Vermont is nothing!!!!!!

[Corning Tax Payer]

Vermonts team = weak

rochesters team = solid but not as good as last years

buffalos team = the front runners

Corning Bulldogs = next years champions

Like i said vermont is made up of crappy d-2 and d-3 players and a few guys who played d-1 but were role players at best
just because you played on a good team but were not good does not mean you are good now , ok ?

It takes a good GM to make things happen , Vermont signed thier roster way to fast , Buffalo laid back and waited and landed a late cutt 7'2 center from the supersonics and another late NBA cutt in Kueth Duany the former star from syracuse university , face it Buffalo's talent is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr beyond that of Vermont , Vermont would be lucky to beat a high school team from Vermont .......oh wait they dont even use a shot clock yet in high school basketball in vermont , that should explain alot about the state of basketball in Vermont
:p

GO BULLDOGS!!!!!!!!!!

[rams80]

ROFLMAO

In this league its usually the ownership group that decides how good you are. Vermont's is one of the best in this league.

I'd worry about still having a team next year before talking smack about a team with that ownership group.

[Corning Tax Payer]

I do not care who the ownership is , when you have players as soft as Vermont's they are not going to stand up to the team Buffalo has put together , its just a fact. Like I said if you think Alex Wolf can take a below average roster full of d-2 and d-3 bums and win games against Buffalo and Rochester then maybe you should suit Alex Wolf up , like I said he suited up last year for Maryland in a stunt to get publicity for Vermont. Not only that but Vermont is playing on the smallest Courts in the history of Pro Basketball , why dont they just play in someones driveway , wouldnt the court be longer ?;)


Go Bulldogs!

[heavesrock]

one good players makes no team. The Silverbacks have one good player in Keuth Duany. Modie Cox shot like 28% from the field last year, Johnny Tyson(spiderman) is got to be the worst post player in the league. Actually, the game Wolff played in for Maryland was PR for Maryland because they knew would write about in SI. And Wolff actually played a season of pro ball in europe. Vermont has a starter from St. Joes when they went unfeated, another player from there who was 6th man of the year, another player who scored 40 points in one game at Hartford and leads the school in 3s made. They have local stars and d-2 stars. Those are the kind of players that play in the ABA. Don't talk about how bad Vermont is until you can beat them. Although I do agree Rochester is probably better.

[BasketballUSA]

Based on current rosters as of Oct 30th and past performance of players in the ABA or different leagues.


1. Rochester
2. Long island
3. Buffalo
4. Newark
5. Brooklyn
6. Montreal
7. Vermont
8. Quebec

Now if you were to rank on finances each team has:

1. Rochester
1.a Quebec Big printing company owner
2. Vermont * SI has to be somehow pumping money in
3. Long Island
4. Buffalo
5. Montreal
6. Brooklyn
7. Newark.... by a thread

[Corning Tax Payer]

Just as I said Vermont's roster is weak , Basketball USA ranked them at the bottom of the north east just as I do. As I also stated Rochester and Buffalo will be at the top , just as Basketball USA has stated.

Face it , a good sports writer from SI and a bad team , does not = wins


CORNING BULLDOGS!

[rams80]

Just as I said Vermont's roster is weak , Basketball USA ranked them at the bottom of the north east just as I do. As I also stated Rochester and Buffalo will be at the top , just as Basketball USA has stated.

Face it , a good sports writer from SI and a bad team , does not = wins


CORNING BULLDOGS!

See, here's the thing here, the mismanaged teams will fold/not pay their players, and then Vermont wins by default.

Anywho, what is your definition of bum? One D-3 school's castoff is another school's starter and vice-versa.

(For example, at the Division III school I attend, if you were cut from our basketball team, you'd still stand a pretty good chance of being good enough to start for most other teams.)

[Corning Tax Payer]

You are actually making reference to cutt d-3 basketball players and being good ?
If thats your best argument for Vermont's team being good then good luck.
The facts dont lie , they have a bad team , good managment but a bad team.
The managment wont be the ones trying to hang with the Buffalo's and Rochester's on the court this season so stop with all the great managment talk the facts are they didnt do a good job putting together a team ( wait I think that might mean they dotn have good managment ) damn so what does Vermont have ? A guy who can write a sports article ? And they have a roster full of weak former d-2 and d-3 players.
But then again we are talking about Vermont , a state in which has not even put a shot clock in the high school basketball game yet , HAHAHAHAHa:idea:

[rams80]

You are actually making reference to cutt d-3 basketball players and being good ?
If thats your best argument for Vermont's team being good then good luck.
The facts dont lie , they have a bad team , good managment but a bad team.
The managment wont be the ones trying to hang with the Buffalo's and Rochester's on the court this season so stop with all the great managment talk the facts are they didnt do a good job putting together a team ( wait I think that might mean they dotn have good managment ) damn so what does Vermont have ? A guy who can write a sports article ? And they have a roster full of weak former d-2 and d-3 players.
But then again we are talking about Vermont , a state in which has not even put a shot clock in the high school basketball game yet , HAHAHAHAHa:idea:

So...that still puts Vermont at being #3 in 40+ team league right now.

At this level, teams with better ownership typically do better than teams with crappy ownership, regardless of talent. That is why Vermont should be doing so well.

Anyway, I'd worry about having a team next year before I started talking smack about teams this year.

[Corning Tax Payer]

If Vermont has such good managment then why are they not the best team in even there region of play ? Even you say they are the third best team , USABasketball sais they are at the bottom of the North East Region and I agree with that. The fact is this "great managment" but together a "bad team" so again I ask what makes them so great ???? Does Alex Wolf being able to write an article make him great managment , if so then why are they not anywhere near as talented as Rochester and Buffalo and other teams in the North East. The fact is Alex Wolf is a hell of a sports writer with good ideas but no actions.

So what Vermont has is a bad team put together by Alex Wolf.
The smallest courts to play basketball on in the history of pro basketball.
Alex Wolf couldnt even get a real gym ?
And they play in a state in which no one could give a rats ass about basketball.
Suit Taylor Coppenrath up and you might actually win a game, but not even the "great Alex Wolf" could land him on the roster. Apparently he was to eager to scout at the last place games between d-3 and d-2 colleges.
:cry:

[rams80]

If Vermont has such good managment then why are they not the best team in even there region of play ? Even you say they are the third best team , USABasketball sais they are at the bottom of the North East Region and I agree with that. The fact is this "great managment" but together a "bad team" so again I ask what makes them so great ???? Does Alex Wolf being able to write an article make him great managment , if so then why are they not anywhere near as talented as Rochester and Buffalo and other teams in the North East. The fact is Alex Wolf is a hell of a sports writer with good ideas but no actions.

So what Vermont has is a bad team put together by Alex Wolf.
The smallest courts to play basketball on in the history of pro basketball.
Alex Wolf couldnt even get a real gym ?
And they play in a state in which no one could give a rats ass about basketball.
Suit Taylor Coppenrath up and you might actually win a game, but not even the "great Alex Wolf" could land him on the roster. Apparently he was to eager to scout at the last place games between d-3 and d-2 colleges.
:cry:

Never mind the Northeast is about the only part of the ABA that isn't a complete fracking joke...

The ABA won't allow Vermont to turn into a complete disaster-if it does, the proverbial jig is up and they would get trashed so badly in a national sporting publication that they'd run out of suckers to pay the franchise fee. By the same token, Wolf probably has enough business skills to run this team; he doesn't strike me as being like most of the other Joe Blow owners in this league.

I'm just curious where you're getting this "smallest" court stuff from (never mind that having a fracking place to play period puts them above half the teams in this league).

As for the blatant bashing of the state of Vermont...What's your problem with the state anyway? Did they exile you/have an outstanding warrant for you? Did you get a traffic ticket there? Did you get cut from the Vermont basketball team?

If I were to make any judgement as to why the "talent" "is not" at Vermont, I would speculate that it would be because other markets such as Rochester and Buffalo are larger, closer to home for the players, and they feel they can get better exposure there as opposed to uber-small market Vermont.

This brings me to the unpleasant subject of Corning, New York...(well, you know where this one's headed).

[Corning Tax Payer]

And as far as Corning , NY goes , I am confident the owners will put a top notch coaching staff together , perhaps someone who has played for famous coaches and is famous and that will draw in top talent. Corning has a year to get things together , I think the right place to start would be in getting a great coaching staff together and then they will have a great roster unlike Vermont who doesent even know what a shot clock is yet! Face it Alex Wolf got Vermont great publicity because of who he was but for what ever reason he put together one of the biggest let downs roster wise in professional basketball history. Corning wont have such high expecations as Vermont and Alex Wolf did when they dropped the ball , however Corning will compete with the best in the North East Region next year and Vermont will be in the basement or out playing on thier mini courts :-?

[rams80]

Lets do this point by point...

And as far as Corning , NY goes , I am confident the owners will put a top notch coaching staff together , perhaps someone who has played for famous coaches and is famous and that will draw in top talent.

I'll believe that when I see it (most "famous coaches" wouldn't be caught dead affiliated with this league, and even if you did land a coach, there's the whole "Corning's in the middle of nowhere" problem).

Corning has a year to get things together , I think the right place to start would be in getting a great coaching staff together and then they will have a great roster unlike Vermont who doesent even know what a shot clock is yet!

The shot clock argument is bordering on ridiculous. Illinois' high schools don't have a shot clock, and nobody argues that Illinoisans suck at basketball or are poor basketball fans.

Face it Alex Wolf got Vermont great publicity because of who he was but for what ever reason he put together one of the biggest let downs roster wise in professional basketball history.

I believe the last couple of New York Knicks teams have that title locked up.

Corning wont have such high expecations as Vermont and Alex Wolf did when they dropped the ball , however Corning will compete with the best in the North East Region next year and Vermont will be in the basement or out playing on thier mini courts :-?

What the hell man?! You say they will have limited expectations and then have them going on to challenge for the ABA title?! Bashing of Vermont aside, your team isn't even playing this year, so you have little right to predict where they and Vermont will be. You can talk smack when your team is actually playing, but otherwise you have little right to bash Vermont like this.

[Sam Hill]

Hyperbole is fun!

How insufferable do you think this guy is going to be when he actually has a team to cheer for?

[heavesrock]

You continue you saying that Vermont's players suck when they have a D-1 6th man of the year, a starter at St. Joe's, a starter at George Mason, and the Hartford University record 3-point shooter. They don't have d-3 bums, NO ONE on that team graduated from a d-3 school. They have D-2 Stars. Lets wait and see who your team signs. As for Buffalo, their roster is not as good as everyone thinks. Spiderman is a TERRIBLE post player, he gets pushed around everywhere, and Tim Winn is gone. One player(Kueth Duany) will not win you many ballgames. The reason Rochester is higher than Vermont is because they have been around a year and won the Championship. Don't talk bad about how bad everyone elses players are when you don't even have any. And seriously, what do you have against Vermont? Did SI write about your favorite player badly? Did you get arrested in that state? Also, I have seen many high school games in many states and NONE of them had shot clocks. I even went to a game in New York and there were no shot clocks. Also, Vermont plays in a arena with a small court because those arenas are the best around. Barre Auditorium is a Vermont basketball shrine. Memorial Auditorium will a completely new court this year for the Heaves. Playing in those is better than the run-down high school y'all will play in. Don't bash anyone else when your team has no players, no coach, no venue, and probably no money.

[Pounder]

You realize that this is kind of funny.

One poster is not too subtly trying to actually talk about ABA competition.

I haven't interceded until now because I refuse to concede that kind of discussion to Joe Newman. If teams in this league were really worth their salt, they'd have kicked the guy to the curb by now. Frankly, buying into this league is, to me, the first sign that you're not that smart.

I might be willing to give a free pass to Alex Wolff on this simply because I would like to see this become an investigation. On another hand, arguably, he's got a better story if the Frost Heaves draw 50 per game rather than 2,000. On a third hand, well, we don't really know the motivation here. I'm not holding my breath.

BTW, Terry Porter, Wisconsin-Stevens Point, and Jerome Kersey, Longwood College, still two of my favorites ever to play the game.

[heavesrock]

I'm just tired of CTP bragging about a team that doesn't exist. He seems to have something against Vermont and SI. Maybe he was kicked out of the state for stupidity.

[Fells]

Heaves,

You forgot to mention B.J. Robertson who was a standout in high school and at Saint Michael's College where he was a 1,000 point scorer. Good touch, good range, and he busts his tail to rebound.

[heavesrock]

I think I have figured this whole thing out. CTP knows that Vermont has a good roster and management and knows his team will suck, so he bashes Vermont trying to brainwash people into believing it.

My NE ABA rankings are:
1. Rochester
2. Vermont
3. Cape Cod
4. Strong Island
5. Buffalo
6. Montreal
7. Brooklyn
8. Quebec

[heavesrock]

buffalos team = the front runners


Like i said vermont is made up of crappy d-2 and d-3 players and a few guys who played d-1 but were role players at best
just because you played on a good team but were not good does not mean you are good now , ok ?

It takes a good GM to make things happen , Vermont signed thier roster way to fast , Buffalo laid back and waited and landed a late cutt 7'2 center from the supersonics and another late NBA cutt in Kueth Duany the former star from syracuse university , face it Buffalo's talent is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr beyond that of Vermont
:p

GO BULLDOGS!!!!!!!!!!


After listening to Buffalo get beat by Detroit, I'm even less impressed by your wonderful Silverbacks. They don't have the ability to know the definition of a Silverback, much less the ability to beat a team that was weak last year. The final score was 109-100. I hope Buffalo has success, but they aren't as good as you proclaim them to be.

[psbf]

According to their website, the Silverbacks nearly had a full house. I hope that continues, despite the score.

Also a final; Newark 102, Richmond 92. No report on South Alabama at Tennessee yet. I hope they do as well with their attendence.

[psbf]

Tennessee 120, Southern Alabama 113 in overtime

[bectond]

The overall talent level in the ABA is not that high (Vermont included) and of the top 265 American players that went undrafted last year only one signed with an ABA team.
Check out the link http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=4053

[utahstarsticketholder]

Corning tax payer, you kill me! Hey isn't corning a plate?
The real power in the ABA is the Utah Dream!!!!! Next year we're gonna kick some .......oh never mind.....What I meant to say is......
The real power in the CBA next year will be the Utah Eagles.....never mind...

The point Corningware....is until the team plays on the court your opinion doesn't matter....now I still think it's Joe in corning posting or a clone!

How about the Jazz? Now they have lost a game here come the no shows and the boos again this season.... this team is the Rodney Dangerfield of pro basketball , only they are overpriced and unentertaining.

Have a great day!

[psbf]

Corning, N.Y., is the town where they make plates and chinaware.

But getting back to the topic, Vermont lost in Quebec City, in overtime, before a sellout of 900.

[heavesrock]

Eh, they should have won but blew a 25 point halftime lead, unlike the Silverbacks, they actually had a lead to blow. The attendance was 1,232 at the Silverbacks game and the arena seats 3,500. Not packed at all.

[psbf]

I was going by what I read on the Silverbacks website, that it was nearly packed.

[Chuck the Writer]

The Heaves aren't starting their season off like gangbusters. Lost 108-100 to Les Kebekwa du Quebec City in overtime Friday night. Next up for the Frost Heaves will be Les Matrix du Montreal.

And don't give me any grief about my French. I know it's tres mal.

[TEN]

Wow! I guess any town that does have a high school gym with REAL bleachers can have an ABA team!

I thought there was a league rule that you have to have 2 or 3 thousand seats...

[Fells]

The Heaves aren't starting their season off like gangbusters. Lost 108-100 to Les Kebekwa du Quebec City in overtime Friday night. Next up for the Frost Heaves will be Les Matrix du Montreal.

And don't give me any grief about my French. I know it's tres mal.

My French is worse, trust me.

Heaves beat Montreal on Sunday, open up at home on Thursday night.

[psbf]

I did read, last year, that the break even point for the league is over 2,100(or something like that). Teams have to average that, to break even. But look at teams like Maryland and Bellingham who play in facilities with a little more than 1,000. If they can compete, then I don't think it really matters.

[Sam Hill]

Wow! I guess any town that does have a high school gym with REAL bleachers can have an ABA team!

I thought there was a league rule that you have to have 2 or 3 thousand seats...

Heh-heh.

He said "League rule."

(chortle)

[psbf]

Well, if it is a league rule, then I guess teams like Maryland, Bellingham, Gallup, etc., would be ineligable to compete. If the league stuck to the rules that is. How many teams do you think we would have left,--30?

[heavesrock]

This is a list of teams which do not play in a 3,000 seat venue:

Bellingham Slam
Big Valley Shockwave
Brooklyn Wonders
Cape Cod Frenzy
Chicago Rockstars
Detroit Panthers
Fresno Heatwave
Gallup Outlaws
Houston Undertakers
King County Royals
Knoxville Noise
Las Vegas Venom
Maryland Nighthawks
MAywood Buzz
Minnesota Ripknees
Mississippi Miracles
Montreal Matrix
Arkansas Aeros
Peoria Kings
Quad Cities Riverhawks
Quebec City Kebekwa
San Diego Wildcats
St. Louis Stunners
STrong Island Sound
Tennessee Mud Frogs
Texas Tycoons
Vermont Frost Heaves*
Wilmington Sea Dogs

*The Frost Heaves play in 2 venues. One seats 3,000 but the other only seats 1,650

So much for league rules.

[bectond]

I just came up with a great idea for an ABA Franchise.
Play outside on a outdoor basketball court on a beach in southern cal.
Cover up the gate with sponsor signs and have standing room only tickets.
The rent would be really cheap and charge local playground players $150 for a try-out. I'm surprised somebody has not tried this already, i'm thinking about putting together an ownership group of 100 obtuse guys that are willing to fork over $101 a piece for 1% ownership in my idea.

Any takers?

http://www.beach-basketball.com/imagens/saida1-peq.jpg

http://www.beach-basketball.com/english/pictures.htm

[psbf]

I just came up with that figure out of nowhere, but wow, that was pretty close.

[Fells]

This is a list of teams which do not play in a 3,000 seat venue:

Bellingham Slam
Big Valley Shockwave
Brooklyn Wonders
Cape Cod Frenzy
Chicago Rockstars
Detroit Panthers
Fresno Heatwave
Gallup Outlaws
Houston Undertakers
King County Royals
Knoxville Noise
Las Vegas Venom
Maryland Nighthawks
MAywood Buzz
Minnesota Ripknees
Mississippi Miracles
Montreal Matrix
Arkansas Aeros
Peoria Kings
Quad Cities Riverhawks
Quebec City Kebekwa
San Diego Wildcats
St. Louis Stunners
STrong Island Sound
Tennessee Mud Frogs
Texas Tycoons
Vermont Frost Heaves*
Wilmington Sea Dogs

*The Frost Heaves play in 2 venues. One seats 3,000 but the other only seats 1,650

So much for league rules.

Which one of the two in Vermont seats 3,000? Memorial is only about 2,000, and the Aud is less than that.

[heavesrock]

Ok, sorry. I read in the a article(either Times Argus, Free Press, or Alex Wolff's blog on SI) that it seating 3,000. The Aud seats 1,650 I believe.

[heavesrock]

I did read, last year, that the break even point for the league is over 2,100(or something like that). Teams have to average that, to break even. But look at teams like Maryland and Bellingham who play in facilities with a little more than 1,000. If they can compete, then I don't think it really matters.

If the break even point for the league is 2,100, that's a problem. Let's look at a list of teams that averaged 2,100 fans per game last year:

Rochester

I don't think they want a 1 team league.

[bdaly]

There is no hard breakeven point. Some teams pay pennies to play in gyms, while others shell out money to play in nice arenas. Some teams use most of the $120,000 salary cap, while others pay guys a nominal fee per game. Rochester plays in a large arena and pays many players good money, so the breakeven is likely at or above that number. But, someone that plays at a gym and gives guys $50 or $100 a game is going to have a much more modest breakeven.

[psbf]

Well, I read that Jacksonville had 2,500 turnout for their opener, which is pretty good(I think) and Wilmington had over 1,200 for theirs. Time will tell if that continues, though.

[Sam Hill]

bdaly is correct, there's no one breakeven point for the whole league.

The breakeven point for a team would be their budgeted expenses divided by 18 home games divided by their average ticket price (this ignores other revenue streams, but if you're getting 89 people at a game, you're not getting much in terms of cash sponsorships or parking/concessions/ancillary revenue).

I think you'd find that whatever individual teams' breakeven points are, they're substantially above what they're currently pulling in paid attendance, or what they're likely to pull in.

There are probably fewer than 10 ABA teams who could even have a chance to lose a reasonable amount of money, much less think about breaking even or making a profit.

[Fells]

Hey, does anyone know why the Minnesota/Toledo game was cancelled? Did another team bite the dust?

[psbf]

The last I checked, the Toledo Ice still did not have a website, so I'm guessing that they are still in financial trouble. I thought I remembered seeing that they played one game. But they may be the next to be gone.
Their game in Minnesota is said to be re-scheduled

[Ken, Steelheads fan]

I just came up with a great idea for an ABA Franchise.
Play outside on a outdoor basketball court on a beach in southern cal.
Cover up the gate with sponsor signs and have standing room only tickets.
The rent would be really cheap and charge local playground players $150 for a try-out. I'm surprised somebody has not tried this already, i'm thinking about putting together an ownership group of 100 obtuse guys that are willing to fork over $101 a piece for 1% ownership in my idea.

Any takers?

http://www.beach-basketball.com/imagens/saida1-peq.jpg

http://www.beach-basketball.com/english/pictures.htm


Main Entry: ob·tuse
Pronunciation: äb-'tüs, &b-, -'tyüs
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): ob·tus·er; -est
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obtusus blunt, dull, from past participle of obtundere to beat against, blunt, from ob- against + tundere to beat -- more at OB-, CONTUSION
2 a : lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : INSENSITIVE, STUPID b : difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression

Hmmmmmm. Yeah, I guess I'm an obtuse sort of person...but I wouldn't give you $101 for a sport no one is interested in. Just look at the photo galleries for the above links. No one is interested. I'll also bet those sponsorship signs are leftover from a beach volleyball tournament.

How ironic! Someone recently asked me to return to playing beach volleyball this summer (strictly amateur stuff). Beach volleyball continues to be the craze! I don't think a bunch of barefooted dudes slam-dunking a sandy basketball will catch on.

BTW, Gary is known for its excellent lakefront beaches in addition to its high murder rate.

[heavesrock]

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5695391&nav=menu183_4_2

Video highlights from Vermont game.

http://timesargus.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=197855

And tell me what you see isn't a packed house.

Oh, by the way, 5 stories ran about the Frost Heaves game today in the newspapers.

[psbf]

I saw that in one of the articles, Heavesrock. Very impressive, I think! How much does that place hold(I thought I read a couple thousand)? Hopefully it will be the same all around result in their other place.

[heavesrock]

The Barre Aud seats 1,650, although to pack that many people in it would be really cramped. A Frost Heaves staff member told the crowd was about 1,300. The place looked packed in the pics, there were lots of sponsors, and the basketball guy from the news channel was there.

[psbf]

I hope things continue looking up for your team. You and your fans deserve it

[Fells]

I saw the pictures of the Frost Heaves game, and it looked like a great atmosphere. I talked to a couple of people who went and they said they love the style of play, and it was a very good experience. I am going to try to get to the game in Burlington tonight(I have PA for a college basketball tournament this afternoon) so I can see it for myself.

From what I have heard about the opener, this is a team that can have strong success at the gate. Vermont is a different animal in the fact we love sports of all kinds. Having professional basketball in our cold little state is something I think will do well. Alex has marketed the team VERY well through TV and radio, along with countless appearances at parades, shows, etc. Note to all ABA owners, look at the Frost Heaves; Alex has done it all correctly.

[ABARedWhiteBlue]

Vermonts team = weak
rochesters team = solid but not as good as last years
buffalos team = the front runners
Corning Bulldogs = next years champions

Like i said vermont is made up of crappy d-2 and d-3 players and a few guys who played d-1 but were role players at best
just because you played on a good team but were not good does not mean you are good now , ok ?

It takes a good GM to make things happen , Vermont signed thier roster way to fast , Buffalo laid back and waited and landed a late cutt 7'2 center from the supersonics and another late NBA cutt in Kueth Duany the former star from syracuse university , face it Buffalo's talent is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr beyond that of Vermont , Vermont would be lucky to beat a high school team from Vermont .......oh wait they dont even use a shot clock yet in high school basketball in vermont , that should explain alot about the state of basketball in Vermont
:p
GO BULLDOGS!!!!!!!!!!
and
Players ?
________________________________________
I do not care who the ownership is , when you have players as soft as Vermont's they are not going to stand up to the team Buffalo has put together , its just a fact. Like I said if you think Alex Wolf can take a below average roster full of d-2 and d-3 bums and win games against Buffalo and Rochester then maybe you should suit Alex Wolf up , like I said he suited up last year for Maryland in a stunt to get publicity for Vermont. Not only that but Vermont is playing on the smallest Courts in the history of Pro Basketball , why dont they just play in someones driveway , wouldnt the court be longer ?
also...
Basketball USA has it right
________________________________________
Just as I said Vermont's roster is weak , Basketball USA ranked them at the bottom of the north east just as I do. As I also stated Rochester and Buffalo will be at the top , just as Basketball USA has stated.

Face it , a good sports writer from SI and a bad team , does not = wins
still more...
R u kidding me ?
________________________________________
You are actually making reference to cutt d-3 basketball players and being good ?
If thats your best argument for Vermont's team being good then good luck.
The facts dont lie , they have a bad team , good managment but a bad team.
The managment wont be the ones trying to hang with the Buffalo's and Rochester's on the court this season so stop with all the great managment talk the facts are they didnt do a good job putting together a team ( wait I think that might mean they dotn have good managment ) damn so what does Vermont have ? A guy who can write a sports article ? And they have a roster full of weak former d-2 and d-3 players.
But then again we are talking about Vermont , a state in which has not even put a shot clock in the high school basketball game yet , HAHAHAHAHa
almost done...
Get Real
________________________________________
If Vermont has such good managment then why are they not the best team in even there region of play ? Even you say they are the third best team , USABasketball sais they are at the bottom of the North East Region and I agree with that. The fact is this "great managment" but together a "bad team" so again I ask what makes them so great ???? Does Alex Wolf being able to write an article make him great managment , if so then why are they not anywhere near as talented as Rochester and Buffalo and other teams in the North East. The fact is Alex Wolf is a hell of a sports writer with good ideas but no actions.

So what Vermont has is a bad team put together by Alex Wolf.
The smallest courts to play basketball on in the history of pro basketball.
Alex Wolf couldnt even get a real gym ?
And they play in a state in which no one could give a rats ass about basketball.
Suit Taylor Coppenrath up and you might actually win a game, but not even the "great Alex Wolf" could land him on the roster. Apparently he was to eager to scout at the last place games between d-3 and d-2 colleges.
and finally...
Vermont sucks deal with it
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And as far as Corning , NY goes , I am confident the owners will put a top notch coaching staff together , perhaps someone who has played for famous coaches and is famous and that will draw in top talent. Corning has a year to get things together , I think the right place to start would be in getting a great coaching staff together and then they will have a great roster unlike Vermont who doesent even know what a shot clock is yet! Face it Alex Wolf got Vermont great publicity because of who he was but for what ever reason he put together one of the biggest let downs roster wise in professional basketball history. Corning wont have such high expecations as Vermont and Alex Wolf did when they dropped the ball , however Corning will compete with the best in the North East Region next year and Vermont will be in the basement or out playing on thier mini courts

:cry: Sniff..... I miss our biggest CornDog fan. Where are you CTP?

[The Magician]

should have been ..

Vermont is Everything ...

#1 Team in the ABA ... and the 2006-2007 ABA Franchise of the Year! :mrgreen:

[jamesaba]

what a bunch of moronic cr@p that was!

first of all, what d2 or d3 guys is he talking about? Last time I checked that there was 8 D1 players in their top 10 rotation.

Bennett, Austin, Barley, Burks, Mickens, Levett, Konare, and Bryant all played D1 college ball.

Creddle and Parker played D2 but believe me they are D1 talent.

Hyman, who was added long after this guy's posts, played d3 but he is 6'10 with a fairly good pro resume.

You can't count the other 3-4 players cause they're Vermont locals or played college ball in the area and fan favorites - not the reason for the team's success on the court.

[rams80]

I'm pretty sure CTP became ABA06er aka Tom Chichester.

[Alumni96]

With their anti-Vermont and anti-Alex Wolf rants, those posts sound more like A1sports. :rolleyes:

[heavesrock]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was A1. BTW, Trav Bennett was defensive player of the year at Minnesota, so you can kinda count him.

[gostlouis]

So, Vermont is nothing huh? Time for you to eat your words on that one Corning Tax Payer.