Odessa Roughnecks

[TheBest]

How do these guys manage to get and find so much talent?

[Disco]

Simply put. The Roughnecks are a Championship caliber team. Coach Williams is good at finding talent. Besides the talent is looking for a good team and organization to play for.

[IRUNTDS]

The main reason is that the Roughnecks have established a reputation over the last three years. Also, the coach and his staff have great resources. And lastly it seems like they care about winning more. I know for a fact that their coaching staff only took about two weeks off after the season before they started working on the 2007 season. Some teams in the league are not even answering the phones much less recruiting.

[TheBest]

So I think its safe to say that they are the favorites for the ship this year?

[sportznut]

The will always be the favorite in that league, unless amarillo comes back.

Like he said, they work almost year round.. Not many of the teams can say that

[Ruffnexfan]

What is going on so far? Who is coaching and who is new etc... players?

[gator12]

has anyone heard if clint mcnutt will be back this year?

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

He wasn't too good at finding talent while here.

WTH is a team in Alaska doing in what essentially is a Texas league?!?!

[Sykotyk]

TVV, becuase no matter what, the Alaska team MUST fly to their games. Which city they fly into makes very little difference. Fly into Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, etc and bus out to the city they're play at is no different than how they'd manage any other road game in any other league.

Sykotyk

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Clearly, you've never flown as far as Alaska. Adding a team 4650 miles away wreaks of desperation.

[Permianman]

He wasn't too good at finding talent while here.

WTH is a team in Alaska doing in what essentially is a Texas league?!?!

Let's not start this again. You guys just didn't give the guy enough time to get that team together. But you have the coach you wanted now so you probably should start focusing on him and his signings now.

[tony-o]

Clearly you have never heard of the NAHL. That is a junior hockey league that has a division with mostly southwestern teams and two Alaska teams, the Alaska Avalanche and Fairbanks Ice Dogs. The Avalanche have been around for a few years now. This can work for the IFL if it can work for them.

[preeths]

Not really southwestern, but there are a pair of Alaska teams. Map:
http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/maps/smallmap.php?l_id=114

[exit322]

They're gonna have to find a new quarterback - Tommy Jones appears to be landing in Tupelo, Mississippi.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Clearly you have never heard of the NAHL. That is a junior hockey league that has a division with mostly southwestern teams and two Alaska teams, the Alaska Avalanche and Fairbanks Ice Dogs. The Avalanche have been around for a few years now. This can work for the IFL if it can work for them.How does that relate to the IFL???

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Let's not start this again. You guys just didn't give the guy enough time to get that team together. But you have the coach you wanted now so you probably should start focusing on him and his signings now.TO use the words to the self proclaimed "master of rebuilding", "it is what it is".

[Permianman]

TO use the words to the self proclaimed "master of rebuilding", "it is what it is".

And on that note for the sake of time I will let you win. Because after looking at your website and seeing that you guys are excited about the signing of QB Tony Colston, you should hurry back over to your own message board and post the question of why you are signing a guy who did not even start in the IFL. Chad Friehoff was the starter for that team in case you all did not know.

[phydeaux72]

They're gonna have to find a new quarterback - Tommy Jones appears to be landing in Tupelo, Mississippi.

Tommy Jones was never offered a new contract. He is great on the turf. Off the turf is a whole other story. It's a shame when a player is as good as he is, but is a total cancer to the team in the locker room. Odessa is better off as a team without him.

[phydeaux72]

He wasn't too good at finding talent while here.

WTH is a team in Alaska doing in what essentially is a Texas league?!?!

Still can't let go of the past, can you TVV? Geez, that was ... what? Almost a year ago? You really should get some therapy. This is really eating you up inside, isn't it?

Just let it go. :rolleyes:

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Well, Fido, if I could get a straight answer to my sincere question......

Why is an Anchorage team in the IFL?!?!?!? makes aboslutely no sense.

[preeths]

Because Alaska is underwriting some of the travel expenses and the IFL worked its schedule to make it easier on the team. The Wild desired to play in one of the leagues, originally af2, and this was the situation they found worked best for them.

[sportsguy12]

Well, Fido, if I could get a straight answer to my sincere question......

Why is an Anchorage team in the IFL?!?!?!? makes aboslutely no sense.

It's not worth trying to convince someone who doesn't understand the term, operating costs.

1) Operating costs in the IFL (without considering travel) are lower than af2. So hopefully the Wild can save some money and move to af2 next year.

2) Flights to the Northwest would be cheaper than going all the way to Texas or Louisiana.

3) If the Wild are going to stick, they'll play in IFL for a year and see how it goes. If this run works out, then I predict they'll jump to af2. Fans could care less about Tex and La teams. At least, Tri-Cities, Everett, Boise and the others are closer.

End of thread.

[Malepig]

To clarify a couple of things.

The wild wanted to play in the af2 but had no money and could not even come up with a letter of credit.

They were never a member of the af2.

Even if it works the Alaska franchise will NEVER be allowed in the af2 with the present ownership since they proved to be shady once.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Glad I didnt invest in this Alaska franchise. I dont wish them ill at all. But, chances of success seems slim. Who is going to want to go to Ak for a try-out?!??!

[phydeaux72]

To clarify a couple of things.

The wild wanted to play in the af2 but had no money and could not even come up with a letter of credit.

They were never a member of the af2.

Even if it works the Alaska franchise will NEVER be allowed in the af2 with the present ownership since they proved to be shady once.

Funny, you should mention that. The Wild didn't seem to have a problem coming up with a letter of credit, equal to what the af2 requires, in order to become part of the IFL. As far as "had no money", the only part that the Wild fell short on was the $2M liquid. They were $1M short. The hard assets were in place. That's why there were going to hold off a year, in order to raise the liquid assets. But, instead opted to join the IFL because it was less expensive, they wouldn't have to hold off a year, and the travel budget, regardless of what anyone thinks, is the same.

Geez, Malepig. You sure don't know much, for an "inside guy". You make yourself out to be more of quack everytime you open your mouth.

[preeths]

Don't know what happened with Alaska and af2, but operating costs should indeed be lower in the IFL. I doubt anyone will travel to Alaska for a tryout, unless they have relatives near Anchorage. The team will be made of home-grown talent. Before anyone starts knocking Alaskans, eight players from the state have been selected in the NFL draft, including Green Bay Packers starting OL Daryn Colledge, picked #47 overall last year.

[phydeaux72]

Glad I didnt invest in this Alaska franchise. I dont wish them ill at all. But, chances of success seems slim. Who is going to want to go to Ak for a try-out?!??!

I'm glad you didn't invest in the Alaska franchise either. Man, what a disaster that would have been for the Wild.

As far as tryouts, no one travels for tryouts anyway. 99% of the time, locals are the only ones who show up at minor league tryouts. And tryouts are mostly held for the purpose of boosting local interest in your team.

And I have to disagree with your comment on not wishing Alaska ill. Your sole purpose for posting on this forum is to wish ill will on Odessa and any team associated with them because you're still bitter over what happened in TVV while Chris Williams was there. Apparently there isn't enough going on in TVV for you to focus your attention on their board.

Just let it go man! :cool:

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Good lord, Fido, that was last year. Let bygones be. I maintain that it defies logies that Alaska would join a league the nucleus of which is 4650 miles away. As one who has done well in the financial markets (guess that shoots your opinion, Fido), it's clear that there is no rhyme or reason to this on the surface. There must be some underlying reason for this inclusion of Alaska. IS the difference in operating costs going to pay for and additional $150k in travel??

[rams80]

To clarify a couple of things.

The wild wanted to play in the af2 but had no money and could not even come up with a letter of credit.

They were never a member of the af2.

Even if it works the Alaska franchise will NEVER be allowed in the af2 with the present ownership since they proved to be shady once.

Which is why the league trademarked the logo for awhile...

(oops)

[preeths]

Good lord, Fido, that was last year. Let bygones be. I maintain that it defies logies that Alaska would join a league the nucleus of which is 4650 miles away. As one who has done well in the financial markets (guess that shoots your opinion, Fido), it's clear that there is no rhyme or reason to this on the surface. There must be some underlying reason for this inclusion of Alaska. IS the difference in operating costs going to pay for and additional $150k in travel??

And which indoor or arena league should Alaska have joined? UIF, because it's closer? af2, because some of its teams are closer? No matter what, if you're in Alaska, you're going to have to fly in and out. Then its not a matter of mileage but of flight costs. I'll break down the rhyme and reason for you:

1. The Alaska Wild wanted to play football this season
2. It is less expensive to operate a team in the IFL
3. The IFL and the Wild worked out travel arrangements

There you have it. That's the reason, though I'm sorry I couldn't make it rhyme for you. You can question whether or not this experiment will succeed, as some others have, but constantly repeating that it makes no sense is growing tiresome and adds nothing to the discussion. You can continue to search for your "underlying reason," and pop back in with your findings.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

well, Preeths, you can always censor me, as you've been known to do.

again, the reasons you give are insufficient to piss away hundreds of thousands. And it's not as though there's no correlation between mileage and flight costs.

[preeths]

I'm not sure why you're being intentionally antagonistic. I know you hate the Roughnecks, and that's apparently your only real interest in this forum.

Why don't you get on Expedia or another travel site and start pricing out tickets to Anchorage from such places as Billings, Omaha, Spokane, Boise and Dallas, and tell us which league makes the most sense for an Anchorage-based team. Once again, as long as Alaska has a team, it will have to fly. Which league makes the most sense?

Instead of antagonizing phydeaux, why don't you ask him what the travel deal for Alaska is, at least in general terms? Also once again, you can question the business plan, that's fine, but there doesn't need to be anything more behind the move.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Lose the 1st impressions Preeth. It's a new year and season. I don't hate anyone and could care less about the Roughnecks. But, Coach and his staff did their part to ruin an already compromised program here. That's in the past. Our team's future is bright indeed. I'm sincerely interested in as to why Alaska is in a Texas league.

I know about travel. I fly every week. It's twice as hard, and expensive, to fly twice as hard. Sure there are exceptions, but your reasoning still doesn't explain this. And jet fuel will be going up again.

And, as far as Fido goes, how about showing me where I've antagonized him in this thread. Looks to me as if it's been the other way around. I'm certain that as a monitor of integrity, you'll want to reprimand the offending party. Go back and read. And lighten up, Francis!!!

[preeths]

Apparently you can't take a hint or recognize the fact that Alaska will have to fly, regardless of league. You can, however, take a one-week vacation from the board. I hope you come back less antagonistic and more willing to discuss.

[Minor League Man]

I wonder why Odessa doesn't want to join af2?

[rams80]

I wonder why Odessa doesn't want to join af2?

Because an undeclared state of war exists between the af2 and the Hammerheads and Roughnecks ownership groups?

Because they would prefer to make a profit in the IFL as opposed to being (beep)ed in the rear by the af2's fees?

Because they are smart enough to know that Oddessa is not big enough to survive in the af2?

Because the arena isn't run by SMG? (conjecture)

Because the enjoy being the HUGEA$$ muthafrackin' whale in the IFL's pond as opposed to being a minnow in the af2's ocean?

I dunno, you decide.

Also, Paul, to answer your question about Alaska, it doesn't make sense for them to be in ANY league, but I've pounded that point into the ground.

[preeths]

They're comfortable where they are. They have a smaller market and shallower pockets, so the IFL is a nice fit for them.

[preeths]

Also, Paul, to answer your question about Alaska, it doesn't make sense for them to be in ANY league, but I've pounded that point into the ground.

That's at least a defendable position, even if some don't agree with it. My only point is that it doesn't make any less sense for them to be part of the IFL as any other league.

[Malepig]

Funny, you should mention that. The Wild didn't seem to have a problem coming up with a letter of credit, equal to what the af2 requires, in order to become part of the IFL. As far as "had no money", the only part that the Wild fell short on was the $2M liquid. They were $1M short. The hard assets were in place. That's why there were going to hold off a year, in order to raise the liquid assets. But, instead opted to join the IFL because it was less expensive, they wouldn't have to hold off a year, and the travel budget, regardless of what anyone thinks, is the same.

Geez, Malepig. You sure don't know much, for an "inside guy". You make yourself out to be more of quack everytime you open your mouth.

Hate to say but they lied to you. I'm sure you were told that but they did not have enough for the letter of credit. They is what hey wrote to the af2 and was not even voted on. BTW stop the insults phydeaux with the quack comment. I am speaking the truth on what happenned with the Wild and the af2, not what they told you.

[Malepig]

Which is why the league trademarked the logo for awhile...

(oops)

And they gave the logo back to Alaska when they showed they had no money. That is why the af2 is so great.

[preeths]

Malepig and Rams80, you're not going to convince each other, so let's give it a rest. One of you has access to first-hand information (is involved in a league) and one is getting his info second-hand. This thread was re-started by someone with an odd agenda, and all we're doing is feeding into it at this point. We've all said our peace, and no new information is being added.

[Malepig]

Rams80 and I are more on the same side Paul than what it may appear. I just don't care for that phyd guy attacking me with quack comments.

[preeths]

My mistake, I meant phydeaux. He's an owner in another league. The point remains the same. Neither of you are going to convince the other. af2's honor is not at stake here. The Wild appears to be doing what it can to prepare for the season. In the wake of no new information, we'll just have to see how it plays out.

[Malepig]

Well Paul if you wanted new information you will have it. This will show who lied to whom:

From: David Weatherholt <david@akprosports.com>
To: 'Jerry Kurz' <jkurz@arenafootball.com>
Sent: Thu Sep 21 12:35:03 2006
Subject: Alaska Franchise

Jerry,

It is not possible for Alaska Professional Sports, Inc. to achieve the
financial goals i.e. $200,000 LOC or the $10 million $2 million requirement
by the agreed deadline for the 2007 season. We are requesting that you
withdraw our application for the 2007 season. I appreciate your assistance
and support during this process and would also like to thank your staff for
an outstanding job.



Regards,

David W. Weatherholt

President

ALASKA PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, INC.

PO Box 110385 ?Anchorage, Alaska 99511-0385 USA

[preeths]

First, I assume Mr. Kurz approved you posting this message in a public forum? Please confirm, otherwise its a big breach of confidence on your part.

Second, it doesn't prove anything of the sort. Mr. Weatherholt mentions they can't achieve the goals by the deadline, not that they can't achieve them at all. Maybe they couldn't, but this email isn't proof of that contention. If I'm not mistaken, phydeaux had already told us they couldn't do the $10-$2 part, and that is one reason they backed away from af2. The email does confirm that it was the Wild, and not af2, which severed the relationship.

[Malepig]

Of course I had permission to post it. You know better than that Paul. It just shows what they were telling people is not the truth.

What this shows is:

1) They did not have the letter of credit

2) They did not have the hard assests as previously stated that phydeaux stated they had.

3) They were not part of the af2 and were not voted in.

All of these things have been said otherwise so here is proof that it is not true at all.

[preeths]

Here's what phydeaux wrote:
Funny, you should mention that. The Wild didn't seem to have a problem coming up with a letter of credit, equal to what the af2 requires, in order to become part of the IFL. As far as "had no money", the only part that the Wild fell short on was the $2M liquid. They were $1M short. The hard assets were in place. That's why there were going to hold off a year, in order to raise the liquid assets (http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=4244&page=3#). But, instead opted to join the IFL because it was less expensive, they wouldn't have to hold off a year, and the travel budget (http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=4244&page=3#), regardless of what anyone thinks, is the same.To address your points above:

1) The Wild did not have the letter of credit, or at least that's what they told af2, as of September 21, 2006. They announced they were joining the IFL on November 3. Enough time to make up for whatever shortfall they had? Maybe, maybe not, but that's something you and I do not know.

2) According to phydeaux's post as quoted above, he already said the Wild did not have the liquid assets to join af2: "They were $1M short." Weatherholt's email states they could not meet the "$10 million $2 million requirement." He lumped the two together. He does not address if he's short on the $10 million or the $2 million, only that he's short on at least one. Not proof either way, though it does raise a doubt.

3) This is correct, though I don't remember if anyone with the IFL has stated otherwise. The Wild prematurely announced their entrance into af2 in June, and as apparent from above, were still on af2's radar until late September when they dropped out.

Those are pretty high bars for ownership, and a prime reason af2 has never cancelled a game. Having said that, no indoor league, even those which played all games last year, has the bar set that high. Weatherholt could have missed af2's requirements by quite a bit and still be one of the richer owners in indoor football.

[Malepig]

Really Paul?

Refer to: http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=4012&page=2

11-03-2006, 04:01 PM
phydeaux72
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Odessa, TX
Posts: 342

"Malepig, I know you think you have the inside track on this. But you couldn't be more wrong. The Wild met the requirements of the af2 and they were in and approved."

We see the IFL saying Alaska was approved and met all financials. Now you have seen proof otherwise.

I'm about the truth coming out. The af2 is about the truth coming out. Now it has come out. Someone is Alaska or the IFL is flat out misrepresenting. There is no question and no defense.

[preeths]

Really Paul?

Refer to: http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=4012&page=2

11-03-2006, 04:01 PM
phydeaux72
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Odessa, TX
Posts: 342

"Malepig, I know you think you have the inside track on this. But you couldn't be more wrong. The Wild met the requirements of the af2 and they were in and approved."

We see the IFL saying Alaska was approved and met all financials. Now you have seen proof otherwise.

I'm about the truth coming out. The af2 is about the truth coming out. Now it has come out. Someone is Alaska or the IFL is flat out misrepresenting. There is no question and no defense.

Yeah, really, Sterling. Here's my exact quote from above:...though I don't remember if anyone with the IFL has stated otherwise...
Not sure I could have made it any clearer. I didn't remember. It appears that Brandon did state on this board that the Wild were in and approved by af2. This doesn't appear to be the case.

You know, Sterling, there are others who look for the truth as well, and habitually taking a combative stance to everyone who doesn't immediately agree with you does not help your case.

[Malepig]

This isn't about you and me Paul. Its about the IFL and/or the wild misrepresenting the truth. Nothing combative about the truth.

[preeths]

No, there isn't anything combative about the truth in and of itself, though there can be in the presentation thereof. I don't have a pony in this race, but I do want to make certain the race is fair. So, to sum up...

- Brandon, a team owner in the IFL, stated the Wild had been accepted into af2. That's incorrect.
- Brandon stated the Wild had met the hard assets criteria for af2, but couldn't meet the liquid assets. We have insufficient information to tell.
- Brandon stated the Wild established an LOC equal to what af2 required. We have insufficient information to tell, though they didn't in September.

Does that sum it up?

[Malepig]

except in the letter from the Wild the hard and liquids assests are both mentioned.
from the letter:

"It is not possible for Alaska Professional Sports, Inc. to achieve the
financial goals i.e. $200,000 LOC or the $10 million $2 million requirement
by the agreed deadline for the 2007 season."

That indicates that both parts could not be met. Brandon did orginally say from the November 3rd post "The Wild met the requirements of the af2". He did change it to say the hard assets were met but not the liquid. Reading what he posted it is more than evident neither was met.

[preeths]

No, it is not. That is open to interpretation, though your interpretation is just as valid as the other. The "or" is placed after "$200,000 LOC," and "$10 million $2 million requirement" appears to be lumped together in Weatherholt's email, so it's unclear whether he could not meet the $10 million, $2 million, or both. Had he placed a comma after "$10 million," that would have settled it, but, but his placement of "or" and non-use of the comma, it looks as if he's lumping them together, or at least it could be interpreted that way.

Either way, the Wild is in the Intense Football League in 2007, and at least in the opinion of most af2 fans we've heard from, they're happy about that.

[Malepig]

The bottom line is either Randy, the Alaska Wild or someone in the IFL lied. They were caught and only they can answer. We saw even yesterday the wild owner lie and say he was playing arena football. With evident lies maybe it is time to really question what is going on with the IFL. Once is a mistake, many times as was exposed yesterday is a pattern.

And has eveyone seen as well when I was telling the truth that Brandon was attacking me even with quack comments. One must ask why was an IFL president(owner as Paul called him) attack me when I was being honest. It shows part of the same pattern. There is no question to that. Here is thre press story that OSC should be looking at.

[preeths]

Or Brandon didn't know the entire story. That I think is much more likely. What's the story? The Wild will play in the IFL, not af2. That's been known for some time. Do most people really care about all the financials? No, because they don't have the context in which to place them. Again, af2's honor is not at stake here.

[Permianman]

I don't know about everyone else but I was really turned off by the posting of that email that went from David Wetherholt to Jerry Kurz. I know that we like to be right for the sake of competition but it was really a show of no class. I know all the Af2 supporters say that they could care less about the IFL but when a league president allows emails to go on public record it shows that they do. I hope the IFL realizes that they are on to something. There is no doubt in my mind that the Af2 sees them as a true competitor. This season will be very important for both leagues.

[Malepig]

Then Brandon of the IFL owes me an apology for the name calling and personal attack against me for his "misrepresentatiion".

[phydeaux72]

Malepig, I "owe" you nothing. You are nothing more than a screenname on a message board to me. And quite honestly, as far as I'm concerned, you're a pompous jackass. You can take that as an insult or however you want. No one on here really even knows who you are, other than the fact that you claim to be an "inside guy" with the af2. The email that you posted (if it's even legitimate) is very open-ended and can be interpreted in many different ways.

And for the record, I am not "Brandon, of the IFL." I am one, of several, team owners in the IFL. So, let's not make that mistake or "misrepresentation" again. I represent the Katy Ruff Riders, who are a member team of the IFL.

One thing that I will admit to is that what I've stated on these message boards early on concerning the Alaska Wild and/or David Weatherholt may have been premature. I have since met Dave and most of the other team owners in the IFL. I have yet to meet Thom Hager, but am anxious to do so.

Here are some things that I do know about David Weatherholt. The $200K LOC - Not a problem, he had to secure that same LOC in order to play in the IFL. The fact is, if you have $10M in hard assets, it doesn't take a financial genius to figure out that a $200K LOC is chump change. $10M/$2M - The hard assets were in place. Dave was approximately $1M short (give or take) of the $2M liquid. That was the whole reason for the af2 putting the Wild off until 2008. After meeting with David (who is a great man, by the way) I am more that confident that, given another year, that he would have been more than ready to play in the af2. But I also know that there are other factors as to why Dave decided not to wait and join the af2, which I will not share on this message board.

But here's the kicker! And this is all that really matters in the end. Dave didn't want to wait until 2008. So, he looked at other options, decided that he could compete in the IFL at a MUCH lower budget, even if he did have to fly the extra miles to and from Texas, and not have to put it off for another year.

Will the Alaska Wild be in the IFL in 2008? Who knows? After meeting Dave, I believe that if 2007 is a success for the Wild, then I am confident they will be in the IFL for years to come. If they're not successful, then I don't see the Wild being in ANY league past 2007. However, all I'm concerned with at the moment is THIS season. And I believe it's going to be another great one in the IFL and I believe everyone else in the league feels the same.

And finally, this will be my last post on this or any other topic on the OSC message boards for quite a while. I have a team to run.

Good luck to everyone in 2007 and beyond.

[Malepig]

Well now everyone can see once and for all what type of league ownership the IFL has. Sad it had to be done this way. It is also evident that the Katy ownership has a lack of morals that no one can deny. This is turned into a buyer beware league at the very least that cannot handle being cuaght in a lie. If he would have stepped up and admitted he screwed up that would have been right. But instead he took the low road and we can go on and figure if he handles being caught in a bad way then his business pratice with the team will be managed the same way(i.e. Cleveland Gary).

[RUFFNECKER]

The bottom line is either Randy, the Alaska Wild or someone in the IFL lied. They were caught and only they can answer. We saw even yesterday the wild owner lie and say he was playing arena football. With evident lies maybe it is time to really question what is going on with the IFL. Once is a mistake, many times as was exposed yesterday is a pattern.

And has eveyone seen as well when I was telling the truth that Brandon was attacking me even with quack comments. One must ask why was an IFL president(owner as Paul called him) attack me when I was being honest. It shows part of the same pattern. There is no question to that. Here is thre press story that OSC should be looking at.

Actually, the IFL does play Arena Football, in fact, the games that I have seen, and I have seen both the Duece and IFL, are the same. The only difference in the two is the nets. Now if you are signifying Arena football as playing with nets, then you would be correct, however, the games actually are the same, therefore both would be considered Arena style football. So he might not owe you an apology for this oversight on your part. Just wandering what the lie part was?

[rams80]

Actually, the IFL does play Arena Football, in fact, the games that I have seen, and I have seen both the Duece and IFL, are the same. The only difference in the two is the nets. Now if you are signifying Arena football as playing with nets, then you would be correct, however, the games actually are the same, therefore both would be considered Arena style football. So he might not owe you an apology for this oversight on your part. Just wandering what the lie part was?

As a matter of fact, (and much legal ink has been spilled over this fine point) the nets are what makes arena football ARENA FOOTBALL. IFL is considered indoor football by a legal standpoint.

[RUFFNECKER]

I figured it was something like that, that's why I made the comment that both leagues play the arena style of football ie... one man in motion, 3 db's and one blitzing lb and one lb that has TE coverage responsibilities. It really is a fine line. Both leagues operate under the same rules, taking from the AFL and their game, just different terminology. It's actually quite funny the way things are reffered to in all these leagues. I relate Indoor Football more with the AIFA, UIF, GLIFL because of the different style of play(2 man motion, LB free to run the field, multiple reciever sets ect. and Arena Football with AFL, AFL2, IFL

[exit322]

I figured it was something like that, that's why I made the comment that both leagues play the arena style of football ie... one man in motion, 3 db's and one blitzing lb and one lb that has TE coverage responsibilities. It really is a fine line. Both leagues operate under the same rules, taking from the AFL and their game, just different terminology. It's actually quite funny the way things are reffered to in all these leagues. I relate Indoor Football more with the AIFA, UIF, GLIFL because of the different style of play(2 man motion, LB free to run the field, multiple reciever sets ect. and Arena Football with AFL, AFL2, IFL

The AIFA also plays an arena-style game, only with the second man in motion.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Malepig, I "owe" you nothing. You are nothing more than a screenname on a message board to me. And quite honestly, as far as I'm concerned, you're a pompous jackass. .

so, THIS is permiitted here?!?!?

[preeths]

Any questions about board policy can be directed to me through email or a PM. The boards themselves are for discussing minor and independent league sports.

[sportsguy12]

seems you should have posted THAT about 6 pages ago.

we're still wondering why Alaska is in the IFL.

A plane ticket from Anchorage to Dallas/Ft Worth is $750 per ticket.

And the fare from Anchorage to Fresno is only $760 or Boise is $743. So there's not a big discrepancy no matter where you fly. I thought it would be a lot more to fly to Texas. I know the team probably gets a discounted rate, etc. but this gives you some kind of gage.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

and a ticket to Odessa???
And the addtional travel time???

Obviously, none of you travel for a living. It's not unusual for the travel to be harder than the actual work.

[rams80]

and a ticket to Odessa???
And the addtional travel time???

Obviously, none of you travel for a living. It's not unusual for the travel to be harder than the actual work.

At least as bad as in the af2 or any other league. Again...an Alaska team would be a dumb ego trip for any league.

[sportsguy12]

At least as bad as in the af2 or any other league. Again...an Alaska team would be a dumb ego trip for any league.

Alaska is a far outpost no matter what league they join. I just thought that by joining af2, although it has more operating expenses, there would be teams closer to the far northwest like Boise, Everett, Spokane and the like.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

what poor slob is having to absorb all this additional expense???

or do GA tkts in Anchorage start at $125 ???

[rams80]

what poor slob is having to absorb all this additional expense???

or do GA tkts in Anchorage start at $125 ???

I dunno, what poor slob is keeping your floundering franchise afloat this year?

-BURN!!!

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Ours is profitable. If you don't have an answer, just ignore the question.

[Pounder]

Very strong hunch that Alaska did not wait a year because they had a sponsor lined up. Here's thinking the sponsor takes the travel risk.

As for travel to Texas, you fly to Dallas (semi-expensive), then bus to Odessa (not just "relatively" cheap). Since the Alaska schedule is two road trips, Alaska players will get a strong dose of Motel 6 culture. I haven't been tracking who Alaska is signing, but I wouldn't be surprised if they keep a lot of Texas kids on the team... think about that; you either see the Alaska "road trips" as the two visits to Texas or the three visits to Alaska.

It's not optimal, and rams might be right that Seward's Folly is precisely that, but in reality the travel in the Intense is probably LESS expensive for Alaska than any other league.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

You may well have a point. They could feasibly hang their hats in texas between road trips. But, dang, you really must want to play football to sign on w/ the Wild. The team may not be in Alaska long enough to establish a following, except for those final weeks.

DFW/Odessa is still a long 350 mile road trip. These players will be worn out from the travel if there's not some successful out of the box thinking.

[rams80]

Ours is profitable. If you don't have an answer, just ignore the question.

Then why did they almost fold?

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

They didn't, though Chris Wms and his sorry inept staff certainly did us no favors. He belongs in the most minor of leagues. Season tkt sales are ahead of last years pace w/ the market's reborn confidence in our coaching staff.

[Permianman]

They didn't, though Chris Wms and his sorry inept staff certainly did us no favors. He belongs in the most minor of leagues. Season tkt sales are ahead of last years pace w/ the market's reborn confidence in our coaching staff.

What will your excuse be after this season? Care to make any predictions on what your teams record will be with your "new and improved" coaching staff? Maybe this time next year you will have followed your current coach over to the message boards of his new team. You are an expansion shell from the past. Get ready to start placing the blame of your franchise on the one you have now. And did I miss something? Is Arena 2 now considered a major league?

[Malepig]

I'll predict 7-9 for TV. As far as blame everyone knew it is going to take time to recover form the league switches. This year will be better for TV on and off the field. In fact off the field TV is doing much better. But this year is a make or break year for them. As far as af2 being major league, no however the af2 will have all of its teams in the playstation game this year.

[Ruffnexfan]

Can anyone tell me if all the coaches from last year are coming back and if not who is still on and who is coming in? How many players from last year are coming back? How good will the team be? Just getting anxious and curious about my NECKS.

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

I suspect the TVV could handle the "Necks" any day of the week. Well, except perhaps at the buffett.

[Permianman]

[B]I suspect the TVV could handle the "Necks" any day of the week. B]

That's one we could definitely debate. Not saying that TVV could not beat the Necks. But the "any day of the week" is probably off. 10 games played between the two teams would definitely not equal 10 TVV victories. I would start that wager at 5 to 5. If not 6-4 favoring the Necks.

[Permianman]

I'll predict 7-9 for TV. As far as blame everyone knew it is going to take time to recover form the league switches. This year will be better for TV on and off the field. In fact off the field TV is doing much better. But this year is a make or break year for them. As far as af2 being major league, no however the af2 will have all of its teams in the playstation game this year.

Well, everyone knows how predictions end up! If the top end prediction is 7-9 it will probably fall on the under.

[Permianman]

I'll predict 7-9 for TV. As far as blame everyone knew it is going to take time to recover form the league switches. This year will be better for TV on and off the field. In fact off the field TV is doing much better. But this year is a make or break year for them. As far as af2 being major league, no however the af2 will have all of its teams in the playstation game this year.

I have NCAA 07' on playstation. You can play with Prairie View if you want to. Enough said!!!

[IRUNTDS]

Can anyone tell me if all the coaches from last year are coming back and if not who is still on and who is coming in? How many players from last year are coming back? How good will the team be? Just getting anxious and curious about my NECKS.

Head Coach-Williams
Def. Coordinator- Kenny Thompson
WR's- Bill McWhorter
OL/DL- Gregg Patterson
FB/LB's- Steve Garcia
QB's- Brandon Patterson

Gary Patterson is the only defection. He has left for a Defensive Coordinator position in Tupelo, MS in the AIFA. Good solid staff. Have worked together well over last three years and have had good records. They are also having their best recruiting season ever. I hear they have been even edging out Af2 teams for some players.You can keep on on www.roughnecksifl.com .

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Good move by Patterson moving up a league !!!!

[phydeaux72]

Good move by Patterson moving up a league !!!!

Still can't let go of the past, can you TVV? Very sad ... :(

[houstonian]

I have NCAA 07' on playstation. You can play with Prairie View if you want to. Enough said!!!

ENOUGH NOT SAID!!!!What Is Your Point? For Your Information You Can Play With Prairie View On Any Ncaa Football Game From 03 To Now! The 10 Year No Wins, No Scholarships Drout Is Over Buddy, So Use Another Comparison Next Time!!!

[Permianman]

ENOUGH NOT SAID!!!!What Is Your Point? For Your Information You Can Play With Prairie View On Any Ncaa Football Game From 03 To Now! The 10 Year No Wins, No Scholarships Drout Is Over Buddy, So Use Another Comparison Next Time!!!

You can get mad and offened all you want. The reference was that the Af2 was bigtime because they are on a video game. Doesn't matter if your tough times are over or not. You are not big time no matter what you say. C'mon you had one of the worst losing streaks in college football history. You have heard this before it's nothing new to you is it?

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

Still can't let go of the past, can you TVV? Very sad ... :(

Gosh, can't even compliment a former IFL'r w/o Fido going berzerk.

[Malepig]

You can get mad and offened all you want. The reference was that the Af2 was bigtime because they are on a video game. Doesn't matter if your tough times are over or not. You are not big time no matter what you say. C'mon you had one of the worst losing streaks in college football history. You have heard this before it's nothing new to you is it?

The af2 big time compared to the ankle biting leagues such as the ifl/nifl/eifl/uif and one of the reasons is by having the af2 teams on the PS2.

[Malepig]

Still can't let go of the past, can you TVV? Very sad ... :(

don't attack him like that. Its not very professional for a team owner.

[houstonian]

You can get mad and offened all you want. The reference was that the Af2 was bigtime because they are on a video game. Doesn't matter if your tough times are over or not. You are not big time no matter what you say. C'mon you had one of the worst losing streaks in college football history. You have heard this before it's nothing new to you is it?
NOT MAD AT ALL NOR AM I OFFENDED!!! YOU RIGHT PV DID HAVE ONE OF THE WORST LOSING STREAKS EVER, PUT ANT TEAM IN DIVISION 1AA FOOTBALL AND TAKE THERE SCHOLARSHIPS AWAY AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME IS!! ANYWAYS, YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOUR SELF, YOU SAY THE AF2 IS BIG TIME B/C THEY ON THE GAME, BUT THEN YOU SAY PV ON A GAME AND THEY NOT BIG TIME! GET YOUR STUFF STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TYPE IT, YOU MAKE NO SINCE! AF2, IS NOT BETTER THEN THE OTHER MINOR LEAGUES, JUST WEARS THE NAME OF THE AFL!!! IF IT WAS, TEAMS WOULDN'T BE FOLDING IN THE AF2 JUST LIKE TEAMS IN OTHER LEAGUES.

[phydeaux72]

don't attack him like that. Its not very professional for a team owner.

It's not any less professional than a LEAGUE owner releasing private business email correspondence to be posted in a public forum. And as I recall, YOU were the one who posted said correspondence for all to see.

Pot? Meet Kettle.

Thank you, and goodnight.

[Malepig]

I posted the truth so all could see with permission. Nothing wrong with that. Team owners should not be attacking people. That is what you are doing again to that guy and your comment just now of a personal attack against me. At least with your previous comment you admit everything in the e-mail is true.

[rams80]

I suspect the TVV could handle the "Necks" any day of the week. Well, except perhaps at the buffett.

Can I please have some of whatever recreational mood alterer you are consuming? It sounds like its good stuff.

Oh and piggy...if I weren't too lazy, I'm sure I could play as the Rough Riders in that game...so again, don't mean much.

[Malepig]

Oh and piggy...if I weren't too lazy, I'm sure I could play as the Rough Riders in that game...so again, don't mean much.

I think the CFL may have its own video game.

[Permianman]

NOT MAD AT ALL NOR AM I OFFENDED!!! YOU RIGHT PV DID HAVE ONE OF THE WORST LOSING STREAKS EVER, PUT ANT TEAM IN DIVISION 1AA FOOTBALL AND TAKE THERE SCHOLARSHIPS AWAY AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME IS!! ANYWAYS, YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOUR SELF, YOU SAY THE AF2 IS BIG TIME B/C THEY ON THE GAME, BUT THEN YOU SAY PV ON A GAME AND THEY NOT BIG TIME! GET YOUR STUFF STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU TYPE IT, YOU MAKE NO SINCE! AF2, IS NOT BETTER THEN THE OTHER MINOR LEAGUES, JUST WEARS THE NAME OF THE AFL!!! IF IT WAS, TEAMS WOULDN'T BE FOLDING IN THE AF2 JUST LIKE TEAMS IN OTHER LEAGUES.

You obviously did not read the posts in their entirety. My point was that Af2 was not bigtime just because they were on a video game and I was using Prairie View as a way to prove my point.

[houstonian]

You obviously did not read the posts in their entirety. My point was that Af2 was not bigtime just because they were on a video game and I was using Prairie View as a way to prove my point.

NO YOU NEED TO PROOFREAD WHAT YOU TYPE BEFORE YOU FINISH BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T BECAUSE WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IS NOT WHAT YOU TYPED!!!! SO GET YOUR STUFF STRAIGHT NEXT TIME BRFORE YOU COMMENT ON A SCHOOL OR ANY PARTICULAR TEAM, B/C I AM WILLING TO BET YOU ARE COMMENTING AND YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE OR PROFESIONAL FOOTBALL, PROBABLY NO EVEN HIGH SCHOOL, SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE ABNY ROOM TO SPEAK. I GUESS THIS FORUM IS YOUR WAY OF LIVING OUT SOMETHING YOU WASN'T OR NEVER WILL BE!!!

[Permianman]

NO YOU NEED TO PROOFREAD WHAT YOU TYPE BEFORE YOU FINISH BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T BECAUSE WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IS NOT WHAT YOU TYPED!!!! SO GET YOUR STUFF STRAIGHT NEXT TIME BRFORE YOU COMMENT ON A SCHOOL OR ANY PARTICULAR TEAM, B/C I AM WILLING TO BET YOU ARE COMMENTING AND YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE OR PROFESIONAL FOOTBALL, PROBABLY NO EVEN HIGH SCHOOL, SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE ABNY ROOM TO SPEAK. I GUESS THIS FORUM IS YOUR WAY OF LIVING OUT SOMETHING YOU WASN'T OR NEVER WILL BE!!!

No you need to carefully read what is being written. Maybe its that Prairie View education. And yes not only did I play a down of college football. I worked my butt off every summer and spring from my redshirt freshman year thru my senior year, which if you can't add, equals 5 years of grinding at the college level. Division 1-A (North Texas) I might add. And I am not even going to run down my list of high school awards. And unfortunately for me I did play minor league indoor football for the ridiculous $200 a week that they pay. So no the forum is not for living out dreams. It is now for laughing at some guy who actually admits that he has pride for Prairie View football.

[rams80]

NO YOU NEED TO PROOFREAD WHAT YOU TYPE BEFORE YOU FINISH BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T BECAUSE WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IS NOT WHAT YOU TYPED!!!! SO GET YOUR STUFF STRAIGHT NEXT TIME BRFORE YOU COMMENT ON A SCHOOL OR ANY PARTICULAR TEAM, B/C I AM WILLING TO BET YOU ARE COMMENTING AND YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE OR PROFESIONAL FOOTBALL, PROBABLY NO EVEN HIGH SCHOOL, SO YOU MAY NOT HAVE ABNY ROOM TO SPEAK. I GUESS THIS FORUM IS YOUR WAY OF LIVING OUT SOMETHING YOU WASN'T OR NEVER WILL BE!!!

To the left on your keyboard is a button labeled "Caps Lock" please push it now.

Ok, I have a plan that makes it all better-rather than taking a swing at Prairie View which may or may not be a good example of a rather mundane and irrelevant football program, lets say you can play as an irrelevant team like Valparaiso (Valpo has football and is on that game, right?)

[houstonian]

No you need to carefully read what is being written. Maybe its that Prairie View education. And yes not only did I play a down of college football. I worked my butt off every summer and spring from my redshirt freshman year thru my senior year, which if you can't add, equals 5 years of grinding at the college level. Division 1-A (North Texas) I might add. And I am not even going to run down my list of high school awards. And unfortunately for me I did play minor league indoor football for the ridiculous $200 a week that they pay. So no the forum is not for living out dreams. It is now for laughing at some guy who actually admits that he has pride for Prairie View football.
IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DIDN'T WORK TOO HARD, YOU ENDED UP IN MINOR LEAGUE INDOOR!!! IF YOU CALL THAT GRINDING, YOU WASTED YOUR TIME!!! AND PLAYING FOR NORTH TEXAS ISN'T SAYING MUCH, THEY SHOULDN'T BE COMPETING IN DIV 1, WELL LET ME SAY PLAYING IN DIV 1, BECAUSE THEY DON'T COMPETE WITH ANYONE, SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!! AS FAR AS EDUCATION GOES, YOU REALLY NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH, UNT RANKS NO WHERE IN THE TOP PROGAMS IN THE NATION, PV DOES, AND YES I AM PROUD TO BE ALUMNI OF ONE OF THE MOST DISTINGUISHED HISTORIC BLACK UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD!!! WHEN NORTH TEXAS EVER BECOMES A CONTENDER IN THERE LITTLE WHAT SUN BELT CONFERENCE THEN YOU COMMENT ON OTHER SCHOOLS!!! AND KEEP IN MIND UNT IS ONLY DIV 1A B/C OF ENROLLMENT AND THE NUMBER OF SPORTS COMPETE IN, MISTAKE AGAIN MEANT PLAY!!!

[Permianman]

IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DIDN'T WORK TOO HARD, YOU ENDED UP IN MINOR LEAGUE INDOOR!!! IF YOU CALL THAT GRINDING, YOU WASTED YOUR TIME!!! AND PLAYING FOR NORTH TEXAS ISN'T SAYING MUCH, THEY SHOULDN'T BE COMPETING IN DIV 1, WELL LET ME SAY PLAYING IN DIV 1, BECAUSE THEY DON'T COMPETE WITH ANYONE, SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!! AS FAR AS EDUCATION GOES, YOU REALLY NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH, UNT RANKS NO WHERE IN THE TOP PROGAMS IN THE NATION, PV DOES, AND YES I AM PROUD TO BE ALUMNI OF ONE OF THE MOST DISTINGUISHED HISTORIC BLACK UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD!!! WHEN NORTH TEXAS EVER BECOMES A CONTENDER IN THERE LITTLE WHAT SUN BELT CONFERENCE THEN YOU COMMENT ON OTHER SCHOOLS!!! AND KEEP IN MIND UNT IS ONLY DIV 1A B/C OF ENROLLMENT AND THE NUMBER OF SPORTS COMPETE IN, MISTAKE AGAIN MEANT PLAY!!!

Here we go. I am a black man too. So don't try to throw that historically black college thing in my face. In today's football world the only ones of US who would really sign with Prairie View are the ones who could not go anywhere else. I did not start out bragging about my football past you are the one who said I probably did not play a down. So I told you that I did. I only said that I played minor league football not that I had not been anywhere else. I am still ranked in many categories at my school are you? Lets hear your football background up since you are the one that brought it up!

[rams80]

IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DIDN'T WORK TOO HARD, YOU ENDED UP IN MINOR LEAGUE INDOOR!!! IF YOU CALL THAT GRINDING, YOU WASTED YOUR TIME!!! AND PLAYING FOR NORTH TEXAS ISN'T SAYING MUCH, THEY SHOULDN'T BE COMPETING IN DIV 1, WELL LET ME SAY PLAYING IN DIV 1, BECAUSE THEY DON'T COMPETE WITH ANYONE, SO YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK!! AS FAR AS EDUCATION GOES, YOU REALLY NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH, UNT RANKS NO WHERE IN THE TOP PROGAMS IN THE NATION, PV DOES, AND YES I AM PROUD TO BE ALUMNI OF ONE OF THE MOST DISTINGUISHED HISTORIC BLACK UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD!!! WHEN NORTH TEXAS EVER BECOMES A CONTENDER IN THERE LITTLE WHAT SUN BELT CONFERENCE THEN YOU COMMENT ON OTHER SCHOOLS!!! AND KEEP IN MIND UNT IS ONLY DIV 1A B/C OF ENROLLMENT AND THE NUMBER OF SPORTS COMPETE IN, MISTAKE AGAIN MEANT PLAY!!!

Ummm FYI North Texas won the Sun Belt title in football 2001-2004. Your point about the size and number of sports is more of a "So what", you could say that about most programs. And we weren't talking about education unfortunately, we were talking about the relative athletic prowess (kind of like how I can rag on Vandy at will when they have a strong academice reputation). I will say that Prairie View does have a good band though.

[houstonian]

Here we go. I am a black man too. So don't try to throw that historically black college thing in my face. In today's football world the only ones of US who would really sign with Prairie View are the ones who could not go anywhere else. I did not start out bragging about my football past you are the one who said I probably did not play a down. So I told you that I did. I only said that I played minor league football not that I had not been anywhere else. I am still ranked in many categories at my school are you? Lets hear your football background up since you are the one that brought it up!

I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, JUST STATING THE FACTS!! PV IS A DISTINGUISHED HISTORIC BLACK UNIVERSITY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! ONCE AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COMMENT, YOU ARE STILL COMMENTING ON THE PAST. YOU RIGHT WHO WOULD GO SOMEWHERE AND PLAY WITHOUT A SCHOLARSHIP, NOT THE CASE NOW!! HOORAH, YOU HAVE RECORDS AT UNT, BIG DEAL!!! WANT A COOKIE! FOOTBALL PAST, LET'S SEE! I HAVE A BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP RING (1998), RESEARCH WHO WON IT THAT YEAR, WE KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS NOT UNT! AND AS FOR GOING TO PV, I CHOSE TO TRANSFER THERE!! AND YOUR BRIEF LITTLE MINOR LEAGUE STINT, COMPARES NOTHING TO CFL, NFLE, AND AFL. BEEN THERE DONE THAT, UNFORTUANTELY I DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE TO MAKE THE 200 BUCKS, GUESS I MISSED OUT!!!!

[houstonian]

To the left on your keyboard is a button labeled "Caps Lock" please push it now.

Ok, I have a plan that makes it all better-rather than taking a swing at Prairie View which may or may not be a good example of a rather mundane and irrelevant football program, lets say you can play as an irrelevant team like Valparaiso (Valpo has football and is on that game, right?)

SURE IS AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME NOT USING IT, DON'T READ WHAT I HAVE TO TYPE!! AND AS FOR YOU, WHEN DID WHAT I TYPE OR HOW I TYPE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU?

[Permianman]

I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, JUST STATING THE FACTS!! PV IS A DISTINGUISHED HISTORIC BLACK UNIVERSITY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! ONCE AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COMMENT, YOU ARE STILL COMMENTING ON THE PAST. YOU RIGHT WHO WOULD GO SOMEWHERE AND PLAY WITHOUT A SCHOLARSHIP, NOT THE CASE NOW!! HOORAH, YOU HAVE RECORDS AT UNT, BIG DEAL!!! WANT A COOKIE! FOOTBALL PAST, LET'S SEE! I HAVE A BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP RING (1998), RESEARCH WHO WON IT THAT YEAR, WE KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS NOT UNT! AND AS FOR GOING TO PV, I CHOSE TO TRANSFER THERE!! AND YOUR BRIEF LITTLE MINOR LEAGUE STINT, COMPARES NOTHING TO CFL, NFLE, AND AFL. BEEN THERE DONE THAT, UNFORTUANTELY I DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE TO MAKE THE 200 BUCKS, GUESS I MISSED OUT!!!!

Ok let's slow it down a little. You are the one who brought up the playing football thing not me. So your posts about me not playing a down of football was way off base. Then when I explained to you that I did you took pot shots at who I played for. Now let me poke at yours. You said you have a big 12 championship ring. That is great. But who in the heck transfers to Prairie View from the Big 12 unless they were not good enough to stay in the Big 12. And don't give me that "PV has a great educational history" stuff. As far as all the other leagues you mentioned go. I too have been thru all of those in one way or another before my last run ended up in indoor. We are arguing because you are upset that PV has a horrible reputation when it comes to football. Don't blame me for that. When your school makes sportcenter just because of the longest losing streak ever you just have to suck it up. You are not being wrongly accused. Maybe things are changing for you now but the bottom line is that it will be a long time before people forget. Like it or not. And by the way how do you play in NFLE without some type of NFL background. Would like to know...because as you said " been there done that".

[rams80]

I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, JUST STATING THE FACTS!! PV IS A DISTINGUISHED HISTORIC BLACK UNIVERSITY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! ONCE AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COMMENT, YOU ARE STILL COMMENTING ON THE PAST. YOU RIGHT WHO WOULD GO SOMEWHERE AND PLAY WITHOUT A SCHOLARSHIP, NOT THE CASE NOW!! HOORAH, YOU HAVE RECORDS AT UNT, BIG DEAL!!! WANT A COOKIE! FOOTBALL PAST, LET'S SEE! I HAVE A BIG 12 CHAMPIONSHIP RING (1998), RESEARCH WHO WON IT THAT YEAR, WE KNOW FOR SURE IT WAS NOT UNT! AND AS FOR GOING TO PV, I CHOSE TO TRANSFER THERE!! AND YOUR BRIEF LITTLE MINOR LEAGUE STINT, COMPARES NOTHING TO CFL, NFLE, AND AFL. BEEN THERE DONE THAT, UNFORTUANTELY I DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE TO MAKE THE 200 BUCKS, GUESS I MISSED OUT!!!!

Oh my God he's a full fledged Aggie, and like most, nay all of them, completely insane. At least I know why you feel compelled to shout everything around. Seriously though, man, (shouting time now) WE HAVE NEVER ONCE DENIED THAT PV IS A FINE ACADEMIC INSTITUTION LIKE MOST, WITH A GOOD HISTORY. WE ARE SAYING THAT ATHLETICALLY, PV DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD PAST AND REPUTATION FOR SUCCESS!!!

[Tennessee Valley Vipers]

I can feel the IFL love.

[sportsguy]

This could be the greatest thread of all time...and I'm never getting back the 10 minutes of my life I just spent reading it!!

Permianman: Mental note...next time use San Jose St. as your example, not Prairie View. No one from there reads this board.s:p

Houston: HE WAS USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE!!! HE WAS NOT INSULTING PRAIRIE VIEW A&M...HE COULD HAVE USED ANY OF THE 119 NCAA DIVISION-1 INSTITUTIONS THAT PLAY FOOTBALL. UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM, HE CHOSE THE ONE THAT YOU SEEM TO CARE ABOUT. GET OVER IT.
AND DON'T BRAG ABOUT BEING AN AGGIE, WHILE DOWNING NORTH TEXAS. ALSO DON'T COME BACK WITH 'OH YEAH? WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL??' BECAUSE I WILL LITERALLY SHUT YOU UP WITH FOUR WORDS. THERE WOULD BE NO COMPARISON.

TVV: Please go find a non-Roughnecks board to spew your hate.

Phydeaux: Ready for your camp?? It's about a month away.

Preeths: I don't know what your salary is for this gig, but dude, you are NOT getting paid enough for what you go through.

[sportznut]

welcome back sportsguy

[sportsguy]

Hi Nut...missed you.

Thanks for the text. Cat and I are doing well.

[Roughnecks Fan]

I feel the love from last year! Go Odessa! Maybe we can get David Carr from the Texans.

[sportznut]

Carr Holds onto the ball too long for indoor football.. wait, he holds on to it too long for outdoor football too.....

Jut about a month before i get to see the Roughnecks in action!

[preeths]

Behind the Texans line, if you hold onto the ball at all, you hold onto it too long.