Winter Baseball? 2007 Schedule? New Teams

[oregon_william]

Got back in to Yuma recently for the winter months. Does anyone know if the GBL has considered having some winter baseball? A lot of our friends would like to see ball in Yuma while they are here, but we all leave mid-April or so. When is the 2007 schedule for the league coming out? Any new teams other than the Utah team? I keep checking the Scorpions web page but it's never updated with any new information to keep us informed. Thanks. Bill

[Pietsch Fan]

Wow, amazing that you've asked for this at this particular time. Are you a mind reader?

[oregon_william]

I'm not following you. Just asking about the 07 schedule, teams and such.

[heavesrock]

The GBL is losing tons of money, and its too late to have a winter league now, so probably not. As for next season, there are probably no new teams except to St. George, although theres been talk of Vacaville getting a team. Either Fullerton or Long Beach will probably be cut rather than bring in a new team.

[oregon_william]

Thank you for the information. Where is Vacaville? California? If those other teams Fullerton and Long Beach are eliminated how many teams would that leave? Yuma, San Diego, Chico, Reno and the Utah team? That's 5. Trying to keep track of teams coming and going is getting confusing! Don't they need 6 teams to keep the schedule balanced? If they kept Fullerton and Long Beach that would be 7. If they added Vacaville that would be 8. But if they dumped Fullerton or Long Beach they would be back to an odd number, 7. Is there anyone out there privy to what is going on with this league or the teams? I was under the impression that they had a solid game plan.

[Pietsch Fan]

If San Diego is eliminated this year (looks likely) then that would leave 6 teams for '07. If Fullerton or Long Beach is eliminated next year (my vote is Fullerton, since Long Beach has such a kick ass field) and they add Vacaville or Santa Clara (another area they are aiming for) then they'd still be at 6 for '08. If they don't quit jerking around fans, though, they'll be hard up to find support for tiddly-winks on a street corner. :x

[DawgsBooster2]

I'm soooo cheesed with the GBL right now.

Aside from many personal hours, not a few tears, and more missed innings than I can count, I also gave them my hope (my bad, I know).

I didn't mind giving the free labor for the traveling minor league baseball museum. I din't mind getting to games 2 hours prior to help set up then run the spinny thingie, hand out prizes and put a happy, smiling face on the GBL. Those things I did because I loved my Dawgs and wanted nothing but good for them and if good for the Dawgs meant good for the GBL, well that was just gravy for them.

When all this started going down I asked and asked, nay, begged that we not be treated as badly as Surprise and Mesa. After all one would have thought they'd learned their lesson. Once again, my bad.

I'm so pissed right now. Not only about losing the Dawgs, but about how crappily (yes that's a made up word) the GBL thinks they can treat their core fans and still do well.

Long Beach and Fullerton aren't so far away. If San Diego fans were to be treated well by the GBL they'd probably head up for several games each season (I love Blair Field). But after being lied to? Not so much.

Seriously, I thought that the GBL would have changed their MO since closing Mesa and Surprise.

They market and strive to get the "carnival" feel at their games, to get the "carnival" folks to come out and see a show. Well, boys, here's the thing. People will go to the carnival or the circus once or twice a year, other than that, that's it. So you better start marketing and pandering to the sports fan and not so much the movie fan.

[Pietsch Fan]

Hee, thought you could come here and get a little heat going for your winter league and instead it forced you to announce early. What a shame. In case everyone hasn't heard, the Yuma Sun reported last night that the GBL is planning a winter league in Yuma. Wow, what a coincidence. Only thing is the article forgot to mention South Paw (of the former Surf Dawgs) as a possible mascot, too.

[DawgsBooster2]

Hee, thought you could come here and get a little heat going for your winter league and instead it forced you to announce early. What a shame. In case everyone hasn't heard, the Yuma Sun reported last night that the GBL is planning a winter league in Yuma. Wow, what a coincidence. Only thing is the article forgot to mention South Paw (of the former Surf Dawgs) as a possible mascot, too.

You're so right. I mean, really, who announces on a Wednesday?

[sun_kissed_yuman]

So now the GBL is excited to bring a month of winter ball to the town of Yuma?! If I recall, when the Yuma team was announced back in the fall of 2004 hundreds, if not thousands, of fans were wondering why they were playing during the hottest time of the year. I guess having games in the winter when Yuma's population is doubled would have made too much sense for those knuckleheads in Pleasanton.

Well, I'll tell you why I think the GBL is now anxious to bring the fans winter ball. It's not for the fans, it's for the GBL. Pure and simple. I don't think the GBL has ever been concerned with the fan experience. It's always been about money with them. I'd be willing to wager that the GBL is having such financial woes that trying - even at this late date - to put together a four-team mini-league to play a month of double-headers is the only remedy they can come up with to gain some quick gate receipts and get the collection calls to stop. Take a look at their investor page. The turnover in investors is at the same fast clip as the turnover in the staff of their teams' front offices. If some investor with an MBA is wise enough to pull up stakes what does that say about the GBL's staying power?

I, for one, lost all confidence in this league before the second season began. The GBL is a laughingstock. Dave Kaval at the league office is the only one with half a brain and he's unable to stop this train wreck from happening. And mark my words, the GBL train wreck WILL happen.

As much as I love baseball and as much as I supported the Yuma club initially, I simply am unable to spend another thin dime on this faux league. As I said in another post, the GBL runs off anyone with any business or baseball/sports knowledge leaving the teams to be run with virtually no experience. I want to witness quality baseball. I want my local team to be run with class and professionalism. When Brown, the inaugural season GM, left the Yuma front office went from being run professionally to being run now by a walking, talking, disorganized disaster.

I'll go to Phoenix, San Diego or Las Vegas for myriad entertainment options before I spend any money with this bogus, fly-by-night outfit.

And I think the GBL should apologize to all of the fans that they have disappointed with their poor decisions.

[preeths]

I fail to understand the hate and vitriol dished out at this league by a handful of posters. The GBL is not standing in the way of anyone else hoping to form an independent western league. After the WBL folded, anyone had the chance to step up and create an indy circuit in the West. No one else did. Why? Because everyone else thought it was a financial blood bath waiting to happen. For all its faults, and I'm sure the GBL has its share just like any other minor league, it brought indy baseball back to several communities.

Sure, they're going to run the league as cheaply as possible. You'd be nuts if you did not. That means good people are going to leave the league as their salary demands grow, and less-experienced people are going to take their place to gain experience. Some will work out, and some won't. That's the nature of independent and minor league ball. I for one give the league a lot of credit for making it through two seasons. It's more difficult than many realize.

[DawgsBooster2]

I'm not mad at the GBL for running things as cheaply as they can, any business does.... no worries there.

It's the lying that gets me angry.

[sun_kissed_yuman]

If the GBL is running things cheaply they missed a few of the budget items.

It's my understand that when they had Ricky Henderson and then Jose Cansenco this year that the GBL would fly those players all over to play, that they didn't have to ride the team bus with the other players.

And didn't I read a comment from another poster about the pay for the clubhouse managers being a lot more than those clubhouse managers in affiliated baseball?

I bet if an accountant with a baseball background - a financial guy who actually had experience working with baseball teams and/or leagues - looked at the records there would be some real cost-saving measures available to be implemented.

I'd sure be interested in hearing what the gblinsider has to say about the GBL doing things on the cheap.

[Pietsch Fan]

gblinsider has been quiet lately. Maybe they've told all they have to tell. Maybe they aren't a gblinsider anymore. I'd love to hear their take on recent events, though.

[LoveOTheGame]

I'm soooo cheesed with the GBL right now.

Aside from many personal hours, not a few tears, and more missed innings than I can count, I also gave them my hope (my bad, I know).

I didn't mind giving the free labor for the traveling minor league baseball museum. I din't mind getting to games 2 hours prior to help set up then run the spinny thingie, hand out prizes and put a happy, smiling face on the GBL. Those things I did because I loved my Dawgs and wanted nothing but good for them and if good for the Dawgs meant good for the GBL, well that was just gravy for them.

When all this started going down I asked and asked, nay, begged that we not be treated as badly as Surprise and Mesa. After all one would have thought they'd learned their lesson. Once again, my bad.

I'm so pissed right now. Not only about losing the Dawgs, but about how crappily (yes that's a made up word) the GBL thinks they can treat their core fans and still do well.

Long Beach and Fullerton aren't so far away. If San Diego fans were to be treated well by the GBL they'd probably head up for several games each season (I love Blair Field). But after being lied to? Not so much.

Seriously, I thought that the GBL would have changed their MO since closing Mesa and Surprise.

They market and strive to get the "carnival" feel at their games, to get the "carnival" folks to come out and see a show. Well, boys, here's the thing. People will go to the carnival or the circus once or twice a year, other than that, that's it. So you better start marketing and pandering to the sports fan and not so much the movie fan.

So, why is sdKennelClub.com no longer available on the web? Was it because not everyone in the league front office was bowing at your feet or not willing to acknowledge that you ran things better than the club front office staff did last year? Well, here is a little surprise, maybe, YOU DID NOT! You did not even keep your website up to date.

A booster club is just that, a group of fans gathered to bolster additional fan support for the club and provide a medium for other fans interested in team’s happenings. A booster club has NO say in the way the club runs. A booster club has NO say in who runs what programs at the club or the league level. The booster club is a strictly behind the scenes group of fans that donate their time and efforts in support of the team and the other fans.

From what I understand, the team’s batboy program was a prime example of why the booster club should not be involved in day-to-day operations of the ball club. This is not little league! A booster club member should not be allowed to manage such a program and in turn, should not be allowed to secure a “position” on the team for his/her child. A booster club member’s child gets to be the team’s permanent batboy/girl? What a deal! Sign me up! This type of activity takes opportunities away from other children who would love to be in the dugout of his/her home team. The way that program was supposedly run was inappropriate and should be considered a conflict of interest when managing such a program. In a professional baseball club (no matter what level), there are no “team moms”. Leave that to little league.

What did you personally expected to gain from your self-appointed positions? Did it you make this a better team? Was this an enjoyable source of entertainment solely at your own hands? On the other hand, was it your desire to get some special “perks” and “freebees” in return for your “hard work”? What were the perks? How many "freebees" did you walk away with? How many plates of free food or memorabilia did you enjoy at the cost of the club or league (which is supposedly floundering as indicate in several postings in this forum)?

You speak of lying and deceit by the league. Who is lying to or deceiving whom? Why are you so personally angry? Did you have a booster club for personal gain or was your club’s charter written to truly support the players and the ball club? Did you even have a charter?

Here’s a little thought about booster club conduct, if and when a booster club (or its members) is offered discounts, special treatment or perks, one should take a very respectful position to decline such offers as a booster club is there to support the team, not draw personal rewards for the booster clubs member’s time and efforts. What are the rewards for your personal time and effort? How about the thrill watching a team of professional ball players giving it all they have for the love of the game and in return, you have the opportunity to watch, enjoy and support those young men on the field as well as possible autograph from your favorite player.

This team and league may or may not survive, but its survival or demise is not impacted by your personal disdain of how the league is managed or how much heart and soul you put into it. It is a business, good or bad, it is a business and its success or demise will be determined by the teams’ (and league’s) abilities both on the field and in the front office. Which, once again (and finally) are of no concern of a booster club, no matter how much time and effort you personally put forth.

Just remember, every fan sitting in the stands is a booster for his/her team and they are there to cheer for their team and purchase that ever cherished piece of memorabilia just to show their pride and support for their team. Maybe, it is time to quit fussing about your personal time and efforts.

[Pietsch Fan]

So, why is sdKennelClub.com no longer available on the web? Was it because not everyone in the league front office was bowing at your feet or not willing to acknowledge that you ran things better than the club front office staff did last year? Well, here is a little surprise, maybe, YOU DID NOT! You did not even keep your website up to date. .

The web page is down because the Dawgs are down and out. We haven't decided if we're going to renew the url. We never expected the front office to bow at our feet. It was a mutally benificial relationship.

A booster club is just that, a group of fans gathered to bolster additional fan support for the club and provide a medium for other fans interested in team’s happenings. A booster club has NO say in the way the club runs. A booster club has NO say in who runs what programs at the club or the league level. The booster club is a strictly behind the scenes group of fans that donate their time and efforts in support of the team and the other fans.

From what I understand, the team’s batboy program was a prime example of why the booster club should not be involved in day-to-day operations of the ball club. This is not little league! A booster club member should not be allowed to manage such a program and in turn, should not be allowed to secure a “position” on the team for his/her child. A booster club member’s child gets to be the team’s permanent batboy/girl? What a deal! Sign me up! This type of activity takes opportunities away from other children who would love to be in the dugout of his/her home team. The way that program was supposedly run was inappropriate and should be considered a conflict of interest when managing such a program. In a professional baseball club (no matter what level), there are no “team moms”. Leave that to little league. .

The batboy program was run by an individual who volunteered before the booster club even started. It was run seperate from the booster club and did have several glitches that were going to be addressed by whoever was going to run the office in the next season.

What did you personally expected to gain from your self-appointed positions? Did it you make this a better team? Was this an enjoyable source of entertainment solely at your own hands? On the other hand, was it your desire to get some special “perks” and “freebees” in return for your “hard work”? What were the perks? How many "freebees" did you walk away with? How many plates of free food or memorabilia did you enjoy at the cost of the club or league (which is supposedly floundering as indicate in several postings in this forum)? .

Quite the opposite. Everyone bought food and merchandise (which we were given at a discount offered us by the office, not asked for or demanded). The booster club members were responsible for many new families attending games (and buying food and merchandise) as well as new host families for the club.

You speak of lying and deceit by the league. Who is lying to or deceiving whom? Why are you so personally angry? Did you have a booster club for personal gain or was your club’s charter written to truly support the players and the ball club? Did you even have a charter?.

We all have been lied to by the GBL. We're personnally angry because we were personally invested in the club and the league. Trust me, we supported the team and ball club quite well. I don't think you'll find anyone involved to tell you differently. As for a charter, we had a stated purpose and goal (which we met). Being that it was our first year, we aimed to start small, but actually ended up more successful than I think any of us thought we would.

Here’s a little thought about booster club conduct, if and when a booster club (or its members) is offered discounts, special treatment or perks, one should take a very respectful position to decline such offers as a booster club is there to support the team, not draw personal rewards for the booster clubs member’s time and efforts. What are the rewards for your personal time and effort? How about the thrill watching a team of professional ball players giving it all they have for the love of the game and in return, you have the opportunity to watch, enjoy and support those young men on the field as well as possible autograph from your favorite player. .

Why do you think we started the booster club? Everyone involved loved the game, the team, the players. Most of us were already supporting the players by hosting them. We didn't draw any personal rewards we weren't already getting before the booster club existed.

This team and league may or may not survive, but its survival or demise is not impacted by your personal disdain of how the league is managed or how much heart and soul you put into it. It is a business, good or bad, it is a business and its success or demise will be determined by the teams’ (and league’s) abilities both on the field and in the front office. Which, once again (and finally) are of no concern of a booster club, no matter how much time and effort you personally put forth. .

Amen! And the proof is in the pudding.

Just remember, every fan sitting in the stands is a booster for his/her team and they are there to cheer for their team and purchase that ever cherished piece of memorabilia just to show their pride and support for their team. Maybe, it is time to quit fussing about your personal time and efforts.


You seem to have a particular hardon for the booster club. Are you Fat Bastard or Fairy Boy?

[preeths]

We all have been lied to by the GBL.

What lies have they told you?

[DawgsBooster2]

LoveOfTheGame, stop sitting there imagining us on some imagined high horse because you will end up making yourself look foolish.

So, why is sdKennelClub.com no longer available on the web? Was it because not everyone in the league front office was bowing at your feet or not willing to acknowledge that you ran things better than the club front office staff did last year? Well, here is a little surprise, maybe, YOU DID NOT! You did not even keep your website up to date.

Maybe your knowledge of the Internet is limited but if you simply go to www.sdkennelclub.com you'll see that it is still there, the URL is completely valid still. The registration comes due in Dec, and we'll see then if we repurchase it or not. Depends on whether or not there is a team in SD as well as if there is a Kennel Club next year.

Most all of your post shows that you don't know nor understand Mary and I very well. There were thanks enough from the office. From Amit, and all his folks for the work we did. They appreciated it and the entire Kennel Club membership was happy to help in any way we could.

A booster club is just that, a group of fans gathered to bolster additional fan support for the club and provide a medium for other fans interested in team’s happenings. A booster club has NO say in the way the club runs. A booster club has NO say in who runs what programs at the club or the league level. The booster club is a strictly behind the scenes group of fans that donate their time and efforts in support of the team and the other fans.

Our goal was to support the players and raise $$, cash money, for them and also offer smaller niceties like food and drinks for road trips and a pre-season party (hosted by the Kennel Club) where we could welcome them to San Diego (some *back* to San Diego). We were able to give each and every spring training player a gift ranging from portable DVD players to food gift certs.

We never, ever, once tried to dictate how the front office was run.


From what I understand, the team’s batboy program was a prime example of why the booster club should not be involved in day-to-day operations of the ball club. This is not little league! A booster club member should not be allowed to manage such a program and in turn, should not be allowed to secure a “position” on the team for his/her child. A booster club member’s child gets to be the team’s permanent batboy/girl? What a deal! Sign me up! This type of activity takes opportunities away from other children who would love to be in the dugout of his/her home team. The way that program was supposedly run was inappropriate and should be considered a conflict of interest when managing such a program. In a professional baseball club (no matter what level), there are no “team moms”. Leave that to little league.

First let me say that the person running the batboy program was doing that before there even was a Kennel Club.... one had nothing AT ALL to do with the other.

Now let me say that I could not agree with this paragraph more if I tried to. I simply agree with all that you say here.

It was acknowledged as a problem and an issue and was going to be addressed by the Dawgs office before the start of the next season.

What did you personally expected to gain from your self-appointed positions? Did it you make this a better team? Was this an enjoyable source of entertainment solely at your own hands? On the other hand, was it your desire to get some special “perks” and “freebees” in return for your “hard work”? What were the perks? How many "freebees" did you walk away with? How many plates of free food or memorabilia did you enjoy at the cost of the club or league (which is supposedly floundering as indicate in several postings in this forum)?

Not so much self-appointed as asked to start a booster club...those who liked the idea voted and that's how everyone got their positions. Again, this shows how little you know about this subject.

You speak of lying and deceit by the league. Who is lying to or deceiving whom? Why are you so personally angry? Did you have a booster club for personal gain or was your club’s charter written to truly support the players and the ball club? Did you even have a charter?

We laid out ideas, voted on goals and met every single one of them... surpassing most.

There were lots of great, giving people in the Kennel Club and it was a fantastic experience to be a part of it all.

As for deceit, well, here is a snippet from a post I made to the GBL yahoo group edited to fit in with this post:

{begin snippet}
If, as Amit has told several of us personally, SDSU is shafting the GBL for hundreds of thousands of dollars, why was that not mentioned in the article? Where are the new offices? Who is manning this phantom office?

LoveOfTheGame, you can accept as gospel whatever the GBL spews, but I can't. I won't. There are lies upon lies and for no reason at all. None.

If the Dawgs are leaving, then so be it. Why lie? What good does it do? And one can't say that they aren't lying. They are.

The San Diego UT Article says:
1- Smaller office
2- renegotiation with SDSU
3- two people manning the fort
4- Amit is quoted as saying: "There's nothing going on in San Diego different than any other of our markets this time of year."

Amit has told us personally:
1a- they were putting the office in a storage facility and selling off the office furniture
2a- they will be perusing legal action against SDSU for some sort of breach of contract (see $$ comment)
3a- no one is working the phantom office, they're on involuntary administrative leave.
4a- the other offices aren't loading up in U-Hauls and moving into storage facilities

So what, of the above is true? Which are lies? I don't know. But I do know that one thing can't be two things at once. Either we're being lied to and everything is peaches and cream, or the UT was lied to and the Dawgs are in trouble.
{/end snippet}

Here’s a little thought about booster club conduct, if and when a booster club (or its members) is offered discounts, special treatment or perks, one should take a very respectful position to decline such offers as a booster club is there to support the team, not draw personal rewards for the booster clubs member’s time and efforts. What are the rewards for your personal time and effort? How about the thrill watching a team of professional ball players giving it all they have for the love of the game and in return, you have the opportunity to watch, enjoy and support those young men on the field as well as possible autograph from your favorite player.
[/qoute]

One perk we got, that I wasn't even aware of at first, was an employee discount for merch. Wow, no idea. I went to buy my son a new hat (his had gotten all gross in the off season) and the price I was told was WAY less than it should have been. I questioned it and was told it was a thank you from the Dawgs. Cool beans and thanks much right there.

As for player interaction, you're showing your @$$ again because most, not all, but most of the Kennel Club members were host families as well, some for more than one player. So, LoveOfTheGame, autographs were easy to come by as were personal interaction with the players. They appreciated what we were doing for them and had no problem showing it.

Our issue isn't with the players.

[quote]This team and league may or may not survive, but its survival or demise is not impacted by your personal disdain of how the league is managed or how much heart and soul you put into it. It is a business, good or bad, it is a business and its success or demise will be determined by the teams’ (and league’s) abilities both on the field and in the front office. Which, once again (and finally) are of no concern of a booster club, no matter how much time and effort you personally put forth.

Suuuure it's of our concern. If they do well, there is Surf Dawg baseball to watch, if they don't... there will be none. Dude, LoveOfTheGame, I hope that the GBL does survive...not only survive but flourish. I like baseball, my kid likes baseball, the players liked my kid. I'd love, love, love for the GBL and the Dawgs to do well. I hope everyone from top to bottom makes bushels of money.

I just don't take kindly to being lied to is all. And we are all being lied to.

Just remember, every fan sitting in the stands is a booster for his/her team and they are there to cheer for their team and purchase that ever cherished piece of memorabilia just to show their pride and support for their team. Maybe, it is time to quit fussing about your personal time and efforts.

My efforts are nothing to the combined efforts of the Kennel Club as a whole. Everything we did we did for the players and the players only.

I'll say it again; I hope the GBL and the Dawgs stay in San Diego. If they do, I'll be there with bells, cow bells that is.

[DawgsBooster2]

What lies have they told you?

The San Diego UT Article says:
1- Smaller office
2- renegotiation with SDSU
3- two people manning the fort
4- Amit is quoted as saying: "There's nothing going on in San Diego different than any other of our markets this time of year."

Amit has told us personally:
1a- they were putting the office in a storage facility and selling off the office furniture
2a- they will be perusing legal action against SDSU for some sort of breach of contract (see $$ comment)
3a- no one is working the phantom office, they're on involuntary administrative leave.
4a- the other offices aren't loading up in U-Hauls and moving into storage facilities

So what, of the above is true? Which are lies? I don't know. But I do know that one thing can't be two things at once. Either we're being lied to and everything is peaches and cream, or the UT was lied to and the Dawgs are in trouble.

[DawgsBooster2]

I bet if an accountant with a baseball background - a financial guy who actually had experience working with baseball teams and/or leagues - looked at the records there would be some real cost-saving measures available to be implemented.

And I hope that they do get that help. I'd love to have minor league baseball in San Diego for another year.

[preeths]

I don't know what you've been told, but I know these complaints predate the UT article.

[Pietsch Fan]

I don't know what you've been told, but I know these complaints predate the UT article.

They do predate the UT article. The UT article was just an expansion and addition of lies we had already been told. I think the last time Amit might have told us the truth was around September 18th. And even then I think the 8th team addition or the Dawgs deduction was already a decision made.

It's a shame, really, that the UT didn't call State and ask them for their side of the story. Or TK and ask him his side. You'd think TK not coming back next year would be news worthy. Especially in San Diego. All they did was repeat what Amit wanted them to say. Not bothering to check out what's true and what's not. Normal UT journalism practices.

[LoveOTheGame]

[QUOTE=Maybe your knowledge of the Internet is limited but if you simply go to www.sdkennelclub.com you'll see that it is still there, the URL is completely valid still. The registration comes due in Dec, and we'll see then if we repurchase it or not. Depends on whether or not there is a team in SD as well as if there is a Kennel Club next year.
[/qoute]

Thank you for your feedback. However, curious as to my own "limited" computer literacy, I clicked on your Uniform Resource Locater (URL) link quoted above (rather than trusting my own typing it into the browsers address bar). Unfortunately, when I attemted to access said URL by clicking the link you provided, my "limited" computer provided the following response:

The Web site cannot be found
The Web site you are looking for is unavailable due to its identification configuration settings.

Maybe you are unaware of your website's status. It can happen. Nevertheless, thank you for your response.

[DawgsBooster2]

[QUOTE=Maybe your knowledge of the Internet is limited but if you simply go to www.sdkennelclub.com you'll see that it is still there, the URL is completely valid still. The registration comes due in Dec, and we'll see then if we repurchase it or not. Depends on whether or not there is a team in SD as well as if there is a Kennel Club next year.
[/qoute]

Thank you for your feedback. However, curious as to my own "limited" computer literacy, I clicked on your Uniform Resource Locater (URL) link quoted above (rather than trusting my own typing it into the browsers address bar). Unfortunately, when I attemted to access said URL by clicking the link you provided, my "limited" computer provided the following response:

The Web site cannot be found
The Web site you are looking for is unavailable due to its identification configuration settings.

Maybe you are unaware of your website's status. It can happen. Nevertheless, thank you for your response.


Of allll the things you posted about and I replied to this is the one thing you wish to bring up? Funny, that.

I'd like to ask if anyone else is having issues with the page loading, or is it just LoveOfTheGame? I ask because it's still there, it's still up and has been getting hits all day.

[jaydensdadaz]

Bill,
like I said before don't listen to these breeders here that like to start stuff, yes they are having a winter league which is called the Arizona Winter League Presented By: Coca Cola and Time Warner cable, does that answer your question more and look on the site now and you will see all the updated stuff and the league starts Jan 15Th with games played from Jan 19th to Feb 17 I think, so yes round up the troops and email me privately for more info if you like, I'm in Yuma

[oregon_william]

As I posted prior, I have been following since my return the news on the league and the new winter season is interesting. I still look for more timely updates on the Scorpions page. Anyway, we remain unconvinced that the Golden Baseball League is legitimate. I know they've been active for a few years, but it seems with the teams coming and going and the office staff turnover is high we have to wonder. Where there's smoke there's fire, as the saying goes. I understand that it's an independent league and players, coaches and office staff move on, but it makes me wonder when SO many people leave, particularly when I read that some from the league front office left and also so many in the Scorpions office. And the turnover with sponsors further makes me question things.

I'm glad that this site is so active to keep people informed; difficult to tell what's fact and what's fiction. I suppose it's all publicity for the league no matter which.

As an aside, I think that sun kissed is not a disgruntled employee. I asked some year round folks about what the summer season is like and he told me there are quite a few upset host families and booster club members. Maybe that's it. Or could be an upset sponsor. Read another post from someone who claimed to be just that.