Did Joe lie to us??

[WHAFAN]

I've looked and looked, but I can't seem to find any team stats, game box scores, attendence figures, updated standings or anything promised by Joe this year. Could it be that he sometimes doesn't tell the truth?? I can't take the disappointment in this finely honed, professionally run league. I'm gonna go outside and watch some 6th graders play street hockey. At least when they say they'll play on a specific evening, they actually do!!

[jamesaba]

I've looked and looked, but I can't seem to find any team stats, game box scores, attendence figures, updated standings or anything promised by Joe this year. Could it be that he sometimes doesn't tell the truth?? I can't take the disappointment in this finely honed, professionally run league. I'm gonna go outside and watch some 6th graders play street hockey. At least when they say they'll play on a specific evening, they actually do!!

no he didn't lie...they are working on them and according to my friend who is a gm, they are about to go up...but alot of the team's have been slow to turn in the stats.

i just wish the aba wouldn't announce things before they were done.

[jamesaba]

I've looked and looked, but I can't seem to find any team stats, game box scores, attendence figures, updated standings or anything promised by Joe this year. Could it be that he sometimes doesn't tell the truth?? I can't take the disappointment in this finely honed, professionally run league. I'm gonna go outside and watch some 6th graders play street hockey. At least when they say they'll play on a specific evening, they actually do!!

the standings on www.abalive.com are updated everyday so look a little closer!

[WHAFAN]

I looked at the ABA website very closely..........they have the Chicago Rockstars record at 6-5 but the team website has them at 7-7.......is this updated daily??

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

They aren't that updated. They still show Brooklyn, Baltimore (hey! they're in 3rd place!), etc. Why haven't they been removed?

And there hasn't been an Ask the CEO in over a month - is he REALLY that busy? And as was stated, no updated stats for players (it isn't the teams' fault alone. Every other professional league has them; why can't the ABA, if teams are using the league-mandated stat program?).

And I missed it when they added Tom Doyle and John Salley to the list of league officers - but good to know we can still contact the VP of Leasing...

It isn't that Joe lied - he just has a habit of not telling the truth, or bragging about empty promises that will never be fulfilled.

[ABA06er]

They update the standings every day , sometimes teams are a few days behind sending them in this is not the leagues fault and those few teams are updated within a few days. So being able to come up with only one team who has a actual record of 7-7 and is listed at 6-5 out of 45 teams does not make a good case for you. I would say the standings are right on point.

As far as the Blue North Conference which seems to be the class act of the league with Rochester and Vermont leading the way every team has the updates listed on the ABA site by 10am the next morning following a game with also deatailed reports of the games in written form on the teams individual websites, I would call this very good.

As in the case of the Chicago Rockstars there standings on the ABA site were only off by two games ? And you were able to get the up to date ones on the teams individual site ? SOOOO you were still able to access the up to date standing of the Chicago RockStars ? And this is the best example you have for us ???

Thanks. You made my case for me.


Ps. The ABA at around 45 Teams has played 95 % of all games Scheduled this season at the Half Way Point , I believe most predictions had them placed to be around 40 - 50 % at this time. With virtually every game being played and played on time in the ABA this season critics are having less and less to BITC* about and are the number one attack of the ABA of not playing games is being slienced and is left with us having complaints on the ABA like the one I just adressed which is really null in void because in his only example the actual standings were still available to him.


I am proud to be a fan of this years ABA , not many leagues could stand to have 45 teams and have things run as smoothly as the ABA season to thus point has gone so far. While its not 100% perfect a 95% games played rate is clearly on track.

Congrads ABA and a Happy New Year !

[ABA06er]

And to adress the comment by aba red white and blue about Baltimore and Brooklyn the reason they are not removed is because this year with two teams that were on the verge of folding for good ( Hammond Rollers & Toledo Ice ) They were purchased by other individuals to continue operations Hammond Rollers kept the same record they had before the ownership change and are still winning games , giving all the turmpil they have had I would consider them to be having a good season.

This is the reason the ABA does not strip down a teams record right away.

Now the ABA is playing at a 95% games played rate and has weeded out the 3 or 4 bad seeds of a 50 team leaque and you dont have games being not played to wine about anymore maybe you can focus your attention on the fact that teams like Rochester and Vermont are drawing large and steady crowds and Rochester has struck a TV deal with the Local Cable Company , the ABA has a former NBA head coach coaching the Hollywood Fame. Owners in the ABA include pro atheletes from the NFL and other sports including the mother of Allen Iverson , John "spider" Salley from the NBA who is also commisioner of the league and the list goes on.......

Bottom line the ABA is playing games on time and the season is a very sucessful one , which would explain why the only critics on this ABA Forum on oursportscentral are the same critics who have been here for awhile , its hard to find nre blood to harp on the league who cleaned up its act and is running much better.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Gee - you forgot to rip Pittsburgh and Pittsnogle in your cut and paste posting.

Baltimore and Brooklyn (and Mexicali, and who else??) are DONE. There is no need to keep them listed. Toledo and Hammond weren't 'purchased' by other individuals. They were awarded to another team owner and a former coach who were willing to pay some bills and allow the teams to be used as schedule placeholders. Joe 'graciously' waived the additional franchise fee for the new Hammond/Sauk Valley owner; I guess he had already completed his holiday shopping.

How is it that every other professional league can get current standings - as can many recreational youth leagues - but the ABA has teams that are 'a few days behind' in reporting scores? If a fan wants to find the most current standings in the CBA, USBL, NBDL or any other reputable minor league, they can look at the primary source for information - the league's website. However, in the ABA, surfers are required to hunt through different team websites to try to find the information (including those teams that are 'a few days behind' - how accurate are THEIR sites??) - and somehow you find this as a positive for the league? And we won't even discuss the painful absence of player statistics - still an insult to every player who steps on the court for an ABA team.

Teams have announced that they are taking a month or more off - in the middle of the season, no less - to 'regroup' or re-organize, or to reduce travel costs. This is a positive in what way, exactly? For those few fans who may have made the mistake of pre-paying for tickets? For those teams that truly give a crap about putting together a professional organization and now must scramble to find an opponent? For the players on those teams who are now not getting paid (if they even were before - most likely they saw little to no money) while the organization re-organizes itself?

As for the % of games played - less than 100% is unacceptable. And simple math - the more teams that drop, the more originally scheduled games that will never be played. Can you absolutley guarantee that there will be no other teams that drop out this season - nearly half-way through? We both know you can't, and that it will continue to occur. And this is also a positive? How, exactly?

So, Baltimore is out, Brooklyn is out, Toledo is a paper team, Sauk Valley according to published reports has no arena, Anderson has apparently dropped (where will Joe watch games now???), Knoxville is looking to move to the WBA, nobody has heard from the league's COO or Commissioner (again, find their listing in the ABA hierarchy - not in an advertiement), the Fame are not exactly pulling in those high-demand sell-out crowds, what exactly has Brady Anderson's highly-touted entertainment division contributed so far, attendance for most teams (probably 36 or more) can be counted on the fingers of a dozen fans, the league is ridiculed in the press (when it gets coverage) and by officials of other leagues (and no, I'm sure it's not out of jealousy), there is a high level of skepticism in Halifax - which will host an All-Star Game that will have virtually no fan base to draw from and a number of players that don't deserve a spot (only 1 player per team), and those teams eligible to send a player are based upon the nebulous top-secret and inane Power Rankings - which your fearless leader (since we know you aren't JN - he can spell) refuses to make public the criteria he and his son-in-law are using to pick the teams (Gallup last played on December 11, so they have missed at least three games, not counting tonight's game listed on their website against the Buzz - although the game is NOT listed on the Buzz website, so I hope Gallup isn't sitting around the gym waiting, 'cause the Buzz ain't comin', and that includes tomorrow's game too - but they are worthy of #11 in the rankings), the all-important and star-laden Red White and Blue concert that was 'postponed' at the last minute has yet to be re-scheduled, and the league has announced a reverse merger with a company that - in its public documents - acknowledges that it has no assets (can't wait, by the way, to see what the kitchen braintrust puts out as their public filing; it should be a classic).

Yep - congrads to the ABA! New year, same story...

[Chuck the Writer]

You want a new criticism about the ABA, 06er? Here's a big one.

I can go to the D-League website and say, "D-League website, who are the ten most proficient scorers in your league as of right now?"

And the mighty D-League website would say to me...


G PTS AVG
1 Kelenna Azubuike (Fort Worth Flyers) 12 314 26.2
2 Louis Williams (Fort Worth Flyers) 3 78 26.0
3 Andre Brown (Sioux Falls Skyforce) 8 192 24.0
4 Jawad Williams (Anaheim Arsenal) 15 308 20.5
5 Von Wafer (Colorado 14ers) 12 245 20.4
6 Dijon Thompson (Albuquerque Thunderbirds) 12 244 20.3
7 Devin Green (Los Angeles D-Fenders) 14 270 19.3
8 Denham Brown (Tulsa 66ers) 11 206 18.7
9 Vincent Grier (Sioux Falls Skyforce) 9 167 18.6
10 Andre Brown (Sioux Falls Skyforce) 8 148 18.5

Now I travel over to the mighty CBA website and I say, "CBA website, who are the top 10 players in your league right now?"

And the mighty CBA website says...


SCORING AVERAGE G PTS Avg
1. T.J. Thompson, Albany 14 357 25.5
2. Shaun Fountain, Indiana 15 335 22.3
3. Ray Cunningham, Minot 14 308 22.0
3. Desmond Ferguson, Minot 13 286 22.0
5. Jamario Moon, Albany 14 303 21.6
6. Robert Griffin, Utah 13 277 21.3
7. Janerio Spurlock, Pittsburgh 7 149 21.3
8. Odell Bradley, Butte 10 201 20.1
9. Kevin Pittsnogle, Pittsburgh 12 239 19.9
10. J.J. Sullinger, Indiana 12 238 19.8


Now if I go over to the ABA website... well, after I wade through all the usual blather from Unca Joe about how he came up with an idea to pay players bonuses for winning games (big deal, Vince McMahon did that in the XFL), and the usual chest-thumping for ABA Salute (also known as a way to keep his family on the payroll), guess what I don't find - yep, there's something very disheartening about what I found on the ABA site.

A complete bereft of player statistics - heck, there isn't even squat about player identification. There's a shot on the front page of some kid from the Arkansas Aeros - who is he? What is the context of the picture? Was his team winning or losing at the time? Don't know. Do you know who he is 06er?

The fact of the matter is that although some games are being played, we have absolutely no idea who's playing them. We know that TEAMS are playing them, but we don't know of any individual stars in this league other than those that the teams themselves promote.

And here's where I back up my point. You can look at the D-League Top 10 up there and you can recognize names, names that will be in the NBA some day. You can look at that CBA lineup and you know there's guys on that list who will be in the NBA soon.

But we don't know that about the ABA because we don't know any of the players out there!

So here's the challenge to you, 06er. It's right now 10:30 p.m. EST at the time I'm posting this message. By 10:30 p.m. EST tomorrow, January 4, 2007, I want you to be able to come up with the ten top scorers in the ABA - I want to see you post their names, the teams they play for, how many games each player has played, how many field goals and free throws they have achieved this season, their total points and their game average.

Right here on OSC by 10:30 p.m. January 4, 2007. Because I can pull those stats from the D-League and the CBA in the snap of my fingers. I'm giving you 24 hours to strap on your D-Bands, put your cards on the table, and either give us those stats or show us where they can be acquired from abalive.com - essentially, put up or shut up.

[ABA06er]

Chuck the Writer .........


The CBA and NBDL have a handful of teams in each of them and both are struggling so maybe you should quit bashing the ABA who is in the process of getting stats together for a 45 team league and worry more about why Rochester of the ABA continues to out draw the CBA attendence as well as many other teams ......

as I said before the CBA is nothing more then a 8 team traveling circus

[gonzo13]

.........a 45 team league....




Not to change the subject, but didn't they start the season with 50 teams?

[Fells]

Chuck the Writer .........


The CBA and NBDL have a handful of teams in each of them and both are struggling so maybe you should quit bashing the ABA who is in the process of getting stats together for a 45 team league and worry more about why Rochester of the ABA continues to out draw the CBA attendence as well as many other teams ......

as I said before the CBA is nothing more then a 8 team traveling circus

You call the CBA an "eight team traveling circus", but yet, this is a league whose website is updated, stats are readily available, and the standings are up to date. If Mr. Newmann wants to have a league in which he considers to be reputable, fans should be able to find out where their favorite players stands among the league leaders.

Quote, "maybe you should quit bashing the ABA who is in the process of getting stats together for a 45 team league and worry more about why Rochester of the ABA continues to out draw the CBA attendence as well as many other teams ......" Do you think Mr. Newmann should have had this up and running BEFORE the season started and not at the halfway point? Does any sort of logic prevail here?


I have requested stats from Mr. Newmann I believe six times to no avail. As persistant and stubborn as I am, I have given up because I know I am simply banging my head against the wall.

[Chuck the Writer]

The CBA and NBDL have a handful of teams in each of them and both are struggling so maybe you should quit bashing the ABA who is in the process of getting stats together for a 45 team league and worry more about why Rochester of the ABA continues to out draw the CBA attendence as well as many other teams ......

as I said before the CBA is nothing more then a 8 team traveling circus

You didn't answer the question. And you haven't provided the stats yet, whether you're an ABA fan or one of Joe Newman's offspring acting as a "plant" from Indianapolis to try to sway opinion on this message board. It's 8:00 am Eastern time. You have 14 1/2 hours left to provide that top ten list, crunchy.

In fact, do you want a comparison on what's going on between the CBA and the ABA? Look no further than in Anderson, Indiana. The Indiana Alley Cats' only schedule change has been to move their Sunday games up from 5:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. (to better accommodate HS basketball, which also uses the Wigwam for their games). Meanwhile, the Anderson Champions have postponed games or have had games postponed on them, and now there's talk that the team is on death's door. That's the Champions, mind you, not the Alley Cats who are fighting for a playoff spot in a real league, where playoff positioning is determined by what a team does on the court and not where Unca Joe throws the dart in his basement office.

So where are those stats, son? We're all waiting.

[WHAFAN]

Here is the #1 top scorer in the ABA:

Joe Newman........he scores 15,000 every time he ropes in another chump!!

[ABA-hater]

To ABA06er:

The fact that they are trying to cumulate stats after two months is ridiculous... and the fact the standings aren't updated immediately is ridiculous... I look here on OSC for most of the scores if I want them updated... What a load of crap this all is... Here in the Quad Cities, the television stations haven't shown up to a game since opening night, and the newspapers are anything but supportive... No one takes it seriously (nor should they) and that's why it will ultimately fail...

PS - how can you have stats when teams don't even record 3-D 3s and 3-D 4s...

[ABA06er]

It is not 10:50 AM EST now I am giving you until 10:50 AM EST Tommorow Morning to come up with more then one team in the CBA that averages more fans per game then the ABA's leading attendence team being the Rochester Razorsharks.

Since your league the CBA is so popular it shouldnt be hard to find two teams in this years CBA with a higher attendence then Rochester's ABA team right ?

Ok Crunchy your on the Clock lets see if first you can count as high as two and second if you can come up with two CBA teams to beat The ABA's highest attendence team ( Rochester Razorsharks )

Your on the clock..................

[ABA-hater]

There's an exception to every rule ABA06er... How would one find out the attendance numbers for Rochester anyway... oh, and you're avoiding the issue... find the top 10 scorersplease...

[panchess]

Based on the schedule posted on oursportscentral.com, a total of 67 ABA games have been postponed or cancelled as of today, not counting future games that will not be played because one or both of the teams went bankrupt. Based on the ABA standings, 297 games have been played.

That's 81.6%. Say 82% if a few games haven't made the ABA standings website yet.

[ABA06er]

I have no problem answering Chucky's question as soon as he find those two teams in the CBA with a higer attendence average then Rochester........

I am still waiting ................

ps. heres a hint Pittsburgh only draws 100 on a good day so count that as a tip not to look into them, thank me later


you are on the clock Chucky Cheese!

[ABA-hater]

ABA06er:

You answered a question with a question instead of being a man and admitting that the ABA is a pyramid scheme...

Attendance numbers don't mean squat... a league can operate without attendance numbers, but can't operate without stats...

[Chuck the Writer]

I have no problem answering Chucky's question as soon as he find those two teams in the CBA with a higer attendence average then Rochester........

I am still waiting ................

ps. heres a hint Pittsburgh only draws 100 on a good day so count that as a tip not to look into them, thank me later


you are on the clock Chucky Cheese!

Well, I guess you finally proved my point, 06er.

I could be a stickler on this and say that EVERY CBA FRANCHISE (including Pittsburgh) HAS A BETTER POSTED AVERAGE ATTENDANCE THAN THE RAZORSHARKS, because the ABA doesn't post any team attendance statistics, but we'll work with the premise.

Assuming, of course, that Rochester draws as well as you claim they do (although I suspect it's really 2,000 without a post-game concert skewing the attendance figures, then...)

Yakama averages 3,000 to 3,500 a night, and Albany's attendance has increased to 2,000 or better the last two games. That's two teams, crunchy. Two teams with average attendance at or better than the Sharks.

At the same time, the ABA statistics department can't even post an average attendance for a single team, so all your blather about how well the Razorsharks are doing is just that - blather. Besides, you're comparing one franchise out of (how many, 40, 45, 50) in the ABA against all eight teams in the CBA, which is an unfair comparison.

How about we compare the CBA teams' attendance against the attendance of the Strong Island Sound? Or the Big Valley Shockwave? Oh wait, we can't - because the ABA still hasn't put together any reasonable statistics package or printable document regarding same.

I answered your attempt at stalling for information. Rochester may be the best in the league, but it's like being the best painter on a planet of blind people. It's 11:45 am Eastern. You have less than twelve hours to produce documented statistics on the ABA's top ten scorers this season. Get cracking, crunchy.

[panchess]

I am guessing it's about 3,000, and Yakama will end the season with a higher average, if they don't have one now.

I thought Indy got 1,200 for one of their games. Even if the franchise eventually fails, they are playing their schedule home and road, and being competitive in the new CBA.

Pittsburgh isn't nearly as competitive.

Do the Alley Cats have a local owner? The local press coverage for them is the worst in the CBA, that is for sure.

[psbf]

o6er, I live here, in the Steel City, and you probably don't. I attend Xplosion games regularly. They have a good team, a lot better than their record shows, you know nothing about them. Their only down fall is turnovers late in the game, or they would have more wins.
I admire your stand on the ABA, but another stat missing is the attendence. Anytime I read about a game, the turnout is missing. Why is that?
I like the ABA, because the Xplosion began there. Maybe the ABA can't post stats because there are too many teams in it?
Don't bash Pgh attendence, until you experience a game. The product on the court is much better than the record. Take it from a season ticket holder.

[panchess]

The story on the RazorSharks 12/28 crowd says that their average attendance was 3,949.

They didn't post the attendance for the 12/31 game with Quebec, so I am guessing it's below 3,949.

I am sure they'll have 18 home games, but it will be interesting how many road games they end up with. My over/under is 13.

[ABA06er]

so Chucky cheese , your answer is ZERO TEAMS FROM THE CBA ARE BEATING ROCHESTER FROM THE ABA IN ATTENDENCE NOW THATS A SHOCKER !

Rochester close to 4,000 per game with close to 8,000 and 6,000 for games last week.

Yakama - 3,000 per game

Albany - You say 2,000 a game , I have actually had the horrible experience of going to an Albany game and I am sorry to dissapoint but the crowd was more like 600.

GUESS WHAT CHUCKY CHEESE YOU LOSE AGAIN !!!!!!!!!

[Chuck the Writer]

so Chucky cheese , your answer is ZERO TEAMS FROM THE CBA ARE BEATING ROCHESTER FROM THE ABA IN ATTENDENCE NOW THATS A SHOCKER !

Rochester close to 4,000 per game with close to 8,000 and 6,000 for games last week.

Yakama - 3,000 per game

Albany - You say 2,000 a game , I have actually had the horrible experience of going to an Albany game and I am sorry to dissapoint but the crowd was more like 600.

GUESS WHAT CHUCKY CHEESE YOU LOSE AGAIN !!!!!!!!!

First off, son, you still haven't answered my question - except to challenge me on attendance figures, picking the one team in the ABA that's actually drawing fans (as opposed to the 50+ other teams that aren't).

So where's the top ten scorers, buster? You've only got 6 1/2 hours left to find them.

You can't confirm the Rochester attendance figures, and you can't confirm any figures in the ABA because the league doesn't post them. I can confirm the CBA attendance figures because they're up on the CBA website. And the last time I looked, this wasn't the Rochester Razorsharks Basketball League, so how about them figures on the other teams in the league, there, crunchy?

In other words, you haven't answered my challenge - you've defaulted - and, son, I'm sorry to say, you've proven I was right all along.

What's that sound? Oh yeah, it's the sound of another ABA franchise biting the dust. Sounds like it's coming from the midwest... maybe near Indiana. Might be the Anderson Champions... or might be another team as well...

Enjoy your "leaque," crunchy.

[Chuck the Writer]

Albany - You say 2,000 a game , I have actually had the horrible experience of going to an Albany game and I am sorry to dissapoint but the crowd was more like 600.

If you REALLY went to a Patroons game, where did you sit? Where did you park? Who did the Pats play against?

You can't answer that either. If you were a flower, they'd call you a lilac. Because man, you lilac anything.

[BreakersFan]

so Chucky cheese , your answer is ZERO TEAMS FROM THE CBA ARE BEATING ROCHESTER FROM THE ABA IN ATTENDENCE NOW THATS A SHOCKER !

Rochester close to 4,000 per game with close to 8,000 and 6,000 for games last week.

Yakama - 3,000 per game

Albany - You say 2,000 a game , I have actually had the horrible experience of going to an Albany game and I am sorry to dissapoint but the crowd was more like 600.

GUESS WHAT CHUCKY CHEESE YOU LOSE AGAIN !!!!!!!!!

ABA06er has spent all day at his favorite hang out thinking up clever come-backs and nicknames.

[WHAFAN]

Being a fan of the ABA is like getting hired at a company that is going out of business any week. How excited can you get when your back to square one any day? Rochester, Vermont, Chicago, Bucktooth Nebraska, whats the difference? None of these lame ducks will survive to see next season. I'm stll trying to figure out where this league continues to find people to pay for teams. All they would have to do is look at the past, present and future and then run like hell. I am a big fan of the masking tape numbers stuck onto a plain white tank top though. Maybe after you foul out, you can remove a piece of tape, confuse the ref and get back into the game with a different number. There were more people attending my 10 year olds floor hockey game at a park district gym then I counted at the Rockstars game last Friday. With owners pulling a cool $250 a game, maybe I should buy a franchise. Light My Fart Iowa needs some fast paced, affordable family entertainment. No, wait......the corn will begin to grow in a few months, thats more fun than this lame garbage !!

[ABA06er]

wait whats that soun chucky cheese ???????

Its the quiet sound that the 40 people make at the alleycats and explosion's games in the CBA ..........

The CBA is nothing more then a 8 team traveling circus with a guy named pittsnoggle leading the way ........ how fitting

[preeths]

wait whats that soun chucky cheese ???????

Its the quiet sound that the 40 people make at the alleycats and explosion's games in the CBA ..........

The CBA is nothing more then a 8 team traveling circus with a guy named pittsnoggle leading the way ........ how fitting

If you're going to be childish, at least post something original. This wasn't funny the first time, and it isn't any better the second time.

[Fells]

If you're going to be childish, at least post something original. This wasn't funny the first time, and it isn't any better the second time.

Amen. ABA '06, this crap is getting old.

[Alumni96]

So is the ABA bashing by Quasi-media.

[Fells]

So is the ABA bashing by Quasi-media.

If you recall, I have also defended the ABA on many occasions. Yes, I bash on them, but it is all based on research I have done, and in speaking with both current and former owners in the league. (Oh yeah, and quite a few conversations with Mr. Newmann)

I still have to say that Alex Wolff is doing everything right. Attendance is good, the players behave themselves, they go out in the community, and Alex has done a very good job of marketing the team. I just wish that for the sake of the league, there were more owners like Alex and the Rochester owner.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

I'll second Fells' comments. I have said that I think that Rochester and Vermont are doing things the right way, and would be an asset to any basketball minor league.

The problem is, once you get past those two, there is a precipitous drop in credilbility, stability, and professionalism that is unrivaled in any other minor league (all sports). It is always Groundhog Day in the ABA, and for every positive step the league takes forward, it always winds up falling back down the elevator shaft, forced to start over again.

Yes, Rochester is successful, as is Vermont - but as much in SPITE of the ABA as as a result of anything the ABA has done to assist them. Affecting schedules, 'suspending' teams (once you 'suspend' the reality that these teams folded or left on their own), and putting out a public front of constant mis-management and a glaring lack of a professional appearance.

Yes, Rochester and Vermont a strong franchises; and in the ocean tide that is the ABA, other occasionally rise up to a successful level, if only for a short time. However, turning around a well-known prase - "A low tide drops all ships" - and the tide goes out a lot more than it comes in for the ABA.

And, Alumni96, the 'quasi-media' your post alludes to? You mean the local newspapers in many ABA cities (including Rochester's Dem-Chron)? You mean the multitude of minor league and basketball-centric sites on the web, that are designed to cover the league?

Just curious...

[Alumni96]

If you recall, I have also defended the ABA on many occasions. Yes, I bash on them, but it is all based on research I have done, and in speaking with both current and former owners in the league. (Oh yeah, and quite a few conversations with Mr. Newmann)

I still have to say that Alex Wolff is doing everything right. Attendance is good, the players behave themselves, they go out in the community, and Alex has done a very good job of marketing the team. I just wish that for the sake of the league, there were more owners like Alex and the Rochester owner.

It wasn't your post that generated my response. It was the sum total of almost every thread on this board. One group of you does nothing but criticize the ABA...legitimately most of the time. The other group defends the ABA. Its the same thread and post retreaded over and over again. Nothing new. Nothing insightful. Its like a bad professional wrestling storyline. The struggling CBA vs the floundering (for the most part) ABA...tonight on OSC...Be There....Ohhhhh Yeahhhh.....

There is nothing wrong with having a preference but if the only way you can pimp your favorite league is to denegrate the other than you have issues. Both leagues have issues. Some organizational (ABA), some geographical (CBA). How the CBA manages with only 2 teams east of lake Erie I don't know. Both leagues could learn some things from the other. That way they can team up and defeat the menace of the NBDL and the evil overlord Darth Stern. Next week..... Oh yeah....

PS. Give me the CBA Front office and the ABA style of play and I'd be in heaven.

[preeths]

From what I've seen, the vast majority of ABA criticism isn't coming from CBA fans. That's a misperception created by one poster here. Most of the criticism of the ABA is from minor league fans who don't like how that league operates, regardless of what the CBA is doing. Many have also been critical of the CBA, only defending it as being relatively better than the ABA, not out of any deep loyalty to the CBA.

[b@sk3tb@ll]

As usual every thread inevitably deteriorates to the same garbage. Steering away from the topic and turning this thread into continual posts that reiterate the same rheteric i've been reading on here for years. Why don't some of you guys just toss rotten eggs at passing cars? I don't know what's worse; the tallest midget or the fly on his behind that keeps coming back over and over again to say nothing new about the midget. Are half of the people on here bitter ex-owners? Players that never got a shot to play after college? High school coaches that never made it past 2A in their state? This, i'm sad to say is my last post. I can get the same bad story over and over again watching the 11 o'clock news. I may read to see if anyone feels the same way, but just a lot of bitter people that somehow find new ways to say the same thing over and over again. I'm just curious; if minor league basketball is really that horrible and there isn't anything to be proud of or support, than how insignificant is your life that all you can do is talk about it? It's not the NBA, but really guys, millions of fans support high school basketball, this is 20 steps beyond that... some of these players have either played in or are close to playing in the NBA. Others have legitimate opportunities for thousands of dollars a month overseas. For me to be able to watch some extremely talented players that were the stars of their universities for 5 bucks and brag about my home town team on here seemed like a simple enough thing. Unfortunately many of you move your mouth but nothing new comes out. Peace - b@sk3tb@ll

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

As usual every thread inevitably deteriorates to the same garbage. Steering away from the topic and turning this thread into continual posts that reiterate the same rheteric i've been reading on here for years. Why don't some of you guys just toss rotten eggs at passing cars? I don't know what's worse; the tallest midget or the fly on his behind that keeps coming back over and over again to say nothing new about the midget. Are half of the people on here bitter ex-owners? Players that never got a shot to play after college? High school coaches that never made it past 2A in their state? This, i'm sad to say is my last post. I can get the same bad story over and over again watching the 11 o'clock news. I may read to see if anyone feels the same way, but just a lot of bitter people that somehow find new ways to say the same thing over and over again. I'm just curious; if minor league basketball is really that horrible and there isn't anything to be proud of or support, than how insignificant is your life that all you can do is talk about it? It's not the NBA, but really guys, millions of fans support high school basketball, this is 20 steps beyond that... some of these players have either played in or are close to playing in the NBA. Others have legitimate opportunities for thousands of dollars a month overseas. For me to be able to watch some extremely talented players that were the stars of their universities for 5 bucks and brag about my home town team on here seemed like a simple enough thing. Unfortunately many of you move your mouth but nothing new comes out. Peace - b@sk3tb@ll

So,
You post the same comments in two different threads?

The knock is almost never about the players - it is the management of the league that is its inevitable downfall. Until there is a change at the top, the league as a whole will remain sideshow-caliber in its entertainment value.

[The Magician]

They update the standings every day , sometimes teams are a few days behind sending them in this is not the leagues fault and those few teams are updated within a few days ... I would say the standings are right on point.

I'd have to say ... that the statement made above is inaccurate and very off point ...

I personally have been watching the ABA game schedules/standings closely from game #1.

The standings are not updated every day ... and let's remember, there are seven days to a league schedule week.

When it comes to COMMUNICATIONS ... in this case ... score reporting and the updating of standings ... there is a dual responsibility by the league office and it's member teams to be very efficient in their organizational operations.

Basically, Brad Hester, VP Team Operations for ABA should know on a daily basis, all games scheduled, and ensure through COMMUNICATIONS with the ABA webmaster, that the schedule is 100% reflected correctly on the website.

The ABA should have a mandatory that requires all teams to report the game scores via telephone (The "ABA Scoreline") within 30 minutes after the game concludes.

1) Winning Team
2) Score
3) Losing Team
4) Score
5) @ Hosting Arena
6) Attendance

Now, an ABA league representative should be "on duty" to make sure that those scores and standings are updated as the scores come in.

Then, the next morning, if a game was scheduled to play and no score was reported ... Brad Hester should immediately be on the phone with the owner/gm/dir of ops of those teams getting scores. In turn, those scores and standings should be updated immediately to the website.

Honestly, the ABA scores/standings on the website should be 100% accurate by 4 a.m. EST every single day!

Same things go for STATS ... The STATS should be faxed and e-mailed to the league office within 2 hours of the conclusion of the game! And the ABA League office should be very dilligent in getting those STATS loaded to the individual team pages asap the following day.

And again, if no STAT sheet is received by the next morning, Brad Hester needs to be on the phone!

ABA06er ... If you are going to defend the ABA ... be careful ... you might be doing more harm than good.

[rams80]

wait whats that soun chucky cheese ???????

Its the quiet sound that the 40 people make at the alleycats and explosion's games in the CBA ..........

The CBA is nothing more then a 8 team traveling circus with a guy named pittsnoggle leading the way ........ how fitting

That still makes it better than the ABA's 40+ team roadshow.