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LW27
02-26-2004, 04:28 AM
Topeka has open net for shot at hockey team

By Kurt Caywood
The Capital-Journal

Topeka is so close to having a hockey team that Kansas Expocentre officials are looking for people who want to buy tickets.

A lease agreement that would make the Expocentre home to a Central Hockey League franchise beginning next season is possible within a week, said H.R. Cook, the facility's general manager.

A deal is so imminent that associates of prospective owner Horn Chen have asked Cook to find season-ticket holders and sponsors of the city's two previous hockey franchises. The search is necessary, Cook said, because the final owners of the Topeka ScareCrows took the team's records when they moved the team to the St. Louis area.

Lester Rosen, attorney for Chicago financier Horn Chen, has had the Expocentre's lease proposal for two weeks but has yet to discuss it with Chen, who has been traveling.

"He should be back next week," Rosen said, "so I'm assuming next week we'll sit down and figure out where he wants to go."

It already was clear that Chen wanted to return hockey to Topeka. Now it appears that a breakdown in negotiations between Chen's Wichita team, the Thunder, and Sedgwick County, its landlord at the Kansas Coliseum, has paved the way.

On Tuesday, Sedgwick County officials informed Thunder general manager David Holt that Coliseum renovations would force the team out of the building for the entire 2005-06 season. Holt said he would not enter a lease for next season without a viable option for the following year.

The most likely option now seems to be for Chen to shut down his team in Wichita and move it to Topeka.

"We wanted (Topeka) to be its own entity to give us another rival," Holt said, "but it doesn't look like that's going to happen."

Cook said he was working to bring Chen and his group to Topeka next week to finalize negotiations and that, in a best-case scenario, an agreement could go before the Shawnee County Commission at its March 8 meeting.

"Right now," Cook said, "it's a matter of getting all the officials together so that they're comfortable with each other."

Bill
04-01-2004, 12:30 AM
Well after several weeks of the Kansas Coliseum forgetting that less profit is better than NO profit it looks like they have revised their stance in negotiations with the Thunder...

Still no idea what is going to happen when the KC is being renovated in 2005 :?:

What I don't understand is why they can't do the work in stages and keep the place open...

We can also thank big brother (US Govt) for some of this problem... Their rules concerning the Americans with Disabilities Act seems a little ridiculous when you see several of those unfortunate people AT the game with their wheelchairs... Is it like the handicap spaces that there are always about 3 times as many as are ever filled in the parking lot????

I don't want to come off sounding like an unfeeling jerk here... But geez..

Football Chick
04-04-2004, 11:49 PM
So Topeka gets stuck with no hockey team again????

George
04-06-2004, 02:32 PM
I remember how successful the Topeka Scarecrows were in their one-year shot with the CHL. Swapping for Topeka... uh, uh.

LW27
04-07-2004, 12:23 AM
What? You need to get your facts straight George. The ScareCrows were in the CHL for three seasons and were quite successful. Ownership failed Topeka. Topeka did not fail the CHL. When it (CHL) returns this fall it'll be bigger than ever before. You can count on it!

My sources are telling me that the Thunder will stay in Wichita and Topeka will get an expansion team or another existing team that will relocate. There are some things going on behind the scenes that will come out after the CHL playoffs conclude.

George
04-07-2004, 09:45 AM
LW 27, you are of course right about the number of years. But the story of bad ownership/management is a common one in minor league hockey. I can't count the number of teams that saw fantasic fan bases dwindle to nothing because of bad management. I believe that solid management can make a team work in a city that embraces the sport. But what happens all too often is that management turns off all but the most dedicated fan, and the result is a team that can't make it financially. And once a fan base is gone, it's very difficult to rebuild it. But it certainly can be done, and if you get solid ownership and dedicated management that merges the team with the community, then the prescription for a successful franchise is there. And if you get that, Topeka will make a good re-emergence in the CHL, which right now looks to be the most successful of the five AA leagues.

My focus is more on the ECHL, SEHL and WHA2 because of my location. And if you look at their numbers, you'll see too many teams below the 3,000 line, and a franchise can only succeed if the number of paying customers is above 3,500 to 4,000.

Actually, a few years ago I went to a few CHL games and saw the Scarecrows and Thunder, as well as Indy and OC. In fact, some former players for my team here were or are in the CHL. I think CHL hockey is exciting and I hope that fans like you will really make the Scarecrows go. (By the way, I think the name is a great one, right from the Wizard ofOa

Bill
04-07-2004, 11:48 PM
In response to Football Chick...

I don't think Topeka will get stuck with no hockey...
I want Topeka to get CHL hockey..

I am under the impression that the man who owns the Thunder and the Indianapolis Ice has the desire to get the Indianapolis area a AAA minor league hockey team and move the Ice to another city..

My hope is that Indy moves to Topeka, The Thunder stay in Wichita... And either I win the lottery or somebody gets a CHL team in Kansas City..

Would a Kansas City - Topeka - Wichita bermuda triangle of CHL hockey be cool or what???

Bill
04-07-2004, 11:49 PM
In response to Football Chick...

I don't think Topeka will get stuck with no hockey...
I want Topeka to get CHL hockey..

I am under the impression that the man who owns the Thunder and the Indianapolis Ice has the desire to get the Indianapolis area a AAA minor league hockey team and move the Ice to another city..

My hope is that Indy moves to Topeka, The Thunder stay in Wichita... And either I win the lottery or somebody gets a CHL team in Kansas City..

Would a Kansas City - Topeka - Wichita bermuda triangle of CHL hockey be cool or what???