Grand Junction

[Pietsch Fan]

http://sun.yumasun.com/artman/publish/articles/story_27998.php

There's the 8th team the Surf Dawgs need to survive another year.

[preeths]

So what you're saying is the Dawgs might not be gone after all?

[Pietsch Fan]

So what you're saying is the Dawgs might not be gone after all?

If you look back that's what we've been saying all along. 8th team, Dawgs are a go, no 8th team, they're gone.

[preeths]

That's not the impression anyone got. The GBL was accused of harpooning the Dawgs and slinking out of town. Looks as if they are trying to land an eighth team, and keep the Dawgs alive (if they're even the team on the chopping block).

[preeths]

Pietsch Fan, here's your quote from November 9:

Hey, gblinsider, since you obviously have the inside know, can you tell us why Amit and Dave are such lying chicken****s and don't just admit that they've failed and moved on? They should just announce that the Surf Dawgs are gone and call it a day, rather than continue to deny it.

[preeths]

And yesterday, you added this:

The web page is down because the Dawgs are down and out.

[DawgsBooster2]

And yesterday Pietsch Fan also posted this: http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showpost.php?p=28077&postcount=22

Which says: And even then I think the 8th team addition or the Dawgs deduction was already a decision made.

8th team *or* Dawgs leaving.

The majority of the conversation on this topic has been happening over on the GBL yahoo group.

[DawgsBooster2]

And yesterday, you added this:

Regardless of what Pietsch Fan's exact words were, the site has never been down. Not updated since the end of the season, yah, but still up the whole time.

[preeths]

But the website wasn't the point. People have been roasting the GBL as if the Dawgs' departure has been a done deal. Unless you argue this Grand Junction thing is an elaborate ruse, that simply isn't the case. Now San Diego may yet fold, but I think it is clear that decision has not been made yet and the league is trying to prevent it.

[DawgsBooster2]

But the website wasn't the point. People have been roasting the GBL as if the Dawgs' departure has been a done deal. Unless you argue this Grand Junction thing is an elaborate ruse, that simply isn't the case. Now San Diego may yet fold, but I think it is clear that decision has not been made yet and the league is trying to prevent it.

My point is that the GBL has lied to me, personally. Not some gerally speaking thing, actual lies being told to me personally.

If the Dawgs are leaving, then so be it, if they stay, great, more baseball for San Diego, fantastic. In fact I hope Grand Junction works out for the GBL because then the league will be 8 and the Dawgs can stick around. But why lie about any of it? What good does it do? And one can't say that they aren't lying. They are.

From one of my other posts in another thread:
The San Diego UT Article says:
1- Smaller office
2- renegotiation with SDSU
3- two people manning the fort
4- Amit is quoted as saying: "There's nothing going on in San Diego different than any other of our markets this time of year."

Amit has told us personally:
1a- they were putting the office in a storage facility and selling off the office furniture
2a- they will be perusing legal action against SDSU for some sort of breach of contract (see $$ comment)
3a- no one is working the phantom office, they're on involuntary administrative leave.
4a- the other offices aren't loading up in U-Hauls and moving into storage facilities

So what, of the above is true? Which are lies? I don't know. But I do know that one thing can't be two things at once. Either we're being lied to and everything is peaches and cream, or the UT was lied to and the Dawgs are in trouble.

So, that's why it looks like I'm roasting the GBL. I don't take kindly to being lied to.

[preeths]

I can't address what anyone told you personally, of course, as I wasn't there. You may have legitimate gripes with the league. I don't know. I was addressing Pietsch Fan above and only quoted her. Even with her "or" comment you quoted above, she was clearly using it in past tense to claim the Dawgs were already gone ("was already a decision made"). On this issue, I believe some have jumped the gun and unfairly lynched the GBL.

Besides, what is the point? I mean, let's say for the sake of argument that the GBL isn't telling the truth to someone. Why would they do that? Is it because they don't respect you as a human being? Because they like messing with you? They intentionally want to hurt you? I doubt it, but again I don't know if there is bad blood between you and them for any reason. More likely, they're trying to keep all their options open and don't tell anyone outside the organization everything. Maybe some of both of your lists is correct. For example, perhaps part of their renegotiation with SDSU involves the threat of a suit against them. I don't know. Maybe they are just flat out lying to you or the UT. They actually told you the worse scenario, so it looks to me as if they wanted to make sure you didn't get your hopes up, even though there is still hope. Why take it personally?

[DawgsBooster2]

My bad was thinking that I had formed some sort of bond with the powers that be with in the GBL and was lied to. That's why I'm taking it personally. I now see how wrong I was in preceiving something that was not there.

I can't speak to Pietch Fan's reason.

[Pietsch Fan]

Real quick because I'm on my lunch break. Here's the thing, last year the GBL totally screwed the fans of Mesa and Surprise by not admitting that the teams had failed and wouldn't be back. I mean, ultimately they told them, but not until way after the fact. The fans were heartbroken and we felt for them. We asked the GBL not to do the same thing to the Dawgs fans. Just tell us it's not working, things happen, whatever, it's business. Instead of saying "Hey guys, we've got some things in the works that will keep the Dawgs around, but we can't tell you the specifics because it's our private business and we want to keep it close to the vest right now." We would have told them, cool, we'll wait, let us know if you need us to do anything. (They have, in the past, asked us to write letters, we did, get the word out to fans, we have, etc.) Instead, they chose to just tell us lies and half truths, to blame SDSU and not take any of the blame for the teams failure themselves. Heck, it's not even blame. Businesses fail, big and small. Why pretend?

Anyway, we take it personally because they personally told us they'd be open and up front. They said they'd let us know what's happening and how we could help. At any time they could have backed off and said a thicker wall of seperation needs to be made. They didn't.

[preeths]

I can understand the points, but even if a business promises full disclosure, you can't count on it. They're going to protect their own interests first, in San Diego and the league as a whole. That's just the way it is. Don't get me wrong, the GBL is not above criticism. I just want to make certain the criticism is fair and separate the business from the personal.

[DawgsBooster2]

I can understand the points, but even if a business promises full disclosure, you can't count on it. They're going to protect their own interests first, in San Diego and the league as a whole. That's just the way it is. Don't get me wrong, the GBL is not above criticism. I just want to make certain the criticism is fair and separate the business from the personal.

For me... 98% of it is personal.

[Pietsch Fan]

I can understand the points, but even if a business promises full disclosure, you can't count on it. They're going to protect their own interests first, in San Diego and the league as a whole. That's just the way it is. Don't get me wrong, the GBL is not above criticism. I just want to make certain the criticism is fair and separate the business from the personal.

Absolutely, but when they promise one thing and deliver another then they deserve the criticism they receive. It's not like this is the first time the GBL has jerked people around. They'll either figure it out and survive or they'll go the way of other failed businesses. This type of business only survives if they have lots and lots of happy customers. Their are millions of entertainment opitons out there. If they want people to come and keep coming they have to keep them happy. The consumer is a fickle creature.

[LoveOTheGame]

My point is that the GBL has lied to me, personally. Not some gerally speaking thing, actual lies being told to me personally.

If the Dawgs are leaving, then so be it, if they stay, great, more baseball for San Diego, fantastic. In fact I hope Grand Junction works out for the GBL because then the league will be 8 and the Dawgs can stick around. But why lie about any of it? What good does it do? And one can't say that they aren't lying. They are.

From one of my other posts in another thread:
The San Diego UT Article says:
1- Smaller office
2- renegotiation with SDSU
3- two people manning the fort
4- Amit is quoted as saying: "There's nothing going on in San Diego different than any other of our markets this time of year."

Amit has told us personally:
1a- they were putting the office in a storage facility and selling off the office furniture
2a- they will be perusing legal action against SDSU for some sort of breach of contract (see $$ comment)
3a- no one is working the phantom office, they're on involuntary administrative leave.
4a- the other offices aren't loading up in U-Hauls and moving into storage facilities

So what, of the above is true? Which are lies? I don't know. But I do know that one thing can't be two things at once. Either we're being lied to and everything is peaches and cream, or the UT was lied to and the Dawgs are in trouble.

So, that's why it looks like I'm roasting the GBL. I don't take kindly to being lied to.

Time to get over it and live your life on your own dime and not just some fantasy of personal involvement in professional baseball. The team was just fine the first season without your "personal" touch and from the looks of things, it was apparent that neither the team nor the manager wanted your involvement anyway. By the way, did you think the grimacing look from the manager (when he heard your bellowing voice) was a friendly smile in your direction? Get a clue! In the end, you have tainted any good you may have done by this absolutely senseless and utter bashing of others to make yourselves look better. This self-absorbed pity party is ridiculous and has done nothing more than provide a medium for you to display your selfish and immature demeanor. Enough is enough.

You seem to have a particular hardon for the booster club. Are you Fat Bastard or Fairy Boy?

In addition, let's watch the name-calling; the two names Pietsch Fan uttered in a previous post are inappropriate and could be considered defamatory.

[Pietsch Fan]

And you know how much input we had in season one how? And I wasn't name calling, I was asking if you were FB or FB, but it's clear you're KG.

[DawgsBooster2]

I appreciate the morning giggle, right there. Nothing better to start the day. Well, there's one other thing that's better, but that's not so much for public consumption, eh?

Not for nuthin' but TK called me more than once during the 2006 pre and regular season to thank us for what were doing and to offer his full support, and he always answered my calls or returned my messages. Only once did that waiver and it wasn't a *major* deal. We'd planned something for the players (free food is always good!) on one of their few days off and so did he. Other than that, it was always good between us. My beef is so not with him and he was always kosher with us.

See, the thing is that one couldn't truly hear up in the booths but the "bellowing" was enjoyed by the fans *and* the players (more free money baby!) and was NEVER done while our pitcher was pitching or while our batter was batting. Also, as for doing things on my own dime... um, never got paid hon. I'm a member of a host family, hon, so we got free tickets, but so did every other host family. So, put all that in your smoke and pipe it.

As for my association with professional baseball... well, let's say that how deeply that association runs isn't really anyone's business but my own.

Side note to Pietsch Fan: Johnny Day = Man Crush! Or, truth be told, just regular crush, right?

GBL Insider, dude, man... we've missed you but we're glad you're back.

Looks like the GBL needs to get some baseball business folks involved if they wish to make the long haul. And I hope they do. For completely selfish reasons I hope they do well. Minor league sports are at a premium in San Diego, our hockey is gone and our baseball might be as well. :: crossing fingers for Grand Junction to come through ::