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preeths

10-10-2006, 04:03 PM

Here's some more info on Jeremy Golden:

Director of Development in Florida for the NIFL:

http://www.ohpark.com/blog/index.php/2004/08/10/pro-football-league-sets-sights-on-play-at-silver-spurs-arena/

and

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3079367

Vice President of Centurion Sports Management:

http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?archive_id=0&page_id=900669895&page_url=%2f%2fwww.nationalindoorfootballleague.ne t%2finside%2fnews%2f082604nifl.htm&page_last_updated=11%2f14%2f2004+6%3a18%3a54+PM&firstName=Jeremy&lastName=Golden

Golden leaves Centurion and the NIFL:

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3126566

Former Tri-City Diesel quarterback?

http://www.theindependent.com/stories/031101/fea_diesel11.html

He is 30 years old, and as recently as five years ago he was working in radio (not a high-paying job) and as an indoor football quarterback. Where is this money to purchase the Freedom coming from?

Malepig

10-10-2006, 04:44 PM

All I know is that everything is in check and he has the qualifications to be an owner or part of an ownership group financially.

rams80

10-10-2006, 05:25 PM

All I know is that everything is in check and he has the qualifications to be an owner or part of an ownership group financially.

Or it's more likely the only qualification he has that the af2 cares about is that he wants to have a team in an already occupied market.

Malepig

10-10-2006, 05:43 PM

You have proof of this? Otherwise all you are doing is the same anti-af2 garbage you have spewed before. Show this proof of what you said.

rams80

10-10-2006, 05:51 PM

You have proof of this? Otherwise all you are doing is the same anti-af2 garbage you have spewed before. Show this proof of what you said.

The proof is in the af2's actions regarding other markets this offseason.

The proof is in the failure of the af2 reality show that he was the backer for just this summer (which ended up with a host of unpaid bills and running out of money).

The proof is in his past affiliation with the NIFL and CSM.

If Kurz was still about honest due diligence, he wouldn't let this guy touch an af2 franchise with a ten-foot pole, no matter if the initial check cleared.

BTW, how are things in Huntsville? Looks like you have a one-and-done on your hands potentially.

preeths

10-10-2006, 06:02 PM

I've been rams80's biggest critic on the anti-af2 stance he sometimes goes out of the way to make, but on this issue he certainly has reason to wonder about this guy. Maybe there are some good answers as to how Mr. Golden is pulling this off. I'm sure af2 has researched him. I just haven't seen those answers yet, and the CSM ties are more than enough to make me wonder.

Malepig

10-10-2006, 08:52 PM

He has no proof other than his usual hate campgaign. He should at least bring something other than parrot what you found by now.

rams80

10-10-2006, 09:09 PM

He has no proof other than his usual hate campgaign. He should at least bring something other than parrot what you found by now.

I found the initial link about him and CSM, and the article about the failure of the Jacksonville Wizards (of course you know that, you've seen me post them elsewhere.) Check this thread and look at the timestamp.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/boards/showthread.php?t=3690&page=3

Malepig

10-10-2006, 10:35 PM

Actually since you just lied, the initial post about the jacksonville wizards was from many people before you copied. The problem is you bring nothing except for you af2 hate. The least you can do is find out information on your own and bring it for once instead of your campaign of hate.

rams80

10-10-2006, 10:48 PM

Malepig

10-10-2006, 10:50 PM

No, you just copied from what was a publically known story. But you will try to claim to keep your hate campaign going. Too bad it isn't working.

rams80

10-10-2006, 11:05 PM

No, you just copied from what was a publically known story. But you will try to claim to keep your hate campaign going. Too bad it isn't working.

I'm not sure how many people figured noticed his involvement in this.

Although to be honest, if this involvement was as publicly known as you claim it is, the fact that the af2, which you are only a puppet for, is still going to let this guy own a team is even more damning.

There is no way the af2 comes out of this one looking good.

preeths

10-10-2006, 11:07 PM

Malepig, who cares who found what first?! Honestly, the information is the information, and most of us don't care who found it first. Making an issue of such a thing is a poor way of trying to destroy someone's credibility. Yes, rams80 is anti-af2. We know that, but in this case he has asked some good questions. More on this later.

nksports

10-10-2006, 11:55 PM

I'm normally not an af2 basher, but if they are dealing with anyone with CSM ties, I would start to wonder about some people's sanity. I read in some story (I can't remember where, but there was a link from OSC) that the af2 has dropped its capitalization requirements and franchise fees in about half, but that still makes it a mid-six-figure investment instead of seven figures, just to put a team on the field.
There are just too many weird things about this.

preeths

10-11-2006, 12:46 AM

I'll say this for Mr. Golden, he wasn't with Centurion for long. I talked with two former CSM employees today, and neither remembered him, as he had left the organization before the season started. From our archives, you can see he was gone before mid-February, at least a month before the NIFL season began. He most likely was not a party to the pattern of nonpayment that plagued CSM's operation of its NIFL franchises that year. Who knows, it may be one of the reasons he left. I know several people who worked for Centurion, and I would consider them victims of what happened, not perpetrators. We have to be careful about considering someone guilty by association, a brief one at that.

As for the Jacksonville thing, it is perplexing, but if anyone knows all the details behind it, af2 does. It was partially their baby after all. We'll continue to examine Mr. Golden's record in the meantime. In the end, the proof will be in the pudding. af2 has yet to cancel a scheduled game, largely because of its stringent ownership requirements. I don't think they're going to allow one owner to mess up that record.

fwp

10-11-2006, 08:51 AM

I'll say this for Mr. Golden, he wasn't with Centurion for long. I talked with two former CSM employees today, and neither remembered him, as he had left the organization before the season started. From our archives, you can see he was gone before mid-February, at least a month before the NIFL season began. He most likely was not a party to the pattern of nonpayment that plagued CSM's operation of its NIFL franchises that year. Who knows, it may be one of the reasons he left. I know several people who worked for Centurion, and I would consider them victims of what happened, not perpetrators. We have to be careful about considering someone guilty be association, a brief one at that.

As for the Jacksonville thing, it is perplexing, but if anyone knows all the details behind it, af2 does. It was partially their baby after all. We'll continue to examine Mr. Golden's record in the meantime. In the end, the proof will be in the pudding. af2 has yet to cancel a scheduled game, largely because of its stringent ownership requirements. I don't think they're going to allow one owner to mess up that record.

Not to be annoying, but just so's you remember me.

I have seen a schedule of cancelled af2 games. Our first game was supposed to be in Hawaii.

preeths

10-11-2006, 11:08 AM

I don't think most count those Lincoln games any more than they do the Charlotte or Hammond games in the NIFL last year. It's more like a final revision of the schedule.

fwp

10-11-2006, 11:10 AM

I don't think most count those Lincoln games any more than they do the Charlotte or Hammond games in the NIFL last year. It's more like a final revision of the schedule.

The af2 schedule was released.

I'm not sure if Charlotte or Hammond were on a NIFL league released schedule last year or not. It seems like the league was more than a little tardy releasing a schedule as we were piecing schedules together by what individual teams were announcing.

Plus.......perhaps the Charlotte and Hammond games aren't counted because it's hard enough to keep count of the cancelled games from the NIFL this last season as it is.

preeths

10-11-2006, 12:31 PM

Yep, Charlotte and Hammond were both on the schedule, at least two weeks before the season started. If memory serves, I think the first game of the season was supposed to be in Charlotte. I know because we had to revise our NIFL schedule numerous times in the last week before the season began. You're right, though. That all kind of gets lost after the NIFL cancelled nearly two dozen games last year.

preeths

10-31-2006, 03:47 PM

Fort Wayne should be announced in af2 this week.

Malepig

10-31-2006, 03:56 PM

Just got the word, it is finally done.

rams80

10-31-2006, 04:18 PM

(plays taps) (gets franchise headstone ready)

Rest in Peace, Freedom.

Minor League Man

10-31-2006, 04:23 PM

I hear the Horsemen might be coming along too.

rams80

10-31-2006, 04:42 PM

Bashing aside...

Golden's the owner.

Has anyone gotten a rational explanation out of him for what happened with the reality show and gotten assurances out of him that something similar won't happen in Fort Wayne?

Malepig

10-31-2006, 05:40 PM

rams80

10-31-2006, 05:48 PM

It was just a concept and nothing more. The point is that the Golden ownership group has met the financial requirements. Second is that that if it wasn't for the af2 there would be no indoor football in Fort Wayne for 2007.

http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGB5AE706QE.html

This article makes it sound like it was a lot further along than a "concept"

I bet the old owners in Huntsville also "met the requirements".

I doubt Fort Wayne would have gone sans indoor football; too many leagues were rumored to have stand-bye ownership groups for that to happen.

Malepig

10-31-2006, 07:37 PM

Tv is full of concepts. But your post is more about slamming the af2 and so be it. Just buy a ticket and enjoy the game.

rams80

10-31-2006, 08:29 PM

Tv is full of concepts.

Do most TV concepts end in a host of unpaid bills?

Pounder

11-01-2006, 10:14 AM

I'm just chiming in...

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DA duh duh DA dae duh-duh-duh-duh du duh duh duh-duh-duh-duh du duh duh-DA-duh duh-DA-duh

Perhaps you can have too much John Williams, but it's a pretty high threshhold.

See, rams, you make it too much fun when you're frustrated. :D

preeths

11-02-2006, 12:07 AM

And the latest chapter in the seemingly never-ending saga of Fort Wayne:
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/sports/15905803.htm

rams80

11-02-2006, 12:38 AM

I'm sure malepig is going to say this is all the UIF's fault for some reason that I can't fathom.

Malepig

11-02-2006, 01:16 AM

Hey Paul,
I heard about this a couple of days ago when it was going to be official that RC and Golden broke the negotiations. The deal is that Fort Wayne will have a new team name and that Golden will have an af2 team in N.E. Indiana. They were trying to keep the Freedom name but the debt was excessive and it kept coming. Hopefully there can be a way to buy the name only but that is still being looked at.

AllTheRage

11-02-2006, 07:29 AM

IF truth be known, Golden probably decided that having the Freedom name was not worth having to pay the high costs of the debt that Coffey owed. I don't blame him for that.

I think the only reason Coffey was involved to the point that he was was because of the arena lease. Because the arena had made a lot of money off the Freedom in the past, they felt a certain amount of loyalty to Coffey and in turn, this would help him pay off some of the debt in the community which was a win/win for all.

At the end of the day, I believe that the arena will fnally go with the money, assuming they can avoid any legal action from Coffey and Golden will get a team in there, probably with a new name.

There will be indoor football in Ft. Wayne in 2007. It is too good a market to let go doemant.

sportsfan27

11-02-2006, 11:58 AM

I hope Golden can pull this off. Like many owners Golden has sold this idea to the real money guys who will front all this. Regardless of where the money comes from, Golden has been hanging around the scenes of indoor football for a number of years. He had purchased team rights in the NIFL and couldn't find a place to play. HG almost had the Miami situation before Oronde Gadsden and Howard Weiner (AKA HP Patterson) convinced Shiver they were the better choice. He worked with Centurion and convinced them to get involved in the NIFL and then was gone long before the season started and the wheeles fell off that cart. Hs has some big money behind him, but he also has a very checkered past. I actually like him and I hope he can pull this off, but i am very sceptical.

indoorfootballfan

11-02-2006, 12:08 PM

If you guys think that it is a done deal that Golden is going to put an AF2 team in Fort Wayne you are very much mistaken.

sportsfan27

11-07-2006, 08:56 AM

You were saying................

Freedom

11-10-2006, 03:32 PM

You were saying................

He said its not a done deal, and yet another week has gone by and guess what?

It still is not a done deal . . .

We should finally see something soon though, the coliseum board members have the info they need. Who will have the privilage of providing FW with arena / indoor football?

FW is officially on the clock . . . . . . . .

rams80

11-10-2006, 04:05 PM

mrinsideto-u

11-10-2006, 05:17 PM

It doesnt matter, what happened. Truth be told it IS a Done deal and there will be football played in Ft wayne in 07

rams80

11-10-2006, 06:27 PM

It doesnt matter, what happened. Truth be told it IS a Done deal and there will be football played in Ft wayne in 07

I believe it does matter-because what if he doesn't have enough money to continue the entire season, like he obviously didn't with the reality show.

Believe it or not, the goal would be to play football for more than one season, something that's going to be mighty difficult to do if this blows up in everyone's face.

Malepig

11-11-2006, 12:48 PM

It doesnt matter, what happened. Truth be told it IS a Done deal and there will be football played in Ft wayne in 07

100% correct! He qualified and all is great. Anyone disagreeing is doing nothing more than spite and crubaby sore loser antics at this point. Fort Wayne Fusion, welcome to the af2 family.

rams80

11-11-2006, 12:54 PM

100% correct! He qualified and all is great. Anyone disagreeing is doing nothing more than spite and crubaby sore loser antics at this point. Fort Wayne Fusion, welcome to the af2 family.

Weren't you saying the same thing to the people of Anchorage and Jackson awhile back?

phydeaux72

11-11-2006, 01:05 PM

Of course. Anytime a team leaves an indoor league and joins the af2, it's purely business. But when a team decides to join an indoor league over the af2, it's purely out of spite.

Freedom

11-11-2006, 11:28 PM

Coliseum opens its doors to af2

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/15990799.htm

Malepig

11-11-2006, 11:36 PM

Of course. Anytime a team leaves an indoor league and joins the af2, it's purely business. But when a team decides to join an indoor league over the af2, it's purely out of spite.

Nope, Peoria left for business reasons.

rams80

11-11-2006, 11:55 PM

Coliseum opens its doors to af2

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/15990799.htm

I saw one lie in that article-the tv contract.

I wonder if there are any others?

sportsguy12

11-12-2006, 12:23 AM

They ran a story in the paper that the coliseum board approved Golden. All they had to do is cross the T's and dot the I's. So welcome af2 to Fort Wayne.

rams80

05-09-2007, 04:23 PM

I believe it does matter-because what if he doesn't have enough money to continue the entire season, like he obviously didn't with the reality show.

Believe it or not, the goal would be to play football for more than one season, something that's going to be mighty difficult to do if this blows up in everyone's face.

I hate to say I told you so....

but I told you so.

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/Sports/Default.aspx?type=sn&NStoryID=6012

cRUSHer

05-09-2007, 05:22 PM

LMAO :mrgreen:
I knew about it 2 weeks ago.;)

I want to see how the gangsters in the
`deuche' Chicago office put the `fix' on this.:lol:

I wonder who is going to foot the bill for supporting
a team if they don't get a buyer that wants to be fleeced ?:rolleyes: