Clock is ticking....11:55 for the ABA. 11:50 for CBA

[BasketballUSA]

What the posts here represent are opinions, and these posts have some slant to them becuase the author has some interest in a CBA team/League or ABA team /league, which is fine. My posts are based on information I gather from sources across the country. No bias toward ABA or CBA or NBDL.
So with that said....lets lay the cards on the table. ALL THAT FOLLOWS IS BASED ON INFORMATION from reputable sources, not opinion. ABA:There is money on the table to take over the league from a company and totally reorganize it, legal issues are still being addressed this week to finalize the deal. The league will more than likely will be down to 20 -24 teams in the next 30 days. the above is what Ive been hearing from many sources. CBA: Has financial problems at the get go, should have waited a year to start up.
More than likely will lose 2 teams in the next 30 days. One company cannot successfully keep 4 teams afloat. Again, this I have been told by many reputable sources. NOW MY OPINION>>> Next year the better ABA teams ( financially) and CBA teams ( Finanacially ) in to the NBDL. The only way this doesnt happen is if the new money comming into the ABA doesnt stabilize the league to the satisfaction of the good ABA owners. The CBA company that has 4 teams does not have deep enough pockets to keep 4 teams going.The new CBA cities are not supporting, when your the only pro team in town, you should have more than 1,000 fans, which is not the end all or be -all...its the sponsorships from companies that are the true barometer..and the CBA teams in the NW have few sponsors. Some of the ABA cities with small attendance seem to have better sponsorships from companies, and Albany will aways do well no matter what the crowd size becuase they own the arena.

[ABA06er]

You have been coming up with these bogus storys for over a month now and you keep saying its happening , sometimes you even give us finalized dates of when , then the dates come and pass ...........

you have no credibility in the forum any longer......

please pick a new topic.......

[rams80]

you have no credibility in the forum any longer......



Says the man who has a philosophy of "numbers trump stability"...

[BasketballUSA]

If you read the posts, I only write what I hear and I do not write what I hear untill I hear the same story from a few different sources. Now if you disagree with my opinions, that entirely your right do do so...this is an open forum.
So to restate what I hear,,,, the ABA is close to getting big money investors, my opinion is that they will go down to 20 -24 financially stable teams. I hear that the CBA is having financial troubles...my opinion is that they will lose 2 teams soon. My opinion is that the NBDL will pluck the better teams from both leagues. Simple enough? I think so.

[ABA06er]

you are the only one who hears these things , you dont site your sources..... your deadlines for when this is taking place always come and go

they have 17 expansion teams listed ..... the leaque speaks of nothign but expansion

the owner of the Riverhawks just purchased the right to the team formely known as the Hammond Rollers , but he did this because the leaque is shrinking ?

You are the ONLY one who hears these made up storys and not once has any thing ever been printed or published or even commented on to show that anything you say is true .....

If you want credibility start naming names.....otherwise I will say the easter bunny came to my house today and we had coffee and I will start making posts about these experiences and call them in " my opinion " and say they are so true "but I will be the only one who has any recolection of these incounters" Just as you are the only one with these "secret ABA meetings taking place"


Good Day..

[WHAFAN]

Where have you ever seen anything printed about the ABA? Except some hick town where there are no other teams......nothing is mentioned. Whoever supports the ABA must be a relative of Joe Newman. Chicago has not wasted an ounce of ink on the Rockstars, no one cares!!

[ABA06er]

John Salley is ABA commisoner , who is CBA commisioner ? Ray Finkle LOL

[Pounder]

they have 17 expansion teams listed ..... the leaque speaks of nothign but expansion

I wonder if you intentionally misspelled this, so that you can claim that you didn't say this later.

Thing is, when spelled correctly, that statement is almost true. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. By all appearances, Newman cares more about expansion than basketball. That's the problem.

That doesn't mean B-USA shouldn't be audited for comments... December 1 being such a landmark day and all. You're no different.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

John Salley is ABA commisoner
Prove it.

Show me on the ABA leaGue ("G" is capitalized for effect) website where Salley is listed as Commissioner (or for that matter, Tom Doyle in his position. The old website didn't list them, and the new one still doesn't, a month after the much ballyhooed release. It lacks other seemingly important data like stats, team info, and more, but why be picky.

If he truly is Commissioner, where is he during the first waves of team disappearances? Where is the public commentary about these teams to follow up on his promises when he was appointed ("I’m not gonna embarrass my name. If you’re not ready, I will take your team from you")?

Instead, we are left with the always entertaining Joe Newman cut and paste email that rips the integrity of any person who dare question or say a bad word about 'the man behind the curtain' - next up, Denise Pulphus.

who is CBA commisioner ? Ray Finkle LOL

I'll assume you think that the Q rating of the name of the commissioner is the only thing that matters.


Here is the CBA's directory:
http://www.cbahoopsonline.com/directory.php

Finally ABA06er/CTP:
If it will satisfy your ramblings, yes - the CBA is not strong this year. Neither is the NBDL, and lord knows the ABA as a WHOLE is always entertaining / rarely satisfying (at least for burned cities, fans, players, owners, etc.).

What is the correlation between them? If one is a buswreck, it has no relation to the others.

Let's use a Joe classic - McDonald's (the CBA), Wendy's (the NBDL) and Burger King (the ABA) all make hamburgers. If the hamburgers at Burger King suck, who cares how good the burgers are at the other two? Different places, different recipe, different menu, different people in charge.

If there are only 10 strong teams in the ABA - and you say a few were written off early anyway - then why the hell would any reputable businessman try to have more than those 10 play?

(I intentionally did not include the CEO's name above - "Joe Newman" and "reputable businessman" should NEVER appear in the same sentence.)

Forget about the CBA or any other league, if you can...

Will you admit that the ABA has serious (annual, yet to be eliminated) issues to address?

How do YOU think they should be fixed? What would YOUR plan be to make the ABA a legitimate league?

A lot of people here have observed or been a part of the ABA for a much longer time than you, myself included. The league has operated on the same business lop each year; the only thing that changes in the name of the teams/cities affected.

Forget the CBA - worry about the rest of the ABA.

[sportsguy12]

Prove it.

Show me on the ABA leaGue ("G" is capitalized for effect) website where Salley is listed as Commissioner (or for that matter, Tom Doyle in his position. The old website didn't list them, and the new one still doesn't, a month after the much ballyhooed release. It lacks other seemingly important data like stats, team info, and more, but why be picky.

If he truly is Commissioner, where is he during the first waves of team disappearances? Where is the public commentary about these teams to follow up on his promises when he was appointed ("I’m not gonna embarrass my name. If you’re not ready, I will take your team from you")?

Instead, we are left with the always entertaining Joe Newman cut and paste email that rips the integrity of any person who dare question or say a bad word about 'the man behind the curtain' - next up, Denise Pulphus.



I'll assume you think that the Q rating of the name of the commissioner is the only thing that matters.


Here is the CBA's directory:
http://www.cbahoopsonline.com/directory.php

Finally ABA06er/CTP:
If it will satisfy your ramblings, yes - the CBA is not strong this year. Neither is the NBDL, and lord knows the ABA as a WHOLE is always entertaining / rarely satisfying (at least for burned cities, fans, players, owners, etc.).

What is the correlation between them? If one is a buswreck, it has no relation to the others.

Let's use a Joe classic - McDonald's (the CBA), Wendy's (the NBDL) and Burger King (the ABA) all make hamburgers. If the hamburgers at Burger King suck, who cares how good the burgers are at the other two? Different places, different recipe, different menu, different people in charge.

If there are only 10 strong teams in the ABA - and you say a few were written off early anyway - then why the hell would any reputable businessman try to have more than those 10 play?

(I intentionally did not include the CEO's name above - "Joe Newman" and "reputable businessman" should NEVER appear in the same sentence.)

Forget about the CBA or any other league, if you can...

Will you admit that the ABA has serious (annual, yet to be eliminated) issues to address?

How do YOU think they should be fixed? What would YOUR plan be to make the ABA a legitimate league?

A lot of people here have observed or been a part of the ABA for a much longer time than you, myself included. The league has operated on the same business lop each year; the only thing that changes in the name of the teams/cities affected.

Forget the CBA - worry about the rest of the ABA.

now we have two ABA freaks mud-wrestling out. I wish Rochester and Buffalo would merge with the D-League, throw the rest in ocean. Let Denise Roll out of town and be done with it.

This is the kind of crap that Uncle Joe is spewing out now ...

"I finance the market reservation fees and we have over $400,000 in accounts receivable. No one has ever lost a team because of the market reservation. I'm willing to carry them for a lifetime."

Pulphus said she purchased the Hammond franchise for $15,000 and wound up having to pay for uniforms, the Web site, game officials and other services that the ABA was supposed to provide at no cost.

"I've lent her as much as she's paid for her market reservation," Newman said. "She hasn't paid for the Web site. She never paid for the uniforms, never paid for the shoes, never paid for the venue, never paid her players, never paid her coach. She hasn't paid anybody.

"But that's OK. If you're out of money, you're out of money. But (to say there were) broken promises? An alarming number of franchises ceasing operations without warning? Not only did I replace her ownership (on Thursday), the Hammond team was paid, put on a bus, and is on its way up to Minnesota."

Newman revealed that Tom McGinn, owner of the Quad City Riverhawks, now has the Rollers and plans to change the team's name and location after its two-game series with the Ripknees.

"It's really comical," Pulphus said. "He has not paid anything. I paid the officials. I have canceled checks showing that I paid the $15,000 (market reservation) and he cashed 'em.

"That's all I have to say. Joe's the one who's got to answer to God, not me."

And as far as John Salley being the ABA commissioner. Here is your proof:

http://new.abalive.com/index.php?id=13

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

now we have two ABA freaks mud-wrestling out.

I assume you are alluding to Joe and Denise, and not me and CTP/ABA06 (at least I hope you are...)

And as far as John Salley being the ABA commissioner. Here is your proof:

http://new.abalive.com/index.php?id=13

I know he is the commissoner, but this is essentially an ad to listen to ABA Talk.

Imagine only seeing David Stern on the NBA site asking you - as commissioner - to tune in to a show on NBATV.

Same basic premise.

[sportsguy12]

Prove it.

Show me on the ABA leaGue ("G" is capitalized for effect) website where Salley is listed as Commissioner (or for that matter, Tom Doyle in his position. The old website didn't list them, and the new one still doesn't, a month after the much ballyhooed release. It lacks other seemingly important data like stats, team info, and more, but why be picky.

If he truly is Commissioner, where is he during the first waves of team disappearances? Where is the public commentary about these teams to follow up on his promises when he was appointed ("I’m not gonna embarrass my name. If you’re not ready, I will take your team from you")?

I posted the link in reference to this statement ... "prove it."

I don't care what kind of commish the spider is, he is apparently the commish. That's all.

The ABA isn't worth the paper their releases are printed (well, wait ... I mean if they did print releases and did pay for office supplies like paper). Any way, posters waste too much defending them, etc. It's pure entertainment. And I don't mean paying for a ticket to watch a game.

[heavesrock]

I doubt the ABA will cut down to 24 teams in midseason for the following reasons:
1. Lawsuits from existing teams just randomly kicked out of the league.
2. Scheduling problems for existing teams to finish the season.
3. Complete loss of credibility from fans in areas(such as Vermont) who don't know the history of the ABA and just want to watch basketball. As far as I'm concerned, keep it that way.

I would like to point out that while having a lot of sponsors, a radio deal, and drawing 1,000 fans may work for Vermont in the ABA, but it won't work in the D-League. I think the Heaves would lose a lot of fans if the team moved to the D-League.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

I think you are missing my point. And your link only serves to further prove my point.

The commissioner of the league is listed only - ONLY - on a page on the website that advertises its weekly internet talk show. Nowhere else. The ABA management team:
Co-Founder/Chairman
Joe Newman

Co-Founder/Special Counsel
Richard P. Tinkham

VP/Director of Officials
Tom Chichester

VP/ABA Leasing
David Rose

VP/Internet Merchandising
Susan Packard

VP/Team Operations
Brad Hester

So, they don't list the Commissioner or the COO (or whatever Doyle's position is), but they list their VP of Leasing????? And keep in mind these are listed on a contact the ABA page, not exactly prominently displayed.

I know Salley is commissioner. I saw the press releases - even though the league itself failed to recognize him at all in an official release until weeks later. I was one of those who felt that the influx of new people might help the ABA progress past the disorganized mess it has been. How well has that worked so far??

Now, for your next assignment... find a reference to Tom Doyle on abalive.com in his league officer capacity, not including a press release.

:) :rolleyes:

[sportsguy12]

I doubt the ABA will cut down to 24 teams in midseason for the following reasons:
1. Lawsuits from existing teams just randomly kicked out of the league.
2. Scheduling problems for existing teams to finish the season.
3. Complete loss of credibility from fans in areas(such as Vermont) who don't know the history of the ABA and just want to watch basketball. As far as I'm concerned, keep it that way.

I would like to point out that while having a lot of sponsors, a radio deal, and drawing 1,000 fans may work for Vermont in the ABA, but it won't work in the D-League. I think the Heaves would lose a lot of fans if the team moved to the D-League.

Vermont isn't a good fit for the D-League. I'm not sure they are geographically a good fit for the USBL either. But ... the only other option is the CBA. Which could work.