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BarbaraPatterson
07-25-2006, 10:51 AM
http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=298220&Category=17&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0

Sunday, July 23, 2006 SUNDAY SPECIAL BY TODD PORTER

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As lawsuits go, American Indoor Football League President Andrew Haines doesn’t seemed too concerned about a recent $435,000 judgment against the league. Is that just a care-free attitude, or does Haines have legitimate reasoning behind him?

Former Asheville, N.C. owner Robert Boyd sued the AIFL after his team folded. The AIFL never answered allegations in the suit, and a default judgment was awarded to Boyd. Haines said the suit was filed at a busy time.

“We’re in the process of filing an appeal,” Haines said.

There is a problem with that.

Default judgments can’t be appealed. The AIFL must first get the judgment vacated, and to do so, it has to prove there were convincing reasons why the league never appeared in Pennsylvania court. There is plenty of room for legal wrangling in our system, but based on some of the reasons Haines gave, getting the judgment vacated won’t be easy.

“Our attorney (Seth Arkow) doesn’t seem too concerned,” Haines said. “I let him handle the legal issues. The bottom line is he’s very confident it will get dismissed.”

Haines said the league hired a Pennsylvania attorney, because Arkow is not licensed to practice there. Haines also said the Pennsylvania attorney was on vacation when the suit was filed. The AIFL had 30 days to answer the lawsuit. A message left for Arkow wasn’t returned.

A settlement could be reached, but Boyd is bargaining from a position of power. There is a $435,000 judgment on his side.

“We could come to some settlement just to make it go away,” Haines said. “We offered the guy $50,000 to buy his team back and save it. He wouldn’t do it. There is only so much we’re willing do.”

According to the suit, Boyd’s original investment was $37,000 in cash. The judgment for $435,000 is treble damages, meaning it was for $145,000, and the court tripled it.

“(Boyd) can point the finger all he wants at the league,” Haines said. “But the league wasn’t working day-to-day for the team and making daily decisions. One of the big issues is an allegation that the general manager embezzled money. We did hire the guy, but whenever a new owner comes in, he interviews or meets with the employees. I know they talked and met, but at some point, you have to take some responsibility as an owner.”

The judgment will hamper Haines’ ability to sell the league. He had an agreement in place with Greens Worldwide, a publicly traded sports marketing firm, to sell the AIFL for $1.1 million. It was $1 million in stock and $100,000 in cash. Greens issued a press release that stated the AIFL’s lack of documentation regarding Boyd’s lawsuit was the reason it pulled the plug.

Haines said that wasn’t the case. Greens wanted to turn over the AIFL staff.

“I told them I couldn’t sell it and have our employees lose their jobs,” Haines said. “My mom works for the league. It’s not fair to our employees for me to make a quick buck.”

NEW INVESTORS?

Haines said the AIFL would be in a position to announce two new investors. He declined to name them.

“That’s another reason I didn’t sell to Greens,” Haines said. “The lawsuit doesn’t mean much. It could potentially restrict me from selling the league, but with some of the things in the works now, we don’t want to sell.”

LEGENDS FILM COMMERCIAL

Several members of the AIFL champion Canton Legends filmed a McDonald’s commercial earlier this month. Players can be seen in an upcoming commercial featuring Cleveland Browns’ center LeCharles Bentley that was filmed at Westlake High School. The commercials will air all over Ohio.

Legends players who can be seen in both the commercial are Thomas Matthews, Harlen Jacobs, Larry Kinnard, Rashan Hall, Eddie Robinson and Tim Smith.

SOUTHERN AIFL LEAVING?

We’re told to expect an announcement soon about most of the teams in the AIFL’s Southern Conference leaving.

“There are a few teams if they don’t make good with the league we’re going to suspend operations for a year,” Haines said. “It’s hard to keep 16 teams happy when you’re dealing with people with these kinds of egos. We don’t want to lose any teams, but we recognize it happens in every business.”

preeths
07-25-2006, 12:08 PM
Wow, you absolutely have to answer allegations when you're given a court date. One has to wonder what else the AIFL had going on that was more important than a case that could cost them nearly half a million dollars.

sportsmgrjay
07-25-2006, 02:06 PM
Hey give him a break, at least he didnt hire someone who WASNT qualified.

sportsmgrjay
07-25-2006, 02:10 PM
Can the owner that is owed the money get an injuction the stop the league from playing now that he has a judgment in his favor?

preeths
07-25-2006, 02:35 PM
I would doubt that as it is an extreme measure. Instead, he may eventually be able to garnish income or wages or force a sale of assets to cover the judgment.

Bandito
07-26-2006, 09:09 AM
1. if someone is awarded a half mill judgement against you, you don't sit back and let it happen. "What? Me Worry?" is Andrew Haines or Alfred E. Newman running the league?
2. "Haines said that wasn’t the case. Greens wanted to turn over the AIFL staff." is B.S.! Greens backed out of the deal. Haines didn't cancel it.

Andrew must be reading the Jim Terry book on how to screw up everything. Andrew and Jim have one thing in common. They both think they can do anything better than someone else.

nksports
07-26-2006, 07:44 PM
Of course he's not worried. He and the league probably have no assets (outside of maybe office equipment) and no money (or it just all may be hidden). There's nothing he could pay anyone. Sort of the NIFL thing against the Intense league.

As it once said in "Bloom County's" rules of suining:

"Never sue the poor"

The league owners are separate entities and probably can't be held to any judgement against the league or Haines.

kyhero
07-26-2006, 11:01 PM
"My mom works for the league" unreal...........

Does he really think that we believe all that bull about caring about the employees of the league? What is there 4 full time employees? And two of them are: 1. Leah Haines his wife, and 2. his mom, 3. is himself, and 4. is Tufford who for the record I think is the only one of the bunch with any guts at all. Best of luck to him in his future endeavors!

You can't hardly fight a law suit when you just decide to not show up! That is the most unbelievable thing that I have ever heard.

sportsmgrjay
07-27-2006, 12:46 AM
If boyd is smart like i think he is he will sit back and have the sheriffs office grab league dues as they come in, that i know he can have done. HERE COMES THE WIFL AND IT'S ABOUT TIME

BarbaraPatterson
07-27-2006, 01:05 AM
If boyd is smart like i think he is he will sit back and have the sheriffs office grab league dues as they come in, that i know he can have done. HERE COMES THE WIFL AND IT'S ABOUT TIME
The problem with that is it will most likely shut down the AIFL, meaning no more revenue. From what I've heard Boyd would rather just sell the team and get on with his day to day life. He was quoted in the Canton rep newspaper that the lawsuit wasnt just about the money, he just wants what he paid for, make me wonder if he would have just settled for getting what he paid for at one point.

No one goes into a lawsuit like this lightly. Lawyers fees have to be in the tens of thousands. Now the lawsuit is being sited as reasons for the league not selling, the south pulling out and probably more to come.

Someone told me that Boyd and Kolaczkowski was being seriously badmouthed most of the day from the staff at the AIFL. If he's not worried, he should be with the loss of 7 teams this week.

Good thing the AIFL boards are down..

sportsmgrjay
07-27-2006, 08:11 PM
What staff????????? His mom, seems they are jumping ship as we speak.

banannaman
07-27-2006, 10:54 PM
This guy and league is a disgrace, lawsuits and whatever against him. How can you do all the wrong that this guy does and not get punished for it. Scamming people can only last so long, why is this allowed. Good luck getting the half of millon, this guy cant afford a pot to piss in.

kyhero
07-29-2006, 03:18 PM
They don't call Andy "Slick Willy" throughout the league for nothing. He will find some other suckers somewhere.

sportsmgrjay
07-29-2006, 11:44 PM
WORD HAS IT FROM A VERY GOOD SOURCE IS THAT THE AIFL WILL BE SHUT DOWN DUE TO HAINES NOT HAVING THE MONEY TO PAY THE 435,000.00 Sorry bout your luck, now what does tallahasse and the rest of the few teams left do? I'll give anyone 10 to 1 AIFL does NOT play. Any taker's?

gonzo13
07-30-2006, 01:11 AM
Who's the source?

BarbaraPatterson
07-30-2006, 01:57 AM
WORD HAS IT FROM A VERY GOOD SOURCE IS THAT THE AIFL WILL BE SHUT DOWN DUE TO HAINES NOT HAVING THE MONEY TO PAY THE 435,000.00 Sorry bout your luck, now what does tallahasse and the rest of the few teams left do? I'll give anyone 10 to 1 AIFL does NOT play. Any taker's?
Shutting down the AIFL would not do Boyd any good and make the judgment worthless. The AIFL very easily could, if they wanted to, negotiate the debt and pay it with the sales of a team or two or even make payments.

I know Boyd talked to a reporter from Ohio and told him that he would much rather settle the whole thing http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=296989&Category=17&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0. The AIFL also stated in the Cantonrep.com that they would also settle http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=298220&Category=17&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0

I think peoples ego and pride is getting in the way of business here because the more this continues, the more likely the AIFL will be out of business.

The Man, The Myth
07-30-2006, 09:49 AM
I found it somewhat curious that while his indoor league was falling apart around him, AH was becoming the owner of another venture (Average Joe's Gyms). Now, he loses 7 teams, his right hand man leaves, tries to sell the league (but can't due to ...), has a judgement against the league, has never paid the bills, etc.

Looks to me like the writing is on the wall and Tufford leaving was a major sign of impending doom. It would not surprise me in the least if Canton, Erie, Reading, etc get rewarded for their loyalty by not having a league to play in.

BarbaraPatterson
07-30-2006, 11:03 AM
I found it somewhat curious that while his indoor league was falling apart around him, AH was becoming the owner of another venture (Average Joe's Gyms). Now, he loses 7 teams, his right hand man leaves, tries to sell the league (but can't due to ...), has a judgement against the league, has never paid the bills, etc.

Looks to me like the writing is on the wall and Tufford leaving was a major sign of impending doom. It would not surprise me in the least if Canton, Erie, Reading, etc get rewarded for their loyalty by not having a league to play in.
I wonder how much the league falling apart is because haines was becoming involved in other ventures. I've asked before and I'll ask again, where did all the sales money and franchising fees go? Haines told a reporter the AIFL brought over $1,000,000 in this year.

The Man, The Myth
07-30-2006, 11:41 AM
I wonder how much the league falling apart is because haines was becoming involved in other ventures. I've asked before and I'll ask again, where did all the sales money and franchising fees go?

Good question. Especially when it only takes $80k to run a team for a season ... allegedly.

Red Zone
07-30-2006, 01:46 PM
These are all good questions. It would be nice to see an investigative news reporter check into this more and write a story on it.

Tatonka
07-30-2006, 07:12 PM
These are all good questions. It would be nice to see an investigative news reporter check into this more and write a story on it.

What do you call this article that was posted to start this thread, and some of the others published recently. They're catching on, give them time.

Red Zone
07-31-2006, 06:32 AM
I really wouldn't call that story an investigative report. It was more like doing a little homework and reporting what you could find. It didn't take much digging to get that together. Investigative reporting requires a lot more digging than that. Maybe that was just a preview of what's to come.