the change .... he is the one who has been under the heat , he is the one who pushed to get the stats on the site which they now have he was the one who raised the expansion franchise from $20,000 to $50,000 and increased the screening process of Requests , there for awile the ABA was announcing a team or two per week , they have been holding steady on expansion franchises at 20 for about a month now.

The CEO has had a bad rap , some his fault and some out of his control. However dont knock the positve changes in the league as they come just because you hold a personal vandetta against the ABA CEO.

No vendetta here ABA06er ... And quite frankly, all those things could have been accomplished along time ago. Moreover, those things which you mentioned above, don't necessarily = a path toward success!

Everything gets left undone in the ABA?

When the fans see the positive changes in the ABA, We'll for sure let the league know!

Until then ... Go [B]sign off and help your favorite ABA team sell some tickets with your enthusiasm.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Before you hurt yourself patting yourself on the back...

It is something, at least - since the alternative has been nothing for years, but:

- weekly updates? Rec leagues can update their stats and standings more regularly than that.
- the "official" league schedule is a link to what is, essentially, a web-site for schedule-making behind the scenes (or as an intranet site), not as a public document. Nice that we can see Brad's internal comments and those games scheduled for a venue called TBA
- apparently, the month of December never happened, as there is no news from the league on ABAlive for that month, as well as all but January 31. SO, when is Christmas coming???
- there are literally hundreds of web hosting, design and maintenance companies. Professional leagues big and small use any number of them. Few, if any, switch formats at least two times DURING THE SEASON. So the ABA - following those same stringent criteria it uses to vet potential ownership groups - wasn't able to find one to meet the basic needs of a sports league - timely updates (including weekends); ability to house stats, scores, and schedules where they can easily be located by the average fan; etc.
- a link to an excel spreadsheet for standings (very YMCA-like, not really professional)
- likewise for player stats, and interesting that there are arbitrary cut-offs for those stats. What about the rest of the players?

And about those stats... Are there boxscores available? With the haphazard way games are handled, how reliable are these numbers? Also (and this was a discussion I had with Joe and the league staff when I was still in the league) - why is the ABA the ONLY league that is unable to differentiate between offensive and defensive rebounds? There is a difference between them, and it does reflect on a player's overall ability to perform. The original answer I received (from the stat guy that season) was that it is difficult to track them. Um, OK...

Well, if the team A shoots the ball, and a player on Team B gets the rebound, it is defensive. If a teammate of player A gets the rebound, it is offensive. Not too hard to track; I have 3rd graders do that in my recreation league at the stat table. They happen at opposite ends of the court all game long.

Going public hasn't saved the ABA yet; there are still issues with many teams - including a public flogging by Joe of the team owned by the league Commissioner (BTW - the league office info STILL isn't updated); the league coverage of the All-Star game was, as typical, non-existent; the post-season is probably still undecided as to format (if the Comets go 5-1, and finish 8-4 after the Wonders' 3-3 start, do they qualify????); still empty promises (when is the Gwizzlies' first game? The ABA concert? Starz In Motion tour?).

It's a start, but it's a band-aid. The league is still bleeding profusely.

You may go back to your back-slapping...

[The Magician]

I dig that post :cool:

[Chuck the Writer]

All right. For the benefit of the doubt, I took a look at the "stats" that 06er mentioned are finally on the ABA homepage.

For those of you who had trouble downloading these statistics, let me fill you in on what's going on. The "stats" are a single Excel page that lists the top players in various statistical categories - average points per game, average blocks per game, average rebounds per game and average assists per game

That's all that's there - the averages. We don't know what they're averaged against; we don't know what players have scored in terms of total points or boards, we don't know how many games a person has (legitimately) played, we don't know free throw percentage, we don't know 3-point percentage, we don't know 3-D percentage.

We also don't know which players have scored single-game highs in points or rebounds; we don't know if any players have earned triple-doubles; we don't know if a player's record is better at home or on the road. We don't have complete statistics for every team in the league. We don't even know if these numbers are accurate, because we can't compare them to any existing raw totals. For all we know, these numbers have no basis in fact. You're going to tell me that 22 ABA players average 20+ points a night, as opposed to four CBA players and one D-League player, yet I can go on the D-League and CBA websites and see how those five CBA / D-League players earned their averages. How do I know these stats aren't made up by Brad Hester or Unca Joe?

The other thought is that these stats are skewed by playing inferior competition. Cardell Butler averages 37 points a night for the San Diego Wildcats, according to these stats. Yet in the All-Star Game he only scored 7 points, and I cannot find any games or newspaper reports from Google News on any games Butler has played.

On the SD Wildcats site, I found some partial boxscores, including Butler scoring 41 against Tijuana in a November game. But there should be more corroborating evidence that games were played and that stats were kept.

I'm sorry but these ABA "stats" are almost laughable. And they're only going to get updated once a week? Hell, the D-League and the CBA can update their stats every night. And in comparison with these ABA statistics, I have created more detailed stats for my Eastern League historical abstracts, based on 60-year-old box scores alone, that are more detailed and more definitive than what the ABA purports to be "stats."

This stat page the ABA puts out is like a kid in school having to write a 100 word term paper on The Old Man and the Sea, and having the teacher wait for two months while the kid comes up with every excuse from "the dog ate my homework" to "my mother died again," and at the last minute, handing in a 100-word paper that reads, "This was a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very entertaining book."

And of course the argument about being able to put together stats earlier this year but were unable because of issues with the webmaster is a weak excuse. The webmaster didn't stop all those announcements about expansion teams from occurring. If Unca Joe can write a message about some new team coming in for 2007-08, he can certainly invest in a statistics program like DakStats or Statcrew or Joctrac. Nobody keeps stats in a spiral notebook any more, Unca Joe.

[The Magician]

I dig that post too :cool:

[Dunker1]

the ABA CEO is the one behind the change .... he is the one who has been under the heat , he is the one who pushed to get the stats on the site which they now have he was the one who raised the expansion franchise from $20,000 to $50,000 and increased the screening process of Requests , there for awile the ABA was announcing a team or two per week , they have been holding steady on expansion franchises at 20 for about a month now.

The CEO has had a bad rap , some his fault and some out of his control. However dont knock the positve changes in the league as they come just because you hold a personal vandetta against the ABA CEO.


Joe, have you had ABA CEO officially added to your name?
One has to wonder if Joe will be making his next "ABA CEO" license plate himself in prison if even half of the posts about him on this site are true.....

[Sam Hill]

the ABA CEO is the one behind the change .... he is the one who has been under the heat , he is the one who pushed to get the stats on the site which they now have he was the one who raised the expansion franchise from $20,000 to $50,000 and increased the screening process of Requests , there for awile the ABA was announcing a team or two per week , they have been holding steady on expansion franchises at 20 for about a month now.


Which is why Joe said he had 50,000 requests for teams?