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WHAFAN
09-28-2006, 09:20 AM
I asked Joe Newman why the new Miami Tropics were playing an entire 36 game season against the same 4 opponents ( W. Palm Beach, Jacksonville, Tampa, and Orlando). Was it because they can't afford a bus trip to Georgia, they can't leave the state due to parole restrictions, or no one else wanted to play them.

His answer was to call me an idiot, a fool, and told me that me being the way I am is why my clocks are round. WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN??? Did Joe have a stroke and didn't tell anyone?

Even having a semi professionally run team in this league is a waste of time. Thats like being the tallest midget.

The team in Chicago, the Rockstars, has absolutely no chance of being a success. They are playing in a church gym in the worst part of the city. The Bulls were barely drawing 6,000 people a game throughout the 70's with some pretty good teams. They were in the NBA for 20 years before Michael Jordan brought life to the franchise. The only successful minor league team in Chicago are the Chicago Wolves of the AHL. They average 12,000 fans a game in a beautiful arena. There has been no tv, radio or newpaper coverage of the ABA or the Rockstars. It doesn't matter if an ABA owner has unlimited funds to support his team. When the league is run by idiots, with teams that can't afford travel, hotels, or paychecks, why do these people continue to dump money into being the next George Steinbrenner?

I guess the leagues holding out hope that hot 20 year old babes dancing at halftime will sustain the fan interest. Every team's website ( if they can afford one ), has more info about dance team try outs than player information. No records are kept, no stats, no attendance figures, every team playing a different amount of games..........yet Uncle Joe insists that the ABA is a conduit for NBA scouts? What records are being noticed? I'm half expecting a Partridge Family bus to roll down the street with ABA teams on board passing around a hat to find donations for a hotel room so they can display their talents in front of a sell out crowd of 45 people at the jr high school gym down the street.

bdaly
09-28-2006, 10:20 AM
The answer is probably to keep travel costs down--that's the main benefit of the ABA. Even getting to Georgia from South Florida is a pretty good hike. The goal of the ABA should be to keep almost all travel via bus. The flaw will be if any of the teams fold. In the NE, there's a good concentration of teams, so shifting the schedule is easy enough. In South Florida, it's a little different.

IMO, the CBA has bigger problems right now. Lots of last second additions, little marketing, and really many of the traits of the weaker ABA sides. The only problem is their travel will be many times more costly. If any of the new CBA teams don't have deep pockets, I could see casualties happening there as quickly as anywhere.

psbf
09-28-2006, 11:53 AM
There are risks involved in everything.
As a fan of one of the teams who just switched, I can tell you that there has been a renewed interest in the Xplosion, since we left the ABA. Fans here are seeing a benefit, which they did not have with the ABA.
Personally, I enjoyed watching the action when the Xplosion were participating. I was also looking forward to being in a new Division and seeing the new rivals. But not everyone around here shared that, which makes me kind of glad that we did switch, although I have to wonder what will become of the Division we were in(just 4 teams). Despite the switch, I still wish the ABA well.

bdaly
09-28-2006, 03:29 PM
It's good to see the CBA's new logo/positioning on Pittsburgh's page. It provides some evidence that the wheels are actually turning in their (the CBA's) main office. Granted, it says something that Pittsburgh beat them to displaying it, but it leads me to at least hope an upcoming website redesign might explain their very stale website that contains old teams.

Pittsburgh also looks like one of the few CBA teams that's really prepared for the upcoming season. They're active with the site and press releases. So, good luck to them with the move--they should be one of the best new teams.

Sam Hill
09-29-2006, 09:25 AM
I asked Joe Newman why the new Miami Tropics were playing an entire 36 game season against the same 4 opponents ( W. Palm Beach, Jacksonville, Tampa, and Orlando). Was it because they can't afford a bus trip to Georgia, they can't leave the state due to parole restrictions, or no one else wanted to play them.

His answer was to call me an idiot, a fool, and told me that me being the way I am is why my clocks are round.

Wait a minute...Joe was rude to someone who questioned him?

G'wan. That can't be true. Not the Joe I know.

:)

psbf
09-29-2006, 09:57 AM
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Pittsburgh looks to be one of the few CBA teams that's really ready for the upcoming season.
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I think we all are, here. I know I am. I've been ready since last season(when we were eliminated by Bellingham).

strongislandsound
10-08-2006, 06:31 PM
Playing the schedule against a limited number of teams can be good or bad. Will it make for some nice rivalries? Or will it make the schedule a bit stale? Maybe a little of each.

Personally, I would rather see a team play more games versus their closest rivals, but have a number of other teams on the schedule for 1 or 2 games. This works if there are a decent amount of teams in the same region, hence the reason why the ABA expands so much. If team A plays team B four times, they should play team C twice, team D once, etc. The problem is when there are not too many teams bunched together, then they have to repeat. A good point brought up was what if one or two of these teams drop out during the course of the season? Makes it a little difficult to complete the schedule, which leads to: add dates a little further away and the team will have to eat some travel costs; or that team has less games on their record. Its no good either way.

The chances of this happening again are pretty good, going by the track record of the previous seasons. Hopefully the problme can be minimized and an answer is found.

TEN
10-11-2006, 09:58 AM
When I was running a team in the USBL we played the other teams in our division four or five times...Despite the fact that we were playing the Cagerz, Storm, etc (the best franchises in the USBL) our attendance for those games was actually down a little bit from the average because our fans got tired of seeing the same teams two or three times in a week.

Playing three opponents all season long will wear out the fans....of course you have to have fans to wear out first...

psbf
10-11-2006, 01:39 PM
It's good to build up rivalries, but there is also the danger of fans getting weary of playing those teams too much, as was mentioned. This is why I feel some Non-Division teams should be added to schedules, to provide fans with a fresh opponent.
The smaller the league is, the fewer choices there are.

nksports
10-11-2006, 01:44 PM
I know the Texas League (baseball) and CHL (hockey) both tried to have very heavy in-division scheduling and it got very bad for both. Rivalry games are good, but when its the same three or four teams over and over, it gets dull. With too many games against a rival, it almost ceases to be a rival game and it becomes just going through the motions.