View Full Version : Shiver Maintains 64 Teams in NIFL in '07
AllTheRage
09-19-2006, 10:33 AM
In the article about the Tri Cities Fever staying in the NIFL, CS reports that there will be 64 teams in the "New" NIFL in 2007. If the league has trouble managing and servicing 22 teams in '06, how do they think they will manage and service 3 times as many teams.
It appears that the NIFL has a slash and burn policy. They go in and grab up a market and if it survives, due mostly to having legitimate owners, then things are great. If it does not survive, then the NIFL moves on, leaving the market in ruin; destroying it for other leagues and most of all, destroying fan confidence in indoor football, in general.
64 teams, you have to be kidding!
phydeaux72
09-19-2006, 11:51 AM
64 teams, you have to be kidding!
I think CS is just using a play on numbers to trick everyone. What she really means is 6-4 teams for 2007. Which translates to "6, or 4, depending on how you look at it."
preeths
09-19-2006, 12:20 PM
In the article about the Tri Cities Fever staying in the NIFL, CS reports that there will be 64 teams in the "New" NIFL in 2007. If the league has trouble managing and servicing 22 teams in '06, how do they think they will manage and service 3 times as many teams.
It appears that the NIFL has a slash and burn policy. They go in and grab up a market and if it survives, due mostly to having legitimate owners, then things are great. If it does not survive, then the NIFL moves on, leaving the market in ruin; destroying it for other leagues and most of all, destroying fan confidence in indoor football, in general.
64 teams, you have to be kidding!
AllTheRage, you have to wonder what the plan is. It is truly amazing that 64 teams would even be a stated goal after last season's expansion debacle. The NIFL had 12 new teams last year. Out of those 12 ownership groups that began the season, eight of them (Big Sky, Dayton, Arkansas, Florida, Rapid City, Tennessee, Twin City and Palm Beach) could not last the season, and three of the remaining four have left the NIFL (Charleston, Osceola and Katy). It looks as if Greensboro is the only new ownership group from a dozen last season that will make it to year two. Tell me how the league will find nearly five dozen competent, qualified ownership groups this offseason. It sure won't be because of all the positive media attention it received in 2006.
preeths
09-19-2006, 12:21 PM
BTW, I posted this in another thread but if Cleveland Gary is the new face of the league, why is Carolyn Shiver answering questions about expansion and the Fever situation? Is there any doubt about who is still running things?
mrcool92501
09-19-2006, 12:46 PM
ponders if she and joe newman r related???
:cool:
preeths
09-19-2006, 12:52 PM
ponders if she and joe newman r related???
:cool:
Hmmm, has anyone seen them in the same room together?
mrcool92501
09-19-2006, 12:58 PM
we need to call agent mulder and scully to do an inquiry on this
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!
brikhaus
09-19-2006, 01:38 PM
Isn't the NAIFL stating that they will have 64 teams eventually? Could this be a possible merger between the leagues? Just guessing.
preeths
09-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Isn't the NAIFL stating that they will have 64 teams eventually? Could this be a possible merger between the leagues? Just guessing.
This is an interesting theory and quite possibly a disastrous plan of attack. Semi-pro teams are generally semi-pro for a reason: they don't have the money to be pro. Now, there are exceptions, such as Mink and Morris in Tampa, but by and large, these are cash poor organizations. That's nothing against the players, who often play only for the love of the game and pay to do so, but these teams do not have great organizational resources.
Take those cash-strapped teams and add on arena rent, which is going to be far more than the high school fields many semi-pro teams use, and insurance, which most arenas will require, and most semipro teams simply cannot pull this off. As impossible as it might seem, the NIFL may actually take a step backward in terms of overall quality of ownership if they go the NAIFL route.
This past season we also saw how semi-pro players compared to paid indoor players. In every instance, the semi-pro teams got walloped, often by record-breaking scores. That shows the NIFL would take several steps back in terms of on-the-field quality by using semi-pros. Let's hope this isn't the real plan.
sportznut
09-19-2006, 04:29 PM
I dont know.. Montgomery's semi pro players were actually better then the Indoor Montgomery team
Reichert
09-19-2006, 04:46 PM
I dont know.. Montgomery's semi pro players were actually better then the Indoor Montgomery team
That would be one case out of 10 or so where that happened. All you need to know about semipro players is this:
Katy 132, West Palm Beach 3
Freedom
09-19-2006, 04:52 PM
I dont know.. Montgomery's semi pro players were actually better then the Indoor Montgomery team
That could be due to the semi pro players playing for the love of the game, versus the other guys still wondering why they played at all. . . lol
Sykotyk
09-19-2006, 07:55 PM
First Florida, now 64 teams... Was she involved in some time of accident and suffered some brain trauma?
The longer the NIFL lasts, the weirder it gets. I'm waiting for the day when CS makes her goal to be 100 teams, and only ten will be on Earth. Somehow she'd claim 90 martian cities have teams, but due to travel expenses, they won't play in an interplanetary championship.
Just wait, it'll happen.
Any day now...
Sykotyk
preeths
09-19-2006, 09:59 PM
I dont know.. Montgomery's semi pro players were actually better then the Indoor Montgomery team
No, that's not true. The real Maulers before the replacements did not lose a game by more than 37 points and were at least somewhat competitive. The semi-pro team lost by 60, 72-12, and Osceola really pulled up at the end to keep it at that margin. The real Maulers took over again after they were paid, maybe with some roster changes, but it wasn't the semi-pro team that lost by five dozen.
sportznut
09-19-2006, 10:55 PM
Preeths... I was at the Katy/ Montgomery game... That was the real team that got Hammered by Katy.... The team that played Beaumont had SOME of the indoor players but that team had alot of the outdoor guys
preeths
09-20-2006, 08:03 AM
Sportznut, I know. Katy beat Montgomery 56-20 in week four, a 36-point spread, one less than in their 44-7 opening game loss to Fayetteville. The Katy game was the weekend before the entire mess unfolded in Montgomery. The following week, the Tampa Bay replacements filled in for the Maulers at Osceola and were pounded, 72-12, the team's biggest loss of the season. I was addressing the contention the semi-pros were better than the real Maulers. They weren't. They played the team's worst loss of the season.
sportznut
09-20-2006, 10:10 PM
alrighty.... i agree.. as a whole, the replacement semi pro teams SUCKED!
JackDiesel
09-21-2006, 08:34 AM
Over 2/3 of Greensboro team consisted of Semi-Pro players from the Carolina Heat who now are undefeat in outdoor ball. The Revolution may not have had a winning record but they didn't get hammered by their opponents.
preeths
09-21-2006, 10:14 AM
But here again you probably had the worst NIFL team that lasted the entire season. The fact that they're undefeated now outdoors shows the tremendous disparity between pro indoor players and outdoor semi-pros.
AllTheRage
09-21-2006, 01:14 PM
I agree with Paul. I didn't notice Greensboro making the playoffs.
There is a big difference in the level of players in semi-pro and indoor football. For the most part, the indoor leagues have skimmed off all the better semi-pro players becasue they are able to be paid (usually) and those that are left playing semi-pro are not as polished players.
Semi-pro 20 years ago was pretty good football, but since the indoor leagues have evolved, semi-pro football has dropped off.
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