Warning!!

[outmoney]

I'm concerned that two NIFL franchises are owned by TP, a gentleman who refuses to pay his bill to us. We are just telling you of our situation with CSM. In Feb. 2006, TP ordered $20,787.10 worth of printed, embroidered and promotional items for the Revolution. It should have been a 50% prepay, but we've known TP for over 2 years and had his personal guarantee that the entire amount would be paid right after the first game in 2006. As of 12/1/06, they owe $17, 749.03. We have e-mails and phone messages saying that the check would be mailed later in the week. This has been going on since 3/2006. We contacted Carolyn Shiver for help from the NIFL. No response. We sent her another letter requesting payment against the $100,000.00 Letter of Credit put up by the Revolution. We were told that "We do not get involved in civil issues between teams and vendors." Apparently you can't make a claim against their LOC. After TP learned that we contacted the NIFL, he said we would NEVER get our money. This has been owed since 2/2006. We are a really small company that can't afford this. We would never, ever again supply CSM without a 100% prepayment. We learned from our huge mistake.

We are just telling you of our dealings with them. If anyone would like verification of the total due, please pm this post. We'll be happy to forward copies of all invoices and correspondence.

[sportsguy12]

I'm concerned that two NIFL franchises are owned by TP, a gentleman who refuses to pay his bill to us. We are just telling you of our situation with CSM. In Feb. 2006, TP ordered $20,787.10 worth of printed, embroidered and promotional items for the Revolution. It should have been a 50% prepay, but we've known TP for over 2 years and had his personal guarantee that the entire amount would be paid right after the first game in 2006. As of 12/1/06, they owe $17, 749.03. We have e-mails and phone messages saying that the check would be mailed later in the week. This has been going on since 3/2006. We contacted Carolyn Shiver for help from the NIFL. No response. We sent her another letter requesting payment against the $100,000.00 Letter of Credit put up by the Revolution. We were told that "We do not get involved in civil issues between teams and vendors." Apparently you can't make a claim against their LOC. After TP learned that we contacted the NIFL, he said we would NEVER get our money. This has been owed since 2/2006. We are a really small company that can't afford this. We would never, ever again supply CSM without a 100% prepayment. We learned from our huge mistake.

We are just telling you of our dealings with them. If anyone would like verification of the total due, please pm this post. We'll be happy to forward copies of all invoices and correspondence.

Tell the people in Columbia, SC ... before they get screwed, too. This is the MO for the NIFL. They do this over and over and over and over and over ...

[exit322]

I think a lawyer is a better recipient for this than a message board.

[preeths]

We're actually looking into some other reports on Tony Pewonski as well. Should have some info later this week.

[nksports]

We sent her another letter requesting payment against the $100,000.00 Letter of Credit put up by the Revolution.

To quote Shakespear, "Eye, there's the rub." If NIFL teams were actually putting up letters of credit or performance bonds, they wouldn't be folding left and right in the middle of the season. You can't collect against what probably doesn't exist.
Get a lawyer, file a claim and then contact a collection agency. Then good luck and God bless, but people like TP always seem to find a way out of these things. If you go to court, you probably have them (or you'll get an uncollectable default judgement like what happened against the AIFL). They won't want to open their books in open court. It would scare away other potential suckers, I mean owners.

[Sykotyk]

If it is a very small company, $17,000 still not paid is a big amount. Imagine the costs of getting a lawyer to take it, to fight it, and even if you do get the judgement, who's to say you'll get paid. In the end, you may end up out even more than the $17,000 right now. So for a small company, if they can't get it without going the legal/collection route, they just won't get it.

It's odd they'd bring it up here, but hey, if you aren't going to get paid, might as well run them through the mud in exchange.

Sykotyk

[baydaddy77]

outmoney has PM'd me about this but I haven't been able to find anyone to listen. I continue to work on this.

[capcom]

lol how could we help recover your cash thats really up to him dont you think.

[outmoney]

Repayment is up to him. You're exactly right. It wasn't posted for that reason. It was posted to warn anyone who was thinking of doing business with them. Sorry if you got the wrong impression. I was trying to, maybe, help someone not get in the same position. That's all.

[MarshalsFAN80]

Repayment is up to him. You're exactly right. It wasn't posted for that reason. It was posted to warn anyone who was thinking of doing business with them. Sorry if you got the wrong impression. I was trying to, maybe, help someone not get in the same position. That's all.

While I hate to see anyone in the position that you are in, I have to say that most people that are working with teams in the NIFL or other leagues for that matter have no idea that this site exists. That can be a good and bad thing.

If you use Fayetteville as an example: Great ownership, good team, solid players, BAD WRAP in the LOCAL PAPER because of the situation that the league has been in, in the past. I tell you what, if the Guard offered me a job, I would move my family there right now! That is how strong I believe in that organization.

Teams that struggle don't usually do so because of the staff that is put into place. (First season Marshals coaching staff was good) They usually fall apart because of BAD ownership. (H.P. whatever the heck his name is on any given day)

I've been watching this league for a couple of years now and I still think that with the right people in charge, it can be GOOD. I have to admit though, Player Haters and Muskateers *spelling* can't be a valid re-birth. Right now, I feel like I am looking at a slimy nasty caterpillar waiting for it to turn into a beautiful butterfly. (I'm still holding out hope) And no, I'm not expecting to see one of the new teams named the Butterflies, although if there is a team that comes out of Baltimore, I'd like to make that suggestion;)

OK, I promise, I'll stop drinking the Kool-aid as soon as I see a beverage company sponsorship.

Have a good night all! :mrgreen:

[BarbaraPatterson]

I'm concerned that two NIFL franchises are owned by TP, a gentleman who refuses to pay his bill to us. We are just telling you of our situation with CSM. In Feb. 2006, TP ordered $20,787.10 worth of printed, embroidered and promotional items for the Revolution. It should have been a 50% prepay, but we've known TP for over 2 years and had his personal guarantee that the entire amount would be paid right after the first game in 2006. As of 12/1/06, they owe $17, 749.03. We have e-mails and phone messages saying that the check would be mailed later in the week. This has been going on since 3/2006. We contacted Carolyn Shiver for help from the NIFL. No response. We sent her another letter requesting payment against the $100,000.00 Letter of Credit put up by the Revolution. We were told that "We do not get involved in civil issues between teams and vendors." Apparently you can't make a claim against their LOC. After TP learned that we contacted the NIFL, he said we would NEVER get our money. This has been owed since 2/2006. We are a really small company that can't afford this. We would never, ever again supply CSM without a 100% prepayment. We learned from our huge mistake.

We are just telling you of our dealings with them. If anyone would like verification of the total due, please pm this post. We'll be happy to forward copies of all invoices and correspondence.
While its hard for me to explain to you why I feel this way, sometimes its better to cut the $1,000 check to the lawyer to get this case in front of a judge and get a judgment against them. While this does not always get you money, it does several things.

1) Notifies others that you are owed money, and notifies other businesses that they should get cash up front. Often time this information is very valuable to those who are not able to afford to take a hit of non-payment, no matter how small a loss.

2) Gives those that owe you money notification that you want your money, and your not walking away letting them just have your stuff.

3) Gives you the legal authorization to go out and tell others that you are actually owed money without any legal repercussions.

4) Gives you authorization to start legally collecting your money. Lien their turf, their equipment, lien their insurance, lease deposits, you can also, depending on what state they are in, you can do a "till tap", attach bank accounts etc, and add on legal fees to the amount of judgment.

To me, receiving merchandise with the promise of understand that payment will follow, and then not paying for it is legal theft. Whether your in a position to take the $17,749 hit or not is not the issue. The issue is that you have spent a lot of time and effort acquiring that money / merchandise.

Another way is if this was on several invoices, you are able to take them to small claims court, suing them without a lawyer. You would have to sue them several times back to back to hit that $17K owed, however its cheaper because you wont need a lawyer, just make sure the amount your sue for is below the magistrate threshold and be sure to write the invoice numbers on each claim so that they cant state that your judgments are duplicates.
Example:
Invoice 1: $4350 lawsuit 1,
Invoice 2: $5000 lawsuit 2,
Invoice 3: $3000 lawsuit 3,

you get the picture. If one invoice is above the magistrate threshold, then dont mess with this option and seek a lawyer.

Some people will never pay until they get their back against the wall. Whats the worse that can happen, they go out of business, saving this hardship on others while your out another $1,000. If more people would stand up to those that owe them money these people would realise they cant continue to operate without a viable business plan and proper financing and you get the satisfaction of knowing you probably saved others the hardship and possibly their own businesses.

[ChampionOfSteel]

While its hard for me to explain to you why I feel this way, sometimes its better to cut the $1,000 check to the lawyer to get this case in front of a judge and get a judgment against them. While this does not always get you money, it does several things.

1) Notifies others that you are owed money, and notifies other businesses that they should get cash up front. Often time this information is very valuable to those who are not able to afford to take a hit of non-payment, no matter how small a loss.

2) Gives those that owe you money notification that you want your money, and your not walking away letting them just have your stuff.

3) Gives you the legal authorization to go out and tell others that you are actually owed money without any legal repercussions.

4) Gives you authorization to start legally collecting your money. Lien their turf, their equipment, lien their insurance, lease deposits, you can also, depending on what state they are in, you can do a "till tap", attach bank accounts etc, and add on legal fees to the amount of judgment.

To me, receiving merchandise with the promise of understand that payment will follow, and then not paying for it is legal theft. Whether your in a position to take the $17,749 hit or not is not the issue. The issue is that you have spent a lot of time and effort acquiring that money / merchandise.

Another way is if this was on several invoices, you are able to take them to small claims court, suing them without a lawyer. You would have to sue them several times back to back to hit that $17K owed, however its cheaper because you wont need a lawyer, just make sure the amount your sue for is below the magistrate threshold and be sure to write the invoice numbers on each claim so that they cant state that your judgments are duplicates.
Example:
Invoice 1: $4350 lawsuit 1,
Invoice 2: $5000 lawsuit 2,
Invoice 3: $3000 lawsuit 3,

you get the picture. If one invoice is above the magistrate threshold, then dont mess with this option and seek a lawyer.

Some people will never pay until they get their back against the wall. Whats the worse that can happen, they go out of business, saving this hardship on others while your out another $1,000. If more people would stand up to those that owe them money these people would realise they cant continue to operate without a viable business plan and proper financing and you get the satisfaction of knowing you probably saved others the hardship and possibly their own businesses.


I wish everyone on the planet with an interest in sports management could read the above.

Well said.